DeSean Jackson: Mediocre Receiver with Low Catch Rate or Big Play Receiver?
Bill Barnwell of Grantland thinks that DeSean Jackson is a bad bet for the Eagles, or whatever team signs him after the season, because, as Bill says, “DeSean Jackson needs to catch the damn ball more.”
He raises two main points about Jackson. The first is his low catch rate (51.8% of all passes targeted at him for his career) which ranks him 47th out of 55 receivers with 200 targets or more since 2008. The second is his drops, which is somewhat related to his catch rate, as changing those drops to catches would raise his rate. Football Outsiders estimated 11 drops for Jackson in 2010, and 6 the year before.
Football Outsiders had Jackson as the 44th best wide receiver by DVOA in 2010, down from 23rd in 2009. Barnwell closes with:
Under Andy Reid, the Eagles have been built around an efficient, reliable passing offense and a financial system designed to give the organization cost certainty by signing players to contracts below their market value. That’s entirely at odds with Jackson’s skill set and current station, which makes it hard to reconcile how Jackson fits in with Philadelphia after this season.
There are two ways to look at DeSean Jackson. One is the above — he provides flash and big plays, but it is offset by his inefficiency in making catches, and when it washes out, he’s an average receiver (in 2010) and above average but not in the top 20 in 2009. A second way to look at it is that he plays a role in an offense, in fact a damn important role in why the Eagles have an efficient, reliable passing offense, and his big plays are very important.
I mean, the poor Eagles offense, burdened with the inefficient Jackson. Just imagine what they would be without him, since they somehow managed to score more points in each season he has played than any other in franchise history (and more points per game than every team going back to the halcyon days of Steve Van Buren in the late 40′s).
It’s interesting that the team has a similar overall yards per completion in the 3 years with Jackson as the 3 years before (12.11 to 12.10) but a higher completion percentage (60.8% to 58.0%) and yards per attempt (7.36 to 7.02) and more points (26.75 vs. 21.75 per game). Maybe they would be better without his 51.8% completion rate pulling that down, or maybe, just maybe, he’s driving the efficiency of the rest of the passing game, and plugging some guy that catches 60% of the balls thrown his way and making fewer big plays would actually cause the rest of the offense to be less efficient.
Some guys with high yards per catch figures are the beneficiaries of power running games that leave single coverage against run fronts. This would be Ashley Lelie, playing for Denver with Mike Shanahan, who a link in that article calls the most similar season to Jackson last year.
Other guys with high yards per catch dictate the coverage, and that’s Jackson. LeSean McCoy by himself isn’t scaring anyone. He’s a nice solid player, but not a star. His productivity in the screen game is a function of the how the safeties and linebackers have to drop to cover for DeSean’s big plays and Vick’s arm. I think this is a reversal of how the Eagles played before Jackson, when Brian Westbrook, a much more dynamic weapon than McCoy, drove the offense from the other direction.
I agree with Barnwell that DVOA does tend to undervalue big plays, and thus is undervaluing Jackson. Big plays are important with football, because they eliminate the need to be efficient. No offense is 100% efficient. A 60 yard strike is a lot of first downs, and false starts, and tackles behind the line avoided. When I look at the 1,000 yard receivers over the last five years, the 15 lowest in yards per reception — and thus with high reception totals — played for teams that won 7.7 games, even with the presence of 3 Wes Welker years including the 16-0 season. The 15 highest yards per reception averaged 8.9 wins, despite the presence of Calvin Johnson on 0-16 Detroit.
All this is not to say that Philadelphia must re-sign him on his terms. Maybe he’s asking for Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson money. He’s not that, and the drops and efficiency come into play there. The Eagles could view him as a risk, despite his obvious explosive ability, because of his size and the concussion issues last year. He’s not the biggest guy and you could question how he will hold up, particularly because part of his value is as a punt returner, which also increases his injury risk.
Still, I don’t think he’s anywhere close to the 44th best receiver, and I don’t think that accounts for his impact on the offense. I would put him in the 10-15 range given all the factors from catch rate to big plays to how he dictates coverage for teammates. Let’s not act like Andy Reid grows excellent receivers on trees — I remember plenty of picks on guys like Fred Mitchell and Todd Pinkston and Reggie Brown that make me question whether Andy Reid can just plug someone in and let Jackson go.
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August 10th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Lisk, brah, subtlety.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Stats and the eye test ? The internet is going to fold within itself.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
This is pretty awesome, Lisk
August 10th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
The first is his low catch rate (51.8% of all passes targeted at him for his career) which ranks him 47th out of 55 receivers with 200 targets or more since 2008.
This is as far as I’ve gotten, but old Don McNabb liked throw Jackson bounce passes. He caught some of those, but they didnt’ make it in the stat book.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
He’s perfect for Phiily, though. Avant and Maclin can be the possession guys while Desean creates space by going deep. You have to put two guys on him because he’s so damn fast. I agree that he’s probably a bit overrated, and he’s not a go-to WR like Andre or Fitz, but within Philly’s system he’s damn important.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
As an Eagles fan, this is the theory I subscribe to.
Sign him, Howie Roseman. Make it happen.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Great write up.
Lisk loves to air it out. Him and Al Davis are kindred spirits, whether he wants to admit it or not.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
A second way to look at it is that he plays a role in an offense, in fact a damn important role in why the Eagles have an efficient, reliable passing offense, and his big plays are very important
him and maclin both get so far down the field on passing plays. This kid is amazing. I hope Maclin never plays again and I hope this guy holds out all year. I’m rooting for the Brent Celek show.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Ha. Gotta see that All-22 tape in football to really KNOW what’s going on. FO and others do great work that is meaningful and helps us understand the game, but they can’t make an accurate assessment of a guy like DeSean (yet, anyway).
August 10th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
I feel like he’s fallen so far out of the offense, that someone needs to introduce Celek to Michael Vick.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
As has already been touched on, but I must reiterate so Lisk doesn’t think I’m a dick for comment No. 1. – Jackson might not be a big-time guy, but he’s a key part of how that offense works and the Eagles would benefit greatly by keeping him around for a while.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
To me, he’s the most exciting player in football … I don’t think that makes him worth Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson money, but it’s worth something. Great post Lisk.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I’d pay him in the 20-25 range. You are paying for his speed essentially. Given his size/injury history as well as the exposure he has on punt returns (as you mentioned), anything more would not be worth the investment, because once that speed is gone, he has little else to offer (in terms of the contract he would have).
August 10th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I feel like he’s fallen so far out of the offense, that someone needs to introduce Celek to Michael Vick.
they’d be better off introducing Brent Celek to the blocking sled.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
He should be paid a little bit better than Devin Hester is because that’s exactly what he is. A better WR and not quite as dynamic of a kick returner but still pretty good.
That said, as a fan of the team that gave a player with those types of skills a multiyear contract, I’d franchise him before giving him a long term deal. It makes more sense.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
This. I hope Meseans posse points to the crazy deal that Fitzgerald will sign this year and say ‘see you should be making that kind of cash’.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
The Eagles have to be (and they know it) careful because of the concussion thing and his body, but the kid would be great in any system. Have to account for him at all times.
That opening TD on MNF against the Skins last year is the sort of thing that DC’s are in constant fear of with the Eagles.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Jackson’s fucking awesome. Get outta here with your damn stats.
/Excellent post Lisk
//But I really love me some D-Jack
August 10th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Exactly right. His uncommon speed is not something you can prepare for.
This was a really, really long way of saying “Jackson fits the scheme and opens things up for the rest of the offense.”
August 10th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
I’d pay him in the 20-25 range.
You have to bonus him and get two years out of him,and then see again. Because he’s puny. Bonus him now, two years up front (like 14 million or whatever) and then the next 2 years, the salary is the minimum. So 7.5 per. Then, show a roster bonus of 14 million more for 2013 training camp. He’ll probably be dead by then, if anybody gets to hit him once more.
That concussion he got last year was uuuuuuugly.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
desean jackson is my least favorite player in the nfl. i wish bad things would happen to him and only him. please die slow, desean.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
I’d franchise him before giving him a long term deal.
but he’s holding out of camp now, dumb dumb. You can’t franchise him now. He’s currently under a paltry contract. Besides, franchising him will cost more than 10 million dollars for one season.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
I must reiterate so Lisk doesn’t think I’m a dick for comment No. 1
Go drink some more water, you prick. Leave dick face alone
August 10th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
The only stats that matter with this kid are fantasy stats.
/my team the last two years.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
please die slow, desean.
he’s so fast, he’s even going to die quickly.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
You know my feelings on players holding out. I’m not going down that road again.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
All those swing/shovel/screen passes to Mccoy and Vick runs are made possible by Safties trying to stay off Youtube looking slow as hell. Also NFL Redzone would be significantly less fun without CJ and Desean.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
With all the acquisitions the Eagles have made this past two weeks, how much do they even have left to spend?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
He’s going to get paid in the next couple of weeks. It’s going to be a deal that protects the Eagles long-term but sets Jackson for life, but will be obviously less than he would get as a free agent.
Because that is smart for Jackson (who protects himself from injury this year) and smart for the club (who will lock him up during his prime at below market rate).
August 10th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
I have Dallas drafting Vontaze in next years draft so by week 10 or so of 2012 Desean Jackson should be eliminated.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
I didn’t watch a ton of Eagles games last year but I seem to recall some of Jackson’s drops were due to bad throws or deflections. Are they counting every ball thrown in his general direction? What about any time he’s overthrown? Does that count towards his catch rate?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
You know my feelings on players holding out..
is it cluelessness? Because generally my understanding is that you are clueless about all subjects.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
It’s sad to watch the baseball nerds begin to infect football discussion. I feel like stats are starting to creep into the daily football discussions like they do in baseball. I’m not a big fan.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
They would like you (or more accurately, Drew Rosenhaus) to believe not as much as they really do.
But it appears still several million under this year’s cap, with plenty of opportunity to get Jackson a solid deal, especially considering their creative contracting skills.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
I’m pretty up to speed when it comes to cluelessness.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
DeSean Jackson: Mediocre Receiver with Low Catch Rate or Big Play Receiver?
Definitely a AAA rated douchebag.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
He is fun as hell to have on your team. I remember being out 50 points going into the 4 o’clock games and having d-Jack and 1 mediocre player going the rest of the way. Jackson puts up 35 in the first half and didn’t play the 2nd or something crazy like that. Guy is electric and can make anything happen at anytime. He also can do a solid disappearing act as well.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
/adds Husker to newsletter subscription list
It usually takes about 2-3 weeks for your systems to update though. You should receive it by the end of August though.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I’m not a big fan.
More of a Red Zone Network kinda guy?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
I remember when Desean Jackson dropped this pass.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
i like my football nerds to obsess over scheme and strategy but i like the stats discussion too just because it’s too easy to make stupid blanket statements like sucking for 32 games is ok because you fluked your way to two AFC championship games in the playoffs.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
It’s sad to watch the baseball nerds begin to infect football discussion.
Oh, so you were that guy in HS.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
creative contracting skills.
they should help MLB out with that pesky Pittsburgh Pirates problem, then.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Andy Reid’s son drops off a duffle bag of yayo?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
damn this season of Viking football is going to be AWESOME.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
The worst part of that video I posted is Daryl Johnston’s analysis. He’s caused me to mute many games.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Not at all. I just like talking scheme and players as opposed to what his DVOA is.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
That defense and the Jets offensive line is no fluke, Spence. Being hogtied to the back of your team with a box of bungee cords purchased from CostCo and fluking are two different things.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
If you believe Peter King $7 million left in cap space.
/time to renegotiate Vick & sign Jackson
//great post Lisk
///Can’t wait for the season to start
August 10th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
I remember when Desean Jackson dropped this pass.
that’s brutal juice. That kid might weigh 160 pounds.
p.s. I always say “done-ta” when Dunta Robinson’s name comes up.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
The worst part of that video I posted is Daryl Johnston’s analysis. He’s caused me to mute many games
Still holding out hope that there will be a channel that broadcasts only the ambient noise/sound of the crowd with the players mic’d up someday. I’d pay good money to not have to listen to Joe Buck.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
The drops that FO considers are only supposed to be on catchable throws. They can assess fault in an incompletion to the QB, too.
Jackson definitely drops more passes than your average highly paid WR. But yeah, he more than makes up for it.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
It’s sad to watch the baseball nerds begin to infect football discussion. I feel like stats are starting to creep into the daily football discussions like they do in baseball. I’m not a big fan.
I pretty much agree with this, but I wouldn’t call them nerds. Those dorks get mad when you call them that.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
How much does Mike Wallace get paid? DeSean is worth about that much.
And only if you have a QB who can extend the play and then throw as far as DeSean can run.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
/relishes all the hate
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
I wasn’t serious at all, Husker. Just playing games with the sentence “I’m not a big fan.” While I’m at it, I feel like I should point out that I don’t really think NDub is a prick that should leave dick face alone
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
I’ve got nothing against Philly, especially with Clifton being employed there now, but I just have a feeling that Eagles fans are in for a disappointment in one way or another this year.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
sanchez sucks. fuck you.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Make that 31 games, plus one game against a JV secondary.
/Texans 2010
August 10th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
think it’s time to start charting Barnwell’s absurdity since his arrival at Grantland. Some of this just seems … inflammatory
August 10th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
oh come on now.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
The use of stats is fantastic. It’s the complete reliance on them in any argument that annoys me. The new QBR thing that ESPN is shoving down people’s throats said Vince Young’s 2009 season was better than Aaron Rodgers’ 2010 year. That type of shit annoys the fuck out of me. While I like to rip the Mexigod as much as the next guy, there’s something to be said for winning. Too often the stat heads like to negate winning by saying his X, Y and Z stats are weak and that’s what really matters. There needs to be a blend of the two sides, yet it seems the stats guy only wants to look at numbers and a spreadsheet instead of watching the games.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Mute the center channel speaker on your receiver. I didn’t have to listen to Boomer call the HR derby this way. All I heard were the players talking, bat off the ball and the crowd roars.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Seems like every article is on Philly as well.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
That’s absurd.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Let the hatred flow. Can’t wait for all of the Eagles hate this year.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
you sure you want to open that can of worms? i mean, is it any more inflammatory than being so condescending towards golf just to rile up the comments?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Some of this just seems … inflammatory
TBL
Something about pots and kettles goes here.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
How did Lisk get this name? Or is that not it at all?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Vick certainly helps showcase Jacksons talent but he is far more valuable than Mike Wallace. Jackson has been a stud since college and I have hated him since then.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
A guy entering year 3 of a 3rd round rookie contract? I am guessing you are not Drew Rosenhaus.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
I think Vick threw that Redskins pass from the 4 yards line and Desean caught it on Washington’s 33 on a rope. Don’t fuck with that.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
think it’s time to start charting Barnwell’s absurdity since his arrival at Grantland. Some of this just seems … inflammatory
I don’t read all of it, but at least this guy is writing based on some sort of formula that he shows. It’s not like he wrote a column where he said “desean jackson is so overrated” and then just said he didn’t like him in the text.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
I can’t wait to watch Vince Young starting football games again.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Or anything about Cleveland…or the Jets/Sanchez. Come one, TBL. You do the same shit. Anyone who makes money based on the amount of people that visit their site does this to some degree.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
But, that’s what I said. You know, the bungee cords and the whole tied to their backs thing. You would prefer he be tied to the engine underneath one of the wings of the Jet with the possibility of falling into the turbine and being destroyed forever? This is a metaphorical jet. I don’t know if there’s actually a jet with the Jets because I don’t really follow the Jets except when I come to this particular Jet blog that talks a lot about the Jets.
Oh my. That got complicated.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Mark Sanchez fails the eye test too, a better quarterback would have made the Jets a better team and they’d have won more games so that’s why QB wins are devalued as an evaluation metric
August 10th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Young makes Terrelle Pryor look like Johnny Unitas. He’s like a comedian out there…except he’s serious. I love every second of it.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Mark Sanchez fails the eye test too
some 17 year old sluts disagree
August 10th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
re: sanchez…by either measure, he’s still shitty.
and i disagree. of course winning matters, but lets not pretend sanchez is opening up the running game because teams are respecting his downfield passing here like brees or rodgers.
of course you take into account things you’d see on tape. usually stats reflect that because i don’t see a lot of people saying that matt schaub is an elite QB.
the problem comes in when people just flat out IGNORE stats…which is the only reason someone would think flacco’s elite.
/glares at john clayton
August 10th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Husker and SC may dislike the advanced stats in football (and any reasonable person will tell you they are limited).
But for the most part the people who understand what FO and other places like ColdHardFootballFacts do also understand the game and understand the limitations of the metrics.
And there are a TON of stupid comments in football threads, and best I can tell they aren’t made by people who understand the stats.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
I actually think the Mike Wallace comparison is pretty apt for DeSean, in terms of talent.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
That was one of my favorite plays from last season. Just incredible.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
Let me know when Mike Wallace starts successfully taking punts back for six.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
I remember when he dropped this ball…oh it doesnt count as a dropped pass? Still an idiot.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I have a funny feeling we’re gonna see a Mike Kafka start at some point this year
August 10th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Lisk loves to air it out. Him and Al Davis are kindred spirits, whether he wants to admit it or not.
Truth. If I ran an offense, it would be of the Gillman/Coryell/Gibbs vein.
I think guys like Namath get a bad rap, at least young Namath before multiple injuries.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Yeah. That game was over as soon as that pass left MV7′s hand.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I love stats in football and I want more of them. I don’t know how much I trust most of the stuff that’s thrown out there, though. Everything in baseball can be broken down into numbers more easily just because of the nature of pitcher vs. batter. In football there’s a lot more gray area in the way matchups relate to each other
August 10th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
taking punts back for six
lisk didn;t mention this, and i understand this is about the WR apsect, but the return game haas to be accounted for in money talks right?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Yeah, and Jackson also has THIS in his repertoire.
/ARE YOU KIDDING?
//Sign him now.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
I actually think the Mike Wallace comparison is pretty apt for DeSean, in terms of talent.
maybe I haven’t seen enough Steeler games where they’re throwing it, but I don’t have a lot of recollection of that guy ripping zones to shreds by running sideways through them 20 yards down the field.
Most of the time when i’m watching a Steelers game, that guy exits the screen and I dont’ see him again till the start of the next play.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
A whole 4 return TDs in 3 years. Clearly he is worth $5mm more per year based on that alone.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Drew Rosenhaus will make sure it is. And I fixed your comment.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
stat i saw the other day was cool: he had more plays over 50 yards than under. might havae been scoring plays, but still
August 10th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Yeah, and Jackson also has THIS in his repertoire.
/ARE YOU KIDDING?
//Sign him now.
but you’ll notice he didn’t catch that punt cleanly, right? That’s a mark against.
/bill barnwell
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
i mean, obviously that earns you money too. why else would hester and josh cribbs be getting paid like WR’s when they both suck at the position?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
And there are a TON of stupid comments in football threads, and best I can tell they aren’t made by people who understand the stats
I’m gonna need to see your research on that.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
Truth. If I ran an offense, it would be of the Gillman/Coryell/Gibbs vein.
Throwing deep>three yards and a cloud of tire remnants
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
I detect your condescension even when I don’t want to.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
This right here
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
This is fantastic.
“LSU at Alabama. Nick Saban will watch 87 hours of film in the week leading up to this game, and Les Miles will watch The Land Before Time and demand that his staff cry along with him. LSU will probably win.”
August 10th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
I like the part where Coughlin essentially fires his kicker on the field the best.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
A whole 4 return TDs in 3 years. Clearly he is worth $5mm more per year based on that alone.
it’s the threat you pay
August 10th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Not only do they suck, but guess where Devin Hester is listed on the first Bears depth chart released today?
#5 WR.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
The nice thing about having a competent front office, head coach, and competitive team every season is that yeah — you have expectations.
/awaits Andy Reid jokes
August 10th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Truth. If I ran an offense, it would be of the Gillman/Coryell/Gibbs vein.
not me, man. Ball control with an impact defense. Work that clock. 8 minute drives that net you 40 yards and a punt aren’t that bad.
I’d be Mike Heimerdinger, but hopefully without the cancer.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
you’re in the wrong place. Now if your looking for Steelers and Jets hate, you’ve come to the right comment section.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
holmgren’s favre-era offense for me. dick lebeau’s defense. brad seely’s special teams.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
+1 NFC Championship loss
August 10th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
I do the same in Madden and everyone hates me.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
How did Lisk get this name?
I think it was SG and it was in one of those threads making fun of the idea that the Bears organize their whole roster around special teams
August 10th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
I do the same in Madden and everyone hates me.
that’s not why I hate you. But I do hate you.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Devin Hester returns more punts at a higher average. Giving Jay Cutler 17.1 yards less field per possession to throw picks is worth more than DeSean has done in his whole career.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
I look forward to discussing with you who the Cowboys should take with their top 15 pick next year.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Come on Pro Football Writers of America, right this wrong and put Dorsey Levens in Canton already
August 10th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Then I’ve done my job
August 10th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Anything but D-Jack. Fuck those nicknames.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
I always thought Devin Hester was better suited to play on the defensive side back in his Hurricanes days. He didn’t really have a position at The U, other than returner.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
Its been discussed already
August 10th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
How about D-Jazzle?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
I look forward to discussing with you who the Cowboys should take with their top 15 pick next year.
2 rookie O linemen, no 3rd receiver at all, they’re probably cutting Tashard Choice, and the same cornerbacks as last year? All we have is the lesser Ryan brother trying to get more out of Igor fucking Olshansky?
15-1, baby.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
Did anyone used to killed by Dorsey Levens single handedly in madden back in the day? That one player has broken more controllers than everything else combined.
/throws mouse across office
August 10th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Anything but D-Jack. Fuck those nicknames.
Why so angry, S-Hern?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Why?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
ah, but see, this works both ways. desean not being as good at returning gives vick more of a spread out field so he’ll take less hits.
/straws = grasped
August 10th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Terence Newman just strained his right oblique limping to the training room for treatment on his left groin. Now he’s out the rest of the decade. I’m so glad they didn’t cut him.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
holmgren’s favre-era offense for me. dick lebeau’s defense. brad seely’s special teams.
I’d go with Walsh’s niner era offense. No quibbles on the Dick LeBeau defense. I know nothing about Brad Seely; I only know about the Jets version of Marlboro Jim as a good special teams coach.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
A blend of stats & other nuggets demonstrated in this post is perfect though. Well done by Frisky Lisky.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
raiders O with stabler, casper, branch, biletnikoff, marinaro(sauce)
steelers D of 70s
we’re not talking about taleent levels relevant to today;s athletes right?
August 10th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
His nickname is Mesean.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
You’d need to find a Jerry Rice to run that. Any old quarterback would do just fine though.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
they’re probably cutting Tashard Choice
Why
because running backs are very replaceable parts, and they have an undrafted rookie that can go through a hole just as well as Choice. Some kid who never made it up off the practice squad last year.
They’ll try to trade him before they cut him, but we’ll see.
Oh, and Montrae Holland just ate a roll of tape in the training room. He’s unstoppable (at eating). He heard Leonard Davis’s game pants were lucky, and wants to fit into them by game 1.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
You’d need to find a Jerry Rice to run that. Any old quarterback would do just fine though.
So you’re saying Jerry Rice made Montana into the QB that he was? Please tell me that’s not what you’re saying.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Ogletree!
/starts drinking
Maybe some team will drop a receiver.
August 10th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
You’d need to find a Jerry Rice to run that. Any old quarterback would do just fine though.
you should be forced to change your commenting name to Clueless Joe Jackson
August 10th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
I wonder sometimes what year people think Rice started his career, he was just a great addition to a humming juggernaut that had already won two Super Bowls
August 10th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Just trying to lure Ballz out of the methadone clinic, guys.
August 10th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
Sounds like McKinnie
August 10th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Damn, sad i had to bail on this thread for a work meeting, but this
is retarded especially coming J “Ohio st fans are the worst” Mac.
I wish I could have been here for the rest of the discussion.
1998 Vikings Offense
2000 Ravens Defense
August 10th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
DeSean is better than Mike Wallace, way more fluid and able to make plays after the catch far better (as well as aforementioned punt returns). Wallace is fast but still somewhat raw.
August 10th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Desean is much better with the ball. I think Wallace can run a much more complete route tree. He has the size/frame to work the middle of the field. D-Jax needs to stay on the edge or top of the coverage.