Jason Campbell is Out For the Year, and With The Raiders in Playoff Contention, They May Look to Trade for Carson Palmer
Jason Campbell scrambled up the middle yesterday, and when he hit the ground, he broke his collarbone. Oakland went on to win the game, moving to 4-2 in the AFC, one-half game behind the Chargers in the AFC West, and tied with the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Buffalo for the final playoff spot at the moment. Now, though, they turn to Kyle Boller, at least temporarily.
Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports writes that the Raiders are pushing hard for “retired”-disgruntled Carson Palmer in a trade with the Bengals. A few problems stand in the way of such a move. First, Mike Brown. As Cole says, “Brown has never been a guy to give in to demands, even when they are logical.” Add in that the Bengals are one of the contenders in the AFC for a playoff spot at 4-2 also, and a trade that would strengthen the Raiders would lower their chances. So, even if logic and avoiding emotional decisions such as punishing Palmer at the expense of adding value to the team isn’t Mike Brown’s strong suit, in this case a trade does not make sense for Cincinnati unless it gets superb value.
The other problem: the Raiders do not have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick in next year’s draft, so they may not have the trade value necessary to make the move. Do they really want to part with next year’s first also? I don’t see Cincinnati being swayed by a future mid-round pick delayed for a few years, particularly when they aren’t inclined to trade him anyway.
If they don’t make a trade for Palmer, then the options are stick with Boller, or sign someone who comes free of charge, like David Garrard (where there are questions about how committed he is to continue to play) or–gulp–Brett Favre.
Let’s try to assess the decisions facing the Raiders. Here’s the research on what a starting quarterback is worth. Jason Campbell is the very definition of a league average starting quarterback at this point. His yards per attempt is 7.2, similar to the last several years, and his league adjusted numbers are pretty much right at average. Of course, an average starting quarterback is a good thing when the alternative is below replacement level starter.
Kyle Boller is almost perfectly the definition of a sub-replacement level starter or backup. He’s 30, hasn’t played much in recent years, but his career numbers suggest he’s going to be a dropoff across the board. The Raiders aren’t going to fall apart–Darren McFadden is still the key to the offense, and they’ve still got playmakers at the receiver positions who can be used in other ways such as reverses–but the team’s offense will be worse off. That research would suggest you can expect somewhere around one less win over the course of a season.
The problem for Oakland, though, is that any drop in average win expectancy has dramatic effect on the playoff chances for a team currently projected to win between 9 and 10 games with Jason Campbell. They are right at the cusp; before this week’s win, they were 57.7% to make the playoffs according to Football Outsiders, and 50% according to Advanced NFL Stats, with average win projections in the 9.5 range. Those odds would go up slightly after the Cleveland result, though it wasn’t unexpected and the likelihood already accounted for.
Teams that win 10 games usually make the playoffs. Teams that win 9 games can, often at the whim of tiebreakers, and teams that win 8, they rarely do unless in a weak division or a down conference. Even if we drop the Raiders down by 1 win on the average win projection, that lowers their chances of making the playoffs by 25-30%.
So Oakland must decide if Carson Palmer is worth staving off most of that playoff likelihood drop for one season, or whether someone else out there that can be had for free is worth the upgrade over Boller given the lack of familiarity and practice with the team.
[photo via Getty]

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October 17th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
I hear McNabb could be had.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:56 AM
They don’t need to break the bank to get the guy, so I don’t see a Palmer trade happening. As stated above, Campbell isn’t that great so a replacement shouldn’t be hard if you are just looking for an average QB
October 17th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
That is one hell of a strategy.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
It goes both ways though. It’s not logical to punish Palmer instead of trading him, but it’s also not logical to trade him to a wildcard contender who’s fighting for your spot.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Vikings better be playing Ponder the rest of the way, he looked good enough last night. That implies I was watching that shitshow in the 4th, sadly I was.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Deanne Favre calls fellatio, nibble-Brett Favre.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:58 AM
Why not Orton?
October 17th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
like David Garrard (where there are questions about how committed he is to continue to play)
i was under the impression, based on what I read, that he only wanted to get signed to a longer term deal, with some upfront $$$. Not that he didn’t want to play, but that he didn’t want to sign a one year, backup deal.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
as a Jets fan, I’d love for them to try and win with Kyle Boller.
Broncos and Raiders hate each other. Inner-division trade? can’t see it happening. never want to help your rival
October 17th, 2011 at 10:00 AM
I wanna see what Ponder can do with AP behind him and the game not out of reach. He should have been in there last week even if it was to just run the clock out.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:00 AM
Broncos and Raiders hate each other.
a lot. But that was mostly Al Davis.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:02 AM
Call Indianapolis and ask for Kerry Collins. Much cheaper than Palmer. Not like Indy can’t go out and find a back-up on the scrapheap for Painter. Their season is lost already. As you say, the Bengals isn’t.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
If I am the Bengals I ask for a future 2nd or 3rd and also throw in one of the Raiders young receivers.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
The Packers game comes at a perfect time if they still insist on starting McNabb. A sure blowout means he HAS to be done for good.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
fuck David Garrard. Nobody should sign him so he realizes he acted like a total doucheclown this year.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:04 AM
Why not Orton?
same division. no way.
this smells of jeff garcia.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:04 AM
Who is running the Raiders now? I feel like the other 30 teams should have to approve any trade they make. Like a fantasy football league.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Trade for Grossman.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Mark Davis and Amy Trask
October 17th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
fuck David Garrard. Nobody should sign him so he realizes he acted like a total doucheclown this year.
by getting cut 5 days before the season started?
October 17th, 2011 at 10:06 AM
What a prick.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:07 AM
thank God that Cardinals game was on, I only sparingly watched the Vikings game. I swear though one of the times I turned it over and the Vikings weren’t dropping passes that hit their hands I heard one of the announcers talking about McNabb getting boo’d at home for throwing passes into the ground. this was as he was throwing a pass 3′ short.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:08 AM
I think this would happen if Al was still alive. Is his son as batshit crazy as the Count was?
October 17th, 2011 at 10:08 AM
Catching a football on a bounce pass can be tricky.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:09 AM
no one yet has mentioned that palmer sucks
October 17th, 2011 at 10:09 AM
No..for how he has balked at any offer from non-contending teams. He thinks he should be a starter on a playoff contender and refuses to take just any job. If he really wanted to play, he would have signed with a team by now.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:10 AM
yysa, berrian is a waste of space. he almost had his 3rd catch of the year
October 17th, 2011 at 10:10 AM
I only turned it on when I got a text saying Ponder was in. It’s amazing to see a QB in a Vikings uniform actually step up in the pocket *gasp* and actually move around quickly while still looking downfield. He desperately needs a big playmaking Dez-Bryant-style wideout though. Justin Blackmon?
October 17th, 2011 at 10:12 AM
as much as i hate favre coverage, i’d rather him than palmer. iirc, he’s only a notch above mccnabb
October 17th, 2011 at 10:12 AM
No..for how he has balked at any offer from non-contending teams. He thinks he should be a starter on a playoff contender and refuses to take just any job. If he really wanted to play, he would have signed with a team by now.
who didn’t he sign with? Who did he balk at?
October 17th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
Nah, he’s too short.
/TBL
October 17th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
Ha. What happened to that idiot. Oh on second thought he is right on pace for last years stats.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:14 AM
I think that is the part I saw. he moved around pretty well and was running for first downs, looked pretty good really. I would be ok with Blackmon or Alshon Jeffery really.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:15 AM
They are going to have to keep scoreboard watching the Rams games.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Trade for Grossman.
*sheds tear*
that’s my quarterback, man.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Stafford for a 2nd round pick.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:19 AM
I would be ok with Blackmon or Alshon Jeffery really.
Alshon is who you want, not Blackmon.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:20 AM
I’d rather stay away from South Carolina wideouts for a while.
/Troy Williamson
October 17th, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Has Shanny made a decision on if he is starting next week?
October 17th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
oohh, good call, forgot about that.
/but he is SO fast.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
McNabb was 19-24, 7.37 YPA and no picks yesterday. What a disaster.
If you think Ponder is going to make that team more enjoyable to watch you are in for (more) disappointment.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
i was able t avoid the whole nyquil thing with whatever we have at home on our PC/laptop, but i was just blasted by superfan up there.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:25 AM
sportsdork and his undying mcnabb love is so adorable
October 17th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
He’s at best a league average QB this year, but there’s only so much I can take.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
3 and out, 3 and out, safety. Thats all I know about his performance because I chose to change the channel after that.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:31 AM
I had a good laugh at the safety, but both of those 3rd down throws were drops. So, you know, something Ponder will obviously come right in a fix up.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:31 AM
Has Shanny made a decision on if he is starting next week?
not until Wednesday.
/team Grossman
October 17th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Oh I agree with you. I wouldn’t bring Ponder in. I would let McNabb take all these lumps.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
@sportsdork
It’s not that we think Ponder will win more games, it more that we want to see what he can do before we draft next year. Vikes will have a nice set of picks and if you know that your QB position is set, it’s easier to go after the other needed positions. Keeping Mcnabb in there right now doesn’t do anyone any good.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
Keeping Mcnabb in there right now doesn’t do anyone any good.
I wouldn’t go that far. Watching the Vikings fail always brings a smile to my face.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
Starting Ponder against Greenbay is probably not the best approach.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
@pkiguy – I can at least understand that sentiment. But I always thought Ponder was considered a player that under no circumstances was going to be ready in year one. At some point you give the kid a shot, but if the plan all along was not to play him year one, playing him to quiet the boos and cover up lots of other issues is not good for the org.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Starting Ponder against Greenbay is probably not the best approach.
Massacre.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
God he looked like buttfuck yesterday, but I think he should be given the opportunity to redeem himself against the “Cam Newtons” next week.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:38 AM
If Brown was punishing Palmer by not trading him, why let him go to a playoff contender in his home state? No way this happens.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
I can appreciate you staying true.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Charlie Batch?
October 17th, 2011 at 10:42 AM
/team Grossman
I can appreciate you staying true.
i didn’t think the skins were better than the iggles to begin with, but it still hurt yesterday. the phantom ruffing the passer call on vick after the botched snap killed the redskins.
and losing two o-lineman, combined with being down early, contributed to grossman’s awful performance.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Andy Dalton hasn’t even been particularly good this year, but he’s been better than Palmer last year. Clearly his shoulder was fucked last season, so kudos to him for playing through it, but his useful life as a QB is over.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:51 AM
his useful life as a QB is over
thank you rusty. finally someone typed it
October 17th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports writes that the Raiders are pushing hard for “retired”-disgruntled Carson Palmer
Problem is, Palmer’s been spending his holdout hanging with JaCarcass Bustall, sippin’ Purple Drank and counting their money.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
I love how this same Ponder I remember watching play at Florida State has all of a sudden become this hot shot QB prospect in the NFL. I also loved the irony of Ponder doing the things in his brief appearance that McNabb tried to run away from over the past few years.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
I really think that, in addition to seeing Jason Campbell’s season end yesterday, we also saw the Saints’ season end. With that defense, a growing ineptitude on offense and their remaining schedule, an 8-8 finish is a distinct possibility.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:58 AM
There is nothing rational about being a Vikings fan. If there were, there probably wouldn’t be very many of them.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
darrel, what’s harder to scout….a guy with all the physical tools but mediocre play at the highest ncaa level (ponder), or a guy like flacco, who played against crap competition? i know flacco isn’t great, but he has his moments and many would take him over half the other starting qbs right now
October 17th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
JaCarcass Bustall,
fun
October 17th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
I think you have to project a lot more on the QB’s from the lower levels, but that’s what the Senior Bowls and combine are for.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
It’s not that we think Ponder will win more games, it more that we want to see what he can do before we draft next year. Vikes will have a nice set of picks and if you know that your QB position is set, it’s easier to go after the other needed positions. Keeping Mcnabb in there right now doesn’t do anyone any good.
Name one team ever that made a decision to move on from their first round pick QB after the rookie year, based on how they played.