How Many Wins Is Peyton Manning Worth?
[UPDATE: At 12:30 Wednesday, Manning was officially ruled out for Sunday's opener against the Texans by general manager Bill Polian.]
Let the national freak out begin. Peyton Manning is not likely to play this week unless he has a miraculous turnaround from the effects of his neck surgery. The speculation is growing that he will miss multiple games. A few weeks ago, the line for the Colts opener at division rival Houston was close to a pick em, with the Colts a 1 point favorite in many places.
With yesterday’s news, and the likelihood that 39-year old Kerry Collins will start for Indianapolis, the line has swung to the Texans favored by 8.5 points to 9 points, almost a 10 point swing. Now, that line was already moving before the news about Manning (though we’ve known for a month that he was not participating in preseason, and that likely was already having some impact). Is Peyton Manning really worth 10 points per game? And how much of a win total drop should we expect for the Colts if Manning misses time?
I ran a quick twitter poll, where I asked people to assume the Colts were a 10-11 win team with a healthy 16 games from Manning, and then project a 16 game win total without. The average response was 5.6 wins, with a range from 3 to 8 wins. Let’s see how that nearly 5 win drop matches up with historical data.
To try to look at this question, I went back and looked at every Hall of Fame quarterback since 1978 who missed at least 2 starts in a season. I then added a couple of qualifiers. I limited it to ages 27-37, and I excluded any seasons that were the final two seasons as a starter (to avoid any decline phase). I also excluded any season where another Hall of Famer was the backup (Steve Young and Joe Montana in 1988 and 1989).
The goal here is to at least get a list of comparable players to Peyton Manning, so we can then mentally adjust for the Colts’ situation from a reasonable baseline. A few years ago, Doug Drinen of pro-football-reference did a study on what a starting quarterback was worth. The answer was about 2.3 points a game and 1 win over the course of a 16 game season. Now, that was an average starting quarterback, not a Hall of Famer, and Doug went on to estimate (before Brady’s injury that season) that the Patriots would be a solid 10 or 11 win team if Brady were hurt all year and an unknown backup was pressed into duty. A few weeks later, Brady did get hurt, and everyone was freaking out about the Patriots’ collapse without the irreplaceable Tom Brady, which prompted this response. Consider this my “reports of the Colts demise are greatly exaggerated” pre-emptive strike. (and yes, I did write this, so I wasn’t expecting the Colts to win 12 or 13 games anyway).
So anyway, back to our Hall of Famers and their backups. My list includes 3 seasons each of Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly; 2 seasons of John Elway; and a season each from Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, and Bob Griese (lest you complain about these last two, they don’t hurt the numbers, and the difference between Bradshaw and a young Mark Malone were among the largest dropoffs). I then looked at the average points for and against both with the Hall of Famer starting and without, as well as wins and losses.
When the Hall of Famers started, their teams averaged 24.0 points, 19.5 points against (+4.5 point difference per game) and won 61.5% of their games, which would equate to 9.8 wins.
When their backups started, those teams averaged 22.3 points, 21.4 points against (+0.9 point difference per game) and won 45.1% of the games, which would equate to 7.2 wins.
The differences between the Hall of Famers and the backups was a +3.6 point differential per game, and 2.6 wins prorated over 16 games.
Now, that 2.6 wins could be the difference between a playoff appearance and not for a team like the Colts. Let’s talk about some adjustments. The backups, since I excluded two seasons of Steve Young, would not be any better than a 39 year old Kerry Collins, and arguably worse on average. The most accomplished as starters after their relief role were either Scott Mitchell or Elvis Grbac or Don Strock. The rest were either career backups or former starters at the end of their careers. I don’t see any reason to downgrade that projection based on Collins compared to the typical backup.
As for Manning, yes, I think he’s an above average Hall of Famer and one of the best at his position of all-time. I think he’s a little more important than even the typical Hall of Famer, even though he is a little older than the average Hall of Famer I used for this study. Even if we bump him up, though, over the average dropoff between Hall of Famer and backup, we can’t get crazy with it. There’s no way he’s worth more than double the composite average of every other Hall of Famer versus his backup.
So I think if you want to assume the Colts were a 10.5 win team with a completely healthy Manning (the 9.5 to 10 win Vegas totals necessarily had a slight chance of Manning missing games already built into the line, so that’s reasonable), then I think the average projection for this roster should be about 7.5 wins. That should be enough to swing them from the favorite to win the AFC South to an underdog, but still a viable playoff contender if things break right in the AFC South.
Collins still has a well above average receiving group to throw to, with Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon. The defense still has Freeney and Mathis. If this team is significantly worse than 7 wins, it will be because other things–Wayne and Clark declining, Freeney or Mathis getting hurt–caused them to fall further.
Now, I think it’s unlikely that Manning would miss all season, so I think the Colts win projection should be somewhere between 7.5 and 10.0 wins, depending on how many games you think he misses. Here are my predictions for the Colts while/if Manning is out:
- The Colts will not be nearly as bad as people think, as we tend to overestimate the value of the elite quarterback (flashback to the line for New England/Green Bay jumping 9.5 points when Rodgers was ruled out with a concussion, when I said the Packers would keep it close)
- Kerry Collins will put up near league average passing numbers. I don’t think he is what he was, obviously, at age 39. What he has been, for all of his career, is a guy that avoids sacks and gets rid of the ball quickly (not Manning quick, but way better than a typical QB, which is why he is a good fit here). When you factor that in, he has been a league average passer, throwing to inferior receivers compared to the Colts, but behind a better offensive line.
- I will be taking the Colts +8.5 on Sunday, though I expect that line to move even more as the public panics.
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September 6th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
Be interesting to see if Colts can be like 2008 Pats.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
Probably not because I’m pretty sure the Pats had a coach that was actually alive.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
I think this spells bad things for someone you didn’t mention in the post, Lisk. Joseph Addai is probably going to get more carries. He’s been hurt a bit more in recent years. Your post on running back committees doesn’t help his cause either as the Colts got a good long look at Donald Brown last year. I can’t imagine that liked what they saw.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
Plus Peyton isn’t a system QB, so he isn’t as easy to replace.
/flips off WWOS
//trollin’ just to troll
September 6th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
if he doesn’t play a game, i’ll say 6-10 or 7-9
September 6th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
Patriots lost Brady and won 11 games.
Patriots >>>>> Colts
September 6th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
if you want to tear your ACL, play for the Giants.
/FML
September 6th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
/dusts hands
There we go.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
I’d rather have a ‘system’ QB than a team revolving around one player. If something happens to Brady in week 8, the Pats still have 2 more NFL-ready QBs than Jacksonville, SF, and Seattle combined.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
Why did they pay him if it’s as bad as this sounds?
September 6th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
The Colts had Manning throw it until his arm fell off last year. How bad is their run game going to be when they dont have to respect the pass? 5 wins tops if he doesnt play a game.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
Manning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brady
Meh, whatever @ that… Manning has done stuff Brady could never do. Pass for all those yards. Throw all those TDs. Throw a pick-6 to lose a Superbowl…
I’m okay with Manning > Brady. In fact, watching him play the past few years, I’ve been disappointed, because a lot of clutch throws are overthrown, and he seems (understandably) more skittish under pressure.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
I like 6 wins, even if he comes back by week 4.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
Normally I agree with this camp. But I’m not sure the Colts have a lot of talent around Manning. I’d take the ‘under 10.5′ even if he played 16 games.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
Crap. I mentioned Donald Brown and didn’t link this. I have failed you all.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
I’m going to laugh when the Texans choke. The pressure is all on them and Kubiak to perform.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Came across an interesting prop bet this weekend:
I put some coin on the under.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
You’re more resigned to your fate with the Texans than I have been with the Cubs. What’s going to happen if the Texans go 9-7 but make the playoffs and lose in the first round? Kubiak would probably keep his job. That’s gotta be worst case scenario for Texans fans.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Wow. I’ve never seen this before. That’s fantastic.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:28 PM
Also, between Manning’s injury and Jax starting a McNown, I am feeling better and better about the Titan over prediction
September 6th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
The Bears won’t. Then probably KC and Seattle are the only others I can confidently say they won’t. Who else you got? Indy? Atlanta? Baltimore? The Jets?
September 6th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
If Manning misses 3 games and the Colts go 0-3 they may think about not rushing him back, if it looks like a lost season, or he isn’t fully healed. In that case, with Hasselbeck/Locker, McCown/Gabbert, and Collins/Painter in the South, 8-8 could take it.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:31 PM
In 2009, two highly-regard UConn prospects were drafted in the first two rounds. Who will end up the bigger bust, Donald Brown or Darius Butler?
/Janoff
September 6th, 2011 at 5:32 PM
AFC South: Peyton Manning’s faulty neck > Jim Caldwell’s slumbering brain > Gary Kubiak’s shriveled gonads > Kerry Collins’s ossified arm > Jack Del Rio’s QB-less woodchoppers.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:32 PM
I’ve never heard of an Oncilla but they sure do have cute babies!
September 6th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
I’d say Bears, Chiefs, Seahawks, Colts are 4 I feel comfy with. I do not think its a a stretch to say one of Pitt/Balt/NYJ will miss. The last one will prolly be Atl or Philly (Vick injury). Nothing guaranteed, but getting +135, I couldn’t help myself.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:36 PM
Probably have to give it to Butler since Brown is at least still with his team.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:37 PM
At +135 I don’t blame you. I just look at the AFC and see a likely carbon copy of last year with the Chargers replacing the Chiefs. Don’t ask me why, but I still have faith in the Colts contending for the AFC South. I just cannot put faith into Houston. Not after so many years of coming up short.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:39 PM
Isn’t Trent Edwards on Jax? Superbowl baby!
September 6th, 2011 at 5:39 PM
TheBigLead Says:
if he doesn’t play a game, i’ll say the Colts tanked to get Andrew Luck
/corrected
September 6th, 2011 at 5:45 PM
Just released by the Raiders last week.
It’s the Luke McCown/Blaine Gabbert show until Lord Tebow arrives via trade for a conditional 7th round draft pick.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:46 PM
Came across an interesting prop bet this weekend:
How Many of the 12 teams that made the Playoffs last season will make the Playoffs this season?
Over (165) vs. Under (+135) 6.5
I put some coin on the under.
The Under would have paid 7 of the last 10 years. Last year was the first over (7 of 12 returned) since 2003. I’m surprised that you actually get favorable odds to take the under.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:49 PM
As was I Lisk.
September 6th, 2011 at 5:50 PM
Trying to figure out at least 7 teams from the playoffs I have faith in making it again this year to bet that over. GB, NO (or ATL), Pitt, NE and PHI are the only ones I come up with though. That’s 5 (possibly 6 in the NFC South). I guess the under is the solid bet.
If the Rams had won the West, I’d be more inclined to bet the over.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:34 PM
i don’t think the importance can be measured statistically in this case, not because manning is so much better than other QB’s but because how well he pulls off a smoke and mirror act.
without manning’s at-the-line reads an average OL that didn’t give up sacks because he got rid of the ball so fast now has to block longer. the average RB’s have to run more. the WR’s won’t have the perfect route against the defense. freeney and mathis don’t have the leads where they can tee off knowing the opp qb has to pass. and kerry collins cannot throw like peyton.
also in that list you have a great foundation of coaches, staffs, offensive schemes, surrounding talent and great defenses. the colts don’t have the coaching structure esp without tom moore, have some good skill talent and a line and defense that were dependent on the offense’s support.
and with kerry collins back there with this OL peyton’s absence is the recipe for a disaster.
September 6th, 2011 at 6:46 PM
Ahhh, the Romeo Crennel corollary. I covered this in detail before…
September 6th, 2011 at 7:14 PM
if he doesn’t play a game, i’ll say 6-10 or 7-9
if he doesn’t play at all, I’d go around 4. If he plays hurt, no more than 7.