There’s More Than One Way To Get a Winning Quarterback
With the news that Matt Hasselbeck is going to the Titans to provide a short term solution while Jake Locker sits and learns the playbook, we now have seen a variety of different ways in which teams desperate for quarterback help have tried to address the position this offseason.
In Tennessee, it was to draft a young quarterback, while also bringing in an aging, and at this point maybe average quarterback (Hasselbeck has gone three straight seasons with injuries and below average passing numbers, and is 36). In Minnesota, they’ve gone a similar route with Ponder and McNabb. Seattle, going away from Hasselbeck, went the cheap route and signed Tarvaris Jackson as a free agent. In Carolina, it was the first overall pick of Cam Newton. Jacksonville added a young quarterback to the mix with David Garrard. San Francisco retained Alex Smith, who has never really established himself, while also drafting Kaepernick. Other teams may opt for a trade with either the established starter (Orton) or the inexperienced prospect ready to play (Kolb).
We have several archetypes here, from the failed prospect, to the new young stars, to the solid veteran in the middle of his career, to the aging star wanting another chance with a new team. It’s true that since 1995 (when Carolina and Jacksonville entered the league), exactly half of the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks were early picks playing for the team that drafted them (Aikman, Elway, Roethlisberger, the Manning brothers, and Rodgers) and 3 more were Tom Brady, late round pick extraordinaire. This may lead you to believe that by far the best method to win the Super Bowl. What those raw numbers fail to take into account is that not only have quarterbacks drafted by the original team won more Super Bowls, they have also had more bad seasons, and seasons in total, than other methods of obtaining a quarterback.
I went back to the 1995 season, and for each team, looked at how the #1 starter entering the season was acquired, and grouped them into broad categories. Those categories include both early and late draft picks playing for the original professional team (early being 1st and 2nd round, late being everything else including UDFA’s). They also include several other categories that were acquired either by trade or free agency: previously inexperienced starters (<16 career starts at time acquired), established quality starters under 32 (Orton this year, guys ranging from Brees to Culpepper to Chandler in the past), journeymen/busts under 32 (think Harrington, Tony Banks, Dilfer etc. moving on to new teams), average quarterbacks/journeymen age 32 or older when acquired, and star veteran quarterbacks changing teams at age 32 or older.
A couple of notes on those categories: the quarterbacks were classified based on how they appeared at the time they were acquired, so that Rich Gannon is classified as a veteran journeyman at age 32 or older, though he turned in elite seasons. Steve Young was a young bust/journeyman, because it would be hard to call him established when San Fran traded for him after his stint in Tampa Bay. Players that played in other leagues like Warner (Arena) and Garcia (CFL) are lumped in the “inexperienced acquired via trade/free agency” category.
Here is how each of those groups of teams did in terms of making the playoffs, reaching championship games, and winning Super Bowls since 1995:
| How Acquired | Total | Playoffs | Ch. Game | SB Win | ||
| Inexperienced via trade/FA | 88 | 0.44 | 0.13 | 0.02 | ||
| Early Draft Pick (rds 1 & 2) | 197 | 0.42 | 0.16 | 0.04 | ||
| Established Starter via trade/FA, by age 31 | 49 | 0.35 | 0.12 | 0.02 | ||
| Late Draft Pick or UDFA (rd 3 or later) | 59 | 0.34 | 0.10 | 0.05 | ||
| Average/Journeyman age 32 or older | 57 | 0.32 | 0.09 | 0.02 | ||
| Star Quarterback age 32 or older via trade/FA | 17 | 0.29 | 0.18 | 0.00 | ||
| Bust/Journeyman by age 31, via trade/FA | 29 | 0.28 | 0.03 | 0.03 | ||
So, half of the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have been high draft picks of their original teams. 40% of all starting seasons since 1995 have had a high draft pick as the projected starter entering a season, though, so it’s only slightly more than should be expected based on the numbers. While we like to make fun of trades like A.J. Feeley, a lot of successful teams have relied on players who were drafted elsewhere and acquired before they played very much, sometimes through trades to become starters, and sometimes by signing them on the cheap and discovering them once they were on the roster. In fact, the playoff percentage is the highest of the categories.
That Bust/Journeyman category is really boosted by Steve Young’s inclusion. Without him, it drops even further, to only 17% of the remaining teams opting to go the Tarvaris Jackson route reaching the playoffs.
So if you think that these moves don’t matter and teams should just draft first rounders, that’s not really true. The teams that have gone the Kolb or Orton route have been almost as successful as teams relying on their early draft picks. Those going the McNabb or Hasselbeck route haven’t been quite as successful (though some of this may be bad teams trying to bridge to young quarterbacks as a stopgap), but enough have made deep playoff runs to say that there is truly more than one way to find a quarterback. Try one way, try another, and then keep trying again until you succeed.
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July 27th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
What in the hell is Carolina thinking with this Williams deal?
July 27th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
Steve Young was a journeyman?
July 27th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
Lisk, aren’t you going away from what you’ve said in the past here? QBs, while very important to team success, should not be credited/blamed for wins/losses. The teams around those players factored into these teams getting to the Super Bowl and winning just as much as the quarterback did.
The difference between a playoff win and loss now a days is like 2 or 3 plays.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
Steve Young was a journeyman?
did you read the post? When he was traded at age 26, he had 2 well below average season with a horrible Tampa team. Hard to call him an established quality starter, and he wasn’t inexperienced, so I put him in the bust/journeyman category. He could have merited his own category.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
TJ
Ervin Santana through seven with a no-no now. Would be perfect if not for a first inning error.
/TJ
July 27th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Lisk, aren’t you going away from what you’ve said in the past here? QBs, while very important to team success, should not be credited/blamed for wins/losses. The teams around those players factored into these teams getting to the Super Bowl and winning just as much as the quarterback did.
I agree with all that. Would have been much more involved (and this took me 4+ hours) to do more detailed, and I’m just showing how teams did when making certain type of moves.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Steve Young was a journeyman?
not exactly. He got stolen and hidden for years by San Fran. And I think paid like an all-pro, to be a backup.
did you read the post?
no, but I”m gonna.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Seahawks acquired TJoke because they are going for Andrew Luck in the draft next year.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
I UNDERSTOOD A LISK POST! YAY! PROGRESS!
July 27th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
What in the hell is Carolina thinking with this Williams deal?
that they HAVE to spend the money anyway, and nobody wants to sign there. They have no choice but to spend money, so why not spend it on guys they already know, I guess.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
Seattle, going away from Hasselbeck, went the cheap route and signed Tarvaris Jackson as a free agent.
not cheap enough. That guy isn’t worth 2 cents.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
And that they don’t have an NFL ready QB and aren’t sure if they will in the near future. Plus, if the Daily Show goes down to injury, they would be REALLY screwed without Williams.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
not exactly. He got stolen and hidden for years by San Fran. And I think paid like an all-pro, to be a backup.
Yeah, I probably should have just made him his own category. Tampa was a pit. He was a star in the USFL and San Fran was a smart organization. He sat for like 4 years after he was acquired except for occasional starts.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
BTW, where did you put Trent Dilfer in, Jason? He was drafted by the Bucs and QB’d a SB-winning team, but no one would say he was the reason for their triumph.
What in the hell is Carolina thinking with this Williams deal?
This is why they’re the Panthers. I guess Jerry Richardson doesn’t know football.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Thanks again Falcons, sorry the draft pick in return used on Tony Smith didn’t pan out
July 27th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
sounds like a move kickstarting decades of dominance and oodles of championships.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
BTW, where did you put Trent Dilfer in, Jason? He was drafted by the Bucs and QB’d a SB-winning team, but no one would say he was the reason for their triumph.
I put him in the journeyman category. He wasn’t good enough in Tampa to be an established star. Technically, Banks was the initial starter that year, and Dilfer replaced him, but I would put them both in the same category. They are the 3% that reached a championship game.
July 27th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Eric Weddle highest paid Safety in the league!!!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Ugh Frank Gore holding out in San Fran.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
I dont keep up with the Chargers too much, but is he the 2nd coming of Lynch?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Ugh Frank Gore holding out in San Fran.
same age as DeAngelo, right?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
This for sure. This is only the first step for them, which is why they wouldn’t give Hasselbeck the two years he wanted. I’m not crazy about Jackson – or Leinart if that happens – but if it means they get a chance at Luck I’m willing to write off the year. None of this finish below .500 and make the playoff garbage though.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
didn’t they sign tjack for 4 mil a year? that doesn’t even seem cheap in football terms since tjack is awful.
/thankfully it wasn’t the Vikings.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
$52 million guaranteed for DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson. Carolina must be really eager to stay in last place.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
the morgue, looking for dead dudes.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
They want to keep fucking up people’s Fantasy Drafts for the next 5 years…
July 27th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
luck to newton and pryor (picked conditionally). lombardis.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
July 27th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
didn’t they sign tjack for 4 mil a year? that doesn’t even seem cheap in football terms since tjack is awful.
It’s pretty cheap for starter standards. It’s pretty much going rate for possible starter/compete for a job. You’d be surprised if you looked and saw how much guys like Luke McCown and his ilk get. You can expect to pay 10 mil per for a quality starter, and upwards of 15 for an elite one. They just bought a replacement value one.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Try Brian Russell.
/white safeties
July 27th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
You give up on the Tribe like every single day, Vlad. Show some love, man.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
I dont keep up with the Chargers too much, but is he the 2nd coming of Lynch?
no, but free safeties, good ones, are really hard to get. And agents get mediocre ones paid like great ones in those years. Antrel Rolle is sad that he’s no longer the highest paid safety in history.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
It’s pretty cheap for starter standards.
but it’s Tarvaris Jackson. Why would you pay him like a starter?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
I remember making this argument with similar data on the Seahawks SBNation site when the guy who ran it was adamant thatthe Hawks HAD to go QB with their first round pick a couple years ago because that was the only way he thought they could win a Super Bowl (while conveniently ignoring that they had gotten there with Hasselbeck). I was banned.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
$52 million guaranteed for DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson. Carolina must be really eager to stay in last place.
I can understand the Johnson one, at least, based on need. Williams makes no sense for about 20 reasons. If they were going to overpay for another position, it needed to be WR for at least a starting caliber guy, especially with Smith gone.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
He’s taken the Non-Stop Negativity mantle from JHS. I’m sure it sucks too.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
I can’t wait for Orlando Cabrera to pinch hit in the 9th!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
$52 million guaranteed for DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson. Carolina must be really eager to stay in last place.
their salary cap compliance guy only works one day a week, and that’s today, so they have to get all that money spent really fast. It’s a top tier organization.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
How much can Ray Edwards command at this point? He’s going to disappear faster than you can say Chester McGlockton.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Saints just resigned Lance Moore to a 5-year deal. What Brees wants, Brees gets.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Where’s a good site where you guys are keeping up with all these agreements? And don’t say Twitter please. I have good MLB sites, but I don’t know where to go for NFL.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Wait, he got moved already? When did this happen?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Santana now through 8 … 11 K’s and 1 BB … Here’s the link if anyone wants to watch.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6261176&partnerId=aw-6262573371700442180-996
July 27th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
makes this jerry richardson quote all the funnier…
July 27th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
+10,000,000
July 27th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
they’re about to show Santana’s 9th inning on ESPN.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8 Ervin Santana no no through 8
/Hope it works…
July 27th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Twitter. Sack up and get on it. I’m not sure what your apprehension is with it. PFT will get you some signings, but Twitter is faster.
MLBTR posts to their Twitter faster than their website too. It won’t take you that long to figure out how to manage your timeline. You don’t even have to tweet, you can just follow people.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Thanks Horse!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
SI has a pretty decent one they are updating and its easy to read.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Fixed … Thought he was at nine before the last two K’s of the inning.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Oh look its Chris Perez. He’s really good in non save situations!!! Seriously, just start selling now. Get some prospects I can be excited about for 2-3 years then when they come up they suck.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Ugh Frank Gore holding out in San Fran.
same age as DeAngelo, right?
Yea he will be 29 at the end of tthis season.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Just can’t hit, Vladdy. Of course, when you have a AAA CF and 2 bush league guys platooning in RF instead of a healthy Grady and Big League Choo, then non-hitting becomes very realistic.
LaPorta sucks too… Not because of last night’s DP, but in general. He swings a slow bat, has warning track power, and can’t catch a cold at 1B.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Your gravatar needs to be Randy Quaid in Major League 2
July 27th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Garko was better than LaPorta. At least with Lou Marson I have low expectations. Nice throw Santana.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Just trade for Fukudome already, Tribe. We’ll take some Chinese carryout and a mini-keg of the current seasonal Great Lakes brew.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Thirsting for some Edmund Fitzgerald now…drink enough of that and you sink faster than the ship
/Too soon?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Travis Buck > Austin Kearns > Fukudome
July 27th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Yeah BB, your best bet for the NFL stuff is to get on Twitter and follow Schefter.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
they should bring back Jim Mora Jr. in that case.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Texans keeping Leinhart, no USC reunion in Seattle
July 27th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
I just heard Tila Tequila say she’s talking to some hockey player from New York. Ew.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Nice throw LaPuke.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Twitter. Sack up and get on it. I’m not sure what your apprehension is with it. PFT will get you some signings, but Twitter is faster
Yup. I don’t really tweet that often, but I use it all the time to follow breaking news/sports, etc. Also, if you follow the right people you might get a laugh or two out of it.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Five errors … Unreal … Like watching a high school team field
July 27th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Saints just got Will Herring from Seattle and are battling Denver for Brandon Mebane.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Thats too bad for Leinart he at least had a shot at beating out Tavaris and Whitehurst.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
I just heard Tila Tequila say she’s talking to some hockey player from New York. Ew.
It’s weird when you see someone who used to do porn and realize that she was cleaner back then than she is now.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
I appreciate your hate for T-Jack. I just don’t understand it either. he was starter for the Vikings, who clearly didn’t give a shit, and he wouldn’t have started for another team in the league. it may be a value for a “starting” QB, but I still think the seachickens over-paid for him.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
gross.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
Santana’s game on ESPN right now.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
He would have had a shot no doubt. Not much of one, but a shot none the less.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Hernia doin’ work!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
2 outs away … Come on Erv!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Disgusting.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Congrats Erv!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Santana did it! First no-no for the Halos since 1984, and Santana’s first W against the Tribe in 11 tries.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
And there you go! No hitter!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
No No!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Just another excuse to remind everyone that the Mets are still without a no-hitter in franchise history.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Sorry… went to lunch. I did read it, but something about that classification just seems wrong given his situation. I guess I didn’t really understand your stratification methods, given that so many acquisitions occurred so long before the season in question.
So…. good post then, though I would like to see if the high draft picks or acquired young guys do better with a veteran in place, or thrown into the fire.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Jose Mota is now interviewing Ervin Santana … This has got to be the most unintelligible interview ever.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Just another excuse to remind everyone that the Mets are still without a no-hitter in franchise history.
they got the wrong santana?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
the panthers locked Olindo Mare down, and for only 3 million per. Nice.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Oh, come on.. I hate to defend the Panthers but that is crazy.Since Richardson has owned the team in 1995, they have only had 3 total seasons in which they weren’t at least at/over .500 or just 1 game below it.The Williams deal is insane but lets not pretend that outside of last year that team hasn’t been competitive in the division for years.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Re: Steve Young, and even Brady, Kolb last year (he was the starter at the onset, right?), Rodgers… a category for “promoted backups with >x years with team” would have been interesting.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Crosby was a bargain!
July 27th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
The Titans will miss the playoffs this year with a journeyman starter, while getting Locker a chance to learn. If Locker makes the playoffs next year, then “high draft pick” gets an uptick. I’m not really sure what this means, or how to interpret the real-life importance of these acquisitions. Both QB’s are essential to future success (presumably) but only one will get credit for it.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I keep reading this post as “There’s More Than One Way To Skin a Quarterback”
July 27th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
Oh, come on.. I hate to defend the Panthers but that is crazy.Since Richardson has owned the team in 1995, they have only had 3 total seasons in which they weren’t at least at/over .500 or just 1 game below it.The Williams deal is insane but lets not pretend that outside of last year that team hasn’t been competitive in the division for years.
Yup. The Bills, Lions, Chiefs, Texans, Bengals, 49ers, and Raiders (except for ’03) would love to have had the Panthers resume the last decade.
July 27th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Whoops, how could I forget the Browns?
July 27th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Pshh. They’ll always have that 2002 Wild Card banner.
July 28th, 2011 at 9:08 AM
Elway was not drafted by the Broncos. He was drafted by the Colts and traded.