Would Virginia Tech Be a Good Fit in the SEC?
Just like it did in the summer of 2010, college football expansion chatter has gripped the country (fine, just the internet) for the last few days. Texas A&M was going to the SEC! Meetings were being held! The ACC was on the cusp of being pillaged! The Big 12 was being held together by scotch tape! Everyone and their mom had “sources” saying who the SEC wanted to add as a 14th team. A few media types got frothy (again) and speculated that the SEC was going to add Texas A&M and three other teams to become a 16-team Super Conference. Sunday evening, the SEC suits released a carefully-worded statement:
“The SEC Presidents and Chancellors met today and reaffirmed our satisfaction with the present 12 institutional alignment. We recognize, however, that future conditions may make it advantageous to expand the number of institutions in the league. We discussed criteria and process associated with expansion. No action was taken with respect to any institution including Texas A&M.”
The anti-A&M crowd is reading it this way – the Aggies never had an invite! That’s silly, of course. Read it again. The statement is ambiguous. Very open-ended. It sounded like, “can everyone calm down? We don’t want any legal issues, so let Texas A&M pull out of the Big 12 and we’ll make our move. It’ll take a couple of weeks. Be patient.” A few hours later, Texas mouthpiece Texas rivals reporter Chip Brown ran with this:
A source locked into Texas A&M’s situation said the Aggies will be announced as members of the Southeastern Conference beginning in 2012 within 21 days.
So now that the Aggies are going to the SEC – Brown is very plugged in at Texas, so it’s safe to assume this is a done deal – can we proceed with finding the league a 14th team? I still think Missouri would be a logical fit – expanding into the Midwest, two good TV markets, not getting a program that will be an immediate threat – but what about Virginia Tech?
While the 21st and 31st TV markets in St. Louis and Kansas City would expand the SEC’s reach if it added Missouri, Virginia Tech is just four hours south of Washington DC, which is the 9th largest TV market. Do you think the SEC would like to get some play in the DC-New York-Boston corridor? Of course. College football has little or no presence in the Northeast, with the exception of Penn State (a big deal in Philly), one Rutgers run a few years ago and occasional love for Boston College. From that angle, doesn’t Virginia Tech make more sense than Missouri?
From Virginia Tech’s point of view, how much would a move to the SEC help on the recruiting front?
Tech is in a perfect location to clean up in recruiting with the SEC as a selling point. Its proximity to North Carolina, West Virginia and the DC/Maryland hub = tons of talent (here’s a Rivals breakdown). Virginia Tech already gets its share of prime-time games and solid exposure on ESPN. That would be taken to another level if it were playing in the loaded SEC.
The partnership seems to make sense for both parties. The only angle that I can see Virginia Tech balking at is the big fish-small pond aspect. Would the Hokies rather dominate the weak ACC – 3-1 in title games since the league started one in 2005 – and have an easy road to the BCS (1-4 in five appearances; that’s more BCS appearances than everyone in the SEC but Florida)? Gosh, I hope not.
Since you’re wondering, Virginia Tech has already responded to rumors of a move to the SEC.
“Virginia Tech is exceedingly pleased with our membership in the ACC. It is the perfect conference for us. The university administration has no interest in any discussion concerning affiliation with any conference other than the ACC.”
Right.

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August 15th, 2011 at 10:06 AM
I’ve been saying this for a while now. Virginia Tech gives the SEC exactly what it wants. It expands the television footprint, it keeps the conference in the South and it adds a solid football program. I would prefer the SEC stays pat, but if they add A&M, Virginia Tech would be my first phone call. Adding Clemson, Florida State or Miami, as many have speculated, adds nothing.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:12 AM
A&M wants to leave to get out Texas’ shadow and if the Ags are going to be an overrated program that hardly ever wins bowl games and conference titles, they might as well piggyback off the SEC’s reputation. Virginia Tech doesn’t have the wins problem and they’re pretty much assured a BCS game every other year.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:13 AM
if VaTech came into the SEC, they would never again have that lofty, fraudulent national ranking.
everyone’s a winner.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:17 AM
This is a good point. VT may look around the ACC and think they are going to be, at worst, the third best team every single year. If Miami doesn’t pick it up (or they get NCAA’d) they will be at worst the 2nd best team every year.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:18 AM
i would love nothing more that to watch Bama curb-stomp the Hokies every year.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:18 AM
I mean… I guess I could buy VT will pull in a few viewers in DC. But in NY and Boston? I don’t see it.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:18 AM
Wouldn’t any advantage be negated by having to play much better teams on a weekly basis?
The only question is simply: would a move to the SEC make more money for VaTech than staying pat?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:19 AM
Not saying the SEC, if they desire additional members, wouldn’t consider VT. But I don’t think “getting more viewers in Massachusetts” is what is driving VT’s inclusion.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:20 AM
And VT accepts anyone able to write their own name on an application, so they would fit in with the SEC there too.
Saying VT would get you the DC market is like saying adding Rutgers gets you NYC. It doesnt.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:20 AM
Question. If the PAC 10/BIG 10/SEC keep picking off teams from the ACC and BIG 12 will the BCS do something about the automatic bids that those conferences get?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:21 AM
HAHAHAHAHA…no.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:22 AM
Doesn’t get them to watch, but the league wouldn’t care about that. They would only be worried about the cable TV subscriber base.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Indeed. If that was TBL’s point, though, he wouldn’t have included NY and BOS.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:24 AM
The coming Cuse resurgence is something I’ll enjoy more if it’s a surprise.
/braces for laughs
August 15th, 2011 at 10:25 AM
i thought VT was a really good school that was tough to get into…was i wrong in this assumption?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
They need to get rid of the Big (L)East first.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Knoxville is 3 hours north of Atlanta, 3 hours east of Nashville, and 3.5 hours west of Charlotte. obviously, the Volunteers have those markets locked down.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
They already get ESPN. There isnt an SEC network to try to force on a sports package.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Saying VT would get you the DC market is like saying adding Rutgers gets you NYC. It doesnt.
except for the small fact that northern VA and DC are FLOODED with VT alumni. that market would soon crumble after several 5-7 seasons in-a-row, however.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:28 AM
This.
From a TV-ad $$ perspective, Missouri makes more sense … creep into the Midwest where college is bigger. Div I College FB carries little weight north of College Park, MD. Heck, Div I-AA and Div II carry more weight than Div I.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:28 AM
i thought VT was a really good school that was tough to get into…was i wrong in this assumption?
not really. good engineering school, but the rest isn’t anything special. the smart (and faggy) kids in VA go to UVA.
/shot 79 friday
//one-up’d ya
August 15th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
You don’t think that is where the SEC is going? It’s pretty damn obvious the SEC will create it’s own Network is a few years.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
VT would be a better fit for the big ten than the SEC in terms of style of play.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
except for the small fact that northern VA and DC are FLOODED with VT alumni
Add south central PA to that list as well. Many who aren’t PSU fans are VT fans. However, this region isn’t nearly as college football crazy as the SEC.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:30 AM
Admission standards have nothing to with football at ANY big college program.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:31 AM
YOU SON OF A BITCH.
btw…tried out my roomie’s mp-67 blades all weekend. fucking BUTTER. not that hard to hit either. only had one mishit with my irons all weekend. mizzy’s are the tits supreme.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
People need to realize a couple of things: one, the B10 gets paid per TV household, so getting the entire state of VA plus the DC area would be a big deal. It doesn’t matter if they watch the network or not, the conference would still get paid. Two, adding Missouri and their 50,000 seat stadium would be high comedy. They can’t win the Big 12, so imagine how the boys from the SEC will treat them.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:34 AM
Good point … but they could be the cat’s meow during basketball season.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
Kentucky will always be that character with Calipari, but they would certainly be a top-tier program as bball in the SEC is white noise until spring football starts.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
I dont think it can, ESPN overpaid for the rights to keep that from happening. The SEC Network already exists, it shows stuff on ESPN3 and espn’s pay per view college football/basketball package.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:35 AM
67′s are nice. I tried those McGregors out Friday. They weren’t bad, but by yesterday I was back to the MP-32′s. 6 pars, birdie, a 7 and an 11 on the back nine…
/ugh
August 15th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
I hope the SEC just sits still. 12 teams per conference is enough for me. You’ve already got a title game.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
will he give you the 67s now that he has the nikes?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:36 AM
Knoxville is as close to Atlanta and Charlotte as it is to Nashville?
/most surprising thing I learned from this post
August 15th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Actually, I don’t think it’s even remotely obvious that is going to happen. In fact, I think just the obvious.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
if the SEC wanted to add a basketball school with a shitty football program and stadium, it would add Memphis.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:37 AM
This is truth. PA only really has Penn State and Pitt (and Pitt sucks), Jersey has Rutgers, and NY and up is mainly filled with I-AA, II and III teams and the Ivyies. Except for BC, the Northeast isn’t as crazy about college football. Lots of ND, PSU alum though.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:38 AM
I interviewed at both UNC and UVa, and UVa >>>>> UNC, and it’s not even close. I didn’t really hang with any undergrads, so maybe the grad experience is that much different, but UVa kids and faculty all seemed pretty nice and genuine, and I have nothing bad to say about it.
UNC on the other hand can suck a tailpipe.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Oops, meant “opposite”.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
getting the entire state of VA plus the DC area
you’re not getting DC no matter who you are. the city’s too diverse. it’s like new york without the new york fan base.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
those mp32′s are MONEY tho.
and i feel your pain on the scoring. friday afternoon, had 2 birdies against three bogeys and a double heading into 16. went double, bogey, bogey to close. putt for 79 was less than a foot short.
/if only that eagle putt on 2 didn’t lip out…FACK
we’re gonna trade…he has some mp-57 heads that need shafting. i’ll take em to the guy who works on my clubs and have them shafted (he’s gonna give them to his brother) and instead of paying me back, i’ll just get the mp67s as a trade.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:39 AM
/crosses Phillymantis off the christmas card list
//jots down note on spreadsheet for Sox-Phillies series next year
August 15th, 2011 at 10:40 AM
They have an out after a couple of years I believe. I think they can opt out after 4-5 years, and this will be the 2nd of the contract.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
230 miles to Charlotte, 215 to Atlanta, and 190 to Nashville.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
VT has a massive fanbase in the Northern Virginia market. Enormous.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
One thing about Virginia Tech that can’t be overlooked — the power of the Virginia legislature in keeping UVA and Va Tech together. I know a few Va Tech fans quite well, and not a single one thinks that Va Tech will either entertain interest from the SEC, and even if they did, would find it very difficult to untangle themselves from the ACC.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
I didn’t even go to Penn St, but my entire family did, kinda how the cookie crumbles.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
Would Virginia Tech Be a Good Fit in the SEC?
It all depends if they are able to get away with the same recruiting violations as everyone else.
/had to say it.
ersey has Rutgers, and NY and up is mainly filled with I-AA, II and III teams and the Ivyies.
UConn’s not that bad.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:41 AM
this is not the best deal for a&m, it really isnt. maybe they dont have a choice, but they will not make more money, and they will not be more competitive. so why the fuck are they so adamant on going?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:42 AM
I disagree. The money they can make will be massive. The B10 network changed everything because it’s been so profitable. The only way they don’t create their own network is if ESPN/CBS/FOX whomever makes them an offer they can’t pass up (which is certainly a possibility). The Pac12 deal made the SEC deal obsolete and the SEC is worth way more than what the Pac12 got.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:42 AM
because they haven’t done shit lately and want SOMETHING to have for ammo against texas fans.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Jay, I said the same thing a few days ago – didn’t the VA legislature push the ACC to take VT when they weren’t included in the original teams for the ACC expansion? How would they (the legislature) feel about VT bolting?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
Then why does the areas best players all go to Penn State?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
The ACC certainly does blow in football right now, but it could potentially be a viable football conference down the road.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
now that I am scoring better, it is so much more noticable when I blow up a hole or two. my back nine yesterday I had 4 pars in the first five holes, and ended bogey, double, triple, bogey. I also played from the blue’s for the first time ever, which didn’t help a whole lot.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:44 AM
/stomps feet
This really wasn’t that long ago. If Marrone makes the program respectable again, Cuse will draw.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Problem with VT is they’re not going to the SEC without a fight…the VA pols put a lot of muscle into getting VT into the ACC not too long ago. There’s a reason why the VT AD just said he’d politely decline an SEC invite.
As for UNC…the ACC would have to be dead and buried for them to leave, and even then, I don’t think they’d go SEC just due to academic reasons (Delaney apparently has UNC/Duke in mind if the Big 10 ever expands again).
So…while the SEC may want VT or UNC more than Missouri, Missouri is DTF. VT and UNC…not so much.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:45 AM
I’d like to see the financials of what the SEC makes off of CBS.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Huskerdawg, is the SEC worth a lot more than the Pac12 in the “create your own network” model? Everyone says it is not about ratings, it is about # of cable boxes. Look at the size of most of the cities in the Pac12 – Seattle, Portland. SF, LA, Phoenix, Denver and Salt Lake.
ESPN/CBS deals are about ratings but aren’t conference networks about # of tvs not how many are watching?
August 15th, 2011 at 10:47 AM
I think you’d have to look at what they make from CBS and ESPN, but I think the B10 brought in more this year. Now, the deal the SEC is going to get when they renegotiate may be so good that they choose to not go to an SEC network, but you can be damn sure that the SEC will float the idea for negotiating purposes.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
The deal isn’t per household for the Pac 12, or at least I think it isn’t. They have a deal with Fox/ESPN much in the same way that the SEC has with CBS/ESPN.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
I feel your pain… I lose my slot/elbow placement periodically, and this course wasn’t very forgiving of wayward shots.
Had a few beautiful shots on the back. One on a par 3 with water left and long, and a two-club head wind blowing left to right. 135 yards, took an 8 iron (normally about 160 for me), and aimed 10 yards into the water and let the wind blow it back and onto the green.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:48 AM
I still think West Virginia is a player in this thing before it’s all said and done.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Then why does the areas best players all go to Penn State?
really? that’s a shitty talent base
August 15th, 2011 at 10:49 AM
oh yea.
playing from a longer set of tees really changes the course. if i play from something like 6,300 or less and don’t have to rely on driver, golf’s way easier and way more fun. i love the challenge of the back tees tho.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Let’s call it vocal (they’re winners). If UVa was winning (cue laughter), I think you’d see a larger fan base.
/UVa grad
//We’re wine and cheese
///pops collar
August 15th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Being that a significant portion of the DC market is Northern Virginia, I’d say yes it does. Tech going to the SEC would kill UVA and Maryland even more than it’s doing right now, and further expand Tech’s recruiting area in the northeast.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:51 AM
How many are watching helps them sell to advertisers but yeah, most of their income comes from cable subscription fees I imagine.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
Can’t hang with you guys. Shot an 87 on vacation last week in Myrtle. With two effing 7s …
August 15th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
Huskerdawg you are correct – the Pac12 Network is with Fox and ESPN – the difference between it and the current Big10 Network is that the Big 10 Network gets the leftover games while they will rotate games in the Pac12, each gets to pick first for which game they want in alternate weeks. So the Pac12 Network will have the best game once every 3 weeks, the 2nd best game once every 3 weeks, etc…
/as I understand it
August 15th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
VT football, huge fanbase, feel the excitement.
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/772099/acc_championship_game_crowd_view_2007_empty_stadium_jacksonville_altel_acc_sucks_sux.jpg
August 15th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
looks fucking beautiful tho.
very nice.
had one of those holes myself…group ahead let me play thru. wind at our back off the tee, but the hole doglegged 90* right. hit a towering 4-iron into the wind and landed four feet from the 150 mark (about 215 from the tee) then hit a great choked up fade w 7i against the wind that was now coming in from the right to 10 feet. drilled the putt for my 2nd bird. such a great feeling. so fucking addicting.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Just a reminder…UVA is currently in the midst of a 3 game losing streak.
To Duke.
/suck it
//Bowl Game this year!
August 15th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
shit, you’re fine. everyone’s gonna take a 7 here or there…can’t beat yourself up over it.
i took a 9 two weeks ago that needed six shots to get out of the trees. woulda been a birdie if i didn’t hit it into trees twice!
August 15th, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Benjamin Franklin Rodriquez is on to something…..except that Tech will get get killed in the SEC so it blows his argument.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
The Pac12 TV deal is with Fox and ESPN, but the Pac12 Network is something else entirely.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
The U may be in some trouble.
August 15th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Just one hole like this is enough to keep you coming back. Love hearing these.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
I do enjoy this link by the way. http://www.edwinwattsgolf.com/wattsinthebag/2011/32.html It’s a weekly feature, and I find it interesting to see who plays what (on the right you can look at past weeks)
August 15th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
/golf humanized
August 15th, 2011 at 11:03 AM
/searching for a reply
//remembers neither football program is relevant
///drinks more bourbon
August 15th, 2011 at 11:03 AM
i could’ve sworn i saw keegan using a titleist 909 hybrid on the tee at 18…guess cleveland/srixon would rather keep that under wraps tho.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
want another…
took a 10 about a month ago. penalty on the drive, 3rd off the tee, fourth into trees, fifth and sixth out of trees, shanked pitch seventh, on the green in eight, two putts for 10. the first drive and the shanked pitch were the only poorly struck shots the entire hole. but trees FUCKING SUCK no matter how well you’re hitting it.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
This.
I just learned that there was actually some legislative action taken when the big east was getting poached, preventing uva from voting on anything withing the acc that might have a negative impact on vt.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Tech wouldn’t get killed in the SEC now. Getting that recruiting boost on a move to the SEC would make them more than competitive.
**check that, they’d still have that archaic coaching staff***
August 15th, 2011 at 11:07 AM
No ESC maximum for you? The USGA says I can, at most, take a 7. I’ll agree on the trees, though. I hit a beautiful 4i last week and it clipped one branch to get knocked down 10 yards past the tree and 35 short of the green.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
UVA also has a one game losing streak to my alma mater W&M and JMU beat VT last year.
CAA football > ACC football.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
I’ll take it.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
Really hate courses that have a huge tree right in the middle of the damn fairway. Nothing like striping a drive, getting there and realizing you’re fucked.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
do you have a stadium shot of the Boise State game?
August 15th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
because they haven’t done shit lately and want SOMETHING to have for ammo against texas fans.
what ammo? that they are now the new ole miss?
August 15th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
guess cleveland/srixon would rather keep that under wraps tho.
swore i saw him hitting the TM CB irons
August 15th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
ill cap it at 10. if i abort a hole that bad, im pissed enough as it is and those 1-2 extra strokes aren’t going to make my score any worse.
he was hitting cleveland irons. cg16 tours, i think.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Yeah, this came out last year. It may be something but it will take more than a book written by a felon, he needs to have hard evidence.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
TJ: PGA championship…last word. great quote about the lack of big names on there.
August 15th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
The line in the article about him feeling like a used friend once the players turned pro was hilarious, though.
August 15th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
VT alum (and noted Jets fan)here, living in DC now. There is a huge VT alum/fanbase around here for obvious reasons, so I could see the argument being made for adding a TV market. Sure, our ACC championship games are more like regular season games, but we sold out uber-monstrosity Fedex Field for the Boise game no problem, and that’s around 4-5 hours from the school. The alums/fanbase here would definitely enjoy watching the team play SEC teams each week over ACC teams not named FSU/Miami/Clemson.
I just don’t think we’re THAT hardcore about joining the SEC, like A+M’s students chanting ‘S-E-C’ last week. We haven’t been castrated like the entire Big 12 over Texas’s TV deal(s). We have a cakewalk to a BCS game every year (of course we still botch that). And politically, as noted above, it would be a problem after all the pressure to get us into the ACC years ago.
That being said it would be awesome to watch us run up the middle three times in a row before punting vs all the SEC teams, except for the random passing play that is executed as perfectly as was surely drawn up in practice.
Also we’re losin’ vs App state this year week 1. Go Hokies.
August 15th, 2011 at 6:39 PM
I’m tired at looking at Fat Frank Beamer on your homepage. Please move on to something else. They dominate the ACC because it’s pathetically weak. They would get crushed in the SEC. Maybe good for the SEC. Bad for Tech.
August 16th, 2011 at 1:28 AM
The SEC wants name schools that suck ( Clemson, aTm, FSU, Miami FL) to continue to give the veneer that they are tougher than they actually are. VT is too good, and Blacksburg is often below freezing in October/November. VT would go to the SEC and go 9-3 or 10-2 every year.
While it may attract the Boston market (half the student body at Roanoke College is from Boston, and the Red Sox Single A Affiliate is in Salem), the SEC wouldn’t be able to handle 4 games a year in oppressive sleet playing sloppy football.
August 16th, 2011 at 1:32 AM
omgshutup, if their punting game on Saturday is indicative of their season outlook, then yes, a loss to Appy State is within the realm of possibility. The backup QB sure played well though!!!
August 29th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
I doubt Va Tech would be interested in the SEC, even with the money, because except for Florida and Vanderbilt, most SEC schools don’t have the same level of academic prestige. They fit much better from that perspective with Duke, UVA, UNC and many of the ACC schools. Their student body is similar to those schools as well, with many students from the Northeast. They would certainly bring the DC, Richmond, Hampton Roads, Charlotte and Baltimore TV markets, as well as generate some limited excitement in other northeast markets.