The Roundup: MLS Goalie Hit in the Face – and Bloodied – by a Bobblehead, USC Trojans Lose Jio Fontan For the Year & Anne Hathaway Raps
Aubrey O’ Day … “Bigamy Suspect Doesn’t Remember Marrying First Wife” … photos of Kanye West with white people … “Honest Japanese return $78 million in cash found in earthquake rubble” … if you like dogs, this link is for you … hottest TV traffic reporter? I vote the girl in the maroon … are you a role model? … “a new invention that allows TVs to automatically mute whenever your least favorite people pop on TV” … creative GIF of Perry & Bachman eating a hot dog … Bono has a stake in Facebook worth about $1 billion … do you find Wolf Blitzer dull? … two of the West Memphis three will be released today … this Vermont sexting ring story is crazy …
Why did the Post-Standard’s website announce Michael Jordan’s daughter is going to attend Syracuse? [Syracuse.com, Black Sports Online]
Huge loss for USC: its best player, Jio Fontan won’t play this year due to an ACL injury. [LA Times]
Mitch McGary, a 6-foot-10 19-year-old who has been compared to Tyler Hansbrough, could make the NBA leap without playing in college. [Indiana Rivals]
Barrett Trotter has won the starting QB job on the Auburn Tigers. [AL.com]
Here’s the retort to Warren Buffett’s much-talked about op-ed piece a few days ago. [WSJ]
An HGH test finally nabbed someone! [SI]
The Miami assistant basketball coach who allegedly gave $10k to a recruit, won’t face punishment at Western Kentucky (where he is now). [Herald]
Video of an interesting Rick Perry encounter in Iowa. [Economist]
University of Miami President Donna Shalala, in early August, before the Yahoo Sports blockbuster: “I have no tolerance,” she insisted, “for breaking rules.” [TIME]
Denver sports fans may want to take a look at this. [Business Journals]
Yes, it is sad that the MLB Players Union will defend a loser like Carlos Zambrano. [CBS Sports]
“… we are living in an increasingly post-idea world — a world in which big, thought-provoking ideas that can’t instantly be monetized are of so little intrinsic value that fewer people are generating them and fewer outlets are disseminating them …” [NYT]
Padres prospect has to quit baseball due to rare condition. [MLB.com]
How Marty and Doc Brown first met. Tremendous. [MovieLine]
Villanova basketball Isaiah Armwood is transferring. [Goodman]
Anderson Cooper can’t stop laughing at this poop joke. He starts with pee jokes for the first 2 minutes, and around the 2:30 mark, the poop arrives, and the laughter begins.
Anne Hathaway rapped on Conan.
Babysitter arrested for … geez, how could anyone be so stupid?
MLS keeper goes for a drink of water and someone hurls a bobblehead at him. The keeper was cut under his eye, but remained in the game. Good thing this didn’t happen in Philly! [via Hot Clicks]
- Bob Stoops: Home Was Burglarized, Had Car Stolen
- Muhammed “King Mo” Lawal’s KO of the Year Candidate Against Seth Petruzelli at Bellator 96
- Break-Up Song About Players Leaving Via Free Agency Should Make Fans Cry
- Fight Master: Bellator MMA: Freshening Up a Tired Format
- John Wall Tattoos Are of the Raleigh Skyline and ‘The Great Wall’
- PL StabbinKabin on Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal's KO of the Year Candidate Against Seth Petruzelli at Bellator 96
- PL StabbinKabin on Neymar's Silky Dribbling Schools the Mexican Defense, Sets Up Another Brazilian Goal [Video]
- VladimirCrouton on Bob Stoops: Home Was Burglarized, Had Car Stolen
- KC Resident on Break-Up Song About Players Leaving Via Free Agency Should Make Fans Cry
- A.P. on Break-Up Song About Players Leaving Via Free Agency Should Make Fans Cry
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August 19th, 2011 at 8:11 AM
considering the blonde on the right in this pic is a traffic reporter in Jacksonville, Ima hafta disagree with that link.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:15 AM
Nice fun bags
August 19th, 2011 at 8:18 AM
Hottest traffic reporter-
http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-erin-mcelroy-pg,0,5870581.photogallery
August 19th, 2011 at 8:19 AM
That’s why I can’t stand Unions in general.
/Has family full of teachers.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:20 AM
I have to ask captain_spalding……are you blind?
August 19th, 2011 at 8:22 AM
the redneck now has the best gravatar in the world.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:24 AM
surely Univision or Telemundo have the Traffic Girl crown wrapped up along with their 74 consecutive Weather Girl crowns.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:24 AM
Yep. That one.
/redhead mood
August 19th, 2011 at 8:25 AM
she’s gotta be in her 40′s, right?
August 19th, 2011 at 8:27 AM
you obviously don’t understand how a union works.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:27 AM
/fist bumps the “fist bump cat” gravatar
August 19th, 2011 at 8:29 AM
Isn’t it their job to defend a member of their union? I mean, they wouldn’t be much of a union if they didn’t defend crazy Z.
Those are some awesome sweater pillows. Well done TBL.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:36 AM
I had to laugh, because Doyel opens with
His whole piece is meaningless, but I still thought that was funny.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:39 AM
are you a role model?
absolutely fucking not.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:39 AM
Seems to be the case with much of what Doyel rights. He disregards facts and sound reasoning and just bitches.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:40 AM
How Marty and Doc Brown first met. Tremendous
I would never put any of the Back To The Future movies in my top 20 — probably even top 50 movies. But you better believe if it’s on TV I’m watching it.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:42 AM
very attractive, no doubt…but she was hotter when she was doing that dance shit on puffy’s show before all the surgery. and yes, i called him puffy. he’ll always be puffy.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:42 AM
rights = writes
/guzzles coffee
August 19th, 2011 at 8:44 AM
kinda…tho i get the feeling he’s just keeping his frustration at CNN’s bullshit production inside and it’s going to burst on air one of these days. and i can’t wait.
also…jeanne moos is the most worthless human being on the planet.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:44 AM
She should be forced to resign. Kick her liliputian ass to the curb.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:44 AM
very attractive, no doubt…but she was hotter when she was doing that dance shit on puffy’s show before all the surgery. and yes, i called him puffy. he’ll always be puffy.
Agreed on pretty much all counts. She also tweets great pics of herself. Aubrey O’Day is probbaly the best example of a woman that men love, yet other women hate. Scarlett Johannsen also fits into this category.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:46 AM
There’s a HUGE doubt! Look at that disgusting skank! Did you notice her entire face is covered in 3 inch thick makeup? Not even your acidic semen could put a dent in that makeup.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:46 AM
And in true soccer form. He falls to the ground and lays around like a huge gash. THen after the trainers come out and they bring a fucking stretcher with them, he stays in the game anyway.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:47 AM
/shakes fist at Bono
August 19th, 2011 at 8:47 AM
Uh, no she doesn’t. I love ScarJo even if I think she’s an idiot for dumping Ryan Reynolds for Sean Penn. She’s a gazillion times hotter than Skank O’Skank.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:47 AM
SG throwing haymakers early this morning.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:48 AM
i refute these heinous allegations calling my penis a poisonous spitting tree frog.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:48 AM
SG bringing the heat early this morning.
Look, a face can be ignored as easily as turning the light switch off.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:48 AM
Am I completely wrong or does Aubrey O’Day dress and act like a porn star pretty much all the time? She’s not a porn star, right?
August 19th, 2011 at 8:49 AM
I see that you’ve opening the link witht he fake-redhead traffic reporter too.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:49 AM
I love comments 21 and 22 back to back.
She’s a fucking dried up porn star, no? Gross, you guys.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:50 AM
or pointing it in the opposite direction.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:51 AM
Wait, I thought she was a porn star? If she’s not, what is she?
August 19th, 2011 at 8:51 AM
I don’t know what the fuck an Aubrey O’Day is. Not a fan of her look either.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:51 AM
failsauce spewing from my fingertips all over the place this morning.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:51 AM
Look at that disgusting skank!
I don’t want to go all Rob Jules on anybody, but this lady is pretty wretched looking. She’s basically Elvira, except she shows her ass all the time, where Elvira just laid there.
woman that men love, yet other women hate.
I must be some sort of a lady man
August 19th, 2011 at 8:53 AM
/high fives miz while doing the Eiffel tower
August 19th, 2011 at 8:53 AM
SG…wait, why are you yelling at me? i said she was more attractive before she got skanked.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:54 AM
Look, a face can be ignored as easily as turning the light switch off.
that doesn’t make it a pretty face. Turning off the lights won’t make Quasimodo have a straight spine, either.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:55 AM
Wait, I thought she was a porn star? If she’s not, what is she?
I thought that, too. But porn stars are usually skinnier than this chick.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:55 AM
Its like everyone here woke up incredibly horny and will rationalize fucking anything
August 19th, 2011 at 8:56 AM
it’s the cocaine that does it.
/the more you already knew’d
August 19th, 2011 at 8:57 AM
do you find Wolf Blitzer dull? …
wolf and i shared an airport security moment this past sunday.
that dude needs to cut his toenails.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:57 AM
For some reason I thought this was the porn star who ran for governor of California.. Guess I dont know my porn stars well
August 19th, 2011 at 8:58 AM
Its like everyone here woke up incredibly horny and will rationalize fucking anything
It’s Friday Night — and I feel alll-rigggtt
/Montell’d
August 19th, 2011 at 8:58 AM
for some reason i found this very insightful and interesting. no bullshit either. my dad will enjoy this anecdote.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:58 AM
Here’s the retort to Warren Buffett’s much-talked about op-ed piece a few days ago.
The day the revolution comes I wonder what building will be picked to be torn down.
Look at that disgusting skank!
SQUIRREL!
August 19th, 2011 at 8:58 AM
You know the WSJ is definitely in touch with the country when it considers a person making $200k a year “middle-class”
August 19th, 2011 at 8:59 AM
good one.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:59 AM
only 18 years to late. if you want to read up on how fucked up the justice system is, read up on the WM3. here’s an article with some links in it.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:00 AM
For some reason I thought this was the porn star who ran for governor of California.. Guess I dont know my porn stars well
TBF, she should be naked and with her ass up in the air. She’s already got the make-up on and that would make it easier to identify.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:00 AM
Who do I trust more in this fight…the editorial board of the WSJ or the 2nd richest man in the world….hmmmm….
August 19th, 2011 at 9:00 AM
I dunno, same reason websites (possibly not plural) were linking to Gordon Hayward’s girlfriend’s Facebook page?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:01 AM
I don’t know really. I guess because you called her attractive?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:01 AM
Who do I trust more in this fight…the editorial board of the WSJ or the 2nd richest man in the world….hmmmm….
The opening segment of The Daily Show last night used Buffet’s piece as a segue to class warfare in America. One of Stewart’s best pieces in awhile. It’s worth finding.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:02 AM
Agree. I think most of us are richer than we thought.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:04 AM
You know the WSJ is definitely in touch with the country when it considers a person making $200k a year “middle-class”
As the Daily Show showed yesterday, apparently having a refrigerator and a microwave and a washing machine makes you not poor.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:04 AM
two of the West Memphis three will be released today …
About fucking time. Horrible what these kids went through. Fucking hick ass law enforcement and lawyers and judges. Remind me never to go to West Memphis.
Why is there a tranny in the pic that is normally for attractive women dressed badly for our round-up pic for today?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:04 AM
The only places where 200k is middle class is Silicon Valley, LA, North Jersey/NYC/Southern Conneticut and metro DC area.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:04 AM
Who do I trust more in this fight…the editorial board of the WSJ or the 2nd richest man in the world….hmmmm….
The opening segment of The Daily Show last night used Buffet’s piece as a segue to class warfare in America. One of Stewart’s best pieces in awhile. It’s worth finding.
I was JUST going to say this; it was faaantastic! I used to tolerate Fox News, but fuck these people right in the peehole.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:06 AM
upon further review, her breasts are still attractive. my eyes were attracted right to em. the rest of the package aint exactly my cup of tea, but the photographer sure knew how to put the subject in focus.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:09 AM
I like this.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:10 AM
upon further review, her breasts are still attractive. my eyes were attracted right to em. the rest of the package aint exactly my cup of tea, but the photographer sure knew how to put the subject in focus
a girl uses her boobs to get attention??!
I was JUST going to say this; it was faaantastic! I used to tolerate Fox News, but fuck these people right in the peehole.
Listening to them call poor people “the mooching class” had my jaw on the floor.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:10 AM
Shameful.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:12 AM
Listening to them call poor people “the mooching class” had my jaw on the floor.
The screaming head making this statement was practically frothing at the mouth with rage. I wish he had popped a blood vessel right on air.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:13 AM
I don’t have time to read the 40 million articles about the West Memphis 3. I just want to know if they did it and if they didn’t who did?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:14 AM
Listening to them call poor people “the mooching class” had my jaw on the floor.
I personally liked the clip of the Fox Buisness News guy called Warren Buffett a socalist.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:14 AM
i’d love for my wife and i to make double what we make now, living in NJ.
$200K we could live a pretty comfortable life.
isn’t the WSJ owned by Rupert Murdoch?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:15 AM
I personally liked the clip of the Fox Buisness News guy called Warren Buffett a socalist.
“George Clooney bangs a different broad everyday. What a fag!”
/or something like that.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:17 AM
Jersey is gonna be pissed when he hears all you guys ripping on his girl, Aubrey
August 19th, 2011 at 9:17 AM
Do they lace the water at News Corp (Fox BN, WSJ, Fox News, NYPost) with something that makes you a d-bag asshole?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:17 AM
Do they lace the water at News Corp (Fox BN, WSJ, Fox News, NYPost) with something that makes you a d-bag asshole?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:18 AM
Will someone look up if News Corp laces the water with something that makes you a d-bag asshole and get back to phillymantis please? Thanks
August 19th, 2011 at 9:18 AM
Listening to them call poor people “the mooching class” had my jaw on the floor.
I personally liked the clip of the Fox Buisness News guy called Warren Buffett a socalist.
The best part of the Stewart piece was how he broke down the numbers. Taking the rich “wouldn’t make a difference” but making the poor pay more would.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:19 AM
Anyone going to be up by 7:30 tomorrow to catch the Liverpool – Arsenal match? Sucks for the gunners to lose Jack Wilshire. But on the flip side, Gerrard is still out with a strained pussy.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:19 AM
Yeah nice double post on my part there. My bad.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:19 AM
My last comment doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Just watch the clip. I’ve decided I’m not going to try to hard at anything today. I guess that includes sentence structure and making coherent points.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:20 AM
Do they lace the water at News Corp (Fox BN, WSJ, Fox News, NYPost) with something that makes you a d-bag asshole?
/glad it happened to someone else.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:20 AM
That girl is gross. Would. Not. Fuck.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:21 AM
if you didnt know anderson cooper was a gay, you will after that laughing clip
August 19th, 2011 at 9:22 AM
if you didnt know anderson cooper was a gay
you’ve been living under a rock? I thought that was common knowledge.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Yeah, if you watch just one video today, watch that segment from TDS.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Buncha Brad Clooneys up in this bitch.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:23 AM
zombie wedding photos!!!
http://mlkshk.com/p/69H1
August 19th, 2011 at 9:24 AM
That girl is gross. Would. Not. Fuck.
i agree that she’s not very attractive, but if you think she’s not fuckable you’re insane, or gay.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:25 AM
for once, i agree with the Clown
August 19th, 2011 at 9:25 AM
i agree that she’s not very attractive, but if you think she’s not fuckable you’re insane, or gay
I’m sorry, fucking her would be the equivalent of sticking my dick into a vat of hydrochloric acid. It wouldn’t come out in the same condition it went in. Also, it would be covered in STDs.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:26 AM
That’s the most predictable comment of the day.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:26 AM
No, they didn’t, and there is piles of evidence to support it. there is a ton of evidence that says the boys who were killed step father is the one who did it. there were a ton of errors in the investigation and a shit ton of corruption involving the trying of the case. the judge who tried it is now a state senator in Arkansas. even with them getting released they are still making them plead no contest, which is total bullshit. even if you just can read the wikipedia page about it, it’s worth it.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:26 AM
that’ll buy a lot of food for africans/gulfstream fuel depending on if bono’s got something to push to the public that day.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:27 AM
That’s the most predictable comment of the day.
I would have gone with this one:
There’s a HUGE doubt! Look at that disgusting skank! Did you notice her entire face is covered in 3 inch thick makeup? Not even your acidic semen could put a dent in that makeup
August 19th, 2011 at 9:27 AM
I know some of you wanted in on the TBL Fantasy League that couldn’t get in, so I set up a pick em and survival league for everyone too. They are all on Yahoo. Sign up.
Survival Football League for Yahoo, search group ID 3564, password 49ers
Weekly Yahoo pick em against the spread it’s league ID 9066, password 49ers
August 19th, 2011 at 9:28 AM
Survival Football League for Yahoo, search group ID 3564, password 49ers
Weekly Yahoo pick em against the spread it’s league ID 9066, password 49ers
Nice. When is the deadline to enter?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
Mitch McGary, a 6-foot-10 19-year-old who has been compared to Tyler Hansbrough, could make the NBA leap without playing in college
Mcgary isn’t making the leap. from what i’ve read, that dude is giddy about railing some college pu-tang.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
that’ll buy a lot of food for africans/gulfstream fuel depending on if bono’s got something to push to the public that day.
I like this.
Never liked a U2 album after the Joshua Tree.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
And I’d still hit it.
/wrap your tool
August 19th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
you really should try to make this a habit, TBL.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
Frazier should be starting by week 6, right?
/7-5
August 19th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
Anyone going to be up by 7:30 tomorrow to catch the Liverpool – Arsenal match? Sucks for the gunners to lose Jack Wilshire. But on the flip side, Gerrard is still out with a strained pussy
I am. I gotta go to work afterwards, but I’ll be up.
Arsenal have a mini-crisis in that between the injured (Wilshere, Gibbs, Djourou) and the suspended (Song, Gervinho), we’re likely going to give kids like Frimpong and Jenkinson a start and could feature Oxlade-Chamberlain and Ryo Miyaichi.
That said, RVP and Arshavin vs the back 4 y’all got right now? I take that!
August 19th, 2011 at 9:30 AM
anything after 1997ish is pure trash.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:30 AM
Touche
August 19th, 2011 at 9:30 AM
Before September 8th.
I set it up so if you miss a Thursday game, it doesn’t kick you out, you just miss that one game.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:30 AM
his Vermont sexting ring story is crazy
I went through high school about 6 years too soon. I’m sure all seniors in High School now have seen most of their attractive female classmates sans clothing. That was a pipe dream back in my day.
/walks 15 miles uphill in snow to work
August 19th, 2011 at 9:30 AM
It might not be “middle,” but 200k sure as shit isnt caviar and private yacht. There are plenty of metro areas where 200k doesnt go very far.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:31 AM
I just want to know if they did it and if they didn’t who did?
No, they didn’t, and there is piles of evidence to support it. there is a ton of evidence that says the boys who were killed step father is the one who did it. there were a ton of errors in the investigation and a shit ton of corruption involving the trying of the case. the judge who tried it is now a state senator in Arkansas. even with them getting released they are still making them plead no contest, which is total bullshit. even if you just can read the wikipedia page about it, it’s worth it.
Yeah, what Ark said. There are also two excellent documentaries on this.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:31 AM
I don’t understand why more kids don’t have this attitude/approach. good for him.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:31 AM
wow…rick reilly making a good point? im shocked.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:32 AM
Also, it would be covered in STDs.
that’s why they make rubbing alcohol, jr.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:32 AM
Drummond is going pro, not sure McGary might follow but he has major academic issues and ADHD issues in the past that could push him there. The interesting thing is he hasn’t really changed as a player when he was a 2011 prospect, however this summer he was 19 playing mainly against 17 yr olds and some 15 and 16 yr olds playing up. I have my reservations if he is really a top 5 player or just beating up on undersized kids since most of his game is based on his physicallity. I forgot where he was ranked when he was a 2011 kid, but I don’t think he was in the top 50.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:33 AM
It might not be “middle,” but 200k sure as shit isnt caviar and private yacht. There are plenty of metro areas where 200k doesnt go very far.
True… but if you’re not a moron you can live very comfortably on that amount in most areas. Just don’t take out a mortgage on a $3MM house and lease those piece of shit Range Rovers for $800 a month.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:33 AM
Survival Football League for Yahoo, search group ID 3564, password 49ers
Weekly Yahoo pick em against the spread it’s league ID 9066, password 49ers
In on both
August 19th, 2011 at 9:33 AM
I am having a hard time figuring out how someone can be unattractive and fuckable at the same time.. dudes are such weird creatures.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:34 AM
That’s the problem. People, especially in this generation are not living within their means. I can totally buy a majority of people making this much struggling to keep their head above water, which would lend to people calling them middle class.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
The WSJ editorial was wrong to classify 200k as “middle class”, but the point being made is sound. Go ahead and increase taxes on the extreme rich, but it won’t make a dent on the revenue side because there are simply not enough of them.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
I am having a hard time figuring out how someone can be unattractive and fuckable at the same time.. dudes are such weird creatures
/high fives CJ
August 19th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
That bit on Denver sports business is woefully incomplete, seeing as they’re evidently only taking into account the Denver/Aurora part of the metro area and leaving the rest of the Front Range out. Denver teams tend to be regional; meet lots of people tailgating who drove down from Montana or up from New Mexico.
Also, that Aubrey O’Day chick probably smells like old wet towels.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
That said, RVP and Arshavin vs the back 4 y’all got right now? I take that!
* Sigh*! Sadly yes; they don’t have anyone to match Arshavin’s speed in that back line. I don’t know much about the new midfielders that ‘Pool acquired; if they’re defensive minded or not.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:35 AM
very true. it’s not “have a porsche boxster for perfect weather days” wealth, but it’s comfortably paying the bills on a mortgage while not being stretched too thin.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:36 AM
Truth right here.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:37 AM
As soon as the Bengals climb to within $11.5 million of the hard salary cap,
where are they now, exactly?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:37 AM
The WSJ editorial was wrong to classify 200k as “middle class”, but the point being made is sound. Go ahead and increase taxes on the extreme rich, but it won’t make a dent on the revenue side because there are simply not enough of them.
Did you watch the Stewart piece last night? It explains this. Why is it that taxing the rich wouldn’t make a dent, but if you taxed HALF of EVERYTHING “poor/middle class” people have, it would still only equal the exact same amount of money you’d generate by taxing the rich. It doesn’t make sense.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:37 AM
Survival Football League for Yahoo, search group ID 3564, password 49ers
Weekly Yahoo pick em against the spread it’s league ID 9066, password 49ers
In on both
Wanted to, but it’s not accepting the ID and password. Can you send me a link that worked KingGrizz?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:37 AM
I am having a hard time figuring out how someone can be unattractive and fuckable at the same time.. dudes are such weird creatures
Booze.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:38 AM
what’s even weirder is chicks because they like dudes.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:38 AM
they reportedly have the most in the league. seen figures ranging from $27 to $41 million.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:38 AM
I’m not saying they are struggling. I just think theres a difference between comfortable and not having to worry about money and being “rich.” I dont know what the magic number is where that changes, but 200k seems low.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:39 AM
aren’t you the one who would throw Tim Kurkjian a lay?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:39 AM
My fucking house payment isn’t $800 a month.
/bought at the right time
//refinanced at the right time
///fixed it up to how I wanted it
////$718
August 19th, 2011 at 9:39 AM
That’s the problem. People, especially in this generation are not living within their means
its totally true. there needs to be a fundamental reset in the way we accumulate debt. if those idiots making 200K bought a 1MM house and two range rovers and they cant pay, bankrupt their ass.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:39 AM
The thing is, you and ill are both right.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:40 AM
they reportedly have the most in the league. seen figures ranging from $27 to $41 million.
well, then, if you think about it, Rick Reilly’s “point” was probably pretty stupid. Since Cincy isn’t getting anywhere near the hard cap, at all.
There’s not even anybody left to spend money on.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:40 AM
That’s the problem. People, especially in this generation are not living within their means.
I don’t understand the 3 or 4 person household living in a 5000 Sq/ft home with 6 Bedrooms and 5 bathrooms and a finished basement and struggling to make payments. Isn’t that too much house? There have to be rooms that aren’t stepped in for weeks. I’d rather have a modest house, but put a ton of nice shit in it and have $$ for travel, etc.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:40 AM
200K for one person, it’s entering the territory. I know if i was single and making 200K i’d be living a pretty expensive and wasteful life.
for a couple i’d have to say $350k and up would be around that same level.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:40 AM
I am having a hard time figuring out how someone can be unattractive and fuckable at the same time.. dudes are such weird creatures.
you really only need one great feature to be fuckable, you need multiple ones to be hot.
we’re weird, huh? well i find it weird that females bleed for 5 days and don’t die. that’s defies common logic.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:41 AM
So you guys would fuck Aubrey for her personality? I doubt that
August 19th, 2011 at 9:41 AM
/bought at the right time
//refinanced at the right time
///fixed it up to how I wanted it
////$718
/////Lives off 45th and Troost
August 19th, 2011 at 9:41 AM
where do you live and what’s your house like?
/$2200 montly mortgage payment
August 19th, 2011 at 9:42 AM
* Sigh*! Sadly yes; they don’t have anyone to match Arshavin’s speed in that back line. I don’t know much about the new midfielders that ‘Pool acquired; if they’re defensive minded or not.
Henderson is young. He’s going to make mistakes. Adam is a solid midfielder; not flashy but not prone to mistakes. Meireles is the one guy I’m most worried about — he’s a quality midfielder who doesn’t get a lot of credit. Lucas Leiva is hit-or-miss…literally.
The problem is that if they’re not careful, they can expose the back line.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:42 AM
Nicely put. We need to cut spending (real spending, not the national endowment for the arts) and let the Bush tax cuts expire.
/none of this will happen
//cries
///15 days till football
August 19th, 2011 at 9:42 AM
August 19th, 2011 at 9:42 AM
we’re weird, huh? well i find it weird that females bleed for 5 days and don’t die. that’s defies common logic.
I think today will be good on the TBL.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:42 AM
bought at the right time
1996?
refinanced at the right time
any time from 2.5 years ago until at least 3 years from now?
$718
what is it, a lean-to?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:42 AM
you, sir, are built for living in a trailer park.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:43 AM
aight…they’re at $27mm after making some signings and have a pretty bare roster. all they need to do is sign $8mm worth of players before the draft (figure $8m at least for draft picks or so) and palmer can fuck em over and get his release.
then again, i wouldn’t be surprised to see mike brown leave $11.5mm worth of cap space available just in case this happens.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:43 AM
those piece of shit Range Rovers for $800 a month.
My fucking house payment isn’t $800 a month.
Also, don’t forget the $4500 down or whatever it is you have to pay up front. Every time I see one of those cars I just shake my head. They are terrible/unreliable cars. The only reason people drive them is so that other people will think they’re loaded. It’s the equivalent of the guy with a small dick buying a hummer.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:43 AM
Ah, that’s too bad. Cumby was a good guy. I covered him for parts of two seasons in Class Low-A Fort Wayne.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:44 AM
well her personality is quite slutty so…in circles we go.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:45 AM
you, sir, are built for living in a trailer park.
definitely getting a double-wide.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:45 AM
47% of households who pay ZERO in federal income taxes are up in arms about the 10% of the population who pay 71% of ALL federal income taxes.
Only an Obama voter would call that unfair.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:45 AM
Please. The list of “would you bang her” is about 1000x longer than the “think she’s hot” list. Guys are animals.
Holy shit. My wife and I don’t have anything special as far as a house goes (3 BR, 2 bath, den) and we pay right around $800 for the mortgage. $2,200 down here would be so much house. I wouldn’t know what to do with that much space.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:45 AM
lol.
Blue Springs.
JESUS! I live about 20 minutes from downtown KC. House is modest. 3 bedrooms, 1 1/2 bath, finished basement, decent sized yard. Neighborhood is fine. It’s not the hood or anything. Typical suburb.
And since I fucked up that last quote….
Absolutely this. I think I’ve taken about 4-5 weekend trips this summer. I’d rather spend my money on that.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:45 AM
I just think theres a difference between comfortable and not having to worry about money and being “rich.” I dont know what the magic number is where that changes, but 200k seems low.
200K for one person, it’s entering the territory. I know if i was single and making 200K i’d be living a pretty expensive and wasteful life.
May I raise an important question:
How many $200K jobs has anyone seen advertised for/available in the last 3 years?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:46 AM
Real spending entails defense. Oh and one way to take care a lot of the funding for Social Sec & Medicare is to raise the cap on the level of income that gets taxed. $104,000 needs to be upped to like $500-$750k.
Oh and close the tax loophole on carried interest.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:46 AM
No, but I will. Not sure it will do much because I don’t think our problems will be solved on the revenue side.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:47 AM
/$2200 montly mortgage payment
I used to pay that in rent for a 2BDR in New Brunswick. I wised up and bought a townhouse that drastically cut that number.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:47 AM
We really should tax a family of four making $22,000 more than we do. Bunch of freeloading assholes.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:47 AM
same with BMW’s, mercedes benz C300′s and any lexus or g37. all within about 30-40K depending on options, but that’s a shit ton of money to spend on a hood ornament.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:48 AM
47% of households who pay ZERO in federal income taxes are up in arms about the 10% of the population who pay 71% of ALL federal income taxes.
Only an Obama voter would call that unfair.
The 47% who pay ZERO also have little to anything to pay. So taxing them doesn’t help: they have nothing left to give.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:48 AM
Holy Schnikes… we pay a smidgen over 1,000 and thats only because we pay the equivalent of 13 payments a year divided by 12 to pay off the mortgage quicker.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:48 AM
It’s not the hood or anything.
translation: it’s pretty goddamned skeevy, but it’s not all black.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:48 AM
Bought in 2003 (I was 21) at about $110k. Refinanced last July to a 30 year mortgage at 4.75%. We wanted to do a 15 year, but my wife and I both lost our job at the same time before and didn’t want the risk. Good thing. I got laid off again a month after refinancing.
/Team No Debt
August 19th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
22% of that group made between $50,000 and $75,000.
Everyone needs to have a little skin in the game, otherwise we are left with representation without taxation.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
Ha. Yeah. In other words, the working poor and senior citizens. Balance the budget on their backs. Always funny to hear the economic royalists chime in.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
i’m in hillsborough, somerset county. 3 bdrm, 1 bath, 1.25 acres of land, $6600 in property taxes a year. nice house built in 1940, land is likely worth more than the house itself.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
same with BMW’s, mercedes benz C300′s and any lexus or g37. all within about 30-40K depending on options, but that’s a shit ton of money to spend on a hood ornament
I still think there’s a huge difference between buying a Nice BMW (they are exceptional cars) for 35-40K and buying a piece of shit (Range Rover’s are terrible) car of 80-100k (which is the sticker on a RR). 80-100K!! For an ugly SUV. Mind boggling.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
well her personality is quite slutty so…in circles we go.
the rings of jupiter.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
Real spending entails defense. Oh and one way to take care a lot of the funding for Social Sec & Medicare is to raise the cap on the level of income that gets taxed. $104,000 needs to be upped to like $500-$750k.
And that’s the problem: in order to get our debt under control, we have to be willing to make major changes to Medicare and to SSA and to defense. No politician will ever touch them because it’s certain death.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:51 AM
God, New Jersey is just awful.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:51 AM
Dirt, is your gravatar The Hound or Keith Stone?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:51 AM
The time has come to legalize prostitution and tax them as independent contractors…the deficit will be gone by 2014 under the Butters Plan
August 19th, 2011 at 9:52 AM
This is my household income range. Why are we paying taxes? How do we get out of paying taxes? I am not understanding how this is possible?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:52 AM
Yeah, between the 3% rise in energy & food costs, health care costs rising 8-10% a year, and the inability to get a raise for a majority of these people, what skin do they have to put in the game? The economy did best in the 50′s when the top marginal tax rate was 70%.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:52 AM
I live in DC, and if you make $200K a year you can live very comfortably, depending on your definition of comfortably. Unless you’re just a pure consumer, you should have NO problem paying your bills.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:52 AM
I agree with this, but the stat about the 47% getting off is a bit misleading, and those who keep saying it know that. It’s all politics. The Daily Show did a great job of showing that last night. Fox News is up in arms about class warfare against the rich all the while waging it against the poor. Both sides do it.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:53 AM
it is. our house is similar to a friend who bought in PA for $100,000 less than us. but PA wasn’t an option.
also, friends live down the street from us, during our appraisal we found out how much they paid for their house, and we made out like bandits.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:53 AM
Everyone does have some skin in the game. If the $50,000-$75,000 crowd represents a ton of families just sneaking by paying a lot of state and local taxes in the form of property, sales, and state income… but federal tax deductions like home mortgage and child tax credits bring that way down.
Those people don’t have “no skin in the game”. The game is just really fucking complicated.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:53 AM
tax rate for the rich needs to go up. they pay most of our taxes, and own most of the wealth. its not hard.
entitlement programs (food stamps, medicare, etc) need a major overhaul with more reporting and stips required to receive assistants. also, and this horse is dead beyond repair, cut the pointless war we are in in half. i understand some troops need to be over there to keep up appearences, but not all.
nothing will happen, because as a whole, we seem to become a nation that does not pay bills or budgets correctly, and deserves whatever we want.
/end rant, googles tits
August 19th, 2011 at 9:53 AM
It’s Aubrey O’Day without makeup
August 19th, 2011 at 9:53 AM
22% of that group made between $50,000 and $75,000.
I pay taxes. What am I doing wrong? Is there some special club where people who make this type of living don’t have to pay taxes that I have to join?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:54 AM
We currently live in West Windsor in a 2BD2BR bathroom, pay $1700 a month in rent. Yup, I can confirm that NJ sucks.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:54 AM
22% of that group made between $50,000 and $75,000.
Everyone needs to have a little skin in the game, otherwise we are left with representation without taxation
So tax the next level above the marginal poor and have them bear the cost of fixing our economy?
That’s just a recipe to create more poor, which creates more social services’ dependents, which creates more need for government support, which creates more pressure on the economy.
So we’re back to square 1.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:54 AM
but federal tax deductions like home mortgage and child tax credits bring that way down.
oh. I guess I should just knock up the next girl I meet at a bar and have her shit out a bunch of kids then. Got it.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
keep up appearances? methinks you don’t understand it at all.
and keep arts funding instead of defense? HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU SERIOUS?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
Here’s the difference between men and women:
Guys will take almost anything home and tag it for one night.
Women will marry some nasty ass dude and fuck him for life if he has money.
Lets not throw stones, ladies. We are equally fucked in the head.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
Dirt, is your gravatar The Hound or Keith Stone?
It was the hound, but it’s so confusing, I just changed back to Rerun.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
Where in the fuck are you getting this info? You’re telling me half of the 47% not paying taxes make over $50K a year? Who are these people? What do they do?
August 19th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
Of course this is the case. Anyone who can’t live comfortably on 200K anywhere, even London, is a fucking moron. Living comfortably doesn’t mean having two luxury sedans and a $1 million dollar pad. That’s the problem.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:56 AM
i cant spell
August 19th, 2011 at 9:56 AM
it also creates more cheap labor for the rich to build their moats and security walls.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:56 AM
If you think this is what I was saying it’s a you problem.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:56 AM
keep up appearances? methinks you don’t understand it at all.
maybe you dont understand, kind sir.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Those people don’t have “no skin in the game”. The game is just really fucking complicated.
nah, it’s super simple. If millionaires and billionaires keep being asked to pay taxes like they used to, they won’t have time to create jobs.
And poor people need jobs, so they can pay more taxes.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
good on you guys, cj. I built a sweet-ass amortization spreadsheet where you can adjust everything about a mortgage in it and determine how much extra you can pay and what those savings will be over the lifetime of your mortgage. you could input your current info in it and see exactly how much you’ll save in the long run. if you want it, I’ll email it to you. but I don’t have your email, so you’ll have to email me first.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
He’s saying 22% of that group does.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
HEY, HEY, HEY, HEY, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
/Belding voice
No more politics. It’s Friday.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Cant wait to have some little tax breaks of my own. My mortgage I guess didnt really help me, because we still dont have enough deductions to itemize.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Here’s the difference between men and women:
Guys will take almost anything home and tag it for one night.
Women will marry some nasty ass dude and fuck him for life if he has money.
Lets not throw stones, ladies. We are equally fucked in the head.
There are exceptions to your generalizations. There had better be, anyway. Otherwise I’m fucked. Figuratively, not literally.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
Yeah, between the 3% rise in energy & food costs, health care costs rising 8-10% a year, and the inability to get a raise for a majority of these people, what skin do they have to put in the game? The economy did best in the 50′s when the top marginal tax rate was 70%.
Henry Ford was once quoted as saying that he paid his employees good salaries because he wanted to make sure they had enough money to buy his cars. The wisdom of that idea seems long lost.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:57 AM
I’ll take it Mizerle.
Is there a line for money pit? Because this year, my house is a money pit.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:58 AM
i understand perfectly.
is there defense spending that could be cut or postponed? absolutely. but saying we’re only in afghanistan to “keep up appearances” is straight up retarded.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:58 AM
Here, SG — I forgot to mention that 9% of this group makes between $75,000 and $100,000.
But fuck the rich for not picking up the entire tab!
August 19th, 2011 at 9:58 AM
It was the hound, but it’s so confusing, I just changed back to Rerun.
It would be easy to tell if the gravatars weren’t the size of a pixel. I still don’t understand why TBL FSV doesn’t make them bigger. I don’t know what most of the gravatars are. Except for Spencer’s I think. He has the fat kid from Goonies as an gravatar. Very nice. Goonies rocks.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
Thanks miz, I think my husband made probably the same thing you did though, hes crazy amazing with spreadsheets and has one for our mortgage and our student loans.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
Sportsgal, if you rent and don’t have kids you should get used to getting fucked by federal government.
It’s policies that both parties have supported, and a lot of people think it’s unfair.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
Cant wait to have some little tax breaks of my own. CJ
CJ must be ovulating. I’m not sure what we’ll do having a pregnant chick commenting.
August 19th, 2011 at 9:59 AM
hes crazy amazing with spreadsheets
ha.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:00 AM
I’ll take that spreadsheet Miz… where do I get your email address?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:01 AM
Ha. Yeah, the talking points from the right are enough to make a person go crazy.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:02 AM
More like fuck the politicians for treating Warren Buffet like a spotted owl. He was dead on with that analogy. The Bush tax cuts are absurd. That bit of genius from W and Obama (his decision in DEC to roll over on them means he owns them just as much as W) is a massive fuck up and arguing for them is simply delusional.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:02 AM
if you don’t mind…htownhacker@gmail.com
August 19th, 2011 at 10:02 AM
I still would like to know the step by step process that I can take for my husband and I to not pay any federal taxes.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
But fuck the rich for not picking up the entire tab!
as long as i can play your golf course when i want, i’ll split the tab.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Those people who “don’t pay taxes” don’t buy groceries? They don’t buy clothes? You don’t think the money they spend on sales tax for basic necessities is a much higher percentage of their income than a rich person?
We can leave the cliches out of this discussion.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Cant wait to have some little tax breaks of my own. CJ
My brother recently announced that he’s getting a tax break of his own next year. (BTW, he jokingly said that, had it been twins, he and my Sister in Law would have been better off having her not work).
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
whatever, cj. mine’s better.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Miz, your new avatar is greatness.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Although, I’m not in the camp of saying those who are having a hard time paying rent should pay more in taxes, the point that should be highlighted is that our tax system is messed up. You can tax the rich more, sure. I’m sure their extremely smart accountants won’t find a million ways to avoid paying it…
Tax reform. Lower rates while taking away loopholes and deductions, but keep the ones for charities and foundations and make the “rate incline” steeper. If you are poor pay 5%, middle class 10% over 200k 25%, over $10mil 30%…something like that.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Was this said dripping with sarcasm?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:04 AM
thanks, cleet.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:04 AM
Always. But I’m painting in broad strokes today.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
Yeah I cant wait to crunch the numbers to figure out what the benefit will be of staying working full time minus the cost of day care. If its really ridiculous I am going to campaign to stay home. Maybe do something part time.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
I left mine as Sean Taylor, because like him, my program does not have a pulse.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
1 – Have a mortgage
2 – Have a kid or two
3 – Have some student loan payments
4 – Pay some property taxes
It’s not black and white, but if you make little enough, those deductions should pretty much cancel out your federal tax burden.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
this.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:05 AM
No, they just don’t pay any federal income taxes — I thought that was pretty clear from the outset.
If you don’t want to contribue any federal tax revenue, that’s fine — as long as you give up your right to vote in national elections. Sounds like a fair trade-off.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:06 AM
clay, ATL, and htown – I’ll email it to you tonight…it’s on my home computer.
my email address is mizerle06(at)gmail(dot)com.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:06 AM
holy shit, that’d scare the living shit out of me. dude. we can’t do that. we’d be like dubai then with a fucking caste system. the poor have no rights and the rich would live like kings on the hill.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:07 AM
We do everything but #2 and I feel like we pay a lot of taxes. WTF.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:07 AM
That article didn’t really explain where the numbers came from either. I still don’t understand how all of these people are paying zero in income tax.
Maybe we should stop giving people with kids tax breaks? I’m sure that would help increase revenues.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:07 AM
1 – Have a mortgage
2 – Have a kid or two
3 – Have some student loan payments
4 – Pay some property taxes
1. Fuck.
2. Fuck.
3. Fuck. Graduating debt free isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, apparently.
4. Fuck.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:07 AM
Wow…so much wrong this its laughable. While we’re at it, why don’t we make African Americans 3/5 of a person again? That payroll tax is considered federal tax isn’t it?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:08 AM
Day care is insane, as is the cost of having a child. I’m glad I’m selfish.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:08 AM
If you make more than $73k you lose this tax credit.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:09 AM
But more importantly, stop people from shitting out kids.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:09 AM
The federal government essentially pays a married couple $1000 each year for your first kid. I think it goes down per child, but I’m not sure how much.
By no means am I saying having a kid is smart financial decision. That is insane. I’m just trying to explain why families who have middle class salaries end up with little to no federal income tax burden.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:11 AM
And I don’t think middle class or the poor have it too good, like FOX would have you believe. That is also insane. I’m just stating the facts.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:12 AM
As a single person. (right?) Married it’s twice that.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
If you don’t want to contribue any federal tax revenue, that’s fine — as long as you give up your right to vote in national elections. Sounds like a fair trade-off
Well that was the way our Founding Fathers set it up. Only tax payers (land owners) could vote.
Women didn’t pay taxes and so they couldn’t vote.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
if i refuse to pay taxes, am 3/5 of a person, and allow my voting rights to be revoked, can i still play your private country club course when i want? if so, we have a deal.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
Did I miss the memo that said the middle and lower class would get to stop paying taxes all together if the rich people start paying more income taxes?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
Hell fucking yes. Glad I knocked up the Mrs.
/straight cash homey
August 19th, 2011 at 10:15 AM
I am more on Mike’s side on this one. I don’t think it’s right (if it’s true) that 47% of the people don’t pay Federal Income Tax. I’m old, and it seems to me that it wasn’t this way 20-30 years ago before things like the earned income credit and all of that other stuff started creeping into the tax code.
I AM curious, though, and Mike has never answered this: He often says the top x percent pay y percent of the taxes but never answers what percent of the income that x percent earn.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:15 AM
Yes thats correct as a single person its $73k. The wife already paid off her loans, but I’ve got a a good amount to go though.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Fox News and Barista Mike would have you believe this.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:17 AM
The second part of the question really hurts their argument, though.That’s why you never hear the answer.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Did I miss the memo that said the middle and lower class would get to stop paying taxes all together if the rich people start paying more income taxes?
It’s either-or, SG. No sane solutions are allowed!
BTW, speaking of Aubrey O’Day, is anyone else a bit surprised to see Twitter turn so slutty? It’s becoming like the Myspace of old!
August 19th, 2011 at 10:18 AM
based on the sag, those puppies are real, right?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:19 AM
I never click a link from someone I don’t know, so I haven’t noticed.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:19 AM
I honestly don’t know, but it’s irrelevant — there is no fixed income pie which states only X amount of money can be earned by the national population. You can grow the pie.
This is more a debate of the rhetoric. Namely, of how The One has hijacked the English language when it comes to “fairness.” If you don’t pay any federal income tax then it seems rather unreasonable to complain about other people not paying their “fair share”, when they are paying x amount more than you are.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:19 AM
“earn” is the key word here.
i agree with mike that taxing the rich simply for being ambitious and successful isn’t right. it’d make more sense to tax their heirs who didn’t contribute to earning it by taxing life insurance proceeds for estates over a certain amount as long as they’re not tied into a business arrangement. or get rid of the lifetime gift exemption if you make over a certain figure per year.
it’s too easy to keep assets out of your taxable estate and heirs don’t deserve shit if they don’t take advantage of their privileged upbringing.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:19 AM
If you don’t want to contribue any federal tax revenue, that’s fine — as long as you give up your right to vote in national elections. Sounds like a fair trade-off.
sure, sounds fair. we preclude everyone that lives in a state that recieves more in federal aid than the state contributes in federal taxes from voting as well, right?
/pays federal taxes and has no member of Congress representing my interests
//the Nation’s capital is full of second-class citizens
August 19th, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Then what’s the answer?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:20 AM
The percentage of middle class folks buying everyday things like groceries, clothing and gasoline is much higher than the percentage of the rich buying the same. Even the rich’s massive purchases – properties, yachts, vacations – coupled with their grocery and gas buying don’t equal the everyday buying of the middle class.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:21 AM
I’ve asked him that question. He’ll never answer it.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:21 AM
Don’t have 10% unemployment.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
I didn’t know that that horrible Jet Li movie had that kind of power.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
Mike: The bottom 80% (as of 2007) own 15% of the total net worth and 7% of the financial wealth.
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
August 19th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
It’s EXTREMELY relevant. These statistics and tax rates you keep throwing out don’t exist in a fucking vacuum.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:23 AM
It’s true, I don’t know the answer to every tax-related question posed on TheBigLead.com. Please accept my apologies.
Maybe one of you can do the legwork and actually look it up since you’re so interested?
Nah.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:23 AM
There is a reason Bush told everyone to “go shopping”.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:24 AM
Relevant to what?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:25 AM
If the top 10 percent have 80 percent of the income, what percentage of the income tax should they pay? I think Mike would say it should be well less than 80 percent, where most here think it should be more than 80 since the “poor” don’t have extra money and things like sales tax are regressive. I personally don’t think it fair that we “punish” the rich for their success…wouldn’t mind a flat tax.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:25 AM
One of the many good Bush quotes. That man was pure gold in that category.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Thanks. So the top 20% worked their ass off to accumulate 85% of the country’s net worth.
And?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
That half of Americans don’t pay federal income tax.
I’ve said this before…EVERYBODY should be paying taxes, but we need to control the income gap before we tackle the tax rate.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
the rich would pay less than they already are while the less advantaged would be killed by a flat tax.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Who pays no income tax?
It’s not one person making $50K-$75K a year, it’s a married couple each bringing in $20K-$30K a year. The total numbers also include eldery who have very little income (if any at all). This makes much more sense to me.
Nothing like painting with a broad brush to make it sound like individuals earning $50K a year pay nothing in taxes.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:27 AM
So the top 20% worked their ass off
ha. for every mark cuban there’s 5 trust fund brats or children that were just handed the reigns of daddy’s business.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:28 AM
You asked, I gave you the info.
All of this. For some reason this fact falls on deaf ears to many people. There is a reason we don’t have a flat tax, people. It would CRUSH the poor.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
wouldn’t mind a flat tax.
the rich would pay less than they already are while the less advantaged would be killed by a flat tax
this. That’s Econ 101.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
come on dude. You have no idea how much effort it took for the majority of the rich people in this country make their money.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
It’s called finding a better job. No easier way to “control” the “income gap.”
August 19th, 2011 at 10:30 AM
Donald mother fucking Trump. I really hate that man.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:30 AM
I know most of you like to believe that the Paris Hilton’s of the world are the standard, but it’s true: all those doctors, lawyers and I-bankers out there — they actually went to school and work 70+ hours a week for their money.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:31 AM
It’s called finding a better job.
Okay. Problem solved. I’ll just start looking for one of those 100k a year jobs that are so plentiful right now.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
The income gap is a jobs problem. You can have lots and lots of very rich people. That is great. Good for them, doesn’t necessarily hurt anyone.
You just can’t have everyone else either unemployed or working at Wal-Mart. Which, unfortunately, has been the trend line for some time.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Whether people want to admit it or not, having such a massive income gap is not a good thing. Now, before you channel Sean Hannity, I’m not saying we should cap wages or anything like that. I am saying that ignoring the problem and saying “just go get a better job” is pretty damn dumb.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
I do three out of four of these (no kids) and I pay taxes. are kids really that much of a tax break? me don’t think so.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
That half of Americans don’t pay federal income tax.
I’ve said this before…EVERYBODY should be paying taxes, but we need to control the income gap before we tackle the tax rate.
EVERYONE pays taxes. some people don’t pay federal income tax, but those individuals pay a large percentage of their income in sales, gasoline, state and local taxes.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
that’s why we need to focus on estate tax reform…heirs do not deserve ridiculous wealth if they haven’t contributed to any it. THAT’S who should be taxed the most.
getting a relatively tax free vault full of cash just for being a lucky sperm is bullshit.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
Sounds easy to me! Why haven’t all you dumb fucks gone out and found a better job yet? You’re clearly so much lazier than all the rich people!
August 19th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
What was fair was the rich paying 70% marginal tax rate, supplying paying good jobs to the middle class while GDP grew 5% per year for the majority of the decade. Oh and it had a Republican president that helped pass the greatest public works program in the history of our country.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
Oh, and don’t forget the payroll tax, which is highly regressive, and has a ceiling.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
I don’t think the rich would be “punished” by having their tax rates returned to pre Bush tax cut levels. “Punishment” would be the tax rates from the 50′s. By the way, this country’s rich didn’t seem to be suffering so much during that level of “punishment”
August 19th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
link?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
lawyers can suck a dick…the created a legal system where they’re the only ones who can fucking read the language and then charge like crazy for procedural bullshit that’s more timecard punching than real work.
doctors, financial experts…that’s fine. but fuck lawyers right in the fucking face.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
We argue about taxes because everyone sees the debt figures and freaks out.
We have the debt figures because of the jobs problem. Not because the rich aren’t pay their fair share or because the poor or middle class have it too good.
We are underemployed and the too many of the employed aren’t making as good a wage as we used to make.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
getting a relatively tax free vault full of cash just for being a lucky sperm is bullshit
yep. but you forgot to call it the “Death tax” as the knobs on foxnews like to say.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
that’s funny.
his success is his TV show and his name brand, otherwise, not as great as he is marketed to be.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
no, they were too busy cleaning up after world war II.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Exactly. There are so many factors in play here. What we should do is give companies tax credits for keeping jobs in the states (or hit them with additional taxes if they opt to pay Sundeep 15 cents an hour). Right now the wealthiest are getting more and more, yet they aren’t producing job because they make more money by using dirt cheap labor elsewhere. I’m all for tax breaks on companies that keep jobs here or bring new ones stateside.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
Really enjoying tax law Friday here at TBL.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
It was part of the reason why the economy of the 90s flourished.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
his success is his TV show and his name brand, otherwise, not as great as he is marketed to be
Gotta love a guy that’s filed bankruptcy more than once commenting on fiscal responsibility.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
They do exist. Some people just want it more than others. I know the truth hurts.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
/stands and applauds
August 19th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Hey! He really worked hard to file for bankruptcy all those times!
August 19th, 2011 at 10:38 AM
seriously…we’re not all unique little snowflakes. ability gets paid.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Kind of how a basketball team “wants it more” and that’s why they won 88-86?
Such a pretentious asshole.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
ATL – drop me an email, brahsome.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
I would love to live in your black and white world. I’d be doing quite well for myself right now.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
They’re overseas in a great number.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
But rich people pay those taxes too.
If we want an equal system, Mike is right in saying that everybody should have to pay something for federal income tax.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:40 AM
ATL – drop me an email, brahsome.
is your email listed on that other site? i couldn’t find it. or do I already have it from the athens thread?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:40 AM
This is such a dickish statement. As if there aren’t hundreds of thousands of people (probably millions) who desperately want better jobs and do all they can. Unreal.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Kind of how a basketball team “wants it more” and that’s why they won 88-86?
Such a pretentious asshole.
/nods head.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
This thread took a depressing turn
/Returns to temp job
August 19th, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Again, why not go back the Clinton era-taxes?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:42 AM
I figured some Galtian ugliness would make an appearance sooner or later.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Fine, everyone is exactly the same and all people work just as hard as the next person. It’s just randomness and dumb luck that some people do better than others.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:43 AM
this is a consumer driven economy, and that consumerism isn’t driven by the rich.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Yesterday in Atlanta over 4,000 persons lined up for many hours in the blazing heat and humidity, some of them staying overnight, all dressed in suits and jackets for a 90-company job fair that provided 2,000 jobs. If that’s not wanting it, then I don’t know what is.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
i wanted to get better at golf and so did my roommate. i practice and play 30+ hours a week, he does not.
look at what you’re doing, husker…you’re wasting a morning talking on a sports blog. don’t you think your career would be better off if you used that time to focus on career advancement instead of yelling at the rich?
that’s mike’s point.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Not in the same % as a rich person. The federal tax on gasoline (poor people can vote now, Mike!) is a bigger portion of a poor person’s wallet, by far.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
See, you accuse others of busting out the broad brush and then you do the exact same thing. The fact that you honestly believe this is amazing to me. You honestly think that there are so many kick ass jobs and everyone is just so fucking lazy. You’re taking the worst of society and assuming everyone is like that.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Spencer gets it.
It’s been grand — until the next “fuck the rich (but please continue to supply 75% of the country’s revenue)” thread.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Comment 226
August 19th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
and how many MORE line up and wait even LONGER to get on american idol?
do you see the point? that 4k that lined up in atl for a job fair isn’t representative of the country’s entire population.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:46 AM
I’m working at the same time, actually. But I don’t Mike was referring to someone in my position, though I could be wrong. Read comment No. 312.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Of course some people are more ambitious than others. Some are more skilled, more talented.
It’s the notion that those differences explain the economy or should form an economic philosophy that is wrong.
By all means, be ambitious. But social Darwinism takes you to some scary places.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
so are you saying hard work is all it takes to be rich? Does this mean the CEO works harder than the Construction worker?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Comment 226
gracias.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
But you’re failing to see what the initial argument was about. Mike said the jobs are out there and it’s simply a matter of people being lazy. He’s flat out wrong. Yes, there are jobs, but for every job there are how many applicants? 20, 200, 2000?
August 19th, 2011 at 10:49 AM
o are you saying hard work is all it takes to be rich? Does this mean the CEO works harder than the Construction worker?
bunch of fucking slackers if you ask me.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
By the way, Mike once again proves that no one, not even TBL, is better at stirring the hornet’s nest.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
i think it’s a pretty good point too. add in the fact that everyone in this country has an opportunity to get a college degree, even the dirt poor can do so with the financial aid system we have.
it’s more of a meritocracy than you think and people should take more responsibility for their plight.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:51 AM
the world needs ditch diggers too.
/Smales
August 19th, 2011 at 10:51 AM
OK, so now you’re telling me that every single rich person spent every second of their day working? We’re all lazy people who dont work hard enough because we wasted a few moments of our day talking to you? That’s ridiculous.
Why bother going to work at all Spencer if you’re trying to be better at golf? You should quit your job so you can focus all your attention on golf! Don’t talk to your family, don’t talk to your friends, never have sex, spend every second of your day playing golf.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
yes there are people who want jobs, but for every six figure job they think they deserve, how many are qualified for it? 20, 200, 2000?
/road goes both ways
August 19th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
Holy shit. This is…jarring.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
I was under the impression that $2 gas was the answer to what ails our country and that is coming soon!
August 19th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
Check.
/spencer
August 19th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
I agree with you, with some caveats. One, it is true that if you are poor you are more likely to get a shitty elementary/high school education. And two, the cost of higher education is accelerating faster than financial aid (or anyone’s wages for that matter) can keep up.
Public college tuition is getting huge. And going to private college almost never makes financial sense at this point.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
August 19th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
the world needs ditch diggers too.
/Smales
“My Dad never liked you”
August 19th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
a lot of people are ambitious, a lot of people are lazy. a lot of people luck into money, others are unlucky and bust their ass their entire life and only remain somewhat comfortable. you’re all right, and you’re all wrong.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Plenty. We have a severe crisis of underemployment.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
I fail to see how that should preclude them from paying anything in federal taxes. Even if it’s next to nothing.
Just feel that if you’re an American you should be contributing a portion (however small it may be) to a tax that everybody else has to.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Don’t talk to your family, don’t talk to your friends, never have sex, spend every second of your day playing golf.
Check.
/spencer
W.O.W.!
August 19th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Check.
/spencer
BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
Heh.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
it’s really not that ridiculous…but we, at least certainly myself, don’t provide value to my company or clients that deserves to be compensated any more than i already am. if i wanted to make more, i could work harder…but im happy where im at.
because work pays for golf.
i haven’t gone to a weekly family dinner since june, the only friends i still talk to regularly are my golfing buddies and i practice 2.5 hours 4 days a week. im way ahead of you on that.
believe me…if i had the financial means to play 36 a day, i would in a cocaine heartbeat. im jealous of those rich kids that had that opportunity and much like CEO jr who was raised by his CEO dad, i fully realize that if i could ever hope to get on that level, i have to work my ass off in a focused manner.
you’re dealt the hand you’re dealt…what you make of it is on your shoulders. that was a hard realization coming out of college.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
but saying we’re only in afghanistan to “keep up appearances” is straight up retarded.
i said that could be the end result, not what we are doing now.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
oh, and some people do hit a really shitty streak with health which wipes them out. the way the world works. sometimes the gov’t plays a part, sometimes they don’t. what’s the biggest problem with solution? if you can say with 100% what it is, I will vote for you to be ruler of the country.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Thread over.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:58 AM
indeed…i don’t wanna argue any more because im coming off like an asshole. plus…IT’S BEAUTIFUL OUTSIDE!
/practice golf swing
August 19th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
The weird thing is the majority of people looking for a job aren’t looking for a six figure job. Right now what I’d like is a full time job with minimal benefits and a few paid days off a year.
I got my college degree. It helped me land my first job. Now I’m going BACK to school to get a certification to help me get a different job because my college diploma and 10 years work experience aren’t helping me get a full time job.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
you’re dealt the hand you’re dealt…what you make of it is on your shoulders. that was a hard realization coming out of college.
i wish more people would understand that.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:03 AM
I saw yesterday that the US is the only develolped country with no guaranteed vacation and holidays as dictated by federal law. We love to work here, probably the reason why so many of us are so stressed out and we have a higher percentage of mental illness as a percentage of our population.
Hell even Kaszakhstan gives their workers ten guaranteed days off a year.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
indeed…i don’t wanna argue any more because im coming off like an asshole
but you are an asshole, right?
August 19th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
probably why im rich AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.
now get up on that hill and tell me where my drive lands, caddy bitch.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
add in the fact that everyone in this country has an opportunity to get a college degree, even the dirt poor can do so with the financial aid system we have.
This is part of the problem, I think. Not everyone should go to college, but we have created a system where everyone feels the need to and then expects to get that $100,000 job when they get out (having taken $75,000 in loans). When they end up working at Wal-Mart, this becomes a problem. Another part of the problem is the good jobs that once existed for non-college types, simply don’t exist in this country anymore.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
but you are an asshole, right?
actually, dude couldn’t be nicer.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Awww!
August 19th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
/blushes
August 19th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
/rises from knees
August 19th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
I think Rod Stewart sang a song about it.
August 19th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
The issue of “fair” comes into play when you take the income a person makes and reduce it by a minimum standard of living for that person and everyone else he/she is financially responsible for (read: kids, or in my case wife and kids) and then take all of the everyday taxes that everyone pays (gas, sales, etc.) as a percentage of the remaining money. For someone that makes $30k/year, those taxes are a helluva lot higher percentage of their remaining income than for someone that makes $200k. So federal income tax is graduated to reduce this gap – and it still doesn’t get anywhere close to evening things out. If you include all taxes paid: income, sales, property, etc. as a percentage of income, poor people pay a much higher burden than the rich.
/Late to the party
August 19th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
What we should do is give companies tax credits for keeping jobs in the states (or hit them with additional taxes if they opt to pay Sundeep 15 cents an hour).
You’ll be on the Jersey/Held Over econ team for sure.