Texas A&M Has Left the Big 12. So Who Will the SEC Invite as the 14th Team, Missouri or Virginia Tech?
Texas A&M officially withdrew from the Big 12 this morning – the departure will be by June 30, 2012 – which means that the opening weekend of college football will be interrupted by incessant realignment chatter. Among the many, many questions you’ll be hearing from today through the weekend …
Who will the SEC take as the 14th team?
Will the SEC go after Virginia Tech?
Will the SEC go after Missouri?
Will the SEC stay at 13 teams?
If the SEC goes to 14, what will the Pac-12 do? Will the Pac-12 expand to 14?
If the SEC goes to 14, what will the Big 10 do? Will the Big 10 expand to 14?
Who will the Big 12 scramble to invite in hopes of keeping the league together?
If the Big 12 can’t lure any good teams, will Texas go independent?
If Texas goes independent, what becomes of Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. and Missouri?
And perhaps most important … how will ESPN cover it all?
Take a deep breath: only three days until the debut of College GameDay, and only about 80 hours until the season kicks off with LSU vs. Oregon and Boise St. vs. Georgia.
If conference realignment isn’t your bag, you can always dive head first into our 2011 college football previews: SEC, Big 12, Pac 10, ACC, Big East & Big Ten. All-American senior, junior and freshman teams. And the All-Time All-SEC team.
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August 31st, 2011 at 11:46 AM
I still don’t understand the allure of Missouri…
August 31st, 2011 at 11:48 AM
I would love to see the ratings of a top-25 ranked Mizzou game vs. another top-25 team compared to a top-10 SEC team playing another top-10 SEC team. It’s about the brand, not the exposure. Put the best football on the field, it’ll be an ESPN prime time game and more people in and around Missouri will watch it than, say, a Mizzou vs. top-25 game.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Perhaps the TCU jump to the Big East was a bit premature. They’d be an obvious contender otherwise.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:51 AM
It’s the dual KC/STL market base, nothing more
August 31st, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Florida State seems more likely.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:55 AM
aggie, hope its worth getting your shit pushed in even harder all because texas can show spring tennis on the tv.
this makes zero sense for a&m. zero.
August 31st, 2011 at 11:55 AM
You know, I believe the same thing….but I’ll be goddamned if we don’t get fucked multiple times a year in having to watch some shitty match up because it’s “regional” as opposed to a much better game. I suppose this goes on everywhere, but why do I give a fuck about a Big 12 team playing a scrub opponent? I’d somewhat understand if there were two ranked teams playing with the B12 involved, but that’s never the case.
/end of incoherrent rant
August 31st, 2011 at 11:56 AM
meth?
August 31st, 2011 at 11:58 AM
I still don’t understand the allure of Missouri…
Finding a bitch for Vandy?
August 31st, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Florida State seems more likely.
No. Nothing to be gained at all here. Especially the already captive north and central FL tv markets.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:00 PM
ECU to SEC? Come get you some of that NC television/recruiting market. You know you want to stab eastward, so why wait?!?!
/i’ll hang up and take the answer off the air.
//in all seriousness, ECU should land somewhere reasonably important.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:01 PM
No chance.
If I had to bet money…I’d bet it on Maryland.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Undaunted? They are going to take an undaunted ass-whipping on Saturday nite from Marcus, Alshon, & the rest of the boys…
August 31st, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Can they back out? (that’s what she said)
August 31st, 2011 at 12:04 PM
UCLA.
/about as good a guess as anyone right now
August 31st, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Highly likely, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t compete in a major conference. They already bat around .500 against BCS schools, so give them a few years to get that same caliber of recruit as the big boys and they could compete year in and year out.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:07 PM
This is the argument I don’t get.
Say FSU gets added to the SEC. Say they’re really good again next year. So, #5 FSU plays @ #10 Georgia. This gets _____ viewers.
Let’s say the SEC adds Missouri. I don’t think Missouri has longevity in the top-10 at all but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt here…
#24 Missouri plays @ #10 Georgia. This gets _____ viewers.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:08 PM
That’s why the Big East moved that quick to get TCU even with no other firm plans to expand. I think they forced TCU’s hand and TCU didn’t want to get left out in case the Big 12 just stayed as is.
It would be hilarious if A&M leaves the Big 12 and the SEC says ,”nah, we’re good.”
August 31st, 2011 at 12:09 PM
More pressing question: which SEC team will be Bob Stoops be linked to first?
/old hat
August 31st, 2011 at 12:10 PM
If I had to bet money…I’d bet it on Maryland.
@Jay V: what makes you say this?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Have to wonder if with this endowment everyone keeps talking about and the supposed rabid fan base of aTm, if they could afford to be an independent team.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Let’s all remember that gamecock football was pretty much in the crapper before they came into the SEC.
Say Missouri gets added to the SEC. Say they’re really good again next year. So, #5 Missouri plays @ #10 Georgia. This gets _____ viewers.
Let’s say the SEC adds FSU. I don’t think FSU has longevity in the top-10 at all but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt here…
#24 FSU plays @ #10 Georgia. This gets _____ viewers.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Honestly? Raid Houston from Conf. USA. Why? Another Texas team and the traveling will be easy for LSU, Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc. Plus, another doormat will be needed.
/waves at Vandy
August 31st, 2011 at 12:12 PM
The SEC isn’t going to add a school from a state that they already own. That means Clemson, Free Shoe and now any other Texas school makes little sense. I think WVU would be a good fit, but so would Maryland, actually. Having said all of that, I actually want the SEC to stand pat at 12, but I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
If I had to bet money…I’d bet it on Maryland.
I would like this a lot. If they had only hired Leach … (begin dream sequence of throwing 70 passes per game.)
August 31st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in that scenerio, FSU/GA wouldn’t be shown in the KC/STL market, so the game with Mizzu would get many many more viewers.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
I think this depends on whether the SEC wants to start their own network and sell it to cable subscribers in KC and St. Louis. That’s really the only way Missouri makes sense, and even still it makes less sense than say, Rutgers, Temple, or Maryland.
I have a feeling the 14th team (if they even expand) is not going to be a top 10-15 caliber program like VaTech or FSU. The SEC is tough enough already.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Ahem: http://www.smu2b12.com/
/major homer’d
August 31st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
The best thing about this is that it shows what a fuck Dan Beebe is (in case anyone was still doubting that)
August 31st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
It’s not about viewers for one game. Your leverage in your TV deal negotiation is all about how big your footprint is, and how many POTENTIAL viewers you have for all the games on your slate. FSU doesn’t make it any bigger.
Missouri isn’t getting added though.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:15 PM
FSU has a much beter chance at staying in the top-20 than does Missouri. Much better.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Ahem: http://www.smu2b12.com/
They’re technique is all wrong. A slow and steady suck just doesn’t do it. They need a slow and steady slurp with an in-and-out motion.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Fail *Their. doh
August 31st, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Don’t care. Get back to me when it actually happens. ESPN and the rest of the media have whiffed for the past year on this conference realignment stuff.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:17 PM
The Big 12 is dead. I think that’s the only thing I can really draw for certain right now.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:17 PM
I would love Leach in the SEC. He’d be good for some money quotes, but he’d never win more than 8 games.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:17 PM
menarky – why does this make zero sense for a&m? they join a more stable conference with equal revenue sharing and more enticing opponents. can you honestly say that the big 12 will be around in 5 years?
let me ask this where would you rather go see games? ames, manhattan, and waco? or would you rather travel to gainesville, or tuscaloosa, or baton rouge?
why is no one writing or saying anything about a conference with ‘leadership’ that has allowed nebraska, colorado, and now texas a&m to leave?
sec is run by good people. b1g is run by good people. the big 12 is run by morons.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:18 PM
A slow and steady suck just doesn’t do it. They need a slow and steady slurp with an in-and-out motion.
One assumes they’re already on their knees, BTW.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:19 PM
why is no one writing or saying anything about a conference with ‘leadership’ that has allowed nebraska, colorado, and now texas a&m to leave?
sec is run by good people. b1g is run by good people. the big 12 is run by
moronsTexas./fixed
August 31st, 2011 at 12:20 PM
All of this. Beebe has to be viewed as a massive failure.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:20 PM
No, the FSU game is on at 7 on ESPN. The Missouri game gets picked up by the SEC Network. For arguments sake, say they come on at the same time, both are available on all TV’s.
I understand having a new “footprint” but I think a national brand (FSU) is going to do better than a regional one (Mizzou).
August 31st, 2011 at 12:21 PM
A source close to me that is familiar with the situation is reporting: Texas A&M to the WAC, UVA & VPI & UMD to the SEC, ACC dissolves and the Florida teams, including FSU/UF/The U, all go join the Sun Belt.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Let’s get West Virginia in as the 14th member. Among the reasons:
1) They’re gonna sell beer at their home games.
2) Coach Dana Holgorsen likes the casinos.
3) LB Branko Busick was arrested this summer in an armed robbery case, bringing along both the requisite off-field criminal activity and an awesome football name.
Party down in Sunnyside!
August 31st, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Notre Dame. Book it.
/ESPN
August 31st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
I think the leadership is trumped by the shitty teams in the conference as well as the original bylaws of the organization that has allowed for all of this.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Clemson would make sense as they have the over-inflated sense of self that would fit right in.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Yup. Those wacky offenses never work in the SEC. Remember when that crackpot Urban Meyer tried to run that fad nonsense? Now he’s unemployed, just as predicted.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
I want the Big 12 to fold, and for OU to join the Pac-16.
/Team Four 16-team Power Conferences
August 31st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
A couple of things I’ve heard in the past week. I think the SEC wants Va Tech more than any other team, but there are some serious hurdles with the Virginia legislature.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
A source close to me that
is familiar with the situationsells me my crack is reporting: Texas A&M to the WAC, UVA & VPI & UMD to the SEC, ACC dissolves and the Florida teams, including FSU/UF/The U, all go join the Sun Belt.August 31st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
If the Big 12 adds SMU….well.
And why not go for a full 12-team conference now? They really need to admit they were wrong and admit BYU, TCU, and someone else.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Losing Colorado seems like pretty good leadership, at least from an athletics standpoint. Unless the conference shares weed
August 31st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
He’s right. A&M will need a stable source of money since their merchandise revenues are subpar and their athletic department is always treading water. It’s a safe move for them.
Good luck to the Aggies.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Yup. Those wacky offenses never work in the SEC. Remember when that crackpot Urban Meyer tried to run that fad nonsense? Now he’s unemployed, just as predicted.
This.
reference Gus Malzahn.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
A source close to me that is familiar with the situation that sells me my crack
You had an unnecessary strikethrough and left out a word.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
Ritty, you’re really missing the point, it has nothing to do with xxxx viewers for any single game, it has to do with “xxxx viewers are in SEC country.” I don’t think they are adding Mizzou, but that’s the logic.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
A couple of things I’ve heard in the past week. I think the SEC wants Va Tech more than any other team, but there are some serious hurdles with the Virginia legislature.
Thanks, I knew you would have some kind of basis for throwing that out there…
August 31st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
ty – i know that beebe is deloss’ lap dog and that texas calls the shots in the big 12.
i am honestly disappointed that the conference is coming apart – but once the huskers and the buffs left it was only a matter of time.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
The KC market isn’t as good as you think (didn’t think?)
There are a ton of KU fans in this market, so you aren’t really gaining much by that. Can’t speak for the StL market, but fuck them anyway.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
I was wondering on how Missouri’s record looks against the SEC overall and over the last 4 of so years and just looked it up…
Missouri has a winning record against 9 of the current SEC teams in football
The last meeting against a SEC team was the cotton bowl beatdown against Arkansas 38-7 that Arkansas was supposed to win handily
AP Final Polls 2010 #18, 2009 nr, 2008 #19, 2007 #4
Last 4 years total 40 wins
Seems to me that we would be happy with a team in the SEC like this.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
I think this is the least of concerns for the SEC. it’s all about money and viewers (money), not how good/tough whatever teams they go after are.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
why dont the just do like the nfl and make 6-8 regional areas of 12-14 teams each? it is getting out of hand. Just have ESPN and to lesser extend CBS and FOX throw billions at the ncaa and turn it into one mega league.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
If the Big 12 adds SMU….well.
And why not go for a full 12-team conference now? They really need to admit they were wrong and admit BYU, TCU, and someone else.
That would be pretty cool if that happened actually. But BYU is said to only be interested if Notre Dame is interested in joining as well. And for reasons previously discussed here, I can’t see that happening.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
I understand that. I just think “SEC Country” could be redefined similar to how the Cowboys are “America’s Team.” Put the best product on the field and location is secondary.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Never running the ball is not something that takes too well to the SEC. You can’t just pass the ball 50 times a week and expect to win. Hell, you can barely do that in the B12. I think TT had one year of 10+ wins, no?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
ritty – agreed that there are some really really awful teams. some of the teams never should have been invited in the first place *cough baylor with your 18-102 record in the conf cough*.
big 12 was a local conference that did not do much to attract or distinguish itself to a nationwide tv audience.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
I don’t think BYU would do it now as they seem fully committed to trying out independence but I think they would have a year ago.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
I think this could all be solved by sending Notre Dame AND Bob Stoops to the SEC…
August 31st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
This is why adding A&M and (hypothetically) WVU/Maryland would be epic for the SEC. They get kickass TV markets and they avoid adding a perennial power that will rock the boat.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:33 PM
the thought of adding byu to the big 12 is a joke. the conference just got rid of one of the most fanatical and strangest fan bases in the country and now you want to add the same basic group with religion to boot?
not saying it will not happen but that’s high comedy imho.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
I have a question. Why wouldn’t Oklahoma consider going to the SEC?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:35 PM
So you’d rather pass up a team that has more history than half the conference for SMU?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I think they’re tied to Oklahoma St. So the SEC would have to take A&M, OU, OSU, and then a fourth team. Which would be awesome but not likely.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I think they’re tied with OKST, and I don’t think either side wants to hook up. OU doesn’t want to deal with the SEC and the SEC doesn’t want to deal with OU. I would bet OU goes independent before they’d go to the SEC. I just assume the Pac 16 will have Texas, OU, OKST and Mizzou.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
This is why adding A&M and (hypothetically) WVU/Maryland would be epic for the SEC. They get kickass TV markets and they avoid adding a perennial power that will rock the boat.
This makes sense to me, its just hard for me to see Maryland (and to a lesser extent WV) as an SEC team….don’t have a reason just my “perception” I guess.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I think they would, but little brother (T. Boone Pickens U.) has to tail along, and I don’t see the SEC being interested in that. plus the stench of Okrahoma on the SEC would be too much to stand.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Isn’t Maryland a founding member of the ACC? I think that’s why it’s weird
August 31st, 2011 at 12:38 PM
menarky – why does this make zero sense for a&m? they join a more stable conference with equal revenue sharing and more enticing opponents. can you honestly say that the big 12 will be around in 5 years?
1) they are not very competitive in the big 12. they will not fare any better in the SEC.
2) they will not make out THAT much better financially in the SEC. They get a top tier split in the BIG 12, as well as the COLO/NEB penalty money (20MM) from last year. that will be given back, on top of breach of contract suits from Fox. They stand to make about a million more a year(i compared current contract with fox to a new SEC contract that certainly will surpass the new PAC 12 contract)
3) recruiting will suffer.
4) A&M will be a pariah in texas football. this will hurt more than you think.
5) yeah, road trips to athens/baton rouge are more attractive to waco/manhatten. that is a novelty that will wear off quick. most of my aggie friends are MEH to the idea of travelling that far to watch a mediocre team.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:38 PM
dr tom – not at all. honestly i think that the big 12 needs to add some fresh faces and establish some new rivalries. i have nothing at all against smu – but there is absolutely no reason to try to reinvent the old failed swc.
i was just trying to be ironic is all.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Put the best product on the field and location is secondary.
I think no one disagrees with part one.
“location is secondary” is more complicated. Even the NFL is regional and fans drop on/off before/after “their” games are done.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Funny. I seem to remember Tim Couch and Kentucky going from garbage to a decent team pretty much overnight when they brought in a new coach and OC to run some “crazy” offense where they throw the ball 50 times a week.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:43 PM
This.
Don’t worry, though. We’re back to garbage.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Decent. Exactly. Nothing more than decent. LIke, say, 8-9 wins on a good year.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
I still don’t understand the allure of Missouri…
You clearly have never been to our strip clubs
August 31st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Money wins out over loyalty 9999/10000 in life, especially sports.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
What about the Fun n Gun?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
yeah, and the most games they won in a season was 8, so you pretty much just proved his point.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:46 PM
all the good ones are in East St. Louis though.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:47 PM
Kentucky went 7-5 during Couch’s best year. Yeah…bravo.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:48 PM
menarky
i will not argue point number one a&m has not been all that competitive in football in the big 12. the other sports will compete well with the sec.
the 20 million has yet to be produced. it was an estimated number that beebe came up with for texas, oklahoma, and a&m.
the fox deal has not been signed by any members of the big 12. agreed to in principle but not signed. i am not a lawyer but in texas fox could not sue a&m since a&m is a state institution. fox may sue the big 12, but since it has not been signed. best of luck with that.
recruiting may suffer i honestly do not see this move being a positive or a negative on recruiting.
why will a&m be a pariah? this i dont follow at all. was texas going to be a pariah when they were going to shaft the big 12 and go to the pac 10?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:48 PM
What about Spurrier in the ’90s?
August 31st, 2011 at 12:48 PM
That stopped working in the mid 90′s. In today’s SEC you have to be able to run the football to win big. Yes, you can get to 8 wins (maybe even 9) without it, but that’s about all you can hope for.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:48 PM
You’re either right, or Leach took a job somewhere else, and the team promptly returned to garbage. One of those two things is definitely the case.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:49 PM
That was 15 years ago.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:51 PM
Winter’s Bone explained it to me.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:53 PM
I understand the reasons for Maryland going, I was just offering a reason for why it would seem weird.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:53 PM
So you’d rather pass up a team that has more history than half the conference for SMU?
Hey now, we’re an up and comer and doing it on the up and up this time. Which is less than I can say for a lot of other schools in the country.
August 31st, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Or is it more than I can say….I don’t know. I’ve been sick since Sunday.
August 31st, 2011 at 1:00 PM
the 20 million has yet to be produced. it was an estimated number that beebe came up with for texas, oklahoma, and a&m.
the fox deal has not been signed by any members of the big 12. agreed to in principle but not signed. i am not a lawyer but in texas fox could not sue a&m since a&m is a state institution. fox may sue the big 12, but since it has not been signed. best of luck with that.
recruiting may suffer i honestly do not see this move being a positive or a negative on recruiting.
why will a&m be a pariah? this i dont follow at all. was texas going to be a pariah when they were going to shaft the big 12 and go to the pac 10?
they did get the money, it got a&m’s athletic department out of the red.
from what i hear, a contract with fox was signed in april. so a suit will be enforceable.
aggie/aggie alums will not be in the conversation anymore when it comes to football. texas wouldnt have been if they joined the pac 12 b/c they were going with ou/osu/tt. aggie is going at this alone. easy concept.
August 31st, 2011 at 1:24 PM
I think ATM is a logical fit for the SEC. Unfortunately they may be the only one at this time which may hold this up. I cannot see the SEC going to 13.
August 31st, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Hullabaloo Caneck Caneck!
August 31st, 2011 at 1:59 PM
UT and their army of ignorant t-shirt fans just can’t seem to put together how A&M doesn’t want or need them anymore. UTexas has gotten too big for it’s breeches. You can’t push around other big schools anymore. You’re not the most attractive girl at the dance anymore.
Enjoy your Texas & Friends conference while it lasts.
August 31st, 2011 at 2:01 PM
August 31st, 2011 at 2:12 PM
You’re not the most attractive girl at the dance anymore.
so what does that make aggie? a blow job slut who is mad b/c the qb of the high school doesnt want to go out with a drill team girl?
August 31st, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Looks like the Terps won’t be asked to join the SEC anytime soon…
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August 31st, 2011 at 2:37 PM
i just want to follow your logic – a&m leaves on their own accord = pariah.
a&m, texas, tech, and baylor telling smu, tcu, rice and houston – laters all we are going to the big 12 = non pariah?
texas, ou, osu, tech to the pac 10 = non pariah because more than one were going.
agree to disagree. i just wish that this move by a&m would force the college football hand and make superconferences and get rid of the damned popularity contest bowl game garbage and get a real playoff system.
August 31st, 2011 at 3:24 PM
You know who is awfully quiet in all of this conference expansion? Jim Delaney.
It would not shock me one iota if he is working behind to scenes to somehow get Texas A&M. Delaney was trying to get Syracuse and Rutgers and even dabbled with Maryland all for the TV markets.
If he can’t get Syracuse/Maryland, Dallas/Houston markets would be better than Washington/Baltimore.
If TCU can be in the Big East, why not Texas A&M in the Big Ten?
August 31st, 2011 at 3:30 PM
addendum: If I recall correctly, didn’t Jim Delaney flirt with Texas just before the Big XII was formed?