BYU to the Big 12? Maybe. ESPN is Reportedly Involved in Discussions
Warning: College Football realignment rumors will run rampant for the next few days, perhaps even weeks. We’ll do our best to sift fact from fiction.
Could BYU be the answer to save the crumbling Big 12? According to Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune, BYU has been talking to officials from the Big 12 over the last week about the school’s football program possibly joining what’s left of the league currently being held together by silly putty:
A BYU source said the talks have included the school’s desire to utilize its own television network, BYUtv, in a BCS automatic-qualifying conference much as it plans to this year. The talks have also included ESPN officials and even some input from Notre Dame representatives, whom BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe has referred to as “partners” in the past year.
It isn’t terribly surprisingly that the Longhorns Big 12 reached out to BYU. The Big 12 is hemorrhaging teams, and one of the primary reasons is the Longhorn Network, because it has created a significant advantage (recruiting, partnership with ESPN) for Texas. So the smart move for the Longhorns would be to try and reel in another team with its own network, as if to say, “hey, these guys have their own network – see, it really isn’t that big of a deal!”
Desperate schools with no other options (Kansas St., Baylor, etc) may just decide, “ok, fine, you win” … but what will Oklahoma do? The Sooners are a national power with a strong football tradition and unlike the dregs of the Big 12, Oklahoma will have suitors. Perhaps OU’s academics aren’t up to snuff for the Big Ten, but the Pac-12 will eventually come calling.
If you’re Oklahoma, besides the Red River Rivalry – if Texas pulled this stunt with Texas A&M, you can be sure it’ll hold the Red River Rivalry over OU’s head – what’s the point of staying? Kirk Bohls of the Statesmen, a veteran newspaper guy who I don’t think has broken a story in conference realignment, but often tosses up wacky scenarios, floated this one last night: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State are Pac 12-bound, which would create a Pac-16 beast that yes, would rival the SEC. If you’re wondering what the logistics would be like of the Longhorn Network and the Pac-12 network …
The Longhorn Network gets folded into the Pac-16 as a downsized regional network, joining the six regional networks that already exist within the conference.
There’s a lot to chew on in that sentence. Rumors! Weeeee!
I’ll speculate this: Larry Scott, the Pac-12 commish, is aggressive, savvy, and on the make to expand. Frankly, I’m surprised the Big Ten and SEC are operating so slowly. If Scott gobbles up Texas and Oklahoma, his conference covers half the country and in terms of talent, is deeper than the SEC. [via the Wiz of Odds]

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September 1st, 2011 at 9:59 AM
And yet, still, nobody east of the Mississippi will care.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:00 AM
Nobody. Fucking. Cares. I forgot A&M had a football team until they went all 16 year old ugly girl who just wanted attention so she blew the popular guy under the bleachers and then bragged about it. Only the popular guy won’t admit to ever having received her services.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:03 AM
I don’t think the PAC can get Oklahoma and Texas. Texas will go indy first I would think. PAC should focus on the Oklahomas and the Kansas’
September 1st, 2011 at 10:08 AM
I was on Houston sports radio 610 this morning talking A&M to the SEC, Arian Foster, and Colts. I’ll try to see if they put up a link later and drop it.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:09 AM
baylor better have a contingency plan this time, we were caught with our golden pants down last year. hopefully, we just realize it and leave the big 12 right now and join MWC/CUSA or something of that ilk. or, god, would the big 10 want us? good academics, can break into texas, not a threat to the big football powers, good all around sports.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:09 AM
Who cares?
How about a “top rated pro prospects” post so I can know who to pay attention to this year?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:09 AM
They’ll need a conference for basketball and other sports, though, and what conference is going to want Texas without it’s football program?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:09 AM
#humblebrag
September 1st, 2011 at 10:11 AM
Did Lisk just threadjack the EIC’s post with a humblebrag?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:12 AM
See those two bolded elements? They don’t run very well together on this site.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:13 AM
We’ll do our best to sift fact from fiction
So Bob Stoops’ fightin’ Irish are favored by how many against USF Saturday?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:14 AM
Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State are Pac 12-bound, which would create a Pac-16 beast that yes, would rival the SEC.
And Texas would have immense trouble getting to a BCS bowl game ever again.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:14 AM
This makes me feel queasy
September 1st, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Legend
September 1st, 2011 at 10:16 AM
I’m not sure that constitutes a humblebrag, or I understand the humblebrag differently.
A humble brag would have been something like “I hate when I have to go on a national radio show before my morning coffee. So out of it.”
September 1st, 2011 at 10:16 AM
These big 60 schools should just break away from the NCAA and keep all their $. Hold a 16 team playoff. Final Four on Jan 1. The ratings and tv $ would be off the charts. Why keep pooling it?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:17 AM
When all the dust settles and we have our 4 superconferences, I think the Big 12 will be the hodgepodge with the likes of BYU, Boise St, etc. I wish we could just skip to that point now.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Perhaps OU’s academics aren’t up to snuff for the Big Ten,
Is the Big Ten’s academic reputation really that high? This is a serious question, and I went to Ohio State. I realize the Michigan and Northwestern are great schools then everyone else kinda clusters in that 2nd tier of academia.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:17 AM
ESPN is Reportedly Involved in Discussions
This makes me feel queasy
ESPN is a monster that must be stopped. I’ve vowed to not watch any of their programming that isn’t live. I don’t miss much.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:17 AM
I was simply making a statement, whether you view it as a straight up brag is up to you.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:17 AM
I would think that the move to super conferences gets rid of the current bowl system eventually.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:18 AM
Relax, Lisk. We’re just giving you shit.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:19 AM
So, I straight up brag then?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:19 AM
Is the Big Ten’s academic reputation really that high? This is a serious question, and I went to Ohio State. I realize the Michigan and Northwestern are great schools then everyone else kinda clusters in that 2nd tier of academia
Yes. Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Ohio State and to some extent Illinois (I think) are all very good schools. MN, MSU and Indiana aren’t bad either. It’s not just academics either… B1G is HUGE on research, and all of those school spend huge amounts of money on that.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:19 AM
Unrelated, but this is worth linking. Probably one of the more thoughtful comments in recent memory: http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/08/31/former-nhl-player-wade-belak-found-dead-of-apparent-suicide/#comment-1415817
September 1st, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Sounds like Lisk does need his morning coffee
September 1st, 2011 at 10:20 AM
/and a morning wood quickie
September 1st, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Oh.. and all the math/engineer nerds go to Purdue.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:21 AM
Yes. It’s a very good league as far as academics. If only they didn’t suck at football…
September 1st, 2011 at 10:21 AM
It used to be, before they picked up unaccredited, non-AAU Nebraska.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:22 AM
The funny thing about the B10 saying academics are important is the inclusion of Nebraska. I’m pretty sure NEB is the worst school in the B10 from an academic standpoint.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:22 AM
Last time I listened to Lisk on that show there was Astros talk involved, never again
September 1st, 2011 at 10:23 AM
It used to be, before they picked up unaccredited, non-AAU Nebraska.
I had no idea Nebraska was as far down on the list as it was. I was pretty surprised.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:23 AM
The funny thing about the B10 saying academics are important is the inclusion of Nebraska.
It’s not just about academics. It’s about research $$, programs, etc.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:24 AM
Hockey TJ:
We have an arrest record. Looks like somebody did a little drink drink vroom vroom last night.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:24 AM
pretty sure illinois is a better school than OSU.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:24 AM
Last time I listened to Lisk on that show there was Astros talk involved, never again
Ha! This was actually a different station. I hope I’m not going to become part of a turf war on Houston.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:24 AM
Um, how is that exactly? you must not be all that familiar with Texas football.
/fuck Texas
September 1st, 2011 at 10:25 AM
It’s always about you, isn’t it.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:25 AM
The move to the B10 is perfect for NEB. The B12 was a joke, and the Big10 has the research cash to really help out their university.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:25 AM
also, the b10 would kill to add oklahoma.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:25 AM
pretty sure illinois is a better school than OSU.
That would make sense… OSU has 40? 50? thousand person student body. They have to let a majority of their applicants in.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:25 AM
Haha! Dickhead.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:26 AM
The move to the B10 is perfect for NEB.
I’m sure it took the regents at Nebraska about .000001 seconds to agree to that move.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:27 AM
something like that…tho admissions have been a lot more stringent recently, from what ive heard. but i really don’t care all that much about academics for a school i didn’t attend.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:27 AM
You’re forgetting Penn St and it’s huge academics as well. Probably on par with MSU, OSU, Wiscy. Also has one of the largest agricultural program in the country.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:27 AM
US News & World Reports 2011 (including ties):
12 – Northwestern, 29 – Michigan, 45 – Wisconsin, 47 – PSU/Ill, 56 – OSU/Purdue, 64 – Minn, 72 – Iowa, 75 – IU, 79 – Sparty, 104 – Nebraska
September 1st, 2011 at 10:28 AM
I know they have at least 6 of the Top 25 engineering schools
September 1st, 2011 at 10:29 AM
Exactly how I feel about Nebraska. Idiots make jokes about their academics like I give a shit. Dude, I didn’t fucking go there. Rip away.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:29 AM
there was nothing humble about that brag, that’s for sure.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:29 AM
Many of the B1G schools have made it more difficult to get in to. I know Iowa raised their standards. As did MSU, OSU, Wisky, ILL, Indiana and Minny.
I think PSU is the only one that hasn’t. They get so much private funding it’s disgusting. The public schools raise it in an effort to increase their ranking so as to appeal more to donors.
/former university foundation employee
September 1st, 2011 at 10:30 AM
They have 2 of the top 5. Illinois and Purdue.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:30 AM
US News & World Reports 2011 (including ties):
12 – Northwestern, 29 – Michigan, 45 – Wisconsin, 47 – PSU/Ill, 56 – OSU/Purdue, 64 – Minn, 72 – Iowa, 75 – IU, 79 – Sparty, 104 – Nebraska
I’d be interested to see the SEC. Vanderbilt……………………….Florida? Alabama? I wouldn’t even venture a guess as to who #2 would be. I know Ritty will chime in with Auburn’s ranking.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:31 AM
BYU was ESPN’s third thoice.
Danica Patrick and Tim Tebow already turned them down.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:31 AM
i can’t imagine the travel costs associated with some of the conference jumping. i bet A&M and Nebraska both increased their travel expenses by no less than $5 million/year.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:31 AM
PSU also has a huge rich alumni base. I know my relatives that went to PSU (dad, two uncles and a aunt) drop at least $10k in donations combined a year.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:31 AM
I still have no idea how I got accepted to PSU with my SAT score. I’m too ashamed to post it.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Wait, that says BWI. Is that boating while intoxicated?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:33 AM
i bet A&M and Nebraska both increased their travel expenses by no less than $5 million/year.
Is Illinois/Indiana that much farther from Nebraska than Austin and A&M? Penn State is the only real outlier. Getting into and out of State College is a fucking clusterfuck too.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:33 AM
UGA and UF are both top-20 public schools.
NEB said it was a $1 million dollar bump.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:33 AM
PSU also has a huge rich alumni base.
Most big schools have rich alumni bases yo.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:34 AM
They have one of the best foundations in the country. I think outside of the Ivy League and Stanford, no one is better than them. They used to raise more money in a fiscal year than Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana combined.
Strong alumni base. Plus, the only collegiate athletic program that gets a ton of private financial support in PA.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:35 AM
I had a 1210 and I would’ve had to start in summer session had I gone to PSU. This was in 2000.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:35 AM
We might be getting a post. We can figure it out then. I sent it to Chip.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:35 AM
I’m heading to PSU for the Alabama game next weekend. Pretty sure I’m going to die.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:36 AM
NEB said it was a $1 million dollar bump.
just for football or all sports?
if that was only $1 million, imagine what OU or TEX would have to fork out to join the PAC 12…
September 1st, 2011 at 10:36 AM
your fact-o-meter is set to sizzle and needs to be recalibrated back to rational.
why is the Big 12 crumbling and held together by silly putty? TAMU wants to leave on their own. I don’t hear anything about TTU, Okie State, Mizzou, or any other non-Texas/non-Okrahoma team wanting out. that is not crumbling. that is TAMU being little bitches.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:36 AM
I think it was for everything.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:36 AM
SEC –
17 – Vandy
53 – UF
56 – UGA
79 – Bama
85 – Auburn
104 – UT
111 – USC
September 1st, 2011 at 10:37 AM
just for football or all sports?
if that was only $1 million, imagine what OU or TEX would have to fork out to join the PAC 12…
pocket change for schools like OU and TX. Look at the Big East. Marquette’s women’s soccer team has to travel to Tampa to play USF on the road.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:37 AM
I’m heading to PSU for the Alabama game next weekend. Pretty sure I’m going to die.
going to turnt that faggy whiteout crimson.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:37 AM
I made the mistake of taking too many higher level classes in high school and getting B’s while kids from podunk towns who were their class valedictorians got into UW and flunked out after a year
/Bitter
//Still remains seated when Varsity plays at Badger games even a decade later
September 1st, 2011 at 10:38 AM
17 – Vandy
53 – UF
56 – UGA
79 – Bama
85 – Auburn
104 – UT
111 – USC
I see neither Mississippi school made that list. Color me shocked.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:38 AM
fucking-a, man.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Me too – but the only reason I’m going to die is because I’m ditching my one of my wife’s best friend’s weddings that day. She’s going solo.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:39 AM
how’s a pirate to captain his ship without a sip of rum, yarrr…..?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Vandy 17, FLa 53, UGA 56, A&M(?) 63, Bama 79, Auburn 85, Tenn 104, SC 111
September 1st, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Exactly.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:39 AM
I think it’s starting to show some serious cracks. Not in the foundation, but the rest of it is looking mighty shaky.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:39 AM
The current CEO’s of Nike, US Steel, ADM, Verizon Wireless and the president of the AFL-CIO are all Penn State grads
September 1st, 2011 at 10:39 AM
oh my. that’s not good.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Attending weddings when you aren’t single sucks.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:40 AM
The second the CEO of Nike tries to put any money into PSU, Phil Knight will swoop in an cut him off at the knees.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:40 AM
The current CEO’s of Nike, US Steel, ADM, Verizon Wireless and the president of the AFL-CIO are all Penn State grads
/whips out dick
//measures
///UW has the most CEO’s of fortune 500 companies
////wanking motion
/////nobody cares
September 1st, 2011 at 10:41 AM
UNT’s got dr. phil.
/polishes medals
September 1st, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Marquette’s women’s soccer team has to travel to Tampa to play USF on the road
flying 15 girls to tampa = 12k
flying 50 football players, coaches, traininers, equip, etc to washginton from tx = 200k
September 1st, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Mine was lower, but my high school is literally Penn State grade 13th-16th. I think 150 out of 700 students in my class went. I guess they accept everyone.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:42 AM
If it were Ind. St. this weekend, I’d be happy to skip the game. But not ALA.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:43 AM
if it makes you feel any better (or your wife, for that matter), i totally understand and agree.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Attending them single can be just as shitty. Weddings in general are not fun.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Private schools tend to look at your parents’ tax returns and ResearchPoint profiles before they look at your transcripts.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:44 AM
OSU has Pryor and RL Stine — beat that!
September 1st, 2011 at 10:44 AM
If I head to Lion’s Den, and it’s $1 long island’s for happy hour. Game over.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:44 AM
flying 15 girls to tampa = 12k
flying 50 football players, coaches, traininers, equip, etc to washginton from tx = 200k
Yeah.. but Marquette doesn’t have a football program to offset the costs of the other sports. All of their money comes from CBB, and they play in an Arena they don’t own and have a hard time selling out against non-top tier opponents. The University of Texas wipes its ass with 200K.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:45 AM
You must be doing it wrong.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:45 AM
I thought OU was one of the top public universities in the country, at least that is what I remember their commericals telling me during FB games.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Weddings aren’t fun unless you’re a groomsmen/bridesmaid
September 1st, 2011 at 10:46 AM
The way the Pac-16 was going to end up last year – it wouldn’t have increased Oklahoma/Texas school travel costs much if at all, they’d play about the same teams except Utah and the Arizona schools instead of the Kansas schools and Iowa State. In non revenue sports they would have only played their division schools – 2 okla, 2 Texas, 2 Arizona, Colorado and Utah. In football it would have been those schools plus maybe 1 trip (2 games home and away) to the West Coast division schools.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:47 AM
don’t worry everybody, I just called the police.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:48 AM
James Carville and Shaquille O’Neal
/Love Shaq University–Can you dig it?
September 1st, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Yep. I have always has a blast when I am a groomsmen. But just attending a wedding….sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiittttttttttttttt. No one gives a damn about your special day.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Yep. I have always has a blast when I am a groomsmen. But just attending a wedding….sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiittttttttttttttt. No one gives a damn about your special day.
Amen.. it all depends on the bride really.. if she’s cool and just wants everybody to have a good time and doesn’t worry about the small stuff, the wedding is generally a good time. If she’s all “look at me, it’s my day, you’re all here to shower me with attention” then they usually suck.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:51 AM
16 minute ceremony for me. No pictures after, party for 3.5 hours with minimal interruptions (dance, toats, etc). We still compliments.
/notahumblebrag
September 1st, 2011 at 10:52 AM
If there’s an open bar, the wedding can and will be fun. Loosen your ties, dudes.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:53 AM
16 minute ceremony for me. No pictures after, party for 3.5 hours with minimal interruptions (dance, toats, etc). We still compliments.
I’m going to need your blueprint for how you got that accomplished for when I get married in … oh 15 years.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:53 AM
I thought when came to academics, Pac12 > Big10? Not that the Big10 is the SEC or anything.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:54 AM
You should all come back with stories implying you banged a chick in the pool in front of your family, but then take it back and say you only made out with a chick in the pool in front of your family.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:54 AM
The Wife does wedding planning a second job, knew where to spend the money (photographer, no flowers) and preferred getting down to showing off. Money.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Fuck I don’t even care if its a pay bar. Just have one.
/went to a dry wedding once
September 1st, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Karl Ravech
David Boreanaz
Robert Iger
Gorilla Monsoon (All American wrestler)
It’s a great day to be a Bomber!
September 1st, 2011 at 10:55 AM
I thought when came to academics, Pac12 > Big10?
Any conference with Arizona State can not be considered a good academic conference. There’s no way that’s true.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Truest of truthy things right here. Free alcohol is almost always a good time.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:55 AM
I hope you left them a box of fresh Wyoming air for a gift.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:56 AM
The Pac-10 has 5 good schools and 5 pretty bad schools. Stanford and Cal are the very top. USC, UCLA and Washington are in the top 50 or top 20 depending on which list you look at. The other 5 not so much
September 1st, 2011 at 10:56 AM
We had a 25 minute ceremony, 1 hour of pics while the cocktail hour was going on and 4 hours of pretty heavy drinking at the reception. We did everything from 5pm-11pm. And there was a bar at the inn/hotel where the wedding was, so we drank until 2am.
Priorities people…
September 1st, 2011 at 10:56 AM
The Pac-10 has 5 good schools and 5 pretty bad schools. Stanford and Cal are the very top. USC, UCLA and Washington are in the top 50 or top 20 depending on which list you look at. The other 5 not so muc
This… Pac 10 is really good at the top, but their bottom feeders really bring them down overall.
September 1st, 2011 at 10:58 AM
Thanks for the info Bueller. Where do Colorado and Utah fit in to this?
September 1st, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Arkansas is #132. sounds about right.
September 1st, 2011 at 11:02 AM
I don’t know about them I don’t think they are great but I remember as a kid, if you wanted to be an astronaut, you went to Colorado so I always assumed the school isn’t too bad. I’ve heard Boulder is fun also.
September 1st, 2011 at 11:04 AM
The tail at ASU more than makes up for the academic deficiency.
September 1st, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Um, how is that exactly? you must not be all that familiar with Texas football.
/fuck Texas
Am I the only one that remembers this team having like 3-4 very good seasons since like forever? And they play in a conference with 1 yes 1 powerhouse team?? It wasnt all that long ago that Bob Stoops literally OWNED Mack Brown…someone correct me if Im wrong but its not like they have been an annual powerhouse for 20 years.