Bill Simmons Explains Why You’re Not A Movie Star Until You’ve Filmed Your Zookeeper
Bill Simmons’ latest piece on Grantland looks at Ryan Reynolds, Will Smith and the state of the “movie star” in Hollywood. For the most part, I liked it. He brings up some good points about the state of the movie star and what that means in terms of good actors making actual, good movies. I can get behind that.
However, while Simmons wants to bash the statistics crowd, he also wants to quantify abstract concepts like humor and music. In it, he gives you his list of 24 movie stars with absolutely no parameters.
Smith and Leo; Depp and Cruise; Clooney, Damon and Pitt; Downey and Bale; Hanks and Denzel; Stiller and Sandler; Crowe and Bridges; Carell, Rogen, Ferrell and Galafianakis; Wahlberg and Affleck; Gyllenhall (it kills me to put him on here, but there’s just no way to avoid it); Justin Timberlake (who became a movie star simply by being so famous that he brainwashed us); and amazingly, Kevin James.
Amazing is a really good word choice at that point because it is amazing that anyone would put Kevin James on that list of actors. Simmons argument for Kevin James is that he was… No. I’m not going to paraphrase. It wouldn’t do it justice.
I took my daughter to see Super 8 last week … they showed a preview for The Zoo Keeper and she laughed her ass off for three minutes, then said, “I want to see that one!” That’s when the Kevin James Era finally made sense for me
Bill Simmons daughter is 6 years old. His 6 year old daughter laughed at a video full of talking animals. Therefor, Kevin James, who stars alongside the talking animals, is a big star. Shit. He even has an ERA. Why Kevin James is downright Jurassic!
Just because a child laughs at something stupid doesn’t mean anything except that kids laugh at stupid things. Basically, what Simmons says here is that if Ryan Reynolds made a shitty talking-animal film, he would be a movie star.
*sigh*
[Footnote! I could also nitpick about the inclusion of Zach Galifianakis and Justin Timberlake. What has Galifianakis headlined? G-Force? It's Kind of a Funny Story? And that's not a knock on him. I find everything he does funny and enjoy his roles. As for Timberlake - one of the two best SNL hosts going along with Alec Baldwin. I am a huge Timberlake fan. Social Network, Alpha Dog, Bad Teacher... he wasn't the star of any of them. You want to put him on the list to make an even 24 because he voiced Boo Boo? Whatever bro.]
There is no set number of movie stars. The entertainment industry is not like the sporting world where there are a certain number of jobs available. Each film does not have a specific number of roster spots that must be filled.
I don’t want to get into the stupid claims of sexism and the misogynous attitude at Grantland because I think that’s mostly bullshit. It’s a sports website. It’s mostly going to be men talking about men playing sports. You’re going to see a lot more “he” and “him” than “she” and “her.” If you’re writing about Game 6 of the NBA Finals, you’re not going to find much reason to mention a woman seeing as how twenty or so men and no women were involved in the game. You’re telling me masculine pronouns are really big on the word cloud? No shit.
However, to plainly say “movie star” and try to shoehorn Paul fucking Blart into your argument before even mentioning Angelina Jolie, Cameron Diaz, Julia Roberts, Ann Hathaway or Natalie Portman? You’ve got to be shitting me.
Simmons at least mentions Jeremy Renner, Josh Brolin, James Franco, Jesse Eisenberg and Paul Rudd. Of course, that’s to point out that they are not movie stars. For fun, here are some of the notable people that Simmons doesn’t consider movie stars:
Clive Owen, Jamie Foxx, Collin Ferrell, Eddie Murphy, Daniel Craig, Nicolas Cage, Keanu Reeves, Vince Vaughn, Ed Norton, Orlando Bloom, Liam Neison, Sean Penn, Hugh Jackman, Viggo Mortensen, Daniel Day-Lewis, Kevin Spacey, Morgan Freeman, Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Alec Baldwin, Harrison Ford, Samuel L. Jackson, Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Ricky Gervais, Adrien Brody, Kevin Bacon, Tommy Lee Jones, and Joaquin Phoenix.
It took me about 10 minutes of looking through my movie collection and browsing a couple lists on IMDB to come up with those names. I’m not going to pretend that is a definitive list. Feel free to point out anyone I’ve missed. I won’t even mention guys like The Rock, Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Robert Pattinson, Shia LaBeouf and Zac Efron. Even though if someone asked if they were movie stars you would say, “Yes,” in a second. I mean, what else are they? Actors?
I would think that the simplest definition of “movie star” would be “a person who stars in movies.” I’m fairly certain everyone mentioned in this post is “a person who stars in movies.”
Sure, there are varying degrees of movie stardom. I’m not arguing that Zac Efron is on the same level as George Clooney. I’m saying its stupid to try and count the number of movie stars based on which ones make a six-year-old giggle. Other than that, it was a solid print ‘n poo.

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June 30th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
The hater CRM’s trying out for Grantland.
/Duffy & Hernia’d
June 30th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
so now CoRM is dissing on Grantland? Wasn’t it just yesterday that TBL was sure this site wasn’t a cliquey bitch in the sea of cliquey bitches that make up the internet?
I dont’ care, honestly, but let’s make up our mind. Don’t scold everybody else for taking Grantland to task (and thereby get those Grantland based googly clicks) and then do some grantlanding of your own the next day.
Grantlanding = grandstanding about Grantland, copyright me, just then
June 30th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
No Michael Cera?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
I’m just chuckling about TBL being snippy on twitter when someone told him the honest truth that his Nene column today was hot garbage
June 30th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
“This I Promise You” makes for a great slow dance.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
CRM putting a Lisk-like post in terms of word count, that’s a long read!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
But it really was
June 30th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
/nods
June 30th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Those of you on twitter should be following gruntland33. As an example regarding this article:
“boy, it kind of funny that main column on gruntland today about perceived and not real success, no? hope nobody catch irony”
Genius.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Will Smiff is the greatest dahhkie movie stahhh this side or the othah(1).
(1)- That is a quote from the best heist movie of ouah time
June 30th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Where does this leave Brendan Fraser?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
I go if Simmons has a new sports column. Skimmed this one. Have no interest in anything else on the site. Not sure that many people really do. It’s the first time I’ve thought maybe the site won’t work.
People will always read Simmons new stuff. Not sure he has enough star power to drag anyone the other Klosterfuck of other articles.
/see what I did there?
//beams
June 30th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
movie star.
/furry vengeance’d
//assuming animals talked in that shitty flick
June 30th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
I’m just chuckling about TBL being snippy on twitter when someone told him the honest truth that his Nene column today was hot garbage
I decided to get in on that. The guy doesn’t engage in the comments any more. It’s not public enough.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Amazingly and coincidentally, there are 24 movie stars, or the same number as on an NBA all-star team.
/coincidence’d
June 30th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
I dug Simmons’ column even though I kinda disagreed with it.
And the whole “movie star” title is kind of silly. At what point is EVERYONE who acts in films a “movie star”? This is kind of like calling everyone who acts in adult films “porn stars”.
Love this. I was fascinated to see how thin skinned the numbers cognoscenti got over that Jonah Lehrer column.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
“Girlfriend” and “Crazy” >>>>> “This I Promise You”
June 30th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Yeah I tore him up on the comments because he refuses to talk to me on twitter.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Lively’s cans look great in that picture.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Yeah I tore him up on the comments because he refuses to talk to me on twitter.
worst case, I go back into a timeout, and can finally start my insect blog back up.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
I have to agree with CRM. Steve Zahn lives around Lexington, as does Johnny Depp (and Clooney used to visit here all the time). Both are thought of as “stars” because they’re in movies, even though no one would ever compare Steve Zahn to Johnny Depp. Also Simmon’s friend sounds like a massive douche. Shocking.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
we’re just the dinner party that stays at home and raises the kids while he goes out and drinks with all the other dinner parties.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
That was a stupid article on many levels.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
His stuff on Will Smith not taking any risky roles is kind of bull imo. Seven Pounds and Pursuit of happyness not really tent pole movies.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
He took a 6 year old to Super 8? That seems inappropriate.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Whatchu you know about “I Want You Back”, son?!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
I’d rather listen to “Here I Go Again”
In fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdoP8wHUJw
June 30th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
haha, well said
June 30th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
my dad took me to see hellraiser 3: hell on earth when i was 8. THAT was inappropriate.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
First, what’s a tent pole movie? Second, what do you consider I Am Legend? I thought it was a good movie, but I wanna figure out what this tent pole stuff is.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
When I read that article, I was thinking to myself, “doesn’t hollywood putting Reynolds in starring roles make him a star?” So in essence, doesn’t hollywood decide the stars, and not us?
/meta’d
June 30th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Timberlake isn’t a bad actor, btw. I hate to say it (because I grew up hating the guy) but he was fantastic in The Social Network.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Six Degrees of Separation was as ballsy at it gets, and it ended up giving him his entire career.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
I don’t understand his argument for what makes a real “movie star” in his opinion…experimentation?
And why did he place the crazy guy from the Hangover as a bankable “star” in Hollywood?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
I thought it was someone being serious I almost had to smack around, but turns out that Hernia said it.
/TSH reaches the 1,000 straight sarcastic comments mark
//ribbons, balloons
June 30th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
im holding out hope that timberlake will make a good golf movie seeing as he has a nice swing.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Not sure this is Duckworth’s, but why does TBL consider the Hickson-Casspi deal “puzzling”?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Am I the only one that doesn’t have debates with friends over who is and who isn’t a “movie star”? Simmons makes it sound like that’s what all guys do. And obviously the wimin folk talk about hair, makeup, and all that shit.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
He’s phenomenal in Treme. Very surprising.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Sometimes they give up too early (Benicio Del Toro), too late (Rob Schnieder), just right (Matt LeBlanc) or never ending (Gerard Butler). It basically is dictated by some Q Rating and if people will see them in a movie. However they still keep pushing Cameron Diaz as a sex symbol.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
7 year old me got to see Demolition man with the pops.
/first sight of boobs!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
It never really feels like he’s playing a character though. The only musician I took somewhat seriously as an actor was Tupac.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
I thought Bedazzled was hilarious.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
I feel like this wasn’t thought through.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
i talk about mountains of retarded shit…some more retarded, some less retarded. but im not one to throw stones.
/throws stones at european golfers
June 30th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Not sure this is Duckworth’s, but why does TBL consider the Hickson-Casspi deal “puzzling”?
because he didn’t read Rusty’s explanation of what a garbage throw in the “1st round draft choice” was, and how easily it reduced to a 2nd rounder after only a scant few years of being closely guarded.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
what’s a tent pole movie?
A big budget, heavily marketed studio movie intended to make enough money to carry said studio’s bottom line for a year through box office and merchandise sales
June 30th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Lizzy Caplan would get it.
/thought popped in while I flipped through this.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Liz Hurley FTW!
/nods at SC
June 30th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
And obviously the wimin folk talk about hair, makeup, and all that shit.
Mostly, though, women be shoppin. We can all agree on that
June 30th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
I thought With Honors was good because Monty worked hard on his paper.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Hollywood goes thru phases of pushing leading actors and actresses trying to convince to they’re bigger than they really are. Remember a few years ago when Josh Lucas was in everything? Didn’t really stick. Now they’re doing it with Reynolds.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Not sure this is Duckworth’s, but why does TBL consider the Hickson-Casspi deal “puzzling”?
‘Cause if Cleveland traded Baron Davis and Antawn Jamison, THEY COULD SIGN NENE!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
One of my friends is a huge movie buff…the only thing that comes up is what’s a good movie and what isn’t, and over/underratedness. I’ve always assumed guys like Ryan Reynolds and Will Smith are “stars” because they get the leading roles consistently.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
I liked it too.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
Where does this leave Brendan Fraser?
The best cameo in Kids In The Hall’s Brain Candy
June 30th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
Encino man!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
/TJ/
Probably duckworth’d days ago, but this is a great story. Colorado State FTW
/end TJ/
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Best Braendan Fraser movie is Airheads. The Mummy wasn’t bad either.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Seven Pounds was horrible.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Seriously, was that really worth a fucking two page column?
/ stick to sports
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Yes. Make a motherfucking album, JT!!! I need more of this.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Ah, those soulful Ivy leaguers…..
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Hopefully after this Transformers trilogy is over Shia TheBeef doesn’t stick either
June 30th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
encino man.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
I always want to an an H after the C in her last name. damnit
June 30th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
/stomps on Spencer’s Creed albums
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
The fucking Germans are so good at fucking soccer. And even better at soccer celebrations.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
School Ties.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Seriously, was that really worth a fucking two page column?
/ stick to sports
you want the Boston Red Sox hurled into your face right now? I’d rather read this than a Red Sox article by Bill Simmons.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Also, TBL may be under the false assumption that Hickson is not terrible.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
+20 One of my favorite JT songs.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
hopefully all those Disney people go away. Even Selena.
/Sanders will kill me
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
I think Simmons is talking about guys that can basically carry a film all by themselves. Will Smith can, Ryan Reynolds can’t. And I think he’s right about Kevin James, Mall Cop came out in January and made $150MM. Zookeeper will probably double that.
Don’t agree about Galifinakis though.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
It’s nice to see that the USA defense is just as good at the U17 level
June 30th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Tent pole movies are the films studios put out that are supposed to rake in the most cash. They are the films that are put out in the Summer, around holidays and what not. They are the ‘blockbusters’
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
Nope, this one right here.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
“Makes Me Ill” is my go to N’Sync song. Every time.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
These are my two favorite comments of the day.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
Also, TBL may be under the false assumption that Hickson is not terrible.
he saw maybe one Cavs game this season, the first one against Miami. That’s all I saw, too.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
His Futuristic Lovesex (is that the name?) album is untouchable though. Almost every song on that album was a classic.
/ plays “Lovestoned”
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
There’s a Brendon Fraser movie where he comes out from a bomb shelter for the first time in forty+ years, bumps into a black woman and screams “Wow! A Negro!”. That’s the only thing I remember, because I was too busy laughing my ass off at the thought of someone actually doing that now.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
My dad used to take me to see good stuff all the time. Robocop, Alien 3, Schwartezenger movies.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
I will never not laugh at this scene. It’s like the perfect combination of sports cliches and profuse sweating.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
This plus
this equals not too shocking. But still very disheartening. The U17 team is getting paid back for their loss to Uzbekistan by having to face these Germans instead of Uruguay.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Blast From The Past
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
by who?
I like to think of it as mushroomhead’s cover of the Seal song, but i doubt we’re talking about the same one.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
I believe that is called pleasentville
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
FutureSex/LoveSounds, I believe
/Plays Summer Love
//nods at Jersey
///no homo
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
FutureSex/LoveSounds, I believe
/Plays Summer Love
//nods at Jersey
///no homo
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
COWARRRRRRRRRRRRRDS!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Definitely Encino Man.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Harold Reynolds getting destroyed > Ryan Reynolds
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
JT and Timbaland are magic together. Love them separately and together.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Just realized I sound like a 15 year old girl.
/ lights self on fire
// Simmons’d
June 30th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
gets the nod for the christopher walken co-star
June 30th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
I swear to God, I’m not fucking retarded. I have no idea why I lead the league in double posts.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
“No Strings Attached”
June 30th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
Alicia Silverstone.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
jck49erfan and Jersey are sooooooooooo homo.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
I see Steven Van Zandt more as Silvio Dante than Steven Van Zandt.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
We aint winning a World Cup in our lifetimes
June 30th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Gazongas!
June 30th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Tearin up my heart.
/ had an older sister who was into the boyband phase
June 30th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Yet the fact they love JT makes girls want to bang them way more than you.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
“Girlfriend” – Nelly version for me.
Also I’m really liking The Weeknd. Shoulda gave him more of a chance initially, good look.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Fuck Aramis Ramirez
June 30th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Alicia Silverstone.
blast from the past was about the end of the line for her. And for Dave Foley’s career as anything at all.
That may have also been the movie where I decided I hated Christopher Walken, and never wanted to see him in anything else, ever.
Pleasantville had Reese Witherspoon and Tobey Mcguire (and Don Knotts)
June 30th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
The only musician I took somewhat seriously as an actor was Tupac.
Steve Earle is pretty good in The Wire
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Its hard to hate on JT since he got with Timbaland.
Best thing he ever did was leaving that pop shit behind.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
/high fives SG
//sends her new kitty
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
He was also good in that movie where they hold a kid hostage. Also had the guy from into the wild in it. Can’t think of the name of it.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
We aint winning a World Cup in our lifetimes
but we don’t need better athletes. We need more skilled players.
/ty duffy
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Fuck your closer who is on my TV far too much as it is.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
You know who’s NOT a leading man. Tobey McGuire.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
For CRM
June 30th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
The one about the suburban kids who try to act hard? He was a weed dealer right? That was a decent movie….Alpha something…
June 30th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
I was refering to the double “No Homo” comment. But yea, god forbid I joke about JT.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
In your eye Harley, in your eye!
/Treme’d
June 30th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
I loved everything about that album. LoveStoned, SummerLove & My Love were my shit.
/Love
June 30th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Alpha Dog. Someone mentioned it a few comments ago.
/wishes people watched my Bedazzled clip
June 30th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Well, at least I know my other team, Germany, will continue to be good.
/pulls out Germany jersey, gets warmed up for Euro ’12
June 30th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
You sir are incorrigible
June 30th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
How cute, SG is defending her boys.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
he looked out of place in Brothers
June 30th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Alpha Dogs? Never seen it but I’m pretty sure it’s that.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
envy was surprisingly funny for him as terrible as a movie that is.
Scotland, PA is great though.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
POW! Right in the kisser.
/high fives SG
//180 high fives Jck49er
///adjusts Jck49er’s cravat
////gives him the wink and the gun.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
/wishes people watched my Bedazzled clip
that movie sucked, despite the glory that was Liz Hurley.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Not even in Catch Me If You Can?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Not from the album, but Carry Out with Timbo and him is a good song too.
/ Timbaland should not sing or rap
June 30th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
By movie star I think Simmons meant stars who could “open a movie”…Clive Owen, Jamie Foxx, Collin Ferrell, Eddie Murphy, Daniel Craig, Nicolas Cage, Keanu Reeves, Vince Vaughn, Ed Norton, Orlando Bloom, Liam Neison, Sean Penn, Hugh Jackman, Viggo Mortensen, Daniel Day-Lewis, Kevin Spacey, Morgan Freeman, Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Alec Baldwin, Harrison Ford, Samuel L. Jackson, Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Ricky Gervais, Adrien Brody, Kevin Bacon, Tommy Lee Jones, and Joaquin Phoenix…most these guys can’t “open a movie”
open a movie = better chance of guaranteeing box-office success simply by showing up in a movie
June 30th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
I TOLD YOU! I TOOOOOOLLLLDDD YOU!!!!! I really hope you listened to their version of Trust Issues. Fucking fire. Easily my favorite R&B artist right now. And I don’t even know or who care who is number 2.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
Lets throw in Topher Grace as well.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
/pulls out Germany jersey, gets warmed up for Euro ’12
worst case, they lose in the finals. That’s an easy bandwagon to jump on, because it just keeps moving along.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
he stuck it up his ass
June 30th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
June 30th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Timbaland & Magoo set VA rap back a decade until the Clipse came along…whoever thought that’d be a good idea?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
I might have to start taking hostages or bribe movie critics to get them back in a studio.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
You’re not even a Cubs fan, stay out of this.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Last I checked Jack Nicholson is still alive… and I think being the oldest living legend movie star gets him an all time pass on this list. Simmons is great and all, but he got narrow minded here to make a point.
/loved the ryan reynolds alex smith comparison
//f*ck the niners even if there is no football
June 30th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Fuck you, bitch.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
No one reads the posts.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Didn’t he play Eddie Brock/Venom in one of the Spiderman movies?
Eddie Brock (comics) weighs about 200 lbs more than Topher Grace.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Timbaland & Magoo set VA rap back a decade until the Clipse came along…whoever thought that’d be a good idea?
What are your feelings on Danja Mowf?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
In a perfect world, The Cubs and Yankees would battle in the World Series
June 30th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Keep your head up, GSG. I’m sure there are anonymous internet girls on other sports blogs that would bang you too.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
A whole column about a Bill Simmons column about movie stars. Wow.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Not even in Catch Me If You Can?
The list of Christopher Walken movies where I liked him is pretty short, at least of those I can remember. Deer Hunter, King of New York, True Romance and Pulp Fiction. Oh, and Nick of Time. If there’s more, they dont’ immediately spring to mind.
Mostly though, I have hated him.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
There only thing there is not to love about the Germans is that they aren’t as naturally gifted as the Spaniards and the Argentinians. Easily the second club to root for in ’14
June 30th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Who the fuck is this noob?
/hates Alex Smith comparison
//because it’s true
June 30th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Where ya goin’ tuh-day Frank? Some place exotic?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Speaking of which, I was listening to “When’s The Last Time?” by Clipse & Pharell the other day. Classic.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Fire. I mean, I like Drake a lot as a rapper, and he can do the singing thing alright, but every time a true vocalist hops on one of his songs it makes me think 40 needs to seriously focus on producing for R&B artists.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Myself and other white girls loved Timbo and Magoo. Especially this song.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
You’re a month late. TBL.com has been balls deep in Grantland.com
June 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
no love for brendan frasier in monkeybone?
June 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
The scene between him and Dennis Hopper is one of the best exchanges ever.
June 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
We can only hope I can win some random girls approval one day….one day…
June 30th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
My brother took me to see Jaws when I was 5.
/1975′d
June 30th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
I thought you were a huge Simmons fan boy?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
While I’m always glad to see a rich Jewish kid from Toronto make something of himself, I still don’t get the love for Drake
June 30th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
The German team is more exciting nowadays, but their methodical grind it out play used to be so painful to watch.
/still remembers the quarterfinals in 2002
June 30th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
I fucking hate Missy Elliot.
/ wack
June 30th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
40 can do whatever the fuck he likes at this point. Dude makes a lot of artists lives very easy.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
Not sure about that, but he does have a Conan O’Brien doll.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
Ahem, I’m just a fan. It just seems strange that this would be a post.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Can’t wait for the Euros, looking forward to it
/pulls out Spain jersey
//kisses crest
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
It was weird that they just silently killed him off, but I guess it worked better for the plot. I can just picture saying to a producer “yea, I’m done. Thanks.”
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Ballz made his mark here when he confessed to crying during Conan’s final show on NBC.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
To be fair, it was a pretty bad column.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
I would be perfectly content if Christopher Walken played out the rest of his life doing stuff like this.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
In the column he says you might have been a movie star at one time, but that doesn’t mean you are now.
RE: Walken, ever see Prophecy? It’s one of my favorite performances from him.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
I mean, I’m assuming a Tour de France preview is in the works.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
Ballz made his mark here when he confessed to crying during Conan’s final show on NBC.
He really made his mark on Vlad, though. And vice versa
June 30th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
It just seems strange that this would be a post.
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/category/bill-simmons/
Does it really?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
He should get more attention than he does. I know he and Skillz do a lotta ghostwriting though.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
You couldn’t find a bigger detractor than me a couple years ago. But a.) the boy puts out a lot of music and b.) He isn’t a typical rapper. He’s a metaphor hoe for sure, but he is extremely talented. But he definitely, and self-admittedly, owes a lot of his fame to his best friend and primary producer, 40.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
Ballz and I also had a two hour Simpsons quote-athon. It was a very slow TBLAD indeed. Fun though.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
You need to calm the fuck down with that.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
+
June 30th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
worst case, they lose in the finals. That’s an easy bandwagon to jump on, because it just keeps moving along.
My heritage is Welsh/German/Cherokee. Cherokee’s got Oklahoma, sort of, and I sure can’t root for the Welsh, that would be as depressing as being a Royals fans. German family name is Fishbach, maternal grandmother’s came over from German portion of Alsace-Lorraine region before WWI.
Going back to 1990, I root for two teams: 1) Germany, and 2) whoever is playing Italy
June 30th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
apparently Simmons doesn’t remember The Departed, or the fact the trailer was pretty awesomely done with the shilloutte or Nicholson walking across the screen with his voiceover. that’s a pretty good indication of being a star, when that alone can get people to see a movie.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
I wrote the TBL wikipedia article before Conan’s last show. And it’s not like I was bawling. And as for this:
I just happened to be in the room when vlad started to drunkenly flirt with whoever was in earshot.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
So. Where’s the soul. You know. Bigger than a breadbox.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
I just hope Dortmund has some of these little German bastards in the pipeline.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
I liked that too, can’t lie. All because of the beat and Magoo’s voice.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
I don’t even hate him, Jersey, he’s just kind of boring. And Jose, I had no idea that Danja Mowf was still in the game at all. I believe Skillz ghost wrote a Shaquille O’Neal album or two, so that hurts. I also think it’s time to retire the Rap Up. Ah, well, didn’t Drake get signed by Lil Wayne so he’d shut up about ghostwriting for him?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
Walken was fantastic in “The Dead Zone”. I can still see him screaming “THE ICE……………………….IS GONNA BREAK!”
June 30th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
Long time, first time. I think I signed up because I wanted to comment about how stupid duffy’s column was (obviously the economic incentives of the 4 major professional leagues located in North America siphons away potential soccer talent) but I got busy at work and never posted there.
When I saw Jack Nicholson had been totally absent from this discussion I decided to speak my mind. And I will always take any chance to blow up the Niners in a related posting. Nothing personal, I just went to college with a bunch of guys who sang about their one for the thumb.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
I don’t recall seeing a trailer that got me that juiced up to see a movie.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
Haha. I was trying to remember who the other guy was.
RIP TBLAD
June 30th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
Being from Toronto, I heard SOME of his stuff before he blew up, but yeah, he’s an unconventional rapper, and that’s his appeal. The love for the dude here is off the charts though. I’m glad to see a hometown guy take the top spot in such a competitive genre.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
That was after a Dodger-Cardinals playoff game. It started with Troy McClure movie titles. Seems like a lifetime ago……
/The Revenge of Abe Lincoln
June 30th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
Ozil and Khedira are going to recruit them to Madrid.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
Where’s Richard Dreyfuss on this list?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
That movie was carried by Damon and Leo, though, not Nicholson. Nicholson’s involvement was more of a novelty, but Damon and Leo as leads gave it credibility.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
/pulls up a chair for the new guy
June 30th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
Going back to 1990, I root for two teams: 1) Germany, and 2) whoever is playing Italy
i was in trouble in 08 and in 10 because I was rooting for Spain the whole time in both tourneys (liked them better, monkey off the back, all that) and my wife’s whole dumb German family was all germany all the time.
But yeah, I root for Italy’s team bus to crash.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
I thought Dreyfus “retired?”
June 30th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
RE: Walken, ever see Prophecy? It’s one of my favorite performances from him.
have not seen that.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
/Alice’s Adventure through the Windshield Glass
June 30th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
He’s introspective and relatable. Gangsta rap has declined and emo-rap is on the rise. Though some of his songs can be generic at times and some lines corny, he is smart and has talent.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
He was paid about a million dollars to die wordlessly in Piranha 3-D, I was told.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
My first enemy at TBL…..
/sarcasm font’d
Just tell me you aren’t a Cowboys fan and we can agree to disagree about the Niners
June 30th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
Walken was fantastic in “The Dead Zone”. I can still see him screaming “THE ICE……………………….IS GONNA BREAK!”
The opening scene of that where he’s reading The Raven is possibly the best scene in any movie ever. Right up there with Charlton Heston deeply tanned (because he was supposed to be Mexican) cooing “Suuzie” to his wife in A Touch of Evil
June 30th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
That’s a bold move, and I like it.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
I’m just sayyyyyin, you could doooo better….
/ Tupac rolls over in his vacation spot
June 30th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
Where’s Michael Caine on this list?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
/kicks chair out from under Big_Oil
//sharpens knife
///glares at Gerard
June 30th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
/Calling All Quakers
June 30th, 2011 at 5:13 PM
No he was singing the song from Jaws. They were trying to make it seem like he was still Matt Hooper. I do recommend seeing that movie. Gazongas.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:13 PM
I was just about to say the same thing. Still not sure what the hell happened.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
I’d laugh if Chandler came to Toronto, leaving championship contention behind.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
really? not one? ever?
and if you are in a film with as many big names as that one and you’re still getting top billing…that means you’re a star.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
Took the words right out of my fingertips.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
/truth
//puuuuuhlease don’t let me read anyone else compare Jack to Walken. I love me some cowbell, but Jack is truly one of the greats. He might sell out for a quick buck now and then, “Something’s Gotta Give, but the Departed is a great example that he is still an All Star. Using Simmons NBA All Star metaphor, Jack would get the votes to be the starter every year still. Kinda like Iverson a few years back… except not at all because Jack would deserve it.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Most flocked to Twitter.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Some men don’t want to be on lists…..Some men just go about acting and want to see the world burn.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
TST and JPQ getting sent to the gulag certainly didn’t help.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
The tone of this site has changed, and people move on.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
Free TST and JPQ
June 30th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
Still not sure what the hell happened.
same thing that happened to about half of the roundup every morning. A lot of good chatty dudes either got kicked off here or got tired of being here. A lot of guys took their talents to twitter, where they just harass pseudo-celebs, and link to shit, all the while being polite and respectful to their ex-TBLAD mates.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
/The Erotic Adventures of Hercules
June 30th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
Dial M for Murderousnous
Deniro was suppose to have Martin Sheen’s role, but was committed in another film.
/Truth
//Holy shit actors in that film
June 30th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
I think it says a lot that Irish went from being friendly with TBL to now being considered a bum. I still dont know how that happened. Was it the Howard trade posts?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
No he was singing the song from Jaws.
“I wanna go home” on the Orca.
/i’ll never wear a life jacket again
June 30th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
Hey, I was game last night. I drank almost an entire bottle of Rye. I think Hockey killed TBLAD. Hockey and the Indians.
/Gladys, The Groovy Mule
June 30th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
I’d laugh if Chandler came to Toronto, leaving championship contention behind.
there is almost zero chance that any deal is going to get done that disallows current players from being resigned by their current team.
And Dallas is dead set on re-signing the guy. He’s not going anywhere (I hope).
Miami fans are trying to convince him to take the mid-level over there. But why would he leave?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
Hmm. I was just going to say I quit drinking during the week.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
/Get Confident, Stupid!
June 30th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
Where’s Sean Connery on this list?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
This. And Fetch.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
I wish I still did speed so I can take part in the Roundup. Alas……
June 30th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
Fetch hit the bricks.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
Fetch isn’t banned. Him and Lefty took their talents elsewhere.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
I expect things to pickup when FOOTBAW! comes back.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
Christmas Ape Goes to Summer Camp
June 30th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
I feel bad that I still haven’t seen The Departed yet. I need to put that on my list.
/Fuzzy Bunny’s Guide to You-Know-What
June 30th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
Don’t hold your breath.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
This. And Fetch.
Fetch is free. TBL would like you to think he doesn’t even know who Fetch is, so how could he be banned? Fetch, Lefty, and Irish just aren’t here anymore.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
/Man vs Nature: The Road to Victory
June 30th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
/Firecrackers: The Silent Killer
June 30th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
I’m angered and enjoyed by this post
/Lead Paint Tasty but Deadly
June 30th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
fuck honey-do list. fuck them all to hell.
/ill be back
/wife is off in half an hour haha
June 30th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
I miss irish and JPQ the most. I still talk to Lefty on gchat and e-mail often enough.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
I feel bad that I still haven’t seen The Departed yet.
Don’t feel bad. I don’t know you in any way shape or form but I can guarantee you there are at least 150 movies you have never seen that you should watch before you get to The Departed
June 30th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
I wish the roundup didn’t have 200-300 comments by the time I got into work and my first cup of coffee.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
/Locker Room Towel Fights: The Blinding of Larry Driscoll
June 30th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
Strongly dislikes Cowboys, Can’t Stand Raiders, Detests but Respects Patriots… HATES THE NINERS.
The truth is I was born and raised in Southern California. Got all my teams from my maternal grandfather. Was tortured in the 80′s and 90′s by the Niners. Then went to college at Davis and all my friends were Giner fans.
/Rams Fan
//Couldn’t give up on them when the biatch took them from us
///Got together with family at uncles house every sunday to watch them on directv when I was in high school
////Will never forgive Ken Norton Jr. for beating up the goalposts
/////Can’t remember the whitey on the rams that teed it up for Ken by celebrating a lead WAY TOO EARLY!
June 30th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
Probably true. I still haven’t seen Braveheart. I should probably do that first.
/Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
June 30th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
Two Minus Three Equals Negative Fun
June 30th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
They said the same thing about baseball season.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
You still in the area?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Still need to see “Inception”
/America’s Funniest Tornados
June 30th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Irish, TST, JPQ, & Tampa always found ways to entertain me when I was in class/at work in the library.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:28 PM
Me too.
/Smoke Yourself Thin
June 30th, 2011 at 5:28 PM
He was great as leading man in In Good Company
June 30th, 2011 at 5:28 PM
/Here Comes the Coast Guard!
June 30th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
Lets throw in Topher Grace as well
Good in “Too Big to Fail”
June 30th, 2011 at 5:31 PM
Nope. Moved back to San Diego after college. Still enjoy mixing it up with Sac Kings fans and Niner fans though.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:31 PM
/60 Minutes of Car Crash Victims
June 30th, 2011 at 5:32 PM
Nice, still cool to have another CA commenter around.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
Fuck that. The Departed was great.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
Was Too Big To Fail a good movie? I’ve got it on my dvr but can’t convince the gf to give it a chance and I pretty much don’t have TV time alone
June 30th, 2011 at 5:34 PM
That list should go:
Daniel Day-Lewis
everybody else
Orlando Bloom (he blows dead bear)
June 30th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
Was Too Big To Fail a good movie? I’ve got it on my dvr but can’t convince the gf to give it a chance and I pretty much don’t have TV time alone
It was well acted and written, but sorta portrayed everyone as hero’s saving the economy when they were just greedy fucks.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
Commenter Big–Oil is me???? Awesome!
June 30th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
/frustratingly pushes red button
June 30th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
Totally. If the lady doesn’t want to watch it with you, just lock her in the bedroom so you can watch it in peace.
/my suggestions are generally not to be followed
June 30th, 2011 at 5:37 PM
If by push red button you mean get the hell out of CrazyArizona then yes
June 30th, 2011 at 5:37 PM
It’s too bad I hate you.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:38 PM
it’s the kind of movie where having no interest, no knowledge, or not even caring about the subject matter or major players, will only make you more bored.
i liked it, though. my wife saw some and hated what she saw. i think house hunters international was on so she wanted to watch that.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:38 PM
It was interesting. You’ll probably need to watch it twice unless you where an economics major. Good cast. Glad to see that Bill Pullman isn’t dead.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:39 PM
Watch Too Big To Fail and Inside Job. If you don’t want to go to Wall Street and start annihilating fatcat douchebags, you’re dead to me
June 30th, 2011 at 5:40 PM
Paolo?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:41 PM
Aw come on, I’m not that bad. I just want to sink your area into the ocean, is that so wrong? How about if I compromised and just started saying we could sell it off to Mexico, and that way it wouldn’t be like I was insinuating I wanted you dead or anything, because I don’t.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:41 PM
Watch Too Big To Fail and Inside Job. If you don’t want to go to Wall Street and start annihilating fatcat douchebags, you’re dead to me
I’m reading The Big Short right now and I want to destroy the small fries just as much as the fat cats
June 30th, 2011 at 5:42 PM
And I root for the Niners too. After the Steelers of course, but all my family roots for the Niners and they’re my hometown team.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:43 PM
i’d give you Paolo points, but they still haven’t recovered from the market crash. i invested them all in food, gold and guns.
/time for me to retire when fewer and fewer commenters remember Paolo
June 30th, 2011 at 5:43 PM
I’m not a huge Michael Moore fan but when I watched Roger & Me in college for a lecture on propaganda, I was filled with rage toward the assholes who run the automotive industry in this country
June 30th, 2011 at 5:43 PM
You’re not helping matters.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:47 PM
Are you crazy… you got it backwards. Every time I drive through Baja California I think we should just invade Mexico and just take over this beautiful, under-utilized, coast lands. Do you know how many half built buildings there are within half a mile of the Pacific Ocean??? We take it, build it out, and sell it to pay off China and the rest of our national debt.
/admits this is probably crazy… but maybe just maybe it is genius?
//will let TBL posters be the judge
///cause they are so reliable
June 30th, 2011 at 5:50 PM
Can I offer you an It’s-it?
June 30th, 2011 at 5:51 PM
I vote yes. I used to go to Rosarito every summer. It would be nice to not have to worry about being be-headed.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:51 PM
He will not go quietly into the night! He will not vanquish without a fight! He is going to survive!
June 30th, 2011 at 5:51 PM
Not a bad idea at all, but my original comment was from something that came about yesterday or the day before in a post. It’s more of a NorCal/SoCal thing than an actuality thing.
June 30th, 2011 at 5:53 PM
Having only been to southern California, I am team northern california
June 30th, 2011 at 6:03 PM
It’s-its are way over rated by everyone from SF. Would take a snickers ice cream bar over it’s-it any day.
/team southern california (seriously don’t judge it all on one trip to LA)