If Notre Dame Joins a Conference, It Will Be The Big Ten, Not the ACC.
Notre Dame may soon face the pressing need to join a conference in football. Their rightful home geographically, culturally and monetarily is the Big Ten, though cases are being made for other conferences. Less than a year ago, Andy Staples argued Notre Dame should join the Big East. Dan Wetzel makes a similar case for the ACC this year. I don’t understand it.
The Big Ten seems to be declining. However, we have short memories and we credit structure far too greatly over agency. Popular perceptions stem from how the top programs fare. The first argument for SEC ascendance? Five BCS titles. The first argument for Big Ten decline? No BCS titles in that span. The reason the pendulum swung in the SEC’s favor at the top is coaching.
Alabama and Florida maximized their potential in recent years. Two of the SEC’s top programs, they made A+ coaching hires (Meyer and Saban), maximized their potential and won BCS titles. Michigan and Penn State, in contrast, have woefully underperformed. Michigan had a decline under Lloyd Carr followed by an apocalypse. Penn State has been in a state of stasis for the better part of a decade waiting for Paterno to retire. Michigan and Penn State recover. Florida and Alabama decline and suddenly the Big Ten is the it conference.
Notre Dame is not necessarily limiting its recruiting base joining the Big Ten. Wetzel argues the ACC would offer greater access to the South for recruiting. I think that point is overstated. First, because Big Ten teams play in the “fertile recruiting grounds.” In the ACC, Notre Dame might play one or two conference road games in the coveted South Carolina, Georgia, Florida area. Look at the bowl games, however. The Big Ten offers two BCS bids almost every year (one guaranteed in Los Angeles) and three New Years Day games in Florida. During a truly incompetent season, Notre Dame might have to slum it a week in one of the two Teas bowls. That’s a week, not jetting in on a Friday during midseason.
Notre Dame is a national program. Part of the reason is playing games nationally, but a greater part is the school’s traditional fan base is primarily ethnic and religious, not regional. Catholic immigrants who became fans procreated and spread their fans throughout the country. Notre Dame won’t lose those fan pockets playing in the Big Ten. Another huge reason is Notre Dame was always on television and radio. It was pivotal then and it’s even more essential now.
The Big Ten can match and even expand Notre Dame’s television appeal. The ACC needs Notre Dame to get itself on national television. The Big Ten has a far bigger audience. Notre Dame would play rivalry games with Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue. It would play spectacle games with Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Nebraska. Add in USC and perhaps a neutral site every year. That’s a better television lineup than it has as an independent. Being on a kid’s social media radar and being thrown into ESPN’s promotion machine will be more important than playing a game in their geographic region.
Recruiting is changing. The sport is becoming increasingly national rather than regional. Money is pouring into it. Boundaries are being broken down. The Midwest population is declining. That doesn’t mean Big Ten schools won’t adjust. You have a school like Oregon with no local base stealing recruits out of USC’s backyard in California and making raids in Florida and Texas. Stanford (yes, Stanford) is pulling kids from Georgia. What happens when Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State start doing that with their resources? Demographics makes things more difficult, but it’s no death sentence.
Notre Dame shouldn’t join the ACC, because it’s bigger than the ACC. The ACC has had its present lineup since 2004. How many college football fans can name the divisions and slot the 12 teams into the right ones without googling it? What would an ACC team do if the Big Ten expressed interest? Schedule a meeting. What would a Big Ten team do if the ACC expressed interest? Laugh.
The Big Ten is higher-profile, more exclusive, more stable, more lucrative and a more natural fit. It would let Notre Dame keep virtually all of its key rivalry games. It has a business model built for independent, longterm success without Notre Dame, which is exactly why they would choose it.
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September 20th, 2011 at 3:17 PM
/rolls eyes
//stupid fake field goal
///stupid trick plays
////The Dark Knight
September 20th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
I wonder what the wife is making for dinner.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
guy sitting in front of me at the Giants game had a jersey and on the back it said “Down in Front”. i lawl’d.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
They still lost.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
KC, found out we are having salmon with this awesome garlic Parmesan cheese sauce.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
So the Boardwalk Empire discussion can continue here then? Cool.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
I was told these are meaningless.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
I’d head back to South Bend for a game, good times there
The Big Ten hockey league could be served well by having another team too
September 20th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
From an academic standpoint, Notre Dame absolutely will not join the Big Ten until they learn how to count correctly.
Also, until bonus points are awarded to teams that kill their interns.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
KC, found out we are having salmon with this awesome garlic Parmesan cheese sauce.
Sweet. I make a killer dill sauce when I smoke salmon. Brown sugar, mayo, dill, lemon… excellent.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
I’m just holding his spot in this discussion until sousedbergin can get here.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
Semi satisfies my need for a speculative post. Needs more Big East and Big 12.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
The B10 has always made the most sense for ND. If they feel the need to join a conference it will undoubtedly be the B10.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
The reason the pendulum swung in the SEC’s favor at the top is coaching.
well that and the SPPEEEEEEEDDD!
September 20th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Shaving cream or shaving oil?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
/fixed
/runs and hides before everyone points and laughs
September 20th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
Are you talking about the ACC or the Big 10? Because both are stupid.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
I think I heard last night that it was the first MNF home game in 8 years for the Giants. any particular reason for that? that seems like an awfully long time between home games for a team that probably has at least one MNF game a year.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Not gonna lie, I just barely glanced over the last 3 paragraphs. But I think there is a whole huge point about Saban and SEC coaching vs. the Boneg without mentioning that Saban used to coach Sparty. Interesting. Sort of.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
This is funny.
/sfw
September 20th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Catholic immigrants who became fans procreated and spread their fans throughout the country.
lol… you can’t procreate with 8 year old boys.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
I’ve always liked the idea of Notre Dame as an independent. Kind of like how the Yankees don’t have to wear the names on the back of their road jerseys. Special privileges to special places.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
You know, because those schools were constantly winning National Titles before the 2000s (yes Joe Pa was jipped a few times)
September 20th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
construction on the new stadium, mostly. that was about half of the time. the other half was the team not being good enough to be worthy of hosting a primetime game.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:31 PM
1994 is an absolute travesty. Fuck Nebraska
September 20th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
I agree with this, except maybe the part about “expanding”. A consistently good ND program I think is still best “made for TV” as an independent.
Anyway, I’m a little interested in a discussion about whether and how much demographics to affect college programs over the next 10/20/50 years, and whether the recent decline of some programs that had previously been powerhouses can reasonably be attributed to that, and to what extent.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Kind of like how the Yankees don’t have to wear the names on the back of their road jerseys. Special privileges to special places.
I don’t see how that’s the same thing as Notre Dame being independent. I’m fairly sure that any team can choose to take names off their jerseys if they wish. The Giants did it for a few years. And if Notre Dame being independent is a ‘special privilege’ then what is BYU being independent?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
I think we define constantly differently.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
They were too busy taking home games from hurricane torn New Orleans.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
*grumble* stupid Big 10 hockey conference
September 20th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
I didn’t know that meant you could get away with killing someone until last year. Special indeed.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
no names on the jerseys during the John L Smith era. fuck the john l smith era.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Duffy’s trying to move my meter.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Cream. But only the good stuff, not that canned goo. And a proper badger brush.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Unspecial, irrelevant and abstinent.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
This one is about as fresh as Lady Gaga’s vagina.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
I didn’t know that meant you could get away with killing someone until last year. Special indeed.
Protestants don’t know this, but we Catholics get one free murder/manslaughter. We just have to fess up to it in confession, but after that all is well.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
I too will miss chanting “RAC-IST MAS-COT!” at North Dakota
September 20th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
Don’t blame them, blame the voters.
/NEB would have whooped that ass
//Frazier for Heisman
September 20th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
Unspecial, irrelevant and abstinent.
So independent status by itself is not special.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
But like her vagina it performs the job adamantly.
/has no clue what that means
September 20th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
I’m still enjoying that Duffy isn’t considered a college football fan because he doesn’t share the same opinions as a certain faction of commenters. Adorable.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
Kerry Collins would have bent over Nebraska and made them his bitch.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
At least I’m going to get a couple years of WCHA hockey before I’m forced to watch Penn State attempt to field a team.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
This one is about as fresh as Lady Gaga’s vagina.
mmmm, dick.
/coop
September 20th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
you little rascal
/tussles hernia’s hair
//hands him a comb
clean yourself up
September 20th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
I do not like this topic.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
I’m sure he’s a fan, but he does seem to have a hard time finding good things about CFB.
It would have been a great game, but the team that PSU would have played was essentially the same team that beat Florida 62-24 and averaged 500 yards a game rushing. They also had a better defense than Penn State. PSU had the flashy offense, though. No denying that.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Yes, those Yankees sure are “special”
/short bus special
September 20th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
Because if you put a lot of weight in demographics contributing to long term success of a program, than you might be more inclined to agree with Wetzel that the ACC presents a great long-term option, even if short-term it seems the wrong choice.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/genius/littlerascals/Little-Rascals_5_L.jpg
September 20th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Husker, that sounds an awful, awful lot like an argument a tea partier might use if you substitute Obama for Duffy and America for CFB.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
I’m sure he’s a fan, but he does seem to have a hard time finding good things about CFB.
He’s also having a hard time living down that picture of himself replete with puka shells at a Michigan game when he was a youngun.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
I consider him a fan, I also consider him an idiot when it comes to the subject.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
It’s not that he doesn’t like college football. He’s a fan. He’s also one of those guys who watches the Michigan game, then puts on a nice tight ball constricting pair of bikers trousers, bikes 30 miles, comes home, watches ESPN to allow them to update him on the day’s happenings and then writes about how he hates the BCS.
Rinse…Repeat.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
The only people who should care are ND fans, and fans of the non-Michigan B1G schools.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
I disagree, but such is life.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Notre Dame shouldn’t join the ACC, because it’s bigger than the ACC. The ACC has had its present lineup since 2004. How many college football fans can name the divisions and slot the 12 teams into the right ones without googling it? What would an ACC team do if the Big Ten expressed interest? Schedule a meeting. What would a Big Ten team do if the ACC expressed interest? Laugh.
this paragraph is seems unnecessarily defensive.
you make the argument that the big 10 is in decline, but yet it still shits on the growing ACC? i’m sure the revenue sharing of the big 10 is much greater than that of the ACC. however, from an all-around athletic standpoint i’d say the ACC is equal to, if not better than, the big 10.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Ha. Silly metaphors are about the extent I’m capable of contributing to an informed college football discussion, anyway.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
If this is about catholics their rivalry should be with Syracuse and DNA evidence.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Hawkeye, i’ve grown to like the shaving oil. much closer shave and saves the life of the blade.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
All I know is the B10 is a dumpster fire this year. Wisconsin is the only team that looks remotely close to elite and they haven’t played a team worth a shit yet. There’s a whole lotta suck running through that league, including my Huskers.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
yes Joe Pa was jipped a few times)
/ 1994 is an absolute travesty. Fuck Nebraska.
Add 1997 Michigan, and fuck the Coaches Poll along with Nebraska.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
How many sports does that include, all of them?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
If this is about catholics their rivalry should be with Syracuse and DNA evidence.
Did you just drag Georgetown into this? Fuck you
September 20th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
i told you penn state sucked.
/ignores crappy spartan performance
September 20th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
Speaking of teapots…
September 20th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
I can’t believe you managed to make this statement an entire post.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
I can’t believe you managed to make this statement an entire post.
You might call the fact that Duffy did so a pleonasm.
/yesterday’d
September 20th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
I can’t believe you managed to make this statement an entire post.
Nobody reads the posts indeed.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Something to try after the beard gets removed next March or so. Any certain brand?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
It looks like there are 12 teams vying for a shot at the title.
Pac 12: Stanford
Big 12: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, OK ST
ACC: VT
B10: Wisky, Neb
SEC: LSU, Bama, ARK
Big East: WVU
Other: Boise State
Big 10: Wisconsin, NEB
Who am I missing? Clemson, South Carolina, Florida, Texas and Michigan aren’t title contenders. Hell, I don’t think WVU, VT, NEB and OKST are either, but they still have a shot, technically.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
And by 12 I mean 14.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
i just use american crew
September 20th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
How many sports does that include, all of them?
main college sports: football, basketball, baseball, soccer, track, etc…
i’d give the big ten the edge in football. the ACC will be better in basketball with Pitt/Cuse. baseball is all ACC, but big ten has hockey. soccer is about even.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
All hail Broccoli Beef, the newly elected president of the Nate Davis Fan Club!
/ Proclamation issued following final tabulation of votes by Nada, Nate Davis Fan Club treasurer and major domo
September 20th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Can someone explain the Nas/Jay Z feud to me please?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
And by 12 I mean 14.
Is that because Nebraska and Wisconsin are each trying to wo win it twice?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
I wonder where that wo came from. SG, do you mean the old one or are they feuding again?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
you can shave with anything if the water is hot enough.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
It looks like there are 12 teams vying for a shot at the title.
Pac 12: Stanford
Big 12: Oklahoma, Texas A&M, OK ST
ACC: VT
B10: Wisky, Neb
SEC: LSU, Bama, ARK
Big East: WVU
Other: Boise State
Big 10: Wisconsin, NEB
Fuckin’ Big Ten, why do they get two shots at the title?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Not buying Florida? I’ll say it’s a longshot given the ridiculous schedule but the defense has been solid and that offense is bound to click soon.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Can someone explain the Nas/Jay Z feud to me please?
They said discourteous things about each other to sell more records.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Um, thanks? I really just wanted to see him get a shot to run the offense in the regular season, I never really said he was going to turn out great or anything tho.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
that offense is bound to click soon
Because of the decided schematic advantage?
September 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Because Jim Delaney runs this motherfucker
September 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XnVyd7Fjas&feature=player_detailpage#t=71s
September 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Furthermore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_vs._Nas_feud
September 20th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
They don’t. They have two teams that can still play for it. It’s going to suck for the B10 when Wisconsin enters the B10 title game at 12-0 and loses to Nebraska, though.
September 20th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
As #1 in fan interest and #2 in actual football talent? Quite the decline.
Just because the SEC has become a professional league with absolutely no regard for rules or academics doesnt mean that compared to the non-cheating schools the B1G has declined.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
So there was an old one that was resolved? I’m listening to Shade 45 and a Nas song came in and the first line was “fuck jay z.” I have no idea when the song came out. It’s called Ether.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Can someone explain the Nas/Jay Z feud to me please?
typical best artist/rapper of NY battle. it’s a battle that never ends, the players simply come and go over time. only difference in jigga and nas case is that they are both in the national spotlight, so it gets more national play.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
FIU
September 20th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
They have a sick front 4, but the LBs and DBs are way too young. They aren’t beating both LSU and Alabama, either. I also think their offense is way too reliant on Time to Die, Bitch. A good defense (read: not UGA) will be able to force Brantley into throwing it elsewhere.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Oh, and fuck ND, we asked, you said no. We moved on, too bad for you.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Minnesota is going to beat Wisconsin this year.
/eats more cactus
September 20th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
In that case you could throw in South Carolina for the inverse reason.
And I’m not buying Arkansas as a contender. Not until I see more from Wingo.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Gonna be tough for that single wing offense to score the 45 points they’ll need to win
September 20th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
enjoyed the first season, watched all but the finale. still haven’t seen it, not entirely sure I want to watch season 2.
the show makes for an awesome trailer though, i give it that.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Wow.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Dude…Nebraska? WVU? GTFO.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Ohio State fans think this is incredibly naive.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
I guess you didn’t read the part after the list.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
oddly difficult to find here
September 20th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Sg – that’s Ether off Nas’ Stillmatic album from 2002.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Agreed. We’ll be exposed in two weeks. Don’t worry America.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
shaved your ass, huh?
September 20th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
I’m listening to Shade 45 and a Nas song came in and the first line was “fuck jay z.” I have no idea when the song came out. It’s called Ether.
That song’s almost 10 years old now. It’s awesome. “Fuck Jay-Z” is a Tupac sample from Hit Em Up
September 20th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Seeing as how UNLV was gashing Wisky on zone reads, I wouldn’t be so confident.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
September 20th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Jim Delaney would get in on the diddling of boys if it meant getting ND. EVERYONE (save for maybe the SEC) wants ND.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Yeah, I see that now after reading the wiki entry. I’m clearly proving my whiteness.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
AKA, I’m still pissed about getting curb stomped at home by Alabama.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
I don’t think so, quotefail. We’re not THAT bad this year.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
That’s funny.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Agreed. We’ll be exposed in two weeks. Don’t worry America
damn right you will.
/roll tide
September 20th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Don’t jinx it man. I really think they are going to try and use D.Johnson some more this weekend, at least that is what I like to see. Wingo just does too much tip-toeing for me, it may get him killed this weekend.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I will say this about FLA, I like them to win the East after watching them for three weeks. UGA is too soft for the DL and South Carolina is about as fraudy as it gets. A Florida-Bama or Florida-LSU SEC title game would be an entertaining one I suppose.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
AKA, I’m still pissed about getting curb stomped at home by Alabama.
that’s how i read that as well.
it MAY have been respectable if they’d stop listening to that insane old man and stick with one QB for the entire game. what an awfully run program.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
If you ever want to laugh just watch Richard Samuel run. He runs (with cleats on grass, by the way) as if he’s roller skating on ice. It’s hilarious…and sad.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
dude, y’all were supposed to be decent last year and still lost to Minnesota, what makes you think it will change this year? losing to Iowa State should show you that a loss to anyone is possible.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
Just kidding, Broccoli. As you pointed out in another post, you and I seem to be the only members of the Nate Davis club.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
I’m clearly proving my whiteness.
the flat ass wasn’t enough evidence?
/just kidding
September 20th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Johnson’s not 100% though. How many carries can they give him? Wingo just really pisses me off because of all the talent he just doesn’t channel. It was fine last year with the receiving core as deep as it was and Knile having a breakout year but he needs to get his shit together soon, like before Saturday.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Underestimate a McCoy at your own risk, my friend.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
good laugh for SEC fans
September 20th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
I think Johnson is better than they are leading on or they wouldn’t have let him return kicks last weekend. agreed on Wingo though, this is his third year it should have clicked by now, he was a huge recruit coming out of STL.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Any other school would’ve just moved him to receiver, but we really don’t need that. I hope you’re right about DJ, but if not, I hope the swing passes/screens work.
September 20th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Lot of mouthbreathing going on all over that website.
September 20th, 2011 at 5:55 PM
good laugh for SEC fans
Yup, I about busted a Nutt laughing.
September 20th, 2011 at 6:54 PM
maybe ND doesn’t want to play……………….#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights#underthelights