Hey Christian Lopez, Do You Feel Differently About Jeter’s Ball Now That You Might Owe a Hefty Tax Bill?
Christian Lopez is the 23-year-old kid with $100k in student loans who works at a cell phone kiosk at the mall and was fortunate enough to catch Derek Jeter’s 3,000th hit (a home run). If you were around this weekend, you probably took place in this spirited debate about whether or not Lopez should have asked for more than some tickets and memorabilia (autographed balls, bats, etc) from Jeter. I’m guessing Lopez never read the Sun Tzu’s the Art of War, because he did zero negotiating even though he entered what could have been a war with the Yankees in a position of power.
Well, you knew this was coming … the tickets and memorabilia Lopez received? They’re probably taxable. John Leland of the NY Times talked to some tax/law types, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Lopez vomited last night or this morning when he read this:
The tickets to the 32 remaining home games (after Sunday) have a combined face value of $44,800 to $73,600, according to the team’s Web site. The tickets could be worth a lot more if the Yankees play deep into October. Steven Bandini, a tax partner at the accounting firm Zapken & Loeb, said that if the items were valued modestly at $50,000, they would probably carry a tax burden of about $14,000.
I threw up a little bit in my mouth after reading that. Of course, as tax professionals point out to the Times, Lopez could argue that the tickets and memorabilia were gifts, and therefore not taxable. The IRS may counter that what Lopez received was a “prize” and thus taxable. Maybe the IRS agent he’s dealing with is a Yankees fan. Or a Red Sox fan.
Best way out of this mess? The Yankees deliver $50k in cash to Lopez on the sly (he doesn’t deposit it all at once because I believe 5-figure cash deposits are immediately flagged by banks), and tell him to not talk to the media anymore and this story goes away. If there is a moral to this story – cold, hard, cash.
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July 12th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Didn’t someone mention the tax bill in the original post?
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/07/09/christian-lopez-caught-jeters-3000th-hit-and-gave-it-back-asking-for-nothing-in-return/#comment-1361981
/nobody reads the comments
July 12th, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Dumb. Since when would a team/athlete do a good deed and NOT want credit for it?
July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
I believe there’s a tax loophole where the Yankees can “gift” the necessary funds to him. The criticism of this guy just seems unwarranted. Sure, I would have sold the ball instead of taking the route he did but I’m not going to drag this guy through the garden just because he did something noble albeit fiscally disadvantageous.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
It’s admirable what he did, but I would have told Jeter he had to pony up some cash for the ball, especially if I was in this kid’s position. If Jeter declined, I’d sell it on eBay or some place like that. He turned down a guaranteed money maker. Whether it would have sold for 10k or 100k, it doesn’t matter. Free money is, well, free money.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Reminds me of the story of the Astros fan who won free donuts for a year at a game and ended up with a tax bill of something like $700.
That being said, I don’t think they’ll keep this guy on the hook for 14K. Jeter will pick up the bill, or they’ll just call it a gift.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
What a cluster..
July 12th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
claim it as the gift it is and don’t listen to over-reaction from journos pushing for a worst-case scenario to try and sell a story that’s not really all that interesting?
July 12th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
doesn’t seem like Jeter was part of the negotiations. sounds like after he caught the ball (2nd inning), a deal was struck soon-after, while the game was still going on.
i think this is more about the Yankees. if you read the NYT story, Randy Levine asked him, ‘what do you want?’
July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Disagree. More than half the profit you get from trying to sell the ball would be paid out in taxes, fees to the auctioning house and the person/group you hire to help you sell the ball. Not to mention you may have to wait years before you even see the money. He could easily sell his suite tickets to make a few dollars not to mention sell all of the memorabillia he received from the team as compensation for the ball.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
If the Yanks/Jeter were smart, then give the kid $150K public. Pays off his loan debts, his tax responsibilities and they appear to be good guys.
Chances of it happening: 0.00001%
July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
This guy has a 100K in student loans and is a cell phone salesman? Ruh Roh. And America wonder’s why our system is broken?
July 12th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
I should have thrown in a few more “not to mention”‘s in there.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
/scans first post
//TBL didn’t know it was coming
July 12th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Not a big deal because I tend to think this does fall into the realm of “gift”; but even if the IRS disagrees, then he just needs to sell his tickets to some of the games to meet the tax burden. Easy solution.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
/needs more zeros
//zeroes?
///fuck
July 12th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
*wonders
July 12th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
I agree. However, I am curious how the Yankees would feel about him selling his suite tickets. Just speculating, but the Yankees can sometimes be a little uptight about things like that.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
it’s a good thing he’s graduated and not a student athlete…god forbid what the ncaa would do if they caught him trading this thing he personally owns for tickets.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:56 AM
but then wouldn’t he also have to pay taxes on the income generated from the sale of the tickets as well?
if i caught it, i’d have written my name on it and tossed it back on the field. one hell of a story when you’re taking your kids through the HOF and they see your name written on the ball.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:56 AM
This guy has a 100K in student loans and is a cell phone salesman? Ruh Roh. And America wonder’s why our system is broken?
Sadly, it’s a way too common situation. It’s part of the push by schools to get kids to make a major financial decision when all they’re worried about is where they can get to the best parties/cheapest beers/easiest girls and can’t think of what they want to do/be.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:56 AM
The guy could end up being taxed tens of thousands of dollars for receiving tickets from the Yankees. I’m sure this is a case where they wouldn’t get pissed if he sold some tickets.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Signed,
Angry OSU fans
July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Did you deposit your low seven figures in $9,999 increments?
July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
agree. However, I am curious how the Yankees would feel about him selling his suite tickets.
Does it matter how they “feel” about it? Aren’t they his tickets, can’t he do what he pleases with them? Or if you buy Yankees season tickets to do you have to run it by Yankee brass before you can give your tickets to your friends? Is Yankee Stadium Bushwood? Who’s Judge Smails?
July 12th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
That is the best idea I have heard.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
So you’re going with tax fraud as the best way out of this mess?
Got it.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
No, that would amount to double-taxing. If he’s being taxed on the value of the tickets, then he has the right to that value.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
Can they ding him again then, for the selling the tickets, essentially a double tax?
Pure insanity.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
No. I don’t pay taxes on the Blackhawks or Cubs tickets I sell.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
and people who appreciate rules that make sense.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Anyone that can play cards knows exactly when it is time to cash out.
July 12th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
This guy has a 100K in student loans and is a cell phone salesman? Ruh Roh. And America wonder’s why our system is broken?
July 12th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
He probably should argue that because…ya know.. they were gifts. He didn’t win a prize, the Yankees were not obligated to give him dick as part of him catching the ball.
I am torn on what I would do. I’d like to think I would give the ball back, but fuck man I have bills to pay off like this dude. I’d probably sell it and tell Jeter if he wants it that bad he can buy it from auction himself.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
And partly because college is becoming viewed as an extention of HS, something this isn’t necessarily a choice.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Hey, AJ Green was fucked for the same shit. It sucks, but they knew the rules and broke them anyway. That’s on the players, not the rule.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
i thought jeter was the most humble athlete ever to step on a field, though…what need would he have for such vainglorious trinkets?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
By the letter of the law, any profit over face value on that sale is taxable as income. In actuality, the only people paying taxes on selling tickets are ticket agencies.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
It’s true, though. If you don’t have a college degree you need to be exceptional at something. If not, you cap yourself because most companies won’t even look at you once they see that you don’t have the degree. It’s kind of ridiculous, but it’s what it is.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Agreed. If he’s a cell phone salesman, no way he’s higher than a 15% marginal tax bracket, especially after deducting interest on $100k student loans.
$50,000 x 15% = hell of a lot less than $14,000
And if his tax bracket is higher than 15%, stop pushing the cell phone salesman angle.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
oh, i know it’s on the players. but that doesn’t mean the rule shouldn’t be amended.
lets not bicker about this tho…now’s not the time.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
don’t most tickets have language about the property of game equipment entering the stands?
i thought it was always property of the fan, which is why an attendant will always ask for the item back in exchange of goods rather than just ripping it out of his hands.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
I doubt Jeter gives a shit about that ball. He’s Derek Jeter. He would of probably signed the ball and gave it back to that rube.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
no big deal? sell your windfall to pay the tax man? so you get to enjoy … nothing? i’ll put this down as a topic we will talk about at the ballgame.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
jeez, enough with the jeter crap. no one outside of NYC gives a shit about him anymore.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Follow Oprah’s “Expensive shit she gives to poor people” path and ye shall be enlightenedith.
/oprah.com
July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Jay V: Are you traveling to East Carolina to see SC play this year?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
In his defense, $79,000 of it was probably spent on alcohol.
/America–FUCK YEAH!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:05 PM
It’s true, though. If you don’t have a college degree you need to be exceptional at something. If not, you cap yourself because most companies won’t even look at you once they see that you don’t have the degree. It’s kind of ridiculous, but it’s what it is.
Or you could say fuck the man, and become an entrepreneur. You get a 4 year head start on everybody. College isn’t as necessary as we are all led to believe, IMO.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:05 PM
The notion that a person who catches a historic ball is automatically entitled to a quid pro quo is disgusting.
I feel sometimes like I’m rereading Edmund Burke’s accounts of the French Revolution when I hear about things like this.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
“The tickets to the 32 remaining home games (after Sunday) have a combined face value of $44,800 to $73,600, according to the team’s Web site. The tickets could be worth a lot more if the Yankees play deep into October.”
“they would probably carry a tax burden of about $14,000″
Or he could enjoy the difference between $73,600 and $14,000.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Ummm, that 50K pushes his tax bracket upward.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Agreed.
I think everyone here is over thinking this just a bit much.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
he would just need to sell enough tickets at face value to cover the tax fee. if they are worth up to 50K total, he could still enjoy many games. b/c really, if you’re working at a cell phone kiosk with limited income, i doubt the guy will make it to all remaining 32 home games or he’d lose his job due to the amount of time he’d be missing.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
i mean, what did he really do to earn it?
and fuck this whole bullshit about not paying taxes on shit like this…it’s frivolous bullshit like this that SHOULD be taxed (if sold for a ridiculous profit like we’re assuming). if you like living in america, don’t complain about paying taxes on something that flew into your hands by complete flukey chance.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Straight cash, homey.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Hence the line about being exceptional in some regard. If you are, college is probably a waste of time if you don’t care about having the best time of your life. If you want to make cash right away it makes a lot of sense.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
This guy has a 100K in student loans and is a cell phone salesman? Ruh Roh. And America wonder’s why our system is broken?
That degree in philosophy and medieval literature was a gold mine.
/minored in philosophy
July 12th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Agreed.
I think everyone here is over thinking this just a bit much.
/Slowest sports week of the year’d
July 12th, 2011 at 12:08 PM
What are you talking about…he probably needs to sell tickets to 1/4 of the games…enjoy…nothing? HUH? More like, enjoy…20-25 Yankees games in posh suite for free.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Much more than what the IRS did to earn it.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Good point, actually. Also, anyone else shocked this dude was 23? He looked like he was 33 when I saw him interviewed.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
why is “America’s system” broken because this guy has a college degree and sells cell phones? what’s the system? and if the system is that he got a degree in psychology and can’t find a job that utilizes his qualifications as a graduate with a psychology degree, then that system doesn’t sound broken…it sounds like it’s humming right along as it always has been.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
The game is in Charlotte, not @ECU…but, yes, I am heading down.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
i just think of the roman gladiator games that went a month to get people to ignore the starvation, ignorance and ethical depravity that was running rampant…
July 12th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
so i shouldn’t post about Jeter later?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Motherfucking this! Except to say that Jeter is a fucking pussy punk bitch for skipping the ASG.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Graduate degrees today = College degrees 40 years ago
/maybe?
I do wonder if with college becoming the ‘norm’ that eventually more focus will be placed on the quality of the school you go to.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
why is “America’s system” broken because this guy has a college degree and sells cell phones? what’s the system? and if the system is that he got a degree in psychology and can’t find a job that utilizes his qualifications as a graduate with a psychology degree, then that system doesn’t sound broken…it sounds like it’s humming right along as it always has been.
Miz gets it.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
very true.
however, also true, a degree from a small in state school will get you a job just as well as a degree from a large out of state school, but with a lot less debt.
you don’t need to go to harvard and then graduate work at yale if you intend in anything other than a highly specific field such as law, medicine, etc.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Scariest thing you’ll see all day.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Go to trade school and become a plumber, mechanic, or contractor. Those guys are earning more than most college grads.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
<—- Still cares about Jeter
July 12th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
I’m not sure about any broken systems, but the education bubble is the next one to pop, if it hasn’t already.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Pretty much this.
/does not want to live the rest of his life in debt to Citi
July 12th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Call me cynical, but I think it will always matter who you know above where you were taught. A Harvard degree is great, but if you graduate from AUB (a notoriously shitty school*) but have the hookup you’re probably better off.
*that was for Ritty
July 12th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Smart, talented people can generally find good jobs fitting their experience and abilities. It just takes a bit of effort sometime, or paying dues… at some point, your full-time job has to be finding a job.
/Suze Orman’d
July 12th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Graduate degrees today = College degrees 40 years ago
/maybe?
Yes, in some industries. Others aren’t quite there yet, but give it another generation.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
This.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Did you copy my bio?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
fair point. but the mere fact that he has to sell the tickets – I have never sold tickets, i have no idea how much of a hassle it is to sell 50 tickets, or whatever he has to sell – just to pay off the tax guy seems annoying, weak, and pathetic.
when Levine asked him, ‘what do you want?’ i think the move should have been, ‘make me an offer.’
if during negotiations he says $50k, then he pays $14k in taxes and has 36k to take his girl on a vacation, put aside $15k for a house in a few years, invest $10k, and still have money left over to enjoy the rest of the year.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Sure am glad I got out of there before I even got in. Still a $29K mistake that I wish I had back though.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
name the states, drink while you think.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
So you actually think he’s going to have to cover taxes out of his own pocket? Not going to happen and you know it. The Yankees won’t let that happen, Evil Empire or not.
/who cares
July 12th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
What the kid should have done was ask for Jeters all-star bonus in return for the ball.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
oh that’s just fantastic…fuck that elitist shit. im sure there are plenty of legacies who got into very high quality schools, fuck off and party the whole time and leave not being as capable as someone putting themselves thru college who really wants to be there but couldn’t afford anything more than a state school.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Ah crap. And I worked so hard to sound smrt.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
I’m not sure about any broken systems, but the education bubble is the next one to pop, if it hasn’t already.
This is also a true statement. And it’s largely because of the increased cost focus of schools, both for profit and not for profit. Although for profit colleges, which account for 12% of the Federal Direct Loan program’s volume, account for 50% of it’s defaults.
Out of pocket costs for colleges are soaring above the ability of state and federal programs to bridge the gap. And not all institutions are open handed with their money. So that means more loan volume than ever before.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
But he didn’t want anything, TBL. He just wanted to hand Jeter the ball and walk away. Receiving these benefits wasn’t something he asked for, he just accepted them.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
listing any ticket on ebay that reads red sox/yankees or bruce springsteen in the meadowlands is the easiet thing you can do. it’s like pouring sugar outside of an anthill.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
so it’s the school’s fault that the students are dumbasses and can’t make a rational decision? got it.
It’s true, though. If you don’t have a college degree you need to be exceptional at something. If not, you cap yourself because most companies won’t even look at you once they see that you don’t have the degree. It’s kind of ridiculous, but it’s what it is.
it’s not ridiculous; it’s progress.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
BTW, if anyone is partway through college, or even done and willing to get a few more years…
I (and many smart business people in and out of the medical profession) believe that the absolute fastest/easiest way to a 100k salary these days is to get a graduate nursing (NP) degree. The profession is changing/has to change so that “sniffles” are treated by quick office visits to FNPs, not $1000 ER visits.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
even before I got myself in trouble, I couldn’t find a good job with my bachelor’s degree and a majority of my master’s degree credits. I searched and searched and applied everywhere but couldn’t get my foot in the door in a desired field. Sometimes you just don’t get the breaks
July 12th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
I’m not sure about any broken systems, but the education bubble is the next one to pop, if it hasn’t already.
That’s the point I was trying to make. And it was really more of a flippant comment, not a point. IMO, Wayyy too many people are taking on wayyyy to much debt to major in philosophy/english/poli-sci just because in HS, it’s rammed into your head that “you must go to college. college, college, college.” I’m sure the more informed lot will tell me otherwise though, which is fine.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Or he takes his jabroni friends to Scores for the BEST NIGHT EVAR!!!!
/America, FUCK YEAH!
//we’re broke
July 12th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
By the way, agree with whoever said that Jeter is a pussy for not playing tonight. Too much sand in his vagina. At least show up and get recognized. What a douche.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
You were obviously the most mature 18 year old ever.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
so it’s the school’s fault that the students are dumbasses and can’t make a rational decision? got it
I’m not really blaming the colleges themselves… I do blame some HS teachers and guidance counselors though…. How can you count on an 18 year old to make a “rational” decision when it’s been driven into his head by his teachers/parents that unless he gets into college, he’s a failure?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
and don’t forget the lack of income growth for middle class families, which makes up the majority of college students, has been stagnant, which makes it even more difficult for people to pay off student loans.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
My guess…and this is just a guess, but I suspect I am absolutely correct…is that the Yankees were unlikely to give him straight-up cash, and if there was cash involved, absolutely were NOT giving him 50K.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
That’s the point I was trying to make. And it was really more of a flippant comment, not a point. IMO, Wayyy too many people are taking on wayyyy to much debt to major in philosophy/english/poli-sci just because in HS, it’s rammed into your head that “you must go to college. college, college, college.” I’m sure the more informed lot will tell me otherwise though, which is fine.
I partly agree with this. Although I don’t think it’s the choice of majors that is the problem. I think it’s that more students are going to college now than probably should be. Some realize it after a year and get away with minimal debt. Some stick around for 4, 5, 6 or more years and can’t get away from the debt because they figure, well I’ve been here this long, I need to at least get a degree.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
This. I paid my way through school between scholarships/working, and so while I enjoyed myself quite a bit, there were many times I had to stay in on a Thursday night and study instead of partying. I don’t have a ton of pity for people who either didn’t work hard enough in college, or blew off most of it to party and got a degree they aren’t interested in because it was easy.
Psych/English majors who work hard at it and that’s what they wanted to do, usually can find work because they choose that with a career in mind (usually a grad degree too).
July 12th, 2011 at 12:18 PM
damn, html fail in #90. it’s only Tuesday and I’ve met my weekly quota.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Miz: What is ridiculous is that there are people without degrees who are far more capable than those who do. The ridiculous part comes from the laziness of employers to not interview them.
/talking about non-specified shit like engineers, for the record.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
and don’t forget the lack of income growth for middle class families, which makes up the majority of college students, has been stagnant, which makes it even more difficult for people to pay off student loans.
Yep this too.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
That was me. Waaaaaah, I’m too exhausted from chasing 3k hits and having all eyes on me every day and every at-bat, wah. Oh wait, all eyes are always on you and watching your every move, you’re Derek fucking Jeter asshole.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
I don’t have a ton of pity for people who either didn’t work hard enough in college
It’s one thing if they didn’t graduate, but how you can you say they didn’t work hard if they graduated? Because they didn’t choose a physics or chemistry major they didn’t work hard?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Don’t many masters degree programs have internships/connections? If you aren’t too far removed from the program or still working on the degree, I’d look up that route.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Hey he is drained from having to get up everyday and play a game for a living. Whilst worrying about his millions of dollars and having to satisfy a beautiful woman(debatable!) every night. Leave Derek Alone!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Wait…strike that. Talking about non-specified shit AS OPPOSED to engineers.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
When I worked for Walmart, I kept trying to get into personnel and HR. I have a fucking degree in the field and I couldn’t get in because they wanted to keep the cheap, unqualified ladies in that department. Heaven forbid you hire someone with previous knowledge
July 12th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
O/T Hypothetical
If you ended up with the sports almanac in Back to the Future 2 and knew the outcome of all the games would you pool as much money as you could for one HUGE bet or would you spread out your winning bets over a lifetime until you got to said future year. You have to figure with today’s technology you would be flagged for winning so much. But then again maybe you drop a few games on purpose here and there.
I’ve been having this debate with one of my friends for 20 years. He says one huge bet, I say string of small bets. We clearly have no life.
/end O/T hypothetical
July 12th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Working hard and your ability to pay for the outrageous cost of a degree is not the same thing.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
when i was 18, i wanted to take a year off between HS and college to figure out what i wanted to do/study. got pushed into school from mother and my college guidance counselor…good thing i got rushed! thanks guys!
but yea…the counselor and my mother knew WAY better than i did regarding what i wanted to do with my life. now i have a worthless degree and a canyon sized chip on my shoulder in regards to anything that has to do with the education industry and a bunch of personal debt.
fuck that.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:22 PM
nope, but my parents instilled expectations in me that I transferred to myself. I chose a degree and career path that had great employment potential and it’s paid off massively. also, WWoS took these words right out of my mouth:
I paid my way through school between scholarships/working, and so while I enjoyed myself quite a bit, there were many times I had to stay in on a Thursday night and study instead of partying. I don’t have a ton of pity for people who either didn’t work hard enough in college, or blew off most of it to party and got a degree they aren’t interested in because it was easy.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:22 PM
When I was in the program, I was working fulltime (it was a weekend program) so there wasn’t a chance to do an internship. I haven’t been involved with the program in a couple years (will have to re-enroll to finish thesis) and I don’t live near the school anymore so we’ll see what i can do.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
Many big bets as opposed to one massive bet. I’d then be known as the best handicapper in the world, and would be paid by the casino’s to set the lines, write books and bang bitches.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
I know lots of people who graduated and didn’t work hard to do so… My school had ‘easy’ majors if you wanted them. I just dont want this to devolve into a discussion about psych majors who can’t find work. Most psych etc majors I know worked hard at it, and wanted to get that degree with a career in mind. If people are psych/socio etc bc its ‘easy’ and they don’t have to work hard, then they get in trouble because a lot of the effort in finding internships/connections, come from working hard and going above/beyond requirements as an undergrad.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
I still don’t understand the hate for Derek Jeter.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
but yea…the counselor and my mother knew WAY better than i did regarding what i wanted to do with my life. now i have a worthless degree and a canyon sized chip on my shoulder in regards to anything that has to do with the education industry and a bunch of personal debt.
fuck that.
/Raises glass
//went to in-state school though, so wasn’t fucked with debt
///thankful for that, still haven’t found a career though.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:24 PM
/looks at his college debt amount
//cries into pillow
July 12th, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Why are you yelling Miz?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
I still don’t understand the hate for Derek Jeter.
He’s on the Yankees.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
GFY. The hate isn’t for Jeter. It’s for the constant fellatio he gets from people!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
One big bet to get me some coin, then small on-going bets, with some losers thrown in.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
I did all of those things, and escaped a private school with less than 10K in student loans in four years. That doesn’t change the fact that what is being pushed on kids these days is wrong. There is zero push in this country for kids pursuing an education the smart way. Taking advantage of free money or cheaper opportunities. Loans are pushed as a way to get through it and kids are told that “oh you have a degree it’ll pay for itself”, and that’s just not true.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
It’s rarely the player that is hated, but rather how the player is viewed by fans and the media.
/not a Jeter hater
//seems like good people
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
I now imagine that you are 53, live with her, and only refer to her as “Mother”.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:25 PM
When I was applying 10+ years ago, there were a lot of schools that weren’t ridiculously expensive, and many that had plenty of both need/academic scholarships. Has college really gotten that much more expensive across the board (not just at top schools)?
/honest question
July 12th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
A few big bets, mostly on horses, after identifying the biggest longshot payouts. Of course, then you might be changing the time/space continuum, because if you identify a horse that won at 30/1, then dropping a huuuuuuuge bet on that horse will lower his odds, and BOOM, off you go on an alternate plane of existence.
/Thinks way too much about it as well
July 12th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
Why in the fuck would you ever lose? What, someone is going to accuse you of going back in time and finding out all of the scores?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
first i’d do a few huge bets, make massive winnings, then once i have enough I’d begin to tank a couple big bets every now and then…nothing too obscene. i’d always win the upsets.
then once i have enough, i’d open up a gambling empire in vegas,making even more cash. i’d buy politicians to open up legalizing gambling in other states to open a franchise. it would be the most valuable franchise in the world.
and i’d sell it all for a massive, massive sum the day the almanac gets caught up.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
/looks at degree
//looks at business card
///sighs
July 12th, 2011 at 12:27 PM
This, too. My brother failed out of college he was forced to go to by ‘expectations’. Took a while for my parents to understand that success is measured individually, and doesn’t require matching societal or parental expectations.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
christ almighty, i love my mom, but id start hooking before i moved back home.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
WWoS..yes.
My youngest brother is attending the same college I did. When i went there from 2000-2004, the total cost per year was around 24,000. Now, it’s about 34,000 per year. It’s total bullshit and the school gets generous endowments and donations from alumni and other private parties.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:28 PM
String of huge bets.
/Biff’d
July 12th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Bingo! And the fact that he’s on the Yankees.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
If you ended up with the sports almanac in Back to the Future 2 and knew the outcome of all the games would you pool as much money as you could for one HUGE bet or would you spread out your winning bets over a lifetime until you got to said future year.
I would scour the Sports Almanac for hints about market inefficiencies in the economic realm and try to cash in on those. Much bigger pay off and it doesn’t matter if you’re cheating.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
mmm And I would love her too
/obscure “Scrubs” reference
July 12th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
that guy is not 23 years old.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
I have an awesome relationship with my mom…but the thought of living with her makes me nauseous. Having not lived with my parents since I was 17, there’s just no way I could ever go back.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:29 PM
That sounds like the parents job, not the universities problem. And I know it is being done, but people being smart and frugal doesnt get as many clicks as in debt kids taken advantage of by the big mean school.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
When I was applying 10+ years ago, there were a lot of schools that weren’t ridiculously expensive, and many that had plenty of both need/academic scholarships. Has college really gotten that much more expensive across the board (not just at top schools)?
/honest question
I think you’re applying your own personal situation to others a little too much here. It’s great that you knew exactly what you were going to do. A lot of HS kids don’t though, and many counselors, teachers, parents push them right into college anyway. They’re forced to pick a major (a lot of times a liberal arts one — why would they choose chemistry if they’re not sure what that’s what they want to do?), and then they end up fucked with a lot of debt and no real job prospects. That’s where the problems arise.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Depends on what route you go. Top tier and private schools yes. Most state schools though are reasonably priced. In my opinion, that’s not what is being pushed though. Is there some onus on the students? Yes, but if I wish I knew what I know now when I was 18.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Yup, my brother is case in point. He can cook really well, but societal pressure is making him go to college. Didn’t do too well now is probably going to comm. college until culinary school.
Hell, I worked a year for my family in construction, then found a temp job that led to where I have worked now for the past five+ years. It takes time.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
I’d find new/expansion team names and buy every related domain name. That’s one of my big regrets in life was that I was exposed to the internet early enough where that was possible, and I wasn’t very interested in the web or understanding what it was, and never got any domain names.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
ATL_badger, i swear you’re reading my college history
July 12th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
And Arizona comes in at No. 39.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:32 PM
wait…who’s fault is that? I never took out a penny of loans and paid my entire way through school with scholarships, internships, and part-time jobs. I also went to a state school because there’s no way I could ever afford a private school. you’re passing the buck from the people accepting the loans to the people pushing the loans.
personal responsibility is as dead as spencer’s machismo.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Can’t do pari-mutual betting. Have to stick to point spreads and money-lines, but never allow your bets to become public.
/Make sure you get on the 2015 Miami/Chicago World Series futures
July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Yep – it’s ridiculous now. My engineering degree from PSU, if I were a freshman this fall, would run over $60k just in tuition (not including room/board). I think my total in the mid-90′s including everything was less than $40k, which I managed to escape without loans/debt.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Has college really gotten that much more expensive across the board (not just at top schools)?
I’m going off skimmed headlines here but I think it has.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Bunch of poor sandy educated vaginas up in here.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
they go up a bit under 8% per year. it’s something close to 2.5x inflation.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Cybersquatting!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:34 PM
This. My parents were out of town the summer after freshman year I lived back in NH, and even that was too much. I don’t do well with being told what to do, ever, by anyone.
/needs to work on that
July 12th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Do you realize that you have the autonomy to choose what you watch/read/listen to?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:35 PM
When I was applying 10+ years ago, there were a lot of schools that weren’t ridiculously expensive, and many that had plenty of both need/academic scholarships. Has college really gotten that much more expensive across the board (not just at top schools)?
/honest question
Oh my yes. I finished my B.A, 6 years ago. The cost of attendance at my alma mater has gone up almost $20k in those 6 years.
The cost of a single hour of tuition for this coming year is $1,462.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I set up a PA-based 529 account the month my son was born (April). It recommended a minimum monthly contribution of $400/month for 18 years to pay for his tuition (including the rate of return) at a PA state school.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:36 PM
I am pulling for the education bubble to burst in 2018…and I can send my daughter to Harvard for $5k/year.
/trust me, she is a whiz with blocks
July 12th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
it depends, if the almanac is brought back through time it will be subject to the grandfather paradox, where it can’t be changed b/c doing so would change the almanac itself, and if that happened it wouldn’t exist.
now, back to the future largely ignored this paradox, but for the sake of argument i would say you could drop 500 million on a horse with a 1000 to 1 shot of winning and it won’t change the odds if it’s written in the almanac.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
I escaped with college with under 5k in debt and sizeable, but manageable credit card bill that I’ll pay off this month (yay!). I consider myself lucky. I know friends smarter than I that will be paying $500-$800 a month for the rest of their lives for their degrees. I get the personal accountability — I worked my ass off in summers during HS to save for my future tuition — but the system seems broken. These people will start defaulting on these loans, and then it’s the housing market all over again.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Personal responsibility when you are 18 in this situation? You were lucky that you had people in your life to guide you in those areas. Most people aren’t that lucky. I just think there needs to be better education about those things, because there aren’t right now. Just because you were lucky in how you grew up, doesn’t mean everyone else has to be fucked.
/usually agrees with Miz
//just not today
July 12th, 2011 at 12:37 PM
I live in Yankee country. It’s all that is talked about.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
This. It happened with the mortgage shit and now education? You make $20,000 a year, get a $400,000 mortgage, and cant figure out why you lose your house in 5 years? I understand there were(are) some predatory lending practices, and predatory presidential statements wanting everyone in a house regardless of ability to pay for said house, but some responsibility falls on people borrowing as well.
/starts shit
//goes to lunch
July 12th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
bubble
July 12th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
That’s not how the ponies work. By its very nature, you would change the odds with that bet.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
college tuition and the student loan system is all one big ass rape
July 12th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
**Was not an econ major, am probably wrong with the housing bubble comparison.
Thought I’d add that before it’s torn to shreds.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:39 PM
Damn ATL beat me to it. Blame falls on both ends. More important to fix it than argue about which side of 50% the blame falls on for each party.
/NFL’d
July 12th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
College tution and fees and gone up 2 – 4 times the rate of inflation the past 25 years.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
it’d be nice if you could do one of those 529′s where you can lock in tuition rates in today’s dollars for state schools and not just private schools. that’ll be the next big step for college savings before the bubble bursts.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
So you would have to do small bets across the board. Discussion over. Any big bets would make crappy odds show up in your future book.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
I would love to somehow make money on this…any ideas? Where is BarryProfitt? Did that guy slip into a coke-filled coma some months back?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
/calls back some employers
//oh another rejection
///depressed
July 12th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
My HS friend went to Duke and then Michigan Law. I believe he left with a Law degree from UM and 200K in debt. Dude was the smartest kid I knew (1590 SAT) but damn…that’s a lot of cash to owe back.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
you hedge all your comments now. OWN YOUR ENGAGING! don’t be embarassed by it. embrace the meme! do not be afraid of sportsgal!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:41 PM
but that’s how the grandfather paradox works.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
That’s the worst thing I have ever heard. That is completely messed up.
/gets snipped
July 12th, 2011 at 12:42 PM
the penis-shaped state (Florida) already does this.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
I have no problem with a kid taking 4 years out of his life to join the military to 1. grow up, learn some discipline, etc 2. learn a skill 3. if that skill isnt what he wants to do, time to figure out what the fuck he wants to do if and when he gets out.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
this touches on a larger issue…high quality education should be provided for every single american. we’re languishing behind other countries, and why? because we’re lazy.
if you invest in educating your constituency, your entire country will benefit from it down the road in spades across all spectrum.
but yea…keep spending $700 million keeping people from smoking weed.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
You know, you could weight the odds in your favor by placing losing bets on losing horses in the same races where you’re going to win big. The odds are only for that horse winning but you aren’t going to make the big money by placing show bets.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
How did he not get almost a full ride?
/fuck duke!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:43 PM
My HS friend went to Duke and then Michigan Law. I believe he left with a Law degree from UM and 200K in debt. Dude was the smartest kid I knew (1590 SAT) but damn…that’s a lot of cash to owe back
Well if he has a job now that’s on par with that education resume, I’d say he’s doing okay (I’m assuming he is). He’s not really the problem. It’s the people that go to a marginally decent private school and major in liberal arts and end up 200K in the hole that are.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
christ, if i had to spend 8 years with duke and michigan people and then told i owed $200k, id be pissed.
/not really…well, kinda…
July 12th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
it’s ok to be wrong sometimes, brah.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
I would love to somehow make money on this…any ideas?
Are there insurance bonds that pay off if tuition rises above a certain level?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:44 PM
you hedge all your comments now. OWN YOUR ENGAGING!
you’ve got me pegged. figuratively, of course.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:45 PM
fixed.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.
id even take it a step further…if you want to be an american, 2 years mandatory military or civic service when you’re 18-20. teach kids how to be responsible and let them mature, and let them choose if they want to educate themselves when they’re 20 and actually have an idea what they want to do. and if they don’t want to go to college, they have trade skills learned over those 2 years.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
You are paradoxing a paradox. I am pretty sure the universe would collapse on itself.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
hilarious. +1 stoma to you.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
Not if time travel followed the Bill & Ted rules, whereby the book would “know” you were betting $500 million and already reflected those odds.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
yes, but dumber, lazier constiuents are easier to control.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
I am pretty sure the universe would collapse on itself.
For the kind of cash we’re talking about I find this an acceptable risk
July 12th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
I’m really late to the party, but the Yankees probably don’t want this transaction to be treated as a gift because of gift taxes. I’m pretty sure the $13,000 annual exclusion applies to corporations as well. Plus, they’d want to deduct the cost of the items, which means the fan would have to include it as income.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
I set up one in another state (you don’t have to have a 529 from the state you live in….) and the amount of money they recommend you put into it is funny.
/Funny as in unrealistic.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
one of my good friend’s fiancee has a bach from capital university, masters from univ. of miami (fl) and a law degree from case western and $250k debt.
she just got a job in her field after being out of law school for three years last week. it’s not exactly easy to get a job in a field even with a sick college resume.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
you’ve got me pegged. figuratively, of course.
hilarious. +1 stoma to you.
I’ve learned it’s much easier to hedge than to get engaged in defending my point in an argument that at the end of the day, I could really care less about.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:48 PM
oh no doubt.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Then it couldn’t be a long-shot…unless a few billion were put on the favorites.
The people running the horse races make money because they take there 18% and split up the pool among the winners. If there was just your $500M plus a $50k from the plebes, you are not looking at that much coming back.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
rant
So when you start probation, one of the important things you are told is to get a job. The problem is that most employers around here won’t hire you, you have limitations on where you CAN work, and if you don’t have a vehicle, you’re SOL on getting a job out of the area. There has to be a better system of incorporating felons back into the workplace so guys like me don’t have to keep getting medicaid and welfare.
/end rant
July 12th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
she just got a job in her field after being out of law school for three years last week. it’s not exactly easy to get a job in a field even with a sick college resume
Agree.. you don’t have to tell me that. That being said, Duke and then Michigan Law is pretty top notch. If those kids aren’t finding jobs, then we’re really in trouble.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
I would vote for someone…ANYONE, if they campaigned on this premise. Seriously. If Michele Bachmann’s batshit-crazy ass ran on this issue I’d vote for her and be proud to do so.
Education is the basis for everything. The smarter the populace, the better everyone is. But as Spencer said, we choose to spend our money and resources on stopping people from getting high and building shit for a military that doesn’t want nor need it.
Fuck.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:50 PM
emphasis, mine.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
whatever the taxes would be would be nothing compared to a) the amt of money they annually rake in and b) the amount of goodwill they’d receive. imagine the shit storm this’d cause if they bitched about having to pay a gift tax while some kid with crazy debt and no income has to shoulder the burden for being unlucky enough to catch a ball…
July 12th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
So much this. Could be applied in general to anything. Instead of the hundreds of billions that went into blowing up the middle east, we could’ve put that money into building Europe-style high speed rail or fixing the bridges that are falling or putting paying off the national debt.
I also like the idea of mandatory miliatry service. There are a lot of countries mandate it (Israel, Switzerland, Korea)
July 12th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
I like all this, though you should be able to opt out/defer. People getting grad degrees don’t need to be adding years on to the front end of schooling. 6-10 years of school is a bitch, no one wants to get out of school at 30, especially since a lot of people take a year or two off to do research between undergrad and med/grad school.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:52 PM
It was harder than he thought it was going to be. He works in Chicago as a gov’t attorney now. Not exactly living the high life as he essentially has a mortgage to pay back each month in addition to his rent.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:52 PM
exactly.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
Right. There would need to be a few billion on the favorite.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
I also like the idea of mandatory miliatry service. There are a lot of countries mandate it (Israel, Switzerland, Korea)
Meh.. I’m not as sold. I was watching 60 minutes the other day… one of the reasons they were saying there are so many homeless vets is because once they leave the military, they struggle with the reality that there isn’t anyone telling them exactly what to do, where to work, etc. I don’t know if the military is the best system to condition people for the real world.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
this touches on a larger issue…high quality education should be provided for every single american. we’re languishing behind other countries, and why? because we’re lazy.
Are we languishing though? Americans have never tested in the top 3 of math and sciences compared to other industrialized countries. Assertions to the otherwise are a myth.
Why do Chinese students and students in Singapore outperform us in math and science? Because we take the time to teach our students history, english, and literature.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
well, from what I’ve learned today, the better system for incorporating felons back into the workplace is definitely not pushing college loans on them so they can party for 4 years.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
hence “military OR CIVIC duty.”
nobody’s saying you gotta tote a gun around…feel free to do data entry for social security or work for a national park or something.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:54 PM
No doubt, my only point was from a “pure business” standpoint, they probably don’t want to add another 35% onto what they’re already giving the guy. Wasn’t there a big fiasco a few years back about someone giving back a home run baseball and the IRS going after him for not paying taxes on the gift?
July 12th, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Like was said before, 2 years from 18-20, then you can do whatever you want. Go to college, go to trade school, start a business or stay in the military, anything. Too many people in the younger demographic are too strung out and don’t listen. A little military shit-kicking would straighten them out.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Agreed.
/got college loans
//didn’t party
///worked many part-time jobs just to have spending money
////fuck it all!
July 12th, 2011 at 12:55 PM
I agree with all of this.
July 12th, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Ahh…I think I get it.
Step 1: Get Mark Cuban and Bill Gates to Hollywood Park
July 12th, 2011 at 12:59 PM
Don’t forget we also teach drivers ed.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
and because we know that they’ll come here for college and the paycheck regardless of where they go to primary and high school?
July 12th, 2011 at 1:00 PM
but then we’ll have a bunch of “community organizers” and what have they ever done for our country?
/sarcastic
//can’t wait for the election cycle and TBL debate roundups to begin.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:07 PM
Take a gander at a lot of the CEOs and big guys in fortune 500 companies, successful small businesses and the like..a lot of them are Marines
July 12th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
and because we know that they’ll come here for college and the paycheck regardless of where they go to primary and high school?
I guess. I don’t know.
My point is that decline is relative. And while maybe not as many kids are studying engineering as was the case 50 years ago, the total number of people attending college has increased many times over.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Take a gander at a lot of the CEOs and big guys in fortune 500 companies, successful small businesses and the like..a lot of them are Marines
So are a LOT of homeless people.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Also, in regards to America’s so called “education” gap when compared to other countries…do you trust our published statistics? Think about the huge scandal in Atlanta right now. So year, our stats are probably pumped up a little bit. China and Singapore don’t have media watchdogs to fact check their education numbers. So if America’s numbers are probably worse than what’s reported…
/just sayin’
July 12th, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Take a gander at a lot of the CEOs and big guys in fortune 500 companies, successful small businesses and the like..a lot of them are Marines
Many of them never got a fancy MBA or even finished college also.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
So are a LOT of successful homeless people
Don’t mind me, I just wanted to see how that would look. Carry on
July 12th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Don’t mind me, I just wanted to see how that would look. Carry on
I think I see what you did there. Not entirely sure.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:17 PM
I would say a lot of those dont have any family or a support network or they got into drugs. Just because someone tells you they were a Marine doesnt mean they got out with an honorable discharge
July 12th, 2011 at 1:18 PM
or that they were actually ever a Marine.
July 12th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
Touche
July 12th, 2011 at 1:21 PM
not if an American did them…
July 12th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Always an interesting discussion.
Husker – I do a lot of the intern interviews at my shop and am also tasked with reviewing the resumes. Over two weeks I received over 200 resumes. I do not have time to interview all of those people, I already work 80 hours a week. My first cut was to eliminate any resume that didn’t have a business degree (finance/accounting/economics only) or an engineering/science degree. It may not be fair and I may be missing out on some great kids but I know what those degrees bring to the table.
Lets face it there are a lot of problems with higher education but a lot of it falls on personal responsibility. I suppose I was lucking in that I knew what I wanting to do by sophomore year and spent my freshman year taking all the general courses everybody did. Maybe I was lucky that I had a good student adviser that told me a responsible way to identify what I like. However, far too many kids see college as a 4 year party and waste their time working towards the easiest degree they can find with no foresight into what are the career prospects for that degree. I dated a girl who changed her major three times and because of it she is on the 6 year program. You can rack up a lot of debt in 6 years. I think the best solution is that colleges need to have a mandatory career class for every student to take 2nd semester/4th quarter of their freshman year. Maybe this would prevent kids who want to be a busiiness owner one day from wasting their time working towards an African Studies major.
July 12th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
This is not to say that this wouldn’t be a worthwhile class. Same with womens studies or asian studies etc. Just trying to make a point that as majors they have very few career options associated with them compared to something like accounting or computer science etc.
July 12th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
I obviously didn’t major in English or typing
July 12th, 2011 at 5:28 PM
Jeter doesn’t have the range he used to so he’ll only be able to kick in $6,500.00. LOL