As Many as Five Rookie QBs Could Start On Football’s Opening Weekend, and Colin Kaepernick Might Post the Best Statistics
With the news of Kerry Collins’ retirement (plus the anticipated release of Vince Young), Jake Locker becomes the likely starter for the Tennessee Titans unless they sign someone like Matt Hasselbeck in free agency. Locker’s not alone. Cam Newton should start in Carolina. Christian Ponder has a decent chance to start in Minnesota. If Carson Palmer carries through on his retirement threat, or is traded, Andy Dalton will start in Cincinnati. Jim Harbaugh just came out and said that Colin Kaepernick has a decent chance to be the starter in San Francisco.
Those are just the situations where a rookie starting a majority of the games appears likely based on circumstances now. Blaine Gabbert could move into the lineup if he impresses and beats out David Garrard in Jacksonville, or the team gets off to a slow start. Injuries or ineffectiveness of a starter somewhere else could open the door for a later round pick (Ed. TJ Yates in Houston?).
The record for most rookies to start at least half the season’s games was back in 1971, when Jim Plunkett, Archie Manning, Dan Pastorini and Scott Hunter all played extensively, and in 2006, when Leinart and Young both started, and Andrew Walter and Bruce Gradkowski both got chances because of injury. Depending on how the camps and roster moves evolve, that could be broken this year.
So, I thought I would take a look at how rookie quarterbacks affect a passing offense. We know that they tend to struggle, but teams that go to rookie quarterbacks were generally not good anyway, so part of those struggles are related to the lack of talent on offense. Later, I will discuss specific seasons and rank the “best” rookie years in terms of how much the offense improved compared to how the team did the previous year. Today, I’ll discuss the overall effect.
I looked at all rookie seasons since 1970 that involved guys straight out of college (so I’m excluding “rookie” years where a player had no prior experience but had either been out of college on a practice squad or played in a different league, like the CFL or Arena League). There were 60 different seasons where a rookie started at least half the games. Four of them involved expansion teams (Carr with Houston, Couch with Cleveland, Collins with Carolina and Zorn with Seattle). I compared the ANYA+ (league-normalized Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt) for the rookie versus the same score for the previous year’s leading starter, and then looked at the differences.
| Rookie | Previous Starter | Difference | |||||
| 1st round | 89.0 | 90.1 | -1.1 | ||||
| 2nd & 3rd round | 85.5 | 91.1 | -5.6 | ||||
| 4th round or lower | 88.2 | 95.5 | -7.3 | ||||
Did the rookies struggle as a group? Sure. An ANYA+ score of 100 is league average, and we see that these rookies were below average. However, for first round rookies, they weren’t appreciably different from their predecessors in year one. Individual results varied greatly, but as a group, the passing games involving first round rookie starters weren’t much worse than the year before.
As draft position increases, we see that the drop off becomes more severe, and these are more likely to be situations where a rookie was pressed into action due to injury. One of my criticism of Malcolm Gladwell’s position on quarterbacks is that he assumes late round quarterbacks are just as successful as early picks, because he only looks at those late round picks chosen to play. The bad ones are weeded out more frequently without ever taking a snap, when scouting agrees with what the teams see in practice and preseason.
Here, we see that while later round picks (those drafted in round four or later) who start as rookies put up similar numbers to first rounders (88.2 vs. 89.0 ANYA+), they also tended to play for teams that had been better offensively the year before, and thus had a bigger dropoff when they were inserted.
What does this mean for 2011? Well, the five teams most likely to have a rookie starter were below average in passing in 2010. The lockout has set the rookies back, but it has also probably prevented teams from pursuing other options. They are likely to struggle as a group, but that’s partially because they are playing on bad offensive teams. I expect Cam Newton to improve Carolina, while still putting up a below average yards per attempt–that team was just so bad offensively with Clausen that there is nowhere to go but up. I expect Locker to struggle early and for the Titan numbers to decline from what Young/Collins provided, especially if Britt can’t stay off the PacMan career path. I’m not sold on Dalton, and there are so many new parts at receiver, so I could see the Bengals going either way. Ponder will improve the Vikings, but I say that because they were 30th in ANYA. Favre was dreadful last year (can’t believe a team would consider him at one more year older) and the backups were just as bad. I could see Ponder struggling, but the passing numbers still improving from 2010.
The one I think has the biggest potential in 2011 to post above league average numbers is Kaepernick at San Francisco. Alex Smith was inconsistent, but his overall numbers weren’t horrible in 2010, and I think that is partially a reflection of some of the unrefined talent on offense. If Kaepernick wins the job or gets it early in the season, the offensive weapons are there with Vernon Davis and Gore and yes, Michael Crabtree to go with his own mobility and ability to get to the edge, that I could see big play potential in the passing game.
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July 11th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
I still can’t believe the Titans and Vikings picked Locker and Ponder. Thaaaaaaaanks.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
Glad you’re here.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
I would like to see Hasselbeck or Palmer in MN for at least the first year of this Ponder experiment.
/Don’t think Ponder is going to be very good.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
Not happy about this if I’m a Titans fan.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
love kaepernick…he’s got some mechanical issues to fix tho, based on what i heard during the draft.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
neither would carson palmer behind that OL…nothing like a statuesque QB just standing there while mckinnine half asses another snap.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
me either, but shit, at this point my damn dog would be better than fucking T-Jack.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
From a technical/fundamental point of view, Kaepernick is a mess. If he starts and the running game is weak, he’ll break the INT record for the first 4 games of any season.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
I just want football at this point. All of the rookie QBs are going to get killed…except Kaepernick.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Greg McElroy in New Jersey?
July 11th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Spencer
So did you expect Kalis to commit to Michigan. That sucks. Hopefully more don’t join him.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Very unlikely. Dog probably couldn’t even grip a football, let alone play at an NFL level.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
So that wasn’t confirmed by you then?
July 11th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
no expected but i knew he was interested in them…it really sucks bad.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
I’m actually glad expectations are so low for Ponder, he’ll be fine. I just hope they’re able to get some OL depth behind Loadholt who was a load of horseass last year. McKinnie’s not getting any younger either.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
At least they got Vrabel. He’s got RIIIIIIINNNNNGS!
July 11th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
maybe, but lets not act like T-Jack ever played at an NFL level either.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Nice Post Lisk.
/obligatory brown nosing before posting an unrelated link
After reading the interview this guy gave, I’d say he sounds like a first class dick.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
fixed*
July 11th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
LOL
July 11th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
July 11th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
Thank you for the guy shooting himself in the leg video in the round-up. That is all.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Yep – “Actually, one time they kicked somebody else off so I could get on there.”
Fuck United Airlines for doing this, too.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
There were 60 different seasons where a rookie started at least half the games. Four of them involved expansion teams (Carr with Houston, Couch with Cleveland, Collins with Carolina and Zorn with Seattle)
This list gave me indigestion.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Here’s my favorite SG:
“Stuker: First-class food just gets same old, same old. I love it, but it just gets boring. We have so many fillets, chicken cooked 126 ways, I used to just sometimes order a kiddie meal or something just to get something different to eat”
July 11th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
When you fly a lot you get the perks. Us peons don’t matter.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
I’m flying United to DC next week for work, and I will be fully entrenched in economy. But it’s still a free flight to me, so fuck it!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Who?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:06 PM
Vikes O-Line blows goats. I’m praying that Ponder doesn’t get Carr’d this year. Hutch fell apart suddenly, Mckinnie doesn’t give a shit and Loadholt is just bad. Ugh
July 11th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
After reading the interview this guy gave, I’d say he sounds like a first class dick.
I didn’t really get that he was a dick from that. I found it ironic that within a sentence of decrying the childish behavior of grown adults on an aircraft he mentioned that he took someone’s USA Today and crumpled it into a ball on the floor. But that’s about it.
If I flew that much, I’d want something out of it too.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
How many shitty Ponder headline puns have there been in Minny since he was drafted?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
I’m turning you in, weatherman!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
If I flew that much, I’d want something out of it too.
I’m not hating on him for getting perks… but did you read the same thing I did? He came off like a hypocritical entitled douche. Complaining about the repetitiveness of first class food? Really?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
OT
I am grateful for summer so that I may see girls walk down the street in shorts and a bikini top
/end OT
July 11th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
How hard does Ponder have it? He will hand off to AP/Gerhardt/Booker 40 times a game.
//Fuck Childress for fucking up the QB situation.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
OT
I am grateful for summer so that I may see girls walk down the street in shorts and a bikini top
/end OT
You checked their drivers licenses before ogling, yes?
/PSA
July 11th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
How many shitty Ponder headline puns have there been in Minny since he was drafted?
Probably 6
July 11th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Oh I can usually tell, especially if they are with guys. Seeing the type of guy they are with is a dead giveaway of the age range.
/glad you’re lookin out for me!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
How many shitty Ponder headline puns have there been in Minny since he was drafted?
Probably 6
can always count on starkweather to answer the benign rhetorical questions.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
This crop of rookie QBs is just going to be awful the first few weeks of the season. In fantasy, I might just add and drop defenses based on who these guys play.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:17 PM
/team warm weather
//you cold weather people can go straight to hell
July 11th, 2011 at 3:17 PM
You control this Meme.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
I didn’t really read it like he was complaining, more that he was just stating a fact. I mean seriously, wouldn’t you even get tired of eating the same thing over and over and over? I read it as he was just giving honest answers to questions, to me it didn’t really seem like he was being overly pretentious or rude about anything.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
I’m not hating on him for getting perks… but did you read the same thing I did? He came off like a hypocritical entitled douche. Complaining about the repetitiveness of first class food? Really?
I’m not saying I’d be besties with him or even care to have a conversation on a plane with him (not that I could, I’ve never been in first class), but I guess I just don’t see that he’s a dick. A little entitled maybe, but the man has dropped some serious coin on flights over the years.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
should I have used the word “milfs” or “grown women”? If so, I edit my statement to appease the arizona god.
/fuck this 90 degrees and humid weather
July 11th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
or in your honor, I could say all the old greyhaired retirees in AZ.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
90 degrees? Oh boo hoo. We’re coming up on a month of 100+ degree days. It’s still 95 at 9pm here.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
HE’S FLOWN FOUR MILLION MILES JUST TO AUSTRALIA!!!
that’s 258 trips. just to australia.
i think he’s a pretty damn good authority on repetitive airline food.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Is it dry heat or also extremely humid?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
hey spence, now you and Vrabel can go to a casino and not pay for drinks!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
i think he’s a pretty damn good authority on repetitive airline food.
perhaps he should just buy his own fucking jet so that he can bring whatever food he wants on the plane with him?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
HE’S FLOWN FOUR MILLION MILES JUST TO AUSTRALIA!!!
that’s 258 trips. just to australia.
i think he’s a pretty damn good authority on repetitive airline food.
And flights to Australia are like 18 hours long. Which means you’re going to eat more than once. This guy is probably more of an authority on airline food than the people who make it.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
Women would have worked fine. If you had said Milfs I would have still used that against you. Something along the lines of ‘must have been a real good looking mom for you to look away from her daughter’.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
Is it dry heat or also extremely humid?
34% currently.
However, I grew up in Houston. So I know what 100% humidity feels like in the middle of July.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
how could he eat if he’s flying his own jet? do you even think before opening your mouth? GAWD.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Is it dry heat or also extremely humid?
34% currently.
However, I grew up in Houston. So I know what 100% humidity feels like in the middle of July.
It’s 95 here with 100% humidity right now. Feelt like I put on a wet sweater the second I stepped outside.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
perhaps he should just buy his own fucking jet so that he can bring whatever food he wants on the plane with him?
Your anger seems misplaced here. This guy is a consultant for the automotive industry. He’s not Mark Cuban.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
i hate you. but you are funny.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
He’s a consultant and mostly flying for his job, you think he’s buying a ticket for every single flight he’s taking? Do you even know how much your own jet would cost to operate?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
sounds like perfect golf weather.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
The guy is a worker bee for some consulting firm. Do you honestly think he’s personally paid for more than a small fraction of those miles?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
YYSA bringing it, that’s gold.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Your anger seems misplaced here. This guy is a consultant for the automotive industry. He’s not Mark Cuban
First of all… I’m not angry… and to those of you who don’t think this guy would be the biggest douche/dick at a party, I respectfully disagree. Second of all, I have no idea what 258 trips to Australia costs… but I’m guessing it would be relatively close to the lease payments on a private jet. Isn’t that flight at least 2 grand round trip in coach?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Yea I think that is what it is about here today. Supposed to top out at 102 though. But I still think this is better than 116 and no humidity.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
The guy is a worker bee for some consulting firm. Do you honestly think he’s personally paid for more than a small fraction of those miles?
No… his company can afford it is what I’m saying.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:31 PM
This is proof that the NFL needs to contract 4 teams. The player pool is just awful at the most important position.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Heat index of 109 here in Lexington. At least that’s what everyone is saying. I’m too busy sitting in my living room with my pair of binoculars.
/Rear Window’d
July 11th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
estimates of private jet from chicago to sydney cost.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
You’ve misspelled the word ‘felt’. The proper spelling is ‘felt’.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
or that college football doesn’t produce enough quality pro-style QBs because way too many teams play some form of a spread offense or they are a team that gets by on superior defense and an average offense.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
I expect 2nd year guys like Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow to be just as bad, if not worse.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
no shit, after over 2 feet of rain in April and May, it hasn’t even totaled an inch here in the past month and a half. I tried real hard to talk myself into golfing yesterday, but the 100 degrees mark on my phone told me kept me away.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
a new gulfstream will cost anywhere from $45mm to $70mm…
July 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
No. A private jet is almost never the correct economic decision.
Status symbol only.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
Maybe he’s Dutch.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
This.
I’m excited to see what Kaepernick can do, but don’t think there’s any way he starts this year. That said, I still like him in the 2nd than Locker/Ponder in the first.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
The guy doesn’t really sound like a dick. He just sounds like a guy who has traveled a lot and knows the perks of doing it with one airline.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
First of all… I’m not angry… and to those of you who don’t think this guy would be the biggest douche/dick at a party, I respectfully disagree. Second of all, I have no idea what 258 trips to Australia costs… but I’m guessing it would be relatively close to the lease payments on a private jet. Isn’t that flight at least 2 grand round trip in coach?
Dripping with anger, all these words are. You engager you.
As to the second part: no, probably not. Average costs for a Gulfstream IV (just to be generous and not go with the newest private plane out there which are probably more expensive): $4,300/hour of flight.
Just a quick search on one airline site: I found a round trip from DFW to Brisbane for $10,583. That would be, to err on the side of generosity, almost three hours of Gulfstream IV flight time.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
whoa…
July 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
I dunno who to blame here. Are the kids too stupid to learn a pro-style offense? Is the onus on coaches to put points on the board because their defenses are slow/stupid/inept?
I like the innovation that high school and college offenses provide, but goddamn if they don’t go and ruin the pro game in the process.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
estimates of private jet from chicago to sydney cost.
lol’ing at you guys backing up your argument to my flippant comment. the guy’s a dick. end of story. He should have just said United has been very good to me and I’m very lucky to get do what I do for a living. Not boast about how he’s kicked others off of flights they probably paid for or how he’s treated like a king and gets bored with it.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
a new gulfstream will cost anywhere from $45mm to $70mm…
2. ?
3. Profit
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Just a quick search on one airline site: I found a round trip from DFW to Brisbane for $10,583. That would be, to err on the side of generosity, almost three hours of Gulfstream IV flight time
Christ. You guys do less work at your job than I do. Didn’t know that was possible.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
I love not knowing what this argument is about. Makes it more interesting.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
i was just curious seeing as i’ll never fly privately. shocked at the actual costs.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
See: Oregon and Auburn
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
So, we’ve got a consensus, then.
/TBL’d
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
lol’ing at you guys backing up your argument to my flippant comment. the guy’s a dick. end of story.
I take your facts and I wipe my ass with them. My opinion >>> your facts.
End of story.
/ATL_engager.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IM NOT CAPABLE OF.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
I’ll take 5.
/wicker man’d
July 11th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
I can’t begin to tell you how relieved I am that you’re such a Plebeian.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Christ. You guys do less work at your job than I do. Didn’t know that was possible.
No I did a series of two Google searches which took less than 3 minutes.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
So instead of answering questions asked of him and giving his time, he should have just said one sentence and have been done with it and really acted like a dick. Got it, glad we cleared that up.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
I love not knowing what this argument is about. Makes it more interesting.
Read the article I linked to and ask yourself if you’d like to be friends/and or related with/to that guy. My answer is no. That’s the argument.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
You know what’s not perfect golf weather? -10 below with a foot of snow on the ground.
There’s only one place I’ve found with a happy medium of temperature. That’s San Diego. The rest of us are all getting fucked somehow, somewhere. This is why I choose Team Warm and embrace these 110 degree days. It beats the alternative.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
Pussy.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
oh, just you wait, i’ll get in your precious rich people club soon enough. and when im there, i’m gonna hot box the help’s quarters.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
So instead of answering questions asked of him and giving his time, he should have just said one sentence and have been done with it and really acted like a dick. Got it, glad we cleared that up.
Drew Rosenhaus thinks this is the way to go.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Next question!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
Who wants to get paid to work? More fun being paid to goof off and be unproductive and engage engagers!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
This. Never had to scoop my car out of the heat.
/heat strokes out
July 11th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
Next Question’d
July 11th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
DAMN IT!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Sure. This guy should have definitely blown off his one chance to be profiled by a magazine by giving a two sentence response.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Yeah, I’m having a real motivation problem today. I was drunk 3 times in two days this weekend and haven’t really recovered.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
I’ll suffer through a winter of shoveling snow in exchange for a month straight of 75 degree weather if it means no hurricanes, earthquakes, mudslides, typhoons, etc..
/also, fuck traffic
July 11th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Actually the argument was you saying to read this article and agree with what a dick he was. Then a couple people said he didn’t sound like such a big dick and your engagement signal was lit and all hell broke loose and the Earth stood still and floods and tsunamis ensued while you banged away at your keyboard. lol
July 11th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Ryan Mallett is no genius and he figured it out.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Phoenix has 8 months of this weather. Just have to survive the occasional deadly Haboob.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
nice. I’ll be using that one next time I hear some bitching.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
If it weren’t for the other few months, I’d love Arizona.
/i just need to live somewhere else besides this God forsaken state
July 11th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
/i just need to live somewhere else besides this God forsaken state
probation officer won’t let you cross state lines, eh?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
So… Um, Bulldog. Twitter. Please discuss or point me to discussion.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Where do you live TJ?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
This reminded me of Horrible Bosses because in it Charlie Day continually gets hammered by his friends for being a sex offender.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
I’m on team warm weather, but I don’t mind the seasons…except winter. Winter can suck a big one. Can play golf in NJ/PA from April til November.
/last two winters NJ/PA have had roughly 120+” of snow
//fuck the snow
July 11th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
Maybe they should have been drafted earlier, and would have done better?
/stupid
July 11th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
If I had money and could find a good job somewhere else, I could most likely go through the process of getting permission to leave the state. Having no job and no money at the moment eliminates that possibility at this current time
July 11th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
east of Syracuse, NY. I’m actually just 90 minutes from CRM.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
105 degree heat index yesterday, higher today… summer is the off-season for golf down here.
/shot 89 Saturday
//had a 10 on the last hole
///how did you get a 10 on a straight par 4??
////missed the putt for 9
July 11th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
This reminded me of Horrible Bosses because in it Charlie Day continually gets hammered by his friends for being a sex offender.
I feel bad for the guy, I really do… but he just puts those on a T. It’s hard not to swing away.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
You know, if it wasn’t for the snow/ice, I could probably tolerate the cold much better. I get fucked by that combo at least 10 times a winter though. E-fucking-nough
July 11th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
I’m on team warm weather, but I don’t mind the seasons…except winter. Winter can suck a big one. Can play golf in NJ/PA from April til November.
ATL gets 4 seasons. Only Winter=50′s and 60′s and sunny. If you can put up with a couple of terribly hot and humid weeks in July and August when the sun is still out and you can still enjoy the evenings or pool in the day, it’s a pretty decent climate.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Shot 52-40 on Saturday. 95 when I teed at 7:30am and it was 103 when I finished at 12:00.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
If it weren’t for that damn sun, summers here would kick ass!
/being a jackass today
July 11th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
That’s incredible.
I was running on an hour and fifty minutes of sleep for my tee time on Saturday. Thank God it was a scramble. I contributed one natural birdie on a par 3 and not much else. Had a great time though.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
When I first started playing two years ago, I shot a 15 on a par 5. Thankfully, I’m a little better than that.
/had a few 7s & 8s on par 4/5′s yesterday
//first ever par yesterday on a par 4
///team Taylormade Superburner rescue club
July 11th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
A little entitled maybe, but the man has dropped some serious coin on flights over the years.
i didn’t even get that impression. He was basically saying, I fly a ton, they totally take care of me, and I think its cool.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Snow is cool. Ice is a bitch.
/unless it’s in a glass
July 11th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
/golf clap
Wait until you get a birdie. It seems so easy on TV!
July 11th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Bulldog did one of his random seeming twitter screeds against ATL_Badger. I never saw much of a reaction but it’s been stuck in my head.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
If anyone has any questions about the Tour de France or Formula 1, I’ll be here for the next few minutes.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Stark, I see. You never know when your hour with The Bulldog will arrive. (glances over at clock).
July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
I’ve played golf maybe 5 times in my life. I could drive well and was a below average putter but everything in between was an epic failure
July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
holy shit…10 after shooting 79 for 17 holes? usually the good shots happen on 18, not all the bad shots for your round on 18.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
I’m perfectly fine being a nice 3-4 hour drive away from the snow. I would only willingly live in the snow if I had a kid I could force to shovel that shit for me.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Must have missed that one. Link?
July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Bulldog did one of his random seeming twitter screeds against ATL_Badger. I never saw much of a reaction but it’s been stuck in my head.
Things like this almost make me want to get on Twitter. Almost.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Bulldog did one of his random seeming twitter screeds against ATL_Badger. I never saw much of a reaction but it’s been stuck in my head.
He’s done it before. I find it odd… I came here after he’d left. I’ve had no beef with him. Did he screed against SG too? She was the one who agreed with me.
July 11th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
I almost had an incident today like the one posted about on Saturday. A bunch of cyclists were training along this road between a couple towns. I was driving my dad home from the hospital and one douche wasn’t paying attention and swerved into the lane. Horn honked, guy back onto the side of the road with the rest of his buddies
July 11th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Must have missed that one. Link?
He called me a cum guzzler or some shit a few months ago. Whatever. I think I’m a pretty benign commenter myself. I stay out of ballin for the most part.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I tried watching the recording before bed last night but passed out after 20 laps or so, so going to check it out again tonight and actually pay attention. Was it a good race?
July 11th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I’ve been on a ridiculous streak for par 3′s… one under my last three rounds (2 birdies, 1 bogey). Parred all the par 5′s yesterday… it’s the par 4′s that I just can’t hit in regulation..
July 11th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Good thing Bulldog doesn’t follow me.
It’s pretty enjoyable MS.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Must have missed that one. Link?
Unfortunately, the twitter machine is off limits to my workspace and he’s a very active user of the device so it’s hard to point you to it. He called ATL_Badger Spencer’s fave word. A lot. Didn’t seem to be in reference to any one thing, though, more of a survey type question. That went on for a little while. I think it was Saturday but it might have just been yesterday
July 11th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
The one I got par on I was actually really close to getting it. The putt didn’t break enough (was going right to left), so I had to two putt.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Stark, I see. You never know when your hour with The Bulldog will arrive.
Good thing Bulldog doesn’t follow me.
Whether he follows you or not doesn’t matter. He doesn’t follow me.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Never understood the general hatred some people have for others on the internets.
Except for Kernel Bromes, that guy was a tool
July 11th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Did he screed against SG too?
Not that I noticed. Maybe
July 11th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
I don’t want to spoil anything. So yes. Yes it was. Any race where the teams don’t know whether or not it’s going to rain and have to adjust tire strategies accordingly are always good.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
That went on for a little while. I think it was Saturday but it might have just been yesterday
Oh, this happened over the weekend? What? I didn’t see any mentions. I hadn’t commented since Friday afternoon either.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Do you live in France?
July 11th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Same course I shot 36-50 on a few weeks ago… This time was a draw that drew too much, hit a tree, bounced back near the tee (in the woods). Tried a cut out of there, hit another tree and bounced directly behind a third tree. Chip out to thick rough, hack back to the fairway, and it’s on from there…
I know you should always cut losses and re-tee, but I love to fade/draw around obstacles, it’s the only time I feel like a badass golfer, and I have no common sense.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
“Fuck Bulldog”
/waits
July 11th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
upstate NY
July 11th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Never understood the general hatred some people have for others on the internets
Some people are just angry/unhappy with their lives. I may argue/engage a lot, but I never resort to personal attacks.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Except for Kernel Bromes, that guy was a tool
And he has some major grandfather issues.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
“Fuck Bulldog”
/waits
Nice.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
bulldog’s good people…yall are crazy.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
I’m surprised I don’t take more shit for being such a metro…..
/Team No Undershirt
//high fives Jersey
July 11th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Nice, looking forward to it then. The rooster tails I saw in those first handful of laps were just ridiculous, it’s amazing to think those guys are driving that fast when they can’t see a single thing. And the change from those wet sections to absolute dry pavement were incredible.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
par 3′s eat me up almost every time. not sure why either, because my short irons and wedges are probably the “best” part of my game.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
bulldog’s good people…yall are crazy.
Calling me a cocksucker on twitter? Seems a bit much. I’ve never had any interaction with him whatsoever.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
It’s not as fun when you completely embrace it though.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
that makes one a metro?
/team no undershirt in summer
/team undershirt in winter
July 11th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
On the 5th hold yesterday, was about 180 to the pin with a creek in front and sand in back. Hit two straight shots into the water with a six iron. So pissed, should have played a five or a four.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
And dry pavement kills those intermediate tires. That’s why you see them veer off-line to get them wet again. They need to cool down. We’ll talk after you watch the race.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
now, im not here to judge, but there’s an important question here before we delve into the veracity of his statement…well, are you a cocksucker?
July 11th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
/coop’d
July 11th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Yeah, I remember hearing them mention something about that. Cool, got some good watching tonight with the HR Derby and this race.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
now, im not here to judge, but there’s an important question here before we delve into the veracity of his statement…well, are you a cocksucker?
“Sir, no sir!”
“Bullshit! I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose!”
July 11th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
now, im not here to judge, but there’s an important question here before we delve into the veracity of his statement…well, are you a cocksucker?
Only on the second Monday of odd numbered months ending in “uly”
July 11th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
last few weeks ive been airmailing everything. it’s just as frustrating as leaving it short…
July 11th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Truth.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
so the 2nd monday of july is cockanalia in the ATL_badger household?
July 11th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
But, the course I was playing yesterday was a 132 slope, so I don’t feel too bad.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
link?
July 11th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
so the 2nd monday of july is cockanalia in the ATL_badger household?
bring your glowsticks, brah.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Philly Country Club
July 11th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
damnit! i just used em all at that phish show. you shoulda seen it man…it was SO original. we had a glow stick fight just like at those phish shows in 1999. and those phish shows in 2001. and 2002. and 2003. and 2004…
/fuck phish
July 11th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
cockanalia
/slow claps.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
PINKIES UP, GENTLEMEN.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Spence – I have family that are members, played there a few times. Awesome course, can drive and not be punished too much but you better have an awesome short game.
/has no short game
July 11th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
after hitting the ball as well as i ever have and seeing my scores improve only a little bit, im convinced that you have to have an awesome short game, period.
/also has no short game
//shanks pitch
July 11th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
/has no short game
There’s a Butters/CJ joke here, but I’m too tired to find it.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
shit, that is brutal.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
played one at 152 yesterday…thunder hill in madison, oh. was going great until i started acting like a spoiled bitch when we caught up to an INCREDIBLY slow group that totally fucked up my momentum.
/my fault…need to work on the mental side
July 11th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
ark – every single hole had sand. Every single one. Greens were fast and would change from left to right to right to left after four feet.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
PhillyMantis… you ever play Bella Vista golf course up that way? I played there last time I was in the area, and was a pretty nice course (in a housing development)… shot 78 there from the tips, so I don’t think it was really long, but it had a 135 slope or something so it was a fun challenge.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Let’s stand around 5 minutes before one of us jackasses hits our damn ball.
/It’s the worst on par 3′s, standing around getting cold then needing a good shot
July 11th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
i FUCKING LOVE this shit.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
No, haven’t played that course. Mainly play in central NJ around Mercer, Middlesex and Somerset Cos.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
lets go thru the list, shall we?
1. they sucked at a course that’s easily the hardest in the area…like couldnt get the ball in the air type shitty. at a course that was an old fish hatchery and has water and forced carries EVERYWHERE
2. each took a mulligan off the tee
3. waited for each guy to hit instead of grabbing a club and getting ready
4. being so fucking loud the entire course could hear them
5. they were all fat
6. one wore jean shorts
July 11th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
it’s hard to not let shit like that bother you though, especially if you have a decent round going. I’m back on the no smoking before I play, happens about the same time every year. not sure why (actually I do) but I strike the ball so much better when I am not blazed out of my head.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
christ dude, I bet it took everything you had to not cuss them up and down. that shit sucks. I understand that it is sunday (my dad always said sunday was the day husbands take their wives so don’t ever play sunday) but still.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
yea…having a clear, focused head helps big time. it’s no wonder my best rounds ever have been when i played with my mother and didn’t smoke or chew before/during the round…just cuz you’re not THAT baked doesn’t mean it’s still not killing your balance and shit.
i gotta get on this train, lawya.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
i would’ve had no problem saying something to them, but they didn’t give us the chance. every time we pulled up to their tee box, they were just leaving or we were playing the back tees with a bridge/creek/carry in between us. it wasn’t til 18 that we actually caught up to them and one of em gave the ol “tough day out there.”
July 11th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Hell no.
Vanderbilt Legends club lets us have privileges ($45 a round with cart) and I need to get there. 73.3/135 or so, and measures 7100 plus.
Also have played here once in Indy (not from the backs). It is brutal. 7300/76.1/137 from the back tees. The “Purgatory” tees are 7800 yards 78.1/142. It’s a bitch for sure.
http://www.purgatorygolf.com/images/SC2003outside.gif
/yes that’s a 78.1 rating
July 11th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
WWS…ive heard of purgatory. is that the one with the par 6 or is that the international in massachussets? but purgatory has a fucking reputation of being a total asskicker for sure…i’ll have to make a trip.
here’s a link to my old golf blog about that thunder hill place. 7,500/78.5/152…so much fun.
July 11th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
$18? sonofabitch.
/guess I know my detour on my Pittsburgh trip next year