Those Guys Have All The Fun: A Review
I spent the past couple weeks reading the ESPN book Those Guys Have All The Fun. Which means I spent the past couple weeks listening to the Bristol beau monde expound upon their own greatness. Apologies to the authors, but closing that tome on my Kindle and popping open the New Yorker felt refreshing, like diving into a crisp pool on a 100-degree day that reeks of swamp ass.
Those Guys is an oral history, but it’s an atypical use of the medium. Generally, it’s a method for capturing disenfranchised voices. Here it’s mostly powerful people, dissecting their own power. Oral history normally introduces focused, hyper-specific stories. Here, it’s stretched into an expansive, multi-decade chronicle. The book presents smorgasbord of raw material. Its assembly is not always seamless.
The method has its strengths. As Miller has pointed out, no amount of his description could accurately render the heft of Chris Berman’s personality. Oral history gives more nuanced, individual accounts of events. We learn not just what someone did, but how they felt about it, what they wanted to do and what they thought they were doing.
It also has its weaknesses. The sources taint any semblance of objectivity. Memories are distorted. Humans naturally process and recollect events through an artificial narrative. Oral history doesn’t pierce through this narrative. The author selects sound bytes based on coherence and framework, rather than verity. Distortion is heightened, not deconstructed.
Those Guys felt rushed for publication. I think “Jim Nance,” “Will Leach,” “Beano Smith” and 2009 Boston resident Bill Simmons might agree with me on that. Miller and Shales’ initial, tight narrative of the company’s construction devolves into a loose attempt to encompass everything. The material becomes abrupt and scattershot, devoid of meaningful transition or a broader connection.
Miller acknowledged at Gelf’s Varsity Letters reading that he already has hundreds of pages earmarked for inclusion and exclusion, a few weeks after publication, suggesting it was anything but a finished product.
It felt like an essay with numerous insertions and deletions that had not been read top to bottom. Some of the juxtapositions were odd. Whitlock’s explosive accusation that ESPN higher-ups essentially told him to black that ass up while he’s on air, receives cursory coverage. Immediately following is a protracted lament over the lost NHL rights. Apparently, Michelle Beadle’s arrival on campus was a far more seminal moment.
Those Guys often resembled the digital media climate it attempted to analyze. A lot of inflammatory, potentially interesting material emerged. It received, at best, a superficial analysis, before an inevitable procession to the next momentary fascination. Sensational matters trumped matters more broadly important. We delved on Bill Simmons’ twitter suspension. We’re left unsure why, in less than a decade, he went from zero to most powerful sportswriter without following a traditional path or even leaving the confines of his local Starbucks.
The reader is left to interpret a sweeping mass of information. As with the SNL book, said information can profound when the reader has an investment in a subject and unconscionably tedious when there isn’t one. If TV production and business deals don’t titillate you, expect to do a lot of skimming.
Whether Miller acknowledges the intent honestly is irrelevant. Those Guys Have All The Fun was marketed to create a reaction and the impact was largely negligible. Information was zealously guarded in the run up to publication. Review copies were kept on lockdown. Media wonks tittered about the Bristol bombshell within. Upon publication, the anticipated bombshell was more of a modest egg barrage.
The scandalous revelations weren’t so scandalous. Drug use in the late 1970s and early 1980s was a cultural universal. Sexual harassment at the company, both ancient and modern, was ground well tread in previous books and blog posts. The novelty came from reactions to items already reported. The on the record ones were, for the most part, underwhelming.
We knew Chris Berman was a blowhard with an inflated self-importance. We knew Keith Olbermann was brilliant, but, at times, a pain in the ass. We knew Tony Kornheiser was candid, controversial and can sound like a cranky old man (without F-bombs, that’s his shtick). We knew Bill Simmons hates being edited.
Those Guys brilliantly explains how ESPN came to dominance and a more than adequately illuminates the functioning hive. Where it fails is addressing that dominance’s ramifications, fallout and ultimate significance.
From ESPN’s perspective, there were no PR disasters, damage to the mothership was negligible and their most prominent critics just spent weeks obsessing about ESPN and its personalities while ignoring legitimate reasons for concern stemming from its hegemony. They are still having all the fun and will be for the conceivable future.

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June 14th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
When is Ty Duffy’s TBL expose called “These guys have no fun” coming out?
June 14th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
like diving into a crisp pool on a 100-degree day that reeks of swamp ass.
yeah thats what its like
June 14th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
i’ve never been a fan of sports-related books. it’s weird. i guess b/c i’ve always preferred to play them than watch them.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
So did we, considering all the
sponsored posts“excerpts” from the book.June 14th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
This.
And the joke of an interview.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Human beings like TBL?
June 14th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
beau monde. new yorker. swamp ass.
love it.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Yup. That opening paragraph is GOLD, duffy.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Has anyone seen Erin Andrews on ESPN recently? seems like she’s gone ghost/maybe working on some new project.
We still have Hannah.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Was just hosting CFB live this afternoon.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
We still have Hannah.
Her knees look like she’s been riding the carpet big time.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Was just hosting CFB live this afternoon.
Nice. I think no one would argue against a “Tafoya for EA switch” on MNF.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
So….wait for it to come out in paperback?
/refuses to buy a kindle.
//loves books.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
threadjack:
baby just rolled over for the 1st time! it was wicked cool. he did it 3 times; i got video of the 2nd one. i expect him to have a nasty crossover dribble by 18 months.
threadjack over
June 14th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
I look forward to Tyler Duffy’s first tome at Grantland.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
I genuinely appreciated this piece, Duffy.
/for serious
June 14th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
So….wait for it to come out in paperback?
I think it’s more along the lines of wait for a different book to be published. Way to go on rolling over to The Micro Lead
June 14th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
THAT’S what “tj/tj over” means
/slinks away to the e-retarded batcave
June 14th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Wait until he walks up to you and shits, vomits and pisses on the rug at the same time. Those are the good memories.
/father of the year
June 14th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
/betterer
June 14th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
I was at Sam’s Club a couple weeks ago and saw this book. I picked it up and then put it right back down. As has been mentioned by many of you, all of the good stuff either had or will be on the Internet. I didn’t feel like wading through the boring stuff.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
OT/
just found out mike and mike broadcasted from the backyard of my hopefully soon to be new neighbors this morning. crazy.
/OT
June 14th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Congrats, does this mean the video is going up as the next post?
June 14th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
The wife reports that my kid was completely naked this morning when she went to get him out of his crib. Had fully removed PJs and diaper.
/ can’t wait for the morning we go into his room and find he’s been painting the walls with his morning dump
// has heard this happens
June 14th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
is this worth reading?
June 14th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
Yesterday I was watching my two nephews in addition to my two boys. I was sitting there immersed in the fight my son and nephew were having. They are 17 months and 23 months respectively, but they were hitting each other with their fists like trained boxers.
/probably should have broken it up a lot sooner
//father and uncle of the year
June 14th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
that’ll learn ‘em about something.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Beef – nah, not post-worthy.
but mom and dad are off the walls. if it feels this good when he learns to roll over, what will it be like when he walks? makes a basket? gets into college?
June 14th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
My baby girl is 7 months old…while seated, she can catch and throw a ball (underinflated rubberish ball, about 6″ in diameter). This has been my greatest achievement so far as a father.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
if it feels this good when he learns to roll over, what will it be like when he walks? makes a basket? gets into college
Flunks out of college? Enters prison? Comes out as a transvetite?
/I have horrifying thoughts about how my kid will end up. Tempers the feel-good milestone moments.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
The time for these things will literally fly just as fast as you typed that.
/don’t have kids, but my girl has a 17 month old niece so I’ve been going through it to a small extent too
June 14th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
if it feels this good when he learns to roll over, what will it be like when he walks? makes a basket? gets into college?
Don’t wish for the walking to happen too soon, they just turn into a walking bruise.
My 2 year old menace to society’s current favorite thing is to chase after the dog with his mini hockey stick. Failing to catch her, he settles for beating the shit out of the walls.
June 14th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
oh my god, go fuck yourself serena.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
baby just rolled over for the 1st time! it was wicked cool. he did it 3 times; i got video of the 2nd one. i expect him to have a nasty crossover dribble by 18 months.
9-10 months things take off. Hilarious to watch them figure things out. Must be watched all of the time.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
that’ll be good for all of 15 seconds until you get that bill.
hope some of those low seven figures found their way into a 529.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
That is quite the visual right there, I just let out a nice laugh on that one.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
The first time he walks it will be unbelievable…then the kid will start running around, screaming, throwing things on the ground, climbing and what not, then you will wish your kid was not walking.
/seriously, on 2 with a third on the way…I just want fucking quiet
June 14th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
my old man used to tell me when i was a young buck to start at the fridge and run through the family room as fast as my brother and i could and then he would whip area pillows at our feet.
/We loved it
//probably why we turned out a little left of center
June 14th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
/seriously, on 2 with a third on the way…I just want fucking quiet
Yelled at the kids 3 times already while reading these comments.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
wow, all this talk about kids makes me want to smoke some pot, play some video games and go to the driving range.
you know, only if i have enough time.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:04 PM
gets into college?
that’ll be good for all of 15 seconds until you get that bill.
hope some of those low seven figures found their way into a 529.
What he said.
/works for a private university.
//all included we’re over $50k per student for this coming year.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
My kid is almost 14 and I have no idea where all those years went. I can remember all those firsts and still get a goofy smile.
However, we’re now entering those years where shit gets scary. The kid is fairly smooth with the ladies but there are a couple floating around that have that have a ’16 and pregnant’ vibe to them. Needless to say, I’m paying extra close attention to his social activities lately.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
Unless its correcting something, there should never be a difference between the hard back and the paperback. The fact that Miller is talking about adding/deleting crap already has guaranteed I will never buy this book except second hand.
Put all of your material in and split it into two volumes if you have to. I’ll edit it for myself if it certain stuff ends up being boring
June 14th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
I love kids, as long as they aren’t mine.
/realizes I’ll probably slip one past the goalie one day
//sighs
June 14th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
This right here. Life changes dramatically when they become mobile and start disappearing from site to trash the place.
Got 3 and I’ve given up the quiet thing for now!
June 14th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
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My kid is almost 14 and I have no idea where all those years went. I can remember all those firsts and still get a goofy smile.
However, we’re now entering those years where shit gets scary. The kid is fairly smooth with the ladies but there are a couple floating around that have that have a ’16 and pregnant’ vibe to them. Needless to say, I’m paying extra close attention to his social activities lately.
Your son is Keith Stone?
June 14th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
I do miss golfing on a regular basis, that’s for sure.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
GG: That’s about when I started to turn into a shithead through my adolescent years. He’ll get over it in about 4 years when he realizes his dad actaully knew what he was talking about. Not that you don’t already know this shit.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
wow, all this talk about kids makes me want to smoke some pot, play some video games and go to the driving range.
you know, only if i have enough time.
That was funny
/piss off
June 14th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
Once they outnumber you, you’re fucked. Quiet is gone forever. They start conspiring against you, waking up the baby, taking each others toys.
/haven’t had a
gooddecent nights sleep in 17 monthsJune 14th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
/nods at spencer
//pets dogs on the head
June 14th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
What color is your van?
June 14th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
always smooooooth
June 14th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
+1 BrawnyTom.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
Wow. Now that’s pathetic.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:13 PM
your only hope is to switch to a zone defense, and choose your battles carefully.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
Should have planned ahead like I did. Had the first kid at 18 and planning the second for age 33 or so.
/Totally not the original plan
June 14th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
/Team 27 and single
//also Team Revolving Door apparently… was labeled as such by my friends this weekend
June 14th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
I recently discovered the magic of In the Night Garden. I feel bad putting the TV on, even for just 30 minutes, but the little bugger is obsessed with Iggle Piggle and it keeps him quiet.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
The next kid the wife and I plan for will be the first.
/Was an 18 year old dad
//Last one when I was 26
///Yes to whoever mention the “zone defense”
June 14th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
I have a cousin with two kids. After they passed 3 years old, it was fine. Anything under 3 and I want nothing to do with it. It’s a stinky, sticky human that only chooses to communicate when it needs something, is pissed off about something or has defecated on itself.
I’ll make a terrible parent someday. You don’t need to tell me, I already know.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
not quite the same, but I am Team Re-Dater to some of my friends.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:31 PM
//all included we’re over $50k per student for this coming year
No offense, but that’s absurd. Private Universities are a racket. I have a cousin considering going to Marquette, but he doesn’t know what he wants to major in. I could not stress to him enough that unless you know for a fact that you want to get into a program the private university specializes in, you could not make a more ill-informed decision. 35K a year to get an econ or liberal arts major just doesn’t make sense. I doubt he’ll listen.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
** I should add an asterisk for very highly ranked private schools like Duke, Harvard, etc. Maybe ms621 works for one of those. Marquette, while good, isn’t exactly top 10.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
Private Universities are a racket.
No, for-profit universities are a racket. Private universities trade off their name to attract students who generally have no ability to pay the tuition and so finance their education with loans. The next potential market bubble is educational lending, mark my words.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
The next potential market bubble is educational lending, mark my words.
Oh, no doubt. Perhaps ‘racket’ was a poor choice of words.
June 14th, 2011 at 5:44 PM
Here’s a crazy stat of the day: for profit-universities make up 12% of the loan volume (of all types: federal, state, and private) in this nation, but 51% of all educational loan defaults. If that’s not a reason to avoid an ITT Tech or a University of Phoenix then I don’t know what is.
June 14th, 2011 at 8:39 PM
but mom and dad are off the walls. if it feels this good when he learns to roll over, what will it be like when he walks? makes a basket? gets into college?
Just wait until your son posts a wOBA of .545 and gets a scoop of a throw in the dirt at first.
June 14th, 2011 at 10:39 PM
Congrats, TBL. My first just rolled over 2 weeks ago. You will learn to hate that milestone. Now you have to go in and roll them back over when they’re sleeping and get stuck and wake up crying. I’d like to go back to not rolling over, thanks.
June 15th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
I enjoyed reading it for the stories about ESPN’s founding and how it grew. The stories about Stuart Evey’s exploits were entertaining.