Yardwork: Giants Bullpen is a Mess, and David Price Sets Franchise Record
The San Francisco Giants split a four game series with the Astros over the weekend, which is pathetic in its own right and deserving of plenty of mockery, especially when you consider Houston is such a gimme on the road at a ridiculously sad 21-48. Of great concern for the defending champs in addition to wilted toothpick bats is their putrid bullpen. Two of their last three losses have come thanks to the absence of Brian Wilson and the unsettling presence of Ramon Ramirez. In his last four innings of contribution, Ramirez has allowed five hits and three runs. For a team struggling mightily to score, late innings meltdowns from relievers are about as welcome as an El Guapo sex tape. The Giants have amazingly fallen four games back of Arizona, however they do face the D-Backs six more times in the final month of the season.
Nonetheless, panic remains apparent as the Giants have not ruled out the return of Barry Zito. In order to make room on the 40-man roster for pitcher Eric Surkamp, they opted to instead designate Clayton Tanner for assignment in the hopes that the injured Zito can return within the next couple of weeks to contribute… something. Additionally and unfortunately, there is still no timetable for Brian Wilson’s return. To summarize, the sky isn’t falling in San Francisco just yet, but it’s definitely raining bowling balls.
Rays 12, Blue Jays 0 — David Price set a franchise record by striking out 14 Blue Jays, all of which presumably failed to steal signs. The first seven outs Price recorded were strikeouts. It’s too bad the Rays play in the AL East, they are too good of a team to have absolutely no part in the playoff race. They have a better winning percentage than the Tigers, but they’re just playing for pride the rest of the way. So whats up with Toronto? Was the “man in white” hungover? And what’s going on with Joey Bats? He went 0-for-4 with three strikeouts.
Royals 2, Indians 1 — Bruce Chen went 7 2-3 innings and allowed a run on five hits. When Mr. Chen and the Royals are the ones preventing you from gaining ground in a division race, it’s time to look in the mirror and give yourself the finger. Jim Thome pinch-hit in the eighth inning and struck out swinging. Making trades based on emotion are often the ones that never work out. Hopefully everyone in Cleveland has learned a valuable life lesson from this.
Twins 11, Tigers 4 — Brad Penny sports one of the more improbable, unexpected boink resumes in all of baseball, which may or may not influence his inspiration to pitch well. Seven runs in five innings is probably not what Leyland was looking for yesterday. Oh well, I’m sure he was more than happy to go home and play the ass bongos on his fiancee’s booty. Then again you can’t exactly complain when your team has won 8 of 10. Detroit’s lead over the White Sox remains at six games.
Brewers 3, Cubs 2 — Zack Greinke gave up one run over 7 2-3 innings, thus increasing my ever-growing adoration for this Brewers team. They’re going to be fun in October. With the exception of Greinke’s recent flop against the Pirates, he’s given up two runs or less in 9 of his last 10 outings. He smells October and whatever that welcoming scent is, it certainly doesn’t smell like Kansas City.
O’s 2, Yanks 0; Yanks 8, O’s 3 — The Yankees wasted a wonderful start from Bloat-olo Colon (7.2 IP, 2 ER) in Game 1, but not to be outshone was O’s starter Zach Britton. The rookie shutout the Yanks for seven innings, allowing just four hits. Kevin Gregg worked the ninth and miraculously only served up one hit. Ivan Nova started the second game so it was a forgone conclusion that the Yankees would score at least eight runs, and they did. Curtis Granderson went 3-for-5 with two home runs. His beefy numbers continue to ride the wave of absurdity.
D-Backs 6, Padres 1 — I have no doubt in my mind that Ian Kennedy often looks at the NL and softly whispers, “you complete me.” Yesterday he held the listless Padres to six hits and one run over seven innings. Hooray. Wake me when he does this against the Phillies.
Rangers 9, Angels 5 — Pitching Jered Weaver on three days rest? Well that appears to have worked out well. The Rangers lead is back to three games. These two don’t see each other again until the final three games of the season in Anaheim.
Reds 5, Nats 4, 14 innings — I feel obliged to mention this game because it lasted 14 innings, so here we go: Joey Votto won it on a walkoff solo shot, his second home run of the game. The. End. Does everyone realize Jayson Werth is hitting .231 with 16 homers, 49 RBI and sports an OPS of .718? Disastrous wouldn’t come to close to accurately summarizing his performance this season. To put it in perspective, even Kansas City’s Alex Gordon has run circles around Werth’s numbers. For shame, Edge, for shame.
Were you born a Cardinals fan? This guy was:
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August 29th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Hey, now the Braves get to make up an entire series with the Mets. Thanks Hurricane Irene!
August 29th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
pokes hernia with stick.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:40 AM
rays are allowed to have franchise records? what…he broke scott kazmir’s legendary 6 strikeout performance in a 7-2 loss against the red sox?
August 29th, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Alex Gordon is 7th in the AL in WAR. Wow, just wow.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:43 AM
This is almost as bad as when Jamal Lewis broke Jim Brown’s single game rushing record.
/needlessly poking the bee hive
August 29th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
That’s a sick line, and when I say sick, I mean the Phillies likely suffered from food poisoning that night.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Him and Frenchy are lovin’ life in KC.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Will Clark needs to buy a suit that fits. Brad Penny must have a gigantic peen. Dude’s resume is like Jeter Lite.
Grandy for MVP if we’re having that discussion today.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
The captions to both pictures are glorious.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Grandy for MVP if we’re having that discussion today.
+1
August 29th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
He’s hitting something like .255 since that story came out.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:49 AM
he looks like he’s got some sermonizin’ to do.
AND THE LAWD-AH WILL BRING SALVATION-AH IF YOU BELIEVE-AH. HAVE FAITH, GOD’S CHILDREN-AH.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Giants bullpen is a mess right now but not nearly as bad as their offense. If Cain and Timmy were pitching for any other NL team their records would be significantly better.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
State your case but please make it better than “The Yanks would be sunk without him” because a) that’s not true (a team with a $220M payroll isn’t reliant on one hitter much less one who’s third best in his own division) and b) Bautista’s been better at baseball this season
August 29th, 2011 at 10:51 AM
shit, I made it 19 seconds. that was fucking terrible.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
Walk up to the wrong taco truck at 2AM and your life can change.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
/dougies
We really need some fucking pitching.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Viciedo presents an interesting fantasy baseball option for the rest of the year. May have to take a peek at him this week.
Am I allowed to complain about Lance Briggs yet? Because he can go find a doorknob and hump it.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Brad Penny and some chick he plows
And if you look closely in the Will Clark picture, there is a picture of a dude that plows Will Clark.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
I for one am rooting for the D-backs. Decent rotation with a few surprise players. This team isn’t great, but they are good enough to make some noise in the playoffs.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Colin Cowherd hearts CRM!
August 29th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
This. He leads the league in WAR, wOBA, and other useful metrics. Of course, he also has a .640 SLG% and 37 HRs, one less than Granderson.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
AL MVP should be Joey Bats. Much more valuable to his team than Grandy is.
Plus a higher WAR as well.
NV MVP = Kemp
/posted in the wrong thread
August 29th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
I give you my case in this simple YouTube clip.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Russian broads have horrible fashion sense.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:58 AM
OT…us amateur rant.
our nation’s most prestigious amateur event is a fucking sham. these college kids have had PROFESSIONAL training since they were in fucking grade school. they have PROFESSIONAL facilities at junior golf academies and at colleges. they have resources at their disposal that TRUE amateurs do not have and it’s a fucking joke.
August 29th, 2011 at 10:58 AM
But enough about the BCS Championship…
August 29th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Oooookay then, good discussion
August 29th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
It was SC. He’s a Yankees fan (among other things) and doesn’t enjoy looking at sabermetrics.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Very true, but that was one incredible looking course. I think it got added to the must play list for me.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
this true. jelena and svetlana look like they make dress out of tablecloth. but you know what comrade stalin say…”man must ride vespa even if he have mercedes.”
August 29th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Shit, you can use old-timey counting stats as well to make the case for Bautista…any argument for Granderson boils down to him having the good fortune of playing on a good team
August 29th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Anyone who wants to join my ESPN pick’em group (top 8 make the playoffs, then there is a bracket and you make picks in the playoffs until head-to-head Superbowl), feel free to twitter or email message me (both are widewordofsport@gmail.com).
PS My wife is two-time defending champ, using a Packers victory to launch her to the title from a 6th seed.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
erin hills >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whistling straits
probably why the USGA likes it and left whistling for the PGA’s “sloppy seconds” list.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Bautista has been pretty mortal since the break. If he keeps that current pace, Grandy will surpass him in most categories (except walks and average) by the end of September.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Considering Grandy is geting tons of fastballs ahead of Tex, ARod and Cano, not exactly sure why people aren’t looking at his splits against FB, CB, CUp, Slider
August 29th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
More homers. 5x as many triples and 4x as many stolen bases. Grandy gets bad marks on those spreadsheets because he actually tries to hit the ball instead of taking the easy way out with a walk.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Holy hell…this is a joke right
August 29th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
This is just another one of clown’s jokes I don’t get, right?
August 29th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
I won’t argue against OPS and the like… but I will argue against this. You hit what’s thrown at you. It’s not Granderson’s fault for getting more fastballs.
Besides, Bautista knows what’s coming 81 games a year.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
I can only assume you guys hated Bobby Abreu in his time there, or any of the other Yankee hitters who work the count and stretch games out into four hour affairs
August 29th, 2011 at 11:10 AM
Because that requires work, something your average Bill Plaschke isn’t willing to do.
Uh…Granderson has drawn his fair share of walks, just not nearly as many as Bautista, who walks 20% of the time to lead the majors by a whole lot.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
OBP home: .451
OBP away: .452
August 29th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
If only his home/road splits weren’t so similar
August 29th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Like it or not, Bautista playing in the dead zone that is Toronto hurts his case.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
I’m not picky, I’ll do both in one trip. Some of the shots guys were having to play out of that fescue was crazy. Looks like it needs a few more years to thin out.
Chambers bay in ’15, Erin Hills in ’17. USGA is making some very interesting choices.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
The last two AL Cy Young votes provide hope here, I’m sure Sabathia would dejectedly agree
August 29th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
You are right, and the NCAA (basketball) Tournament should go to whoever got to the Final Four AND beat the most low-seeded teams… forget about the results of minor details like “games”
/if they do exist
August 29th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
now we’re talkin.
yep. now if only they’d let real amateurs in instead of professionals, we might have ourselves something.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
You can do the work. I’m not going to fault a player for hitting what’s thrown at him.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
It will get even more interesting in the AL East when the Blue Jays go after a stud free agent this offseason while continuing to build from within.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
To most Yankees fans the “dead zone” includes any player who doesn’t play in New York or Boston.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
So knowing what is coming actually hurts him?
/p-value’d
August 29th, 2011 at 11:15 AM
I should amend that statement slightly to appease you people.
I’m not going to fault a player for hitting what’s thrown at him so long as it’s a strike.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Actually about Bautista, since I don’t know how to do it… are his swing %’ages any different at home? That would be the biggest ‘tell’ I’d think. If you know what’s coming, you are more likely to swing, right?
/maybe?
August 29th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
“Does everyone realize Jayson Werth is hitting .231 with 16 homers, 49 RBI and sports an OPS of .718?”
He’s had to go on a post-All-Star-Game mini-hot streak just to get to this point.
Watched probably 80-90 Nats games this year. Werth’s struggles with sliders on the outside corner are alarming. And, he’s had his struggles in the field as well.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Incorrect. Toronto is truly on no one’s radar in MLB.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
I’m assuming Blackwolf Run has to be included in this excursion as well right?
Looks like my dream of qualifying for the 2015 Open have taken an early hit! Guess I also have to work on that whole “need a 1.4 handicap” thing.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
I agree, if Bautista played in that spot in the Yankees lineup his stats would obviously be ridiculous, and well ahead of Granderson’s.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
Bautista slg: .640
Granderson slg: .595
So Bautista hits balls thrown at him better than Granderson….much better
August 29th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Here’s hoping the Nats continue to add major free agents with track records like Werth’s.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:20 AM
But he doesn’t and they’re not.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
Yall are gonna keep arguing Grandy v Joey Bats, meanwhile Ellsbury is gonna sneak in and win it
August 29th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
Based on his .640 SLG percentage, he could very well have about 41 HRs where Granderson has 38.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
what number does this 220M guy bat in the order?
August 29th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Well I’m glad we agree stats like RBIs and Runs are worthless for comparing the two players then.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
They are both on PED’s, who cares?
/TBL
August 29th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
absolutely. and might as well go to madden’s classic in minny too…fuggit.
even if you were a 1.4, you’d be at a significant disadvantage. it’s a fucking joke.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Yet Bautista’s metrics are incredible despite playing for Toronto, and for the most part Joey Bat’s statistics ARE better than Granderson’s.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Forgot about the people who don’t want the black guy or the Hispanic guy to win so they’re propping Ellsbury and Verlander.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
RAYCESS!
August 29th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
A case worse than Morneau stealing Jeter’s MVP in 2006.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
Because Native Americans arent minorities or anything
August 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Really, you people think he’s funny?
/shakes head
//Ellsbury is Native American
August 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
1. Determine your criteria for an MVP.
2. Line up the players, see who best fits that.
3. Name your MVP.
Quit inventing bullshit narratives so your fave player can still win.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Ellsbury has certainly had a great year. Given that he’s second in hitting WAR, he should be in the discussion.
Sidenote: how in the hell did Adam Dunn fall off like this? A -2.5 WAR is just incredible.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
This golf trip is shaping up nicely. Now I just need to save up for it and make it happen.
And screw the USGA and qualifying, I’d just like a 1.4 handicap!
August 29th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
I think discussing this so vehemently on August 29th is silly anyway. Let the chips fall where they may.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
Okay… between CJ and Scalia beating me to every comment, I am clearly redundant. See y’all in the pee em.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
/scientific metho’d
August 29th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
PS…anyone ever play Twisted Dune out near AC? Going there next year for a bachelor party I think.
/1.4???? Forget that!
//starts looking at venues for PubLinks
August 29th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Must be nice to get 15 days off 3 times a year like Chief Strikes Out Twice and Many Times as He Walks.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
The Red Sox and Yankees are loaded. Joey has carried the Blue Jays which makes him the MVP in my opinion, but the voting is going to be very close because no one gives a shit about Toronto and because Curtis is the nicest guy in baseball.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
I almost forgot…
Must be nice for the Red Sox to get two days off to set their rotation prior to having the Yankees come to town. Especially after New York will have played 3 games in just under 34 hours. There’s probably a pivot table on a spreadsheet somewhere to debunk that competitive advantage though.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Talk about raycess..
August 29th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Weren’t you just championing Granderson? Holy Christ, do you think before you type?
August 29th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Michael Bradley to Chievo Verona. Interesting.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
never played twisted dunes…haven’t heard anything about it either. looks hella swank tho.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Power hitters are expected to strike out a fair amount. Leadoff hitters aren’t.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
Consistent as hell for like 7 years (w/ a slight decline) and he completely falls off a cliff. Inexplicable. OPS+ since 04: 146, 140, 114, 136, 130, 144, 139, 58
August 29th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
carried them to where? It’s not like the Yankees lineup hasn’t had it struggles throughout the year.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
HR’s since 04: 46, 40, 40, 40, 40, 38, 38, 11 … just insane
August 29th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
To the extent fans get joy or value out of their teams winning games, then he carried the Jays to 8 or 9 more wins than they otherwise would have won. Arguably, no single player in baseball could have done more than him. To expect him to carry that team to the playoffs is nothing short of laughable.
That doesn’t necessarily make him the MVP, but the “carried them to 4th place” line is a fool’s argument.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
They’re the highest scoring team in baseball, we should all struggle so much
August 29th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
Here is a fun fact. Aaron hill hit a 2 run homer yesterday to give him 5 rbis for the Diamondbacks. One more than Carlos Beltran has for the Giants.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:47 AM
All of this.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Your arbitrary designation of ‘power hitter’ aside, they are both speedy centerfielders, one bats 1st and the other bats 2nd, and both are having higher than normal homerun totals this year. They really dont have that different of styles.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Well said. Can’t stand the “well they missed the playoffs w/ him and would have missed them w/o him” argument. It’s an illogical argument.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Arguing a player’s MVP worthiness based on him being the difference between a team being in 4th and 5th place is asinine. Unless of course those numbers are so out of this world when compared to the competition they can’t be ignored. Of course that isn’t the case in this situation, but it gives yet another opportunity to minimize winning and blab about these mystical metrics.
August 29th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
I agree that the MVP is a team award and that – rather than actually compare player production and decide who was the best player – we should build a subjective storyline to all the candidates that we all can argue over and have no right answer to.
/dumb
August 29th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Darrell: If you were trying to say you came up with a criteria for being MVP that added 1 or 2 wins to a person if they help their team make the playoffs, that’s valid.
Just don’t change that “1 or 2 wins” on an annual basis depending on what it takes to make a Yankee the MVP.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Asinine is arguing that player A is more valuable than player B because player A was lucky enough to have better teammates. Do you want to compare players or teams?
August 29th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Wow, talk about stupid. Bautista is a great player who is worth an individual 8 wins for his team by himself. That’s more than any other player in the league. Who the fuck cares what team he plays for? Does he have the best numbers, has he been the best player in the league this season? Yes.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Figuring out who is the MVP in baseball should be relatively easy — compared to football and basketball especially. Alas.
Now, figuring out what is wrong with Brian Matusz. That is hard.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
I’m a sabermetrics-type, but I also don’t think it’s necessarily right to just give the MVP award to the guy with the highest WAR every year.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Oh, absolutely. You can’t just go by WAR, especially but not only because of the limits of single season defensive valuation.
But there are enough other tools available to build a comprehensive case for players and make an honest evaluation.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
In your case, the subject is sabremetrics. The comical thing is in the rush for you guys to pump up these metrics, you all are too blind to recognize your arguments are subjective. Keep kneeling at the numbers altar.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Not to mention that not all WARs are created equal – I look at baseball reference and fangraphs, and they almost always have different players in different rankings.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Explain how wOBA is subjective?
Numbers alter? Would you rather throw darts? How else would you determine who was the best player than by measuring the player’s production?
August 29th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
That’s impressive….you’ve managed to argue that recorded data is actually subjective. If a statistical argument is subjective, what in yoru mind, would be an objective argument?
August 29th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Absolutely. Like I said, no one actually argues “take a single number and that’s your MVP”.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
dumb argument. talking about someone being worth 8 wins on a 4th place team is like comparing the 500 pound woman who lost 15 pounds to the 125 pound woman who lost 10. Which weight loss is going to be more noticeable?
August 29th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
So arguing that Bautista is worth more individual wins than Granderson is a “dumb argument” but comparing it with women losing weight is…..a smart argument?
August 29th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Why is there so little discussion of the NL MVP award? Should Matt Kemp get it???
August 29th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
and the correct answer is the 500 pound woman lost more weight….see, math is easy.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Easiest question of the day. Because the Yankees and Red Sox don’t play in the NL.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
If your argument for MVP is that a guy is worth 8 more wins on a 60 win team, it’s a dumb argument. Stick to trying to argue that point first,and I’ll explain the comparison to you afterwards.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Is there a limit on how close a player’s team has to be to first in order to get consideration for MVP?
August 29th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I said before that the NL MVP should be Kemp. Only other legit contender in my opinion is Braun.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
I dunno. I think you can make reasonable argument for a bunch of guys. Kemp, Braun, Upton, Tulo, Votto.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
If you’re going with Kemp, you’re making a numbers argument, since the Dodgers team sucks. If so, I the answer is probably Votto again.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
I don’t know. But I do know that if its August and they’re already out of contention unless, as I said earlier, their numbers are vastly superior to the competition they shouldn’t be MVP over someone who is getting it done on a contender.
August 29th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Jupton will get lots of consideration, however the “winning team” narrative will give Braun a lot of consideration. Tulo is killing it though and were Colorado not an awful team, he would be the front runner.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
It’s a very smart argument when those 8 wins are more than anyone else is worth. By that very definition, he is more valuable than anyone else. I don’t understand why you are having so much trouble with this. It’s rather cut and dry. Yet, you keep bringing other people into the argument. Nobody is making the argument that the Blue Jays are better than the Yankees. The MVP is an individual award not a team award. I don’t know why Bautista’s teammates affect his MVP candidacy.
Your argument is that because Granderson happens to have a better team around him, he is more valuable….that is complete and utter nonsense. Does he have magic that makes his teammates better. If so, then yes, he deserves the MVP.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Nobody is arguing that the entire Blue Jays team deserves the MVP. This is about an individual. Who gives a shit about how the rest of the team is playing.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Its all dependent on from what you gather value. Your value argument is that without Bautista, The Blue Jays would be the Oakland A’s. Whoopty damn doo. That’s not enough of an effect to win the MVP when someone on a winning team has comparable numbers. Your inability to understand this should explain to you how stats can be subjective in use.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
And without Granderson, the Yankees would still be in the playoffs. What the hell does a winning team have to do with an individual’s MVP award. Bautista has been better than anyone else at baseball this year … argument over.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
as I said before, its all dependent on from what or where you gather value. Your value is exclusively sabremetrics, so you’re going to continue to make the argument you’re making. I don’t even want to get into the value of those 8 games with you since you couldn’t get the women weight loss comparison.
August 29th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
Nope, “my” value is based solely on who has been better at baseball this year.