Victor Cruz’ Non-Fumble Ruling Saved the Giants, But It Was a Very Broad Interpretation of the Rule
The end of the Giants-Cardinals game yesterday featured some controversy. With the Giants trailing the Cardinals by 3 points with just over 3 minutes remaining, Victor Cruz of the Giants caught a pass, fell to the ground without being touched by a defender, then got up and let the ball go. Arizona recovered, but the officials ruled that Cruz had given himself up and the play was dead, and further, that Arizona could not challenge that determination. On the very next play, the stunned Cardinals gave up the winning touchdown pass from Eli Manning to Hakeem Nicks.
Let’s go through the Rule Book and this play. The relevant section is Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1(e). It states, “An official shall declare dead ball and the down ended when a runner . . . declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance.”
Now, I’ll first note that this is different than the feet first sliding rule, which is explicitly spelled out in Article 1(d). Therefore, a player does not have to give himself up only by sliding feet first, or this rule would be superfluous. A player absolutely can go to the ground head first like Cruz did, and be determined to be down and the play ended. The exact action Cruz took could (not should, but could) be determined to constitute “declaring himself down by falling to the ground and making no effort to advance”.
However, my problem with the official’s ruling is that the “making no effort to advance” should be enforced strictly, as in literally the player should lay on the ground until the whistle is blown. Further, the whistle should actually be blown before the player relinquishes possession. The player doesn’t determine when they gave themselves up by getting up and dropping the ball before a whistle. Such a ruling opens a can of worms, as we’ve seen many players get up after mistakenly thinking they were downed by contact or the play was over, and drop the ball or spike it.
I’ve watched the play over and over, and I cannot determine when the whistle first blew and in fact never hear it on the TV feed. However, based on the reaction of the players (you can see the two closest Cardinal defender go to tackle Cruz when he gets up) it highly suggests that no whistle blew and the players thought Cruz was still live and reacting to him still being in play, realizing he had not been touched down. If a whistle had blown, then they committed a potential infraction for a late or unnecessary hit. If it hadn’t blown, I don’t see how an official can rule a player already without possession of the football to have satisfied Rule 7.2.1.d. And if they used his act of relinquishing the football as the basis for determining his intent, then that’s not right. Rising to your feet is an ambiguous act (the defenders can’t trust that he won’t then try to advance) and certainly can’t constitute “making no effort to advance.”
As far as whether the play could be reviewed, the rule book does not specifically mention this type of play (official ruling player to declare himself down) as either a reviewable or non-reviewable play, though it was treated similar to a forward progress ruling. However, in those cases, whether the fumble occurred before forward progress was ruled to be stopped by whistle is reviewable. You just can’t challenge whether the determination of forward progress being stopped was accurate, and whether forward progress was in fact stopped before the whistle blew, or whether the point of forward progress was accurate if not affecting a touchdown or first down.
I think the officials screwed up, and the Cardinals should have been able to challenge whether the player had already lost possession before the whistle was blown, similar to challenging whether a fumble had already occurred before a whistle for forward progress. Like I said, though, I couldn’t ever determine if they did blow the whistle, so it may have been an unsuccessful challenge if there was no evidence. More to the point going forward, for consistency’s sake, a player should have to remain on the ground motionless until the official blows the whistle to take advantage of Rule 7.2.1.d.
And in truth, I don’t think there’s any way Victor Cruz actually intended to go to the ground with the express purpose to give himself up to end the play. I think he, like others before him, just mistakenly thought the play was over once he did go to the ground. In fact, he said “I thought I was touched.”
[photo via Getty]

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October 3rd, 2011 at 10:36 AM
also..fuck the refs for blowing the call in the Bills-Bengals game.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Someone is DVRing The Cleveland Show? Really?
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Just the NFL giving those Nazi-loving Maras all of the breaks. Some things never change.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Refs got a call from Vegas telling them to uphold the play.
/conspiracy’d
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 AM
couldn’t agree more. great post.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:41 AM
the defenders gave up on the play when he went to the ground, which hurts their argument that Cruz was never down. for that reason alone, i can’t feel like AZ was screwed here.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Ha! I had no clue what you meant by this, until I watched the video.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
the one call that apparently trumps the Buffalo Wild Wings call.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:43 AM
I’d feel bad for the Cardinals if the defensive backs didn’t give up on that TD pass to Nicks
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Which one? I thought they got the spot right on that Ginger dive at the end of the game
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:44 AM
But when he got up, he didn’t try to advance. He was headed back to the Giants huddle. I think the play should be reviewable but it’s pretty clear to me that he wanted to go down and the play to be over.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 AM
not related: if you don’t call fair catch and get lit up as the ball gets there or slightly after, it shouldn’t be a personal foul for hitting a defenseless receiver. the league gives you a fair catch option, if you’re dumb enough not to use it then there should be no foul.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Butters, the Stevie Johnson catch. He clearly had the ball when going to the ground but official called it an incomplete pass.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Because Vegas has a direct line with the refs more than likely. Is Jay V around? Perhaps he can inform us how much action that game was getting, because it was a 1 point line. That TD turned an AZ cover into a Giants cover.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:48 AM
so…Tampa beats Indy by 14 tonight, right? Blount punches his way to 120 yards rushing?
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 AM
I have to think there was more money on the Giants covering than the Cardinals if the line was 1 point.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Agreed. At the 9-second mark he gives himself up, the 11-second mark you can see where he starts to head back to the huddle. Zebras made the right call.
Also, Lisk, a suggestion: shouldn’t you guys have some kind of NFL Roundup every Monday morning, giving a quick recap of all the games (like Ballin’?) I never understood why TBL doesn’t do this.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Also, Lisk, a suggestion: shouldn’t you guys have some kind of NFL Roundup every Monday morning, giving a quick recap of all the games (like Ballin’?) I never understood why TBL doesn’t do this
I second this suggestion.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
Public hammering Giants, Services on Cardinals
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
1. monday football roundup
2. mobile site
3. remove autoplay ads
/nods at mizerle
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
I mean, the very first post after the Roundup on a Monday morning after a full slate of NFL games is a Marion Barber TD celebration (with GIF and video!) post.
Makes no sense.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 AM
NFL Roundup every Monday morning, giving a quick recap of all the games (like Ballin’?
hell, it can even take Ballin’s place; that season isn’t happening.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 AM
It was a bad call but how many plays are there during any given game that a whistle is never actually blown? A lot I bet. There’s not a whistle on every play.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Third’d
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
There’s not a whistle on every play.
Huh?
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
hey ill,
HTTR (BAIBTTEAC – because anyone is better than the Eagles and Cowboys)
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Regardless of what the line is, the money is nearly always 50/50. Vegas/bookies are making their money on the juice, not the actual bet itself.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:55 AM
“I second this suggestion.”
“Third’d”
Fourth. Call it “Monday morning Pigsplosion” or somesuch.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
nice TBS..give Rangers-Rays at 2:07 PM start on Tuesday so that there will be even less fans than usual in that horrendous ballpark
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Watch any given game. There are plenty of times when a play just ends and there’s not an actual whistle. It’s like the refs are waiting for another ref to blow the whistle but it never happens.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Regardless of what the line is, the money is nearly always 50/50.
Which is why I find Bill Simmon’s podcasts where he picks the lines so funny when he gets “upset” or doesn’t “get” Vegas.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Pretty sure TBL has said that the reason there’s no roundup is that there’s so much NFL coverage out there, it would just be redundant and lost in the shuffle.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Redundant? What do you mean redundant?
/ESPN
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
could be worse, at least it wasn’t a shot of player dong in the locker room.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Yeah. The market for which random ass person is marrying some c-list athlete is untapped. Wait, Tom Brady got a haircut!!
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Yeah, there’s a reason Vegas is still around building casinos, and we go to work at a 9 to 5.
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 AM
HTTR (BAIBTTEAC – because anyone is better than the Eagles and Cowboys)
back-handed compliment? i’ll take it.
HTTR!
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
ill, i just can’t bring myself to ever root for a Mike Shanahan team
October 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
The problem with this rule and this play is that, unless a player is taking a knee or sliding (usually the QB), the referees are forced to judge intent. And that’s a dangerous slope.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
By new rule: don’t draft a QB who is so much of a bitch he leaves a mediocre college football program because he’s not good enough to start, then puts up great numbers at a D1AA school.
/Flacco’d
I don’t like Sanchez, but at least he had an excuse last night. Flacco just sucks.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Yeah. The market for which random ass person is marrying some c-list athlete is untapped. Wait, Tom Brady got a haircut!!
Boom. Roasted.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Shit, I just realized that today is the day I’m supposed to start wearing a Cubs gravatar.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
There were very broad interpretations all throughout yesterday.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
I didn’t think this was true
Or this. Have you not heard about the financial problems in Vegas? I’m sure it’s not because sports books losing money, but still…
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
ms, still drunk from saturday?
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
he’s a dick, but his offense rocks.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
I would enjoy a football type roundup, too. RedZone can sponsor it. Seriously, talk to them. I bet you could make some scratch off that.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
ms, still drunk from saturday?
Nope. What sucked actually is that because I started drinking at 1pm, and because the victory lead to further rounds of celebratory drinking, I was pretty thoroughly gone by 7. And I already had a hangover by 9pm.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
I’d be willing to bet money (!!!) that it’s less to do with gambling and more to do with them branching out to other attractions and then the economy tanking.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
I’m guessing you’d have more luck with a fantasy football roundup, sponsored by thehuddle (Get In The Huddle!)
/hates all fantasy sports
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
he’s a dick, but his offense rocks.
a dick may be the most accurate description of Shanny, given his uncanny year around tan.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM
/hates all fantasy sports
/signs WWoS up for The Huddle.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Why do you think lines move? It’s not because books are all the sudden feeling better about a game. It’s because they want to keep the money as even as possible. That way, regardless of the outcome, they still come out ahead due to the juice.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 AM
The house is still winning its same % of every dollar, but when you spend $billions on new casinos heading into a recession, you’re going to be get hurt badly.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
So this has to get a post, yes?
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Solution, keep drinking.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I understand most lines move to reflect that. But first of all, if a line moves a lot it’s because there isn’t 50% action, so that’s not ‘no matter the line’ that’s changing the line and opening yourself up to a middle (from a sports book perspective).
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Sponsored post? no comments!
/wanking
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
I think a player giving himself up and thinking the play is over are two different things. Cruz never gave himself up as to the officials to blow the play dead. He did think he was touched so he got up to go back to the huddle in what was in actuality a live play.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
And his personnel decisions are terrible. ‘Skins will finish 8-8 at best. Trust me, I’ve seen it before.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Solution, keep drinking.
That was the plan. We left the bar we watched the game at and walked down the street to another bar with plans to “close it down”. But then we realized that we’re all in our late 20s and were falling asleep and can’t drink for 12 straight hours anymore.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
tOSU should hire him as their next OC.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
What other determination can you gather from a receiver who lays there, leaves the ball on the ground and hustles back to the line of scrimmage?
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Barney’s movie has heart, but knee to the groin has a knee to the groin
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
I’m not arguing that sports books don’t make money or anything… I just don’t think all the money comes in at 50% no matter what the line.
Clearly if it moves, that’s because they made a mistake. So if Simmons says “i dont get Vegas” because a line is -3.5, and then the line moves to -2.5, it’s because he’s right, and that significantly more than 50% of the money is coming in on the underdog.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
id reply, but thinking of osu’s offense made me vomit all over myself.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
That he thought he was down by contact, which Lisk quoted him on, when in fact he wasn’t.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
I don’t want to hear this. I’m 4 years away from that age bracket and time is starting to fly. Then again, I was at the casino until 4 am and drank for a couple hours more on Friday night, and I felt ok before the noon game started.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Just because they correct it by Friday, doesn’t mean it was high/low from an ‘equal money on both’ perspective.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Of course there’s not 50% right away, hence the move. But at the end of the day the money is near even due to line movement and the books are making their cut.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Barney’s movie has heart, but knee to the groin has a knee to the groin
/pours one out for moleman
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 AM
seeing that game on ABC made me vomit
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 AM
So if Simmons complains about a line that eventually moves significantly, he has a point.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 AM
I don’t want to hear this. I’m 4 years away from that age bracket and time is starting to fly. Then again, I was at the casino until 4 am and drank for a couple hours more on Friday night, and I felt ok before the noon game started.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The inability to drink for half a day doesn’t really ruin the experience of a college football Saturday. Especially if your team beats a ranked opponent for the first time in 6 years and is 4-1 for the first time since 1986.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:13 AM
The Ohio State-Nebraska game will be a blueprint for how not to run an offense. I know OSU was terrible, but I think getting back their best OL, RB and WR gives them a slight edge of Arm Punt Martinez.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
Like I said (and I’m trying to be really clear on this)… I’m not arguing your point that eventually there won’t be 50-50 money distribution, just ATL’s point that… well, pretty much anything ATL says.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
What other determination can you gather from a receiver who lays there, leaves the ball on the ground and hustles back to the line of scrimmage?
I don’t know about lay there. It’s not like he was down for long at all. He got up and dropped the ball. And my stance would be that if you relinquish possession before a whistle blows, and before being touched down, it’s a fumble, no matter what your intent.
Play, or in this case, lay to the whistle.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
Yes, more money is coming in on the underdog, then the line moves to put money on the favorite and it balances out the money. Thus the books are trying to create the 50/50 split.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
whatever, you need to keep rocking that SMU logo.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Go Giants!
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
‘Skins will finish 8-8 at best.
that’s not good for my 10-6 prediction.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Arm Punt Martinez.
That guy throws like a girl. His mechanics are worse than tebow.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
So if Plaxico Burress had just gotten up instead of spiking the ball that one time in Jacksonville thinking he was down it wouldn’t have been ruled a fumble?
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:16 AM
whatever, you need to keep rocking that SMU logo.
I made a bet with mrejr, who I haven’t seen around here in weeks. So I should honor it. Maybe I’ll wait a couple more days.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
But you know what does? Kids.
And yardwork.
And family obligations.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
It doesn’t happen on the initial line, and sometimes Simmons is off, and that the lines which are ‘wrong’ often get corrected.
I’ve found that listening to him predict lines, is a fairly good way to identify value lines early on before they correct. His problem is that he never listens to himself, so makes stupid picks that go against his fairly good logic.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
I’ve been there, ill. I’ve lived it. Brace yourself for a 3 game losing streak at some point.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Madonna to perform at Superbowl halftime show?
if this is true, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck the NFL
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 AM
Their job isn’t to determine why he gave himself up, it’s to determine whether or not he did. And by laying there, leaving the ball on the ground, and running back to the huddle, it’s a reasonable judgement that he did.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
But you know what does? Kids.
And yardwork.
And family obligations.
Way to harsh my mellow, man.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
didn’t Bsanders do this a couple years ago?
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:20 AM
Bookmakers are wrong a lot, resulting in line shifts. But they have a tough job because they’re often basing their lines on public perception as opposed to the actual teams playing.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 AM
not so fast…this could be a coup for humanity.
what would end the nonsense that is a) madonna and b) the super bowl halftime show more than seeing madonna get shot in the head by sniper in front of 150 million people?
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 AM
Just keeping it real, champ.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Brace yourself for a 3 game losing streak at some point.
only a 3 game? i’m a redskins’ fan, dude. we’re used to much worse.
you would think the skins are 1-3 by listening to talk radio this morning. it’s awful.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:23 AM
reminds me of the old NFL Films when guys could pile on
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:24 AM
which station? 106.7? I can imagine some of the douchebag callers into the Junkies show..and then mike wise who sucks ass.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:24 AM
Agree. And he didn’t. BY the rulebook definition he didn’t give himself up, he just thought the play was over. At the very least as Lisk pointed out it should have been challengable.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 AM
which station? 106.7? I can imagine some of the douchebag callers into the Junkies show..and then mike wise who sucks ass.
I consider this my comedy channel from September through December.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 AM
The NFL loves the Mannings. It’s the same conspiracy that put vaseline on Asante Samuel’s hands in the Superbowl.
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 AM
i listen to the junkies via podcast. Pure unintentional comedy
October 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 AM
There is nothing in the rule book that determines his thought process, just his actions. By his actions, he gave himself up.
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Amen!
/class of ’99
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Not true at all. Check the % on each side just before kickoffs on Sundays as a matter of routine. I look for games where the public is 90% or better, as a play the other way. 2-1 this weekend (chiefs, jags, seahawks).
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 PM
This is just ignorant. Sure they like it 50-50, but they don’t move lines just to keep that balance. Lines move in weird ways every week (counter to a 50-50 goal – when a team the public is heavy on starts giving less points as the week goes on is one example).
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Probably the least-accurate statement ever made on this blog…and there has been plenty of competition for this honor. Not even remotely true. Not even accurate in any sense of the word.
Giants took over 80% of the action at every online book I saw.
As for the books making their money on the juice…sure, to a certain extent. But that isn’t even close to being the cash cow. The cash cows are parlays, teasers, etc.
October 3rd, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Yup, I was going to jump on that too. For SOME of the lines the books will try to get it to 50/50, but they gamble too. There was a game this week where 90 percent on the money came on one side and Vegas didn’t move it at all. Vegas loses money when “public” teams win and cover. (i.e. Lakers, Giants, Packers etc..)