Would Kevin Kolb Help Arizona Win the NFC West?
With NFL free agency prepared to hit the internet like a meteor this week, the one so-called lock is that Philadelphia will trade backup QB Kevin Kolb to Arizona, either for a draft pick (2nd round?) or cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. I attended the Real Madrid-Philadelphia Union game Saturday night in Philly and was told by someone tangentially connected to the Eagles that it was a “done deal,” but wasn’t given specifics.
(I’d like to go on record saying I think Philly would be foolish to trade Kolb – Mike Vick, for all his running talents, is still somewhat fragile, and the offensive line isn’t incredible. I’d venture a guess that the chances of Vick getting hurt or dinged up this year are greatly than that of your average QB. Keep Kolb. You’re still a playoff team in the NFC with Kolb at QB; that’s not the case with 3rd stringer Mike Kafka. If Vick goes down early and doesn’t return, you can write the season off and I’m not sure Andy Reid would return.)
With Kolb under center, does Arizona become a contender to San Francisco in the still-awful NFC West? Without question, the answer has to be yes.
1) St. Louis, which narrowly missed the playoffs last year, has a new offensive coordinator (Josh McDaniels). The Rams are changing the offense, but do they even have the pieces in place to scare people? The draft didn’t net any impact players on offense. The 49ers have QB issues of their own, but probably have the most talent in the division; the Seahawks also have no clue who their QB will be. But an 8-8 record probably is good enough to win this division.
2) Derek Anderson and Max Hall are your options if you don’t trade for Kolb.
3) Arizona’s schedule opens very soft – which is usually great, but doubly so when you’re jamming a QB into a new system with a new team and not much time to brush up on the playbook. They open at home against Carolina, which was the worst team in the league last year, and then travel to Washington, which at the moment is led by a QB named John Beck. A 2-0 start would bolster confidence and set up a week three game in Seattle where the Cardinals could open up a nice lead in the division. If Arizona’s on the playoff brink, the late schedule isn’t exactly brutal – vs. Cleveland, at Cincinnati, vs. Seattle. You know who is quarterbacking those teams? Colt McCoy, TBA (maybe rookie, Andy Dalton) and who knows, maybe Charlie Whitehurst.
4) One place Kolb can’t do anything is on defense, where the Cards were pathetic last year. They were 30th in the league in defense (27.1 ppg), an area they clearly looked to upgrade in the draft (Patrick Peterson, LSU; Quan Sturdivant, UNC; Sam Acho, Texas). Sturdivant and Acho should both bolster a front seven that was terrible against the run (30th). Peterson is a sick athlete who is expected to be a factor immediately. Losing Rodgers-Cromartie would be a tough blow to the secondary, but in the long-term, you’ll soon see why they can part with him …
5) The biggest reason the Cardinals need to make this trade – and why overpaying in the form of Rodgers-Cromartie isn’t a bad idea – is to keep franchise WR Larry Fitzgerald happy. If you lose Fitzgerald, you might as well consider the team rebuilding. Fitzgerald turns 28 next month has caught 90 or more passes four years in a row, and has to be considered a top 3-4 receiver in the NFL. He’s durable, has great hands, and is the focus of every defense they play. Imagine if rookie Ryan Williams from Virginia Tech can give them the running game they’ve lacked since … Ottis Anderson in the early 80s?
I’ll leave you with one question: Why would the Eagles trade one of the most capable backups in the league to a team in their conference who they play in November? How badly will the Eagles’ front-office get pummeled if the Cardinals and Kolb beat the Eagles, and then squeeze into the playoffs ahead of them on a tiebreaker?

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July 25th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
So San Francisco is contending now?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:01 PM
Yes.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
He couldn’t hurt their chances.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
I think I mentioned it last week TBL, but there are rumors that the Eagles are going to pick up Vince Young on the cheap to be the backup. The Eagles have shit for corners and Rodgers-Cromartie. Also believe that Reid can do a fixer up on both of them.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:02 PM
And I would absoultely do this deal since Kolb is going to be cheap on the cap ($1 mil cap hit for 2011)
July 25th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
I think the Rams will pull it off this year with a 8-8 record.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:03 PM
NDub’s response would have been sufficient for the entire post.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
You can just leave it there even if they got DRC. He is not that good.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Do the Patriots? No, but the Rams have the pieces in place to copycat what the Patriots did last season with their multiple TE sets never come off the field, get LB’s in space and then blow DB’s down the field when teams put in their nickel and dime packages. If they can get a Lance Moore-type for cheap in FA I think their offense can compete, especially in that division.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:05 PM
He can keep them off the field and contribute into giving them leads.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Even Katie Baker thinks that parenthetical aside you’ve got as a 2nd paragraph is a bit long.
AZ should run away with the West if they have a QB with talent.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
I think Kyle Orton is who they should go after, but that’s just me. Then let the Broncos flail away with Pontius Pilate.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
I laughed a bit at this.
Let’s see if they can keep 2 of their top 4 WRs healthy this year first…
/remembers that even when healthy they weren’t great WRs
//hedges
July 25th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
Whoever scoops him up is making a great decision. Always been a KO fan. Think he would fit in well with someone like Seattle, Arizona or the Niners.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Who cares which 4 seed loses at home in the playoffs?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Why aren’t the Dolphins interested there? You hear stuff about them and Palmer or McNabb which seems silly if Orton can be had for presumably cheaper
July 25th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Not before knocking out an overrated wildcard team.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Overpaying? Is Rodgers-Cromartie really good and I don’t know it?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
IT’S SO GREAT THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL AGAIN!
July 25th, 2011 at 1:11 PM
It also seems the Eagles are getting DRC + something. Not “or” something. From what I’ve read.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
I’m guessing want they want is a veteran who has “been there” who can mentor Henne for a year before passing the baton. But really, Miami hasn’t invested much more in Henne than they did in John Beck (other than time) and they tossed Beck aside like he was coleslaw.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
He is a probowl corner back. Just like Matt Cassell is a probowl quarterback.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Ask the Saints about that…
July 25th, 2011 at 1:13 PM
Heard this as well. Absolutely getting at least a 2nd back.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:13 PM
He’s a mix of a poor man’s Samuel and Antonio Cromartie. Physical freak who can totally disrupt a passing game, but can get beat because of mental snafus. And he has no interest whatsoever in tackling, like Samuel.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:13 PM
Beanie Wells is gonna be a beast this year!
/last year’d
July 25th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
Or Kyle Orton or Matt Hasselbeck or starting Skelton. All those are better and more likely options than Max hall or Horseballs starting.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
Who knew Jay V was a soccer fan?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:15 PM
Or the Falcons. Or the Packers. Seriously when was the last time a 4 seed lost at home.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:15 PM
He could be cut.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
There’s no way the Eagles are trading Kolb for just Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, right?
I thought first round pick, and I don’t think anyone is lining up to trade a mid-first for DRC. Maybe with him in deal + a 2nd
July 25th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
Pretty much where I pegged him. And if you evaluate Kolb as a potential #1 QB for the next several years, well worth it if you have no other options (which I suppose is arguable).
July 25th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
Bengals, to the Jets, in 2009.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
Same source, re: Harbaugh to Michigan?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
TBL apparently has the only source who says otherwise.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
/Dougies
July 25th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
Beanie Wells is a big, fat pansy.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
I mean, how starts does Kolb even have in his career? 8? I don’t know why people act like he is an established QB.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
I think Schaub fetched two seconds from the Texans. You’d think that’d be about what Kolb is worth. You’d think.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
what a METAMORPHOSIS the offense would go under with kafka authoring the offense.
/sigh…
July 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
Ok. I’m watching Curb, and this shit was just fucking ridiculous.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
We aren’t contending.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
Vick starter. Favre backup. Ratings through the roof.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:19 PM
Cardinals are better off letting Pete Carroll trade his 2012 Draft for Feeley 2.0 and signing Hasselbeck.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
That episode made me hungry for chicken.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
Yeah well he’s developed under Andy Reid…has to count for something…
/Brett Favre
//Donovan McNabb
July 25th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
You get a QB that isn’t Alex Smith and I think you can.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
Do we know how good Kevin Kolb really is? He’s only started 7 games and has a career 11/13 TD/INT ratio. Scott Mitchell had that one great season with the Dolphins too.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
I’m at the point right now where I want Brian Hoyer in Cincinnati.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
July 25th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
He’s gotten good coaching from very good offensive minds. He’s obviously got the physical skills. He’s obviously not a headcase considering what happened last season. The scouts in the NFL like him. Sometimes, you just gotta admit that we aren’t professional talent evaluators. Oh, and Larry Fitzgerald may or may not want to already have his babies.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Made me hungry for raunchy, Palestinian pussy.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
These right here, it’s all speculation and potential. People are talking about him like he’s a future HoF’er and savior.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Of course he doesn’t have enough time as a starter to define who he is or what he’ll become.
But there are obviously people around the league besides the Eagles who have evaluated him and see NFL starter material. And that’s worth quite a bit.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
The Niners are absolutely contending in the NFC West, anything other than that, probably not.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
Name alternatives that are currently not employed as NFL starters that you’d take over him.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Mitchell was awesome compared to Batch and the rotating smorgasbord of crap that follow.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Caleb Hannie
/SC’d
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Kyle Orton
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
I’m not playing GM, I’m just saying that he’s commanding quite a price tag for someone with a small sample size, and it’s puzzling.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Does Kolb expect a new contract even after he is traded or would he play with out one? Would seem stupid to trade for a guy, give him 50 million dollars and then find out he is another Andy Reid system qb.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
….like I said….
To be fair, Alex is a problem, but not the problem. In no particular order…
1. Offensive line–Anthony Davis was marginal at best last year, but he is only 21. Chilo Rachal is the Kyle Davies of offensive linemen, and Joe Staley can’t seem to stay healthy.
2. Pass rush–We haven’t generated a consistent pass rush in about a decade. I know who we drafted, but we still have to get something out of Ahmad Brooks and Parys Harlson. Manny Lawson can play the run, but he’s not worth a shit at blitzing. Justin Smith is pretty good though.
3. Coverage–goes hand in hand with the pass rush. Clements is gone, and I don’t see Tarrell Brown being a suitable replacement. We really should take a look at Ass-a-mah-wah, but we won’t.
4. Receiver–VD is great, but we don’t have a receiver who can catch more than 65 passes a year. This is a probelm.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
brett favre.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
He seemed like an average QB when I watched him play. Then again, an average QB could take you to the playoffs in the NFC West.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Need you to qualify this. Am I building a team or just for next season?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Brett Favre.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Dammit. Spencer took my answer.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
The win against a 2010 playoff team where he played extremely well may have inflated his stock just a bit.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Shane Falco
July 25th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Matt Flynn and Vince Young as well.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
I can’t help but think that, like the corny teen movie with the awkward tomboy, Orton needs a real makeover and some charisma pumped into him to finally get some recognition.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
I was 10 miles away at the Mann, at a far more enjoyable event.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
VD is never great, you need to wrap that shit up to protect from that.
/Team rubbers
July 25th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Kyle Orton. Sure sauce. Brett Favre? Brett Favre should get his ass to Washington asap and start whispering sweet nothings into Dan Snyder’s ear.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
Wait until Crabtree has someone to get him the ball until you make this statement.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
Kolb for DRC is a win for the Cards.
I’m mystified why Kolb would garner more than Schaub did.
Schaub cost 2 2nd rounders. Kolb is going to cost either 1 2nd rounder or 1 former 1st-round pick. I’d say it’s an even trade.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
how is matt flynn any better than kolb?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
Listen, I hope I’m wrong, but I just can’t see it happening. I think the Rams take it with a 9-7 record. At least we don’t have Dingleberry this year!
July 25th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
There are Andy Reid system qbs?
I mean, Detmer and Feeley worked in the short-term, but I don’t think anyone ever thought those guys would make it longer than the few weeks they were needed. Dumbed down playbook, more emphasis on the run, lucky scheduling, etc.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
and i know he’s currently an NFL starter but probably could be had…id rather have ryan fitzpatrick than kolb.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
Because he did not start enough games to prove otherwise.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
Schaub threw for 300 yards and 3 TD’s with no picks against a Patriots team that won its division. They lost 31-28, but it’s not like he can be listed as the reason why when the opposing team scored 31 points.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
VY over Kolb in a heartbeat, if you want someone who just wins ballgames.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
It’s a pure hypothetical but who do you think has a better year in AZ next season? Kolb or Favre? Brett would love to heave prayers up to Fitz.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
I mean, “anyone but the stupid Dolphins”, of course.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
I’m going to have to look at the film before I can comment on that.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
I was just shit stirring, wanted to see if putting Flynn in got a reaction.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Drew Stanton.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
One has an even smaller sample size than Kolb and the other couldn’t spell professional if he was looking at a dictionary.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
You should just change your gravatar to the UT logo. It’s been a long time coming.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
That’s the problem….we still aren’t sure if it’s Alex’s fault, if the line doesn’t give him enough protection…..one thing will be certain this year is that Harbaugh and crew will mix it up enough to keep defenses guessing, and hopefully allowing Alex more time to throw.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Ha!
July 25th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
#hookem
July 25th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
The Dolphins definitely thought Feeley could start on a regular basis. They gave up a 2nd round pick for him — which turned out to be Reggie Brown, so the Eagles didn’t exactly take advantage of that rip-off.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
per…per…perfestinal.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
And had the SHITTEST defense in the history of shit or defenses. I’m throwing that out.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Guy has been in the league for 6 years now. Plenty of time to figure out he fucking sucks.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Atlanta’s pass defense last year wasn’t exactly top notch.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
He’s also had a different OC for every one of those year.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
VY over Kolb in a heartbeat, if you want someone who just loves going to clubs and will give your team at least 1 weekend of worry a season.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
Enough of this “just wins ballgames” trash regarding VY. You need a defense to carry you with QB play like that
July 25th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Point taken. Just degrading the Pats whenever the opportunity presents itself.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Kris Draper is retiring.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
brent grimes is pretty good.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
He is. So is Antoine Bethea, but the Colts’ secondary still rots like a porn star’s dick.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
I agree with you that Kolb = Schaub. Media coverage of games though has increased dramatically since the Schaub trade where everything is analyzed and reanalyzed for a different angle.
The Kolb’s dismantling of the Falcons at the time was seen to be really really good.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
This is quite likely, and I hope it happens to the Rams not the Seahawks (like last year’s win under .500). Frankly all I hope for this year is that the Seahawks get a QB to fill the gap (though Kyle Orton is interesting) this year, and start looking seriously at the draft. It’s too much to ask for Luck, but they need someone they can build around for years to come.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
I don’t think I’d go that far. There are other teams that would be better off with Alex than who they currently have starting. Carolina, Denver, Arizona, Seattle, Minnesota, and Miami to name a few.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
/Jayson Campbell’d
July 25th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
fair enough.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
/high fives our fine Senator
July 25th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Really, THIS GUY!?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Kris Draper is retiring.
Any idea if Claude Lemieux will be at the press conference to check his face into the podium?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Under different circumstances might Alex Smith have been more successful than he has been? Sure. Does that mean it’s a good idea to continue with him at the top of your depth chart? Not really.
Hope he gets better. I like seeing pictures of his wife.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
I think at this point Alex Smith and Jason Campbell are what they are – average. Chad Henne seems well on his way to joining their club.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
You’re making me nervous. Jay is a little better than those 3 at this point, but not a whole lot except for his Brandon Marshall season.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
If you gave those guys a top 3 defense, a whole bunch of playmakers on the outside and primarily ran the football you could win some playoff games.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
I like talking about football.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
Trent Dilfer kindly asks you to stop sharing his secrets.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
This.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
In terms of Seattle, verdict’s still out on Whitehurst. I don’t think he’s been given a fair shake yet, and he was as competent as Alex when he did play last year.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
Trent Dilfer agrees.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
/decks YYSA in the face
//falls on top of him
///keeps decking him in the face repeatedly until other commenters pull me off
July 25th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
Go play in traffic, SC
July 25th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
I was thinking more recent success but yes he applies as well.
/clicks on TBL homepage
/sees picture
Yea that guy.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
/sees his Cowboys jersey
//just walks away
July 25th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
He didn’t say the best offensive line in football, an all-time talent at RB2 and a young and blossoming RB1, Jersey. There’s no way he was referring to Sanchez.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Mario Balotelli?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Just keep swinging until you can’t lift your arms Vin.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
I would piss on you if you weren’t on fire. Wait, I wouldn’t p… I have no idea how this goes. I’m just glad we’re talking about football again!
/Phifer Lee is getting knocked around by the Phillies, WTF
July 25th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
Just saw this as the lead on the front page. Ugh. Awful.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
Mmmm, Francesco Bertolli…
July 25th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
That should read the Padres. Phifer Lee is getting knocked around by the Padres.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Duck… worth?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Fuck you. Your next, hot shot.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Welp, an NBA post on the way, that’s it for me!
July 25th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
The fuck????????
July 25th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
I cant stop watching.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
Very annoying indeed. Hearing lots of rumbles on twitter about a 32-0 vote. It’s finally over!
July 25th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Chaaaaaahlie needs to get him out of there. He clearly doesn’t have it today. 8 hits through 2.2 IP. Guys are just blistering everything he throws up there.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Oh, I lol’ed. It’s a shame commercials like that are only seen on YouTube.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
I attended a Lake County Captains game the other night, and I think Kolb would be an upgrade for Arizona.
/apparently adds legitimacy to my comment
July 25th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Looks like twitter is broken
July 25th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
It’s a thing of beauty indeed!
/checks fantasy team
//sees tick mark by Worley’s name for tomorrow, shit
///sees tick mark by Hamels’ name for Wednesday, double shit
////does rain dance furiously in office
July 25th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
Broccoli – last time Cain faced Hamels in regular season last year, Cain was demolished. Let’s do this.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Good thing regular season doesn’t mean dick once October rolls around, because that went a little differently…
July 25th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Whichever demon Cody Ross paid for his performance against the Phillies last October isn’t going to help this time around.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Im pretty sure I just got a porn warning on my computer so, thanks for that..
July 25th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Just saw this as the lead on the front page. Ugh. Awful.
once you open the post, it doesn’t get much better.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
starting around 4pm, it will probably make more sense to loiter on PFT and/or Twitter than here.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
even as I say that, PFT just went all crashy-crashy