A Q&A with Sports Illustrated’s Lee Jenkins
On the eve of the biggest game of the NBA season to date, we fired over a few questions to one of Sports Illustrated’s NBA writers, Lee Jenkins. He grew up in San Diego, but I passed on the Anchorman jokes. Instead, Jenkins talked about the Lebron and Dirk and the NBA Finals, his rapid rise to SI, nearly watching Kenyon Martin beat up a reporter in the locker room, and the early 1990s tears shed over Gary Sheffield.
Q: Well, the NBA Finals suddenly got interesting. Let’s begin with LeBron. We’ve all seen that he’s capable of physically taking over games, because nobody can stop him … why isn’t he doing that in this series? Is it something Dallas is doing? Is he just being passive? A combination of the two? If he’s being so passive, why now, after he dominated late against Boston and Chicago?
We’re accustomed to basketball stars yearning to take over in these situations – Kobe, Jordan, Bird – but one thing we learned about LeBron last summer is that he’s wired a little differently. If he was the kind of guy who wanted the burden on his shoulders every night, he would have stayed in Cleveland. He wanted the luxury of deferring and still winning.
The problem, as LeBron readily admits, is that it’s hard to jump back and forth from facilitator to attacker. You watch Kobe, Rose, even Durant, they rarely turn it off. They aren’t allowed. Their teams are built in a way that they have to be engaged the whole time. With two stars, each of them has leeway to lay back for stretches. In the Chicago series, it was Wade. Now, it’s LeBron. I don’t think that’s coincidence. Wade has an easier matchup against Dallas (Kidd) than LeBron does (Marion). The Mavs are picking up LeBron full-court, doubling him in the post, clogging the lane in a way that might be easier for Wade to slither through. LeBron prides himself on his playmaking, but when he tries to re-engage, he acknowledges he can’t always find his rhythm. For Kobe and Rose, I don’t think rhythm comes and goes as easily, because they’ve always got the ball in their hands and are under constant pressure to create offense. They have no choice. LeBron has given himself the option.
It’s funny how long we have been psycho-analyzing this guy — eleven months and counting….
Q: In the knee-jerk world of sports journalism these days, LeBron is compared to Jordan one week, and then he’s looking like Scottie Pippen the next. But since LeBron’s only 26, and has plenty of time left, could the argument be made that this title would mean more to Dirk, who is 33? With his clutch play in the series, Dirk seems to have locked down a Hall of Fame spot, and now the only question is where he’ll be remembered. Can you enhance your “legend” in one postseason?
Thank you for not using the word “legacy.” I’m not sure what it is about the NBA Finals that brings out the affection for that term. If I weren’t covering this, I’d make it a drinking game.
Dirk is in a win-win situation. It’s been Dirk Nowitzki appreciation day for six weeks, with no signs of letting up. I think people in Dallas are kind of amused, because they’ve seen Dirk do this for about a decade, but he obviously needed these playoffs to make the rest of the country notice. If he can win it all, with a supporting cast that isn’t much better than LeBron’s was in Cleveland, he is going to experience an outpouring of affection this country has rarely afforded a foreign athlete. Even if he loses, he will go down as the sympathetic figure, because he didn’t have Dwyane Wade on his team. In fact, I still can’t figure out the Mavs second-best player.
If LeBron loses, he will take the predictable public flogging, but eventually he’s going to win a championship, and probably a bunch of them. This is arguably going to be the worst Heat team of the era. Dirk cannot say the same. He has enough left to get back to the Finals, but his supporting cast may not. Most of them are in their mid-30s. Even Dirk calls Kidd “a fossil.” As committed as the Mavs are, it could be impossible to recast their roster in time to take advantage of Dirk’s remaining years.
Q: I’m guessing your Derrick Rose feature was the most popular story you wrote this year? I thought it was fantastic. Can you walk us through how that story happens? How many times did you interview Rose for the story? Historically, he hasn’t been chatty. Did you have to go through five layers of representatives to get to Rose? Did you have weeks to craft it?
Thanks. I think they needed that story in 10 days, which is about average. I’m from a newspaper background, which fosters a journalistic ADD, so if I have more than two weeks on anything I start to break out.
Rose is the rare athlete who is extremely quiet, and not very quotable, but a writer favorite anyway. You could hire an army of image-makers and PR experts and they couldn’t replicate that formula. I actually looked for his handlers and couldn’t find them. I just showed up in New Orleans when the Bulls had a couple off days there – it’s usually easier to get time with players on the road, plus I already did the hometown angle with him a couple years ago – and talked to him after practice. After 20 minutes, the coaches told him to get on the bus and I asked if I could meet him back at the hotel. I know the guys at Esquire and GQ get two or three separate interviews with a subject, and maybe some at SI do as well, but that doesn’t happen for me. I was just relieved Rose met me back in the lobby. I talked to him for another 45 minutes, and every time a tourist stopped and looked over, he seemed genuinely surprised they recognized him. I’ll never forget the image of him shuffling through that lobby, sneakers slung over his shoulder, like he was coming back from an AAU tournament. At one point I asked him a really hard hitting question – I think it was, “So you’re playing great,” which isn’t even a question – and he said, “Yeah, I wish.” That’s the appeal of Derrick Rose. His humility stands out because there’s so little of it anywhere else.
Q: It’s a nettlesome topic to discuss, especially in the middle of the Finals, but what’s your take on the lockout? Isn’t that something David Stern should be immensely worried about? Depending on what metrics you look at, the NBA has surpassed MLB in popularity in this country, and a lockout would certainly be a step back. Can’t they just contract two teams and get it over with?
I haven’t covered a lot of this, but having just returned from a press conference on the subject, I think you hit on the sticking point. The NBA is desperate to save its struggling franchises and ensure their profitability. To do that, owners are demanding a hard salary cap, and players are balking. They don’t know why it’s their responsibility to make the small-market teams viable. I tend to side with players in these situations and not only because I write more stories about players than owners.
A lockout is inevitable and staggeringly shortsighted. The NBA has battled perception problems for almost 15 years. Just as the league starts to regain popularity – thanks to players like Rose and Durant and even the three in Miami – they are all about to take a blowtorch to their product. I love baseball and it’s probably what I will cover if there is no NBA next season. But baseball looks vulnerable right now. A lot of stadiums are half-empty. There are only a handful of offensive stars. I can appreciate a pitcher’s duel, but not every night. The NBA is never going to catch the NFL. But you’re right. MLB is in its sights. A lockout is a massive step back.
Q: Let’s move on to your career. You’ve climbed the career ladder awfully quickly since graduating Vanderbilt. In eight years you went to the NYT & SI. How’d you pull that off so quickly?
It wasn’t that long ago, but it was a different time in journalism. The internet boom created job openings at smaller papers and room to move. I spent a winter break working for free at the Colorado Springs Gazette and the sports editor there, Geoff Grant, took pity on me and held an opening. On my first day, the Rockies beat writer stormed out of the press box and quit. I was the only one with nothing to do, so I ended up covering the team part-time. I got beat every other morning, but I liked writing features, and Geoff was the kind of editor who let you go for 60 inches and cut the box scores to make room. I covered the Avalanche, too, once referring to the Carolina Hurricanes as the Carolina Panthers, and the next night the Florida Panthers as the Florida Hurricanes. My next job was covering UCLA for the Orange County Register, which I could have done forever. When I started on the beat, Steve Lavin insisted that I join for him dinner, and bring my then-girlfriend (now wife). She spilled a bottle of red wine all over his beige sport-coat and he thanked her profusely for letting him get rid of a jacket he never wanted in the first place. His teams were wildly inconsistent, but they made for entertaining copy. The only problem with covering UCLA for a paper in Orange County is the dearth of UCLA fans there. It’s a USC stronghold. The voice mails were interesting and the first round of layoffs could have been dicey.
The Times hired me to cover the Nets, which is the beat they give you when they don’t trust you yet. They eventually moved me to the Mets, then Barry Bonds’s personal detail. An editor once said, “Pack for two weeks, fly to San Francisco, check in on Bonds, and we’ll tell you where to go from there.” But when I got home, a bottle of wine was waiting at the door. That’s the New York Times. They drive you but they support you. Leaving the editors there – Tom Jolly, Kristin Huckshorn, Jay Schreiber – was like leaving home. But I grew up wanting to work for SI. The chance to write in the same pages as so many people I idolize – Tom Verducci, Tim Layden, Michael Farber, and a couple dozen others – doesn’t get old.
Q: How tight are you with the other prominent writers who graduated from Vanderbilt (Tyler Kepner, Buster Olney, Skip Bayless, Dave Shenin, Dan Wolken)?
Tyler was my editor in college and I was Dan’s. Both were in my wedding. Buster and Skip I watch on TV. Dave I read to see what a feature should be. He also counsels me through Vanderbilt’s first-round tournament losses, of which there have been too many lately.
With Grantland Rice getting so much run these days, it’s probably worth noting that he is the main reason we went to Vanderbilt. Rice also went there, and well after he graduated, a sportswriting scholarship was endowed in his honor. VU has no journalism school, just a paper called The Hustler (we had the name before Larry Flynt), and a bunch of old columns that Dave and Buster and Skip left around the newsroom in bound volumes. That might have been as good as J-school.
Q: John Canzano’s locker room madness with the Jailblazers was quite legendary. Ever encounter anything remotely similar in your years covering sports? If you haven’t seen scuffling among journalists, what’s the best athlete-athlete or athlete-journalist encounter you’ve witnessed?
Kenyon Martin did not like one of the writers on the Nets beat. Several incidents had taken place that preceded me. But I remember the Nets were playing the Knicks one night at Madison Square Garden, and before the game, the writer was venting to Richard Jefferson about his relationship with Kenyon. The writer said to Jefferson: “Kenyon acts tough. But really he’s just a big softie. I think I should give him a little peck on the cheek.” Jefferson sat in his chair, nodding, with a grin on his face. The writer turned around and Kenyon was standing behind him, arms crossed, glowering down. No one got kissed, or punched, but I thought I might be reporting that night on the death of a beat writer.
Q: In baseball there’s great friction between the “stat guys” and everyone else who follows the sport. There’s much less of it in the NFL because it’s a team sport. That’s kind of the case in the NBA, except a handful of “stat guys” seem to be trying to exert their influence on everyone else. Where do you fall in the stat department? What’s the first stat you look at after the game? Is there a popular one that you can’t stand?
I’ve been surprised how much the sabermetric revolution has seeped into the NBA. I’m still learning what advanced stats are most relevant to each story. I’m fascinated by players’ sweet spots – Ric Bucher did a really cool story about that for ESPN the Magazine last year – and the origins of them, why a guy shoots so much better from the left elbow than the right. Synergy Sports helped me with a story last year about what plays teams call out of timeouts and the success rate they have. With that kind of topic, advanced stats are crucial. In general, though, there are a lot of writers who are much better at finding and interpreting them than I am. I prefer to rely on scenes and anecdotes. The hope is for a reader to see a player on TV and say, “That’s the guy who…” and have it be something we wrote about him.
Quick hitters:
Q: Who are the three best interviews in the NBA?
1) Tyson Chandler: He was on 60 Minutes in eighth grade and was the subject of an SI expose before he graduated high school. Somehow, he was never jaded.
2) Joakim Noah: I went to his house early this season and found him sitting outside in the dark, illuminated by a raging bonfire, sipping a beer. He said he builds the bonfire when he wants to have a deep conversation. That’s a good start.
3) George Karl: After the trade, I flew to Denver and asked him if there was anything he wanted to take back that he said about Carmelo. There was nothing. He’s one of those few people who can’t lie.
Q: Surely at some point you covered high school sports. Biggest can’t-miss athlete at the high school level you ever covered?
I worked for my hometown weekly in high school and wrote about two of the local football teams. One had a player named E.J. Watson, who I argued was the best running back in the city, and would someday contend for the Heisman Trophy. The other had Rashaan Salaam.
Q: Your favorite San Diego athlete of all-time?
Tough one. I sat in the bleachers for every home game Marshall Faulk played in college. Tony Gwynn approached me once at a baseball camp and insisted I use his bat because it was lighter. LaDainian Tomlinson was Derrick Rose with a football. For a town with no championships – I’m not counting the 1963 AFL title – we’ve had some great players. As strange as it sounds, I’m going with Gary Sheffield, who was only in San Diego for a year-and-a-half. But it was 1992, one of my best friends had just learned to drive, and we probably went to 60 games. Sheffield made a run at the Triple Crown — .330, 33 home runs, 100 RBI (pre-steroid era, I pray) – whipping that bat around like a machete. When Tom Werner and his cronies traded him the following summer, probably to buy another beach house, Sheffield said he cried in the stadium parking lot. Me, too.
Q: Taking age and injury history into account, the point guard you’d rather have to lead your team, Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul?
Chris Paul. After the regular season, I would have gone with Westbrook. But I was in L.A. for the first round and Paul set up teammates in ways that none of the young point guards do. That can change. The question is how much Westbrook wants it to change. I did a story last week about Jason Kidd, and after talking to him for a while, I realized that true point guards are born more often than they’re made. Kevin Durant deserves a true point guard.

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June 9th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
But tell us about the shoes
June 9th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Did Lee Jenkins bang Lebrons gf?
June 9th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
I could not have said this any better. That, is why I love Derrick Rose.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
Depending on what metrics you look at, the NBA has surpassed MLB in popularity in this country
What metrics are we using?
June 9th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
What metrics are we using?
Games played indoors played by mostly african-americans.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
That’s the appeal of Derrick Rose. His humility stands out because there’s so little of it anywhere else.
this guy gets it. and the opposite is why people dont like leBouche
June 9th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
TBL’s personal opinions.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Damn, great interview TBL.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
I think NBA has surpassed MLB in popularity, btw. It’s hard to pinpoint it, but even before the Finals it seemed evident.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
Rick Reilly came here (to Vanderbilt) to talk to aspiring sportswriters etc… I stuck around to talk to him after. Even a bigger douchebag/ass than you’d even imagine.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
If he can win it all, with a supporting cast that isn’t much better than LeBron’s was in Cleveland
[makes confused dog noise]
Really?
June 9th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
i doubt that.
/the only d-bags i have higher on the list are hitler, aj pierzynski and kenny g
June 9th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Even a bigger douchebag/ass than you’d even imagine
I don’t really see how that’s possible. He’s always near the top of my list. Right next to Jay Cutler.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Spence, you need to let it go already. Even if he took a steamer on your Cleveland, you and Jo would be best buds. Bonfires, Marley, spliffs and good food. You know that’s all you.
June 9th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Damn you, Fred McGriff!
/no google
//hopes that is right
June 9th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
They’re all really, really old.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
/frantically rushes to trade Steve Nash for Westbrook
June 9th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
They’re all really, really old.
Sure, but qualitatively?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
You’re letting ESPN dictate your barometer. Still think MLB’s demo is much wider than the NBA’s. Old white dudes in their 50s and 60s don’t watch the NBA much. Young black kids watch baseball. Same thing can be said for Asian folk which is quite a large populous. Don’t forget how much Hispanic folks LOVE beisbol.
The NBA gets the ratings for sure, I just think the MLB appeals to a wider spectrum of people. Then again, I really don’t want to have this debate because what you watch is your own business.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I love it in basketball. It turns me off in baseball though.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
I think NBA has surpassed MLB in popularity, btw. It’s hard to pinpoint it, but even before the Finals it seemed evident.
Going to have to disagree with you there. Maybe among people under 30.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
nobody holds a grudge like a sicilian.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
nearlywatching Kenyon Martin nearly beat up a reporter in the locker roomJune 9th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
In fact, I still can’t figure out the Mavs second-best player.
washed up Shawn Marion for the past 8 games.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
This is especially true.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
/war on WAR’d
//really just displaced OPS hate
June 9th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
HAHA! This!
June 9th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Guys, don’t fall into the Rulers Trap again…different people like different sports, and some people like both
Outside of bringing more pointless baseball opinions into the interview I thought it was very good
June 9th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
By far the most important people on the planet. At least for four more years.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
By far the most important people on the planet. At least for four more years.
This. Exactly.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Has SG told you her Jay Cutler is a huge asshole, story? If not, you’ll hate Jay on a whole new level.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Gotta be the other way around, no? In baseball they actually help evaluate the game and predict what will happen. In basketball, these stats are terribly inaccurate.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Youngsta
June 9th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
I think I’d be offended if I were D Rose
He’s unreal. A true quarterback/extension of a head coach/any other cliche you want to use. I’m glad he’s the only guy in the league that wears the captain’s C on his jersey.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
i would reply with dennis hopper’s monologue from True Romance, but i’d likely be banhammer’d by The Big Censor.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
oh, do tell, plz.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
I only watch ESPN during PTI.
I also live in a basketball crazy part of the country. The Japanese love baseball, not sure about all of asia. China loves basketball, and I think it’s only second to ping pong. I’m not saying that the NBA is ahead by leaps and bounds, I’m saying that it’s more popular, even just slightly.
Also basketball is bigger than baseball in most of Europe.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Story time.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Most all of my buddies despise the NBA. They are huge NFL fans, and they are also good MLB fans, but they wont watch the NBA hardly ever no matter what time of year.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
The all-mighty dollar says your wrong.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:09 PM
Also YYSA calls it. I’d rather be the NBA with a young fanbase than the MLB with it’s older fanbase.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Maybe I am. I’m just saying I believed it had.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I only watch ESPN during PTI.
you love Jeremiah Weed, and giant hamburgers.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Well the NBA has like 21 teams that lost money this year. Plus, there are about 4 teams in the NBA that actually have a chance to win a championship every year.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Most all of my buddies despise the NBA. They are huge NFL fans, and they are also good MLB fans, but they wont watch the NBA hardly ever no matter what time of year.
I would say that the NBA is way behind baseball where I am at, but I come from a market that hasn’t had the NBA in years, but is a huge college basketball town.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Bears kicker Robbie Gould was getting a football signed by the team for a charity auction that was being done for kids. He had the ball going around the locker room and guys were signing it and whatnot. Ball gets to Cutler, he looks at it and just passes it on. Later on, Gould approaches Cutler with the ball to get him to sign it. Cutler looks at Robbie straight in the face and asks him what it’s for. Gould tells him. Jay’s response?
“Fuck off.”
June 9th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
yeah, but that young fanbase (which soccer has) doesn’t have the money needed to support it, like the older fanbases do.
i used to like the NBA, then the lockout in the 90′s turned me off to it. i can watch a game 7, but don’t care for the rest.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
THEY NEED A SALARY CAP. Oh wait . . .
June 9th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Yea but a lot of the kids will grow up and continue to be NBA fans.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
+1
June 9th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Yeah, but in basketball people don’t put 100% faith in the statistics because they know they can be inaccurate. In baseball, it like takes the fun out of watching the games or something. Sports is just entertainment to me, baseball sabermetrics guys treat that shit like they’re gonna be graded on this information or something.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Reminds me of something that happened last summer to a friend regarding Patrick Kane. He saw Kaner and a few other ‘hawks at a bar and he had on his Teows jersey. So, he took it off and had all the guys sign it. Kaner, instead of signing it, draws a huge dick on it.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
How has Florio not caught wind of this story? You’d think he would like an actual case of an athlete being an asshole
NBA parity is shit, two franchises have over half the championships in the history of the league
June 9th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Shatner – the roster of a little league team usually consists of 20 kids. Non-athletic kids can play baseball too. The roster of a junior high basketball team usually has 10-12 kids. You generally have to be athletic to play basketball.
Which one appeals to more children?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
can’t always count they will still be there. when you have half your league losing money you need the cash now, not in 10-15 years.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
i find that NBA fans are almost exclusively NBA and NFL fans, while MLB fans tend to be fans of a wider variety of sports.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
No, theyll grow up and realize how shitty the NBA is.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
I really like some of the “sabermetric” stats. I think they tell another story to the game and tell me more. It doesn’t take away from the game for me at all. But maybe that’s just me. Oh, and Lefty.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
I don’t think the NBA is as popular as baseball, but I really feel like it’s only a matter of time. And not in the way that they say soccer/
hockey are gaining in popularity, but like really.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Does this mean MLB fans are better people? Well, except for White Sox fans.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
I’m guessing this was Duffy’s accomplishment for the day…
June 9th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Whose tieing you up and forcing you to look at stats?
Seems like an easy thing to avoid if you want to…
June 9th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
You say this with a lockout looming on the horizon?
With 2/3 of the league losing money?
With teams leaving cities and only a few teams with an actual chance to win?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
I guess it really comes down to Mexicans. They’re supposed to overtake white people by, what 2040? Surprisingly most of my Mexican friends are way more into basketball than baseball.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Ok, so this is why I started reading TBL. Good stuff.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
The product is good, I’ve found that the older I get the less interested I am in college ball (and no it’s not because I’m generally subjected to Big Ten basketball)
June 9th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
Reminds me of something that happened last summer to a friend regarding Patrick Kane. He saw Kaner and a few other ‘hawks at a bar and he had on his Teows jersey. So, he took it off and had all the guys sign it. Kaner, instead of signing it, draws a huge dick on it.
I actually think that’s funny.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
who the fuck cares what other people like?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
Has SG told you her Jay Cutler is a huge asshole, story? If not, you’ll hate Jay on a whole new level
I don’t doubt it for a second, but how is SG the one with this knowledge? Does she know someone in the locker room who saw it?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
Still waiting for Dueling Banjos…
June 9th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
easy now.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
I’m with you, but really… fuck OPS
June 9th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
As opposed to how awesome CBB is?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
well sure there’s parity… you can count 43 championships between the Celtics, Bulls, Lakers and Spurs, and 21 championships among 13 other teams.
big markets, baby.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Reminds me of something that happened last summer to a friend regarding Patrick Kane. He saw Kaner and a few other ‘hawks at a bar and he had on his Teows jersey. So, he took it off and had all the guys sign it. Kaner, instead of signing it, draws a huge dick on it
Hockey players… 14 year olds trapped in men’s bodies.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
That’s me. I just cancelled my tickets at the end of the year. I loved the NBA for a good 15 years but have been gradually losing interest over the past 3-4 seasons. The Raptors sucking is part of it but I couldn’t even get excited to see the good teams come to town anymore.
I’ll probably get a mini-pack next year to see Phoenix (Nash), New Orleans (Paul) and OKC but that’s about it. Oh, I’ll also get a couple of Knicks games because I love to cheer against those fucks.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
On some level, it’s hilarious. But hawks jersey’s ain’t cheap.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
The fact that Memphis and OKC got as far as they did, and the Spurs and Lakers left so early, and that Dallas is in the Finals kinda points to evidence otherwise
June 9th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
There are over 3.2 million youth soccer players in America. There are more than 3.2 million youth baseball players in America. Which one is more popular?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
I guess it really comes down to Mexicans. They’re supposed to overtake white people by, what 2040?
I’m doing my part to continue this trend.
/white
//is marrying a hispanic woman
June 9th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Does this mean MLB fans are better people?
i think it’s just more of a family experience than the NBA. You have minor leagues spread across small towns in America. Baseball is everywhere, while professional basketball has to compete with college in most smaller American towns.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Hockey players… 14 year olds trapped in men’s bodies.
Easy there Kernel Broadbrushington.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
who the fuck cares what other people like?
/looks at numerous posts relating to TV ratings
//sees top-10 online sports properties is still on front page
ummm… TBL?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
This bodes well for White Sox attendance figures, they do a pretty good job of marketing to that demographic
June 9th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Also those numbers are just those leagues that registered with the youth associations. I have no idea the actual numbers for each since some leagues aren’t sanctioned.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Jesus Christ Rondoman, I hope you are on a phone.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
If you buy through a Chinese wholesaler they are.
I also have a similar mindset towards the NBA as Garland. I care when the Bulls are good and I’ll watch them (go ahead, call me a wagon/shitty fan). It’s not the game that doesn’t interest me, because basketball is being playing at an incredibly high level right now. It’s the guys that are playing the game that I don’t like.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Well, yes. OPS is a shitty stat. It cracks me up that ESPN includes it now when players come up to bat.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
One year means nothing.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Nice. Does she have an accent and appear Hispanic, or is she one of those ones that look and sound white?
/prefer the former
//and really love hispanic accents
June 9th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
The fact that Memphis and OKC got as far as they did, and the Spurs and Lakers left so early, and that Dallas is in the Finals kinda points to evidence otherwise
i have no dog in this fight, but that seems like a small sample size if there ever was one.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
I thought that site wasn’t up anymore.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
I really thought mine came with SARS. It came in a giant plastic bag with Chinese lettering all over it.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Nice. Does she have an accent and appear Hispanic, or is she one of those ones that look and sound white?
/prefer the former
//and really love hispanic accents
Nope no accent. I guess you won’t be able to fantasize about my future wife.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
On a phone? Why?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Well, yes. OPS is a shitty stat. It cracks me up that ESPN includes it now when players come up to bat.
It’s still better than Pitcher Wins.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
The fact that I didn’t even have to go back 7 weeks means something.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
still gotta put asses in the seats and unless you’ve got an established rabid fan base one year of success won’t help sell tickets.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
On a phone? Why?
Ther makign fun of yer spellin.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
is San Antonio considered a big market team in the NBA?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
This is odd, because I think the NBA has a great batch of new guys the league can hang their hat on, one of which happens to play in your town. Just a ton of likable guys right now.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
The whose/who’s and tieing/tying next to each other was pretty atrocious, even for here.
/looks around for a your/you’re mistake like Kenyon Martin eyeing up a limp-dicked NBA reporter
June 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
The only stat more useless than a pitcher win is the Save.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
I liked TST’s inclusion in the writeup today that Matt Capps got a win yesterday because he blew a save
June 9th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
The fact that Memphis and OKC got as far as they did, and the Spurs and Lakers left so early, and that Dallas is in the Finals kinda points to evidence otherwise
Sample size. Also, New Orleans is a pretty good team, and yet we all know there’s absolutely 0 chance that they’ll win the title that year. You can’t make that assertion with decent teams in the NFL or MLB.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
lucky. does she have a sister?
/love hispanic women
June 9th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
The only stat more useless than a pitcher win is the Save.
/high five
June 9th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Hold begs to differ.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
is San Antonio considered a big market team in the NBA?
I don’t think so. Mid market… a la Denver, Portland, etc.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
I’m not big on that, but once, just once, I wanna hook up with a chick who talks to me in Spanish during the coitus. I’ve been with a couple Hispanic women, but they were about as removed as Taco Bell
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
lucky. does she have a sister?
/love hispanic women
Yes, but she’s a lesbian.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
hey’ll win the title that year
next year.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
On a phone? Why?
Ther makign fun of yer spellin.
buncha cthomashowells in here.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
At least with a win/save you at least know the team won…
Your team can lose mostly because of your shitty relief pitching, and you get the hold.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
I love TST’s writeups. Dude is hilarious.
/free TST
June 9th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Hold begs to differ.
Touché sir.
Although I almost think that Hold is what the guy who invented the Save first had in mind.
/still doesn’t make either a good idea.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
I wouldn’t go that far.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
and the 5th biggest market in the nation has zero.
/tears swell up
/runs away
June 9th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
/high fives ms621
June 9th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
I wouldn’t go that far.
Well played.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Yeah my spelling was shitty sorry.
In a hurry at work and people were walkin by.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Oh damn, some latina on latina love huh…
June 9th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
The thing with Saves is that they’ve changed the way the game is played. They affect how managers use their bullpens. That’s straight up garbage.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
I’m listening.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
comment 180 in the roundup, brah.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
/love hispanic women
be weary of hispanic women. not only are they extremely fertile, their hips expand at an alarming rate after birth.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Throw Quality Starts in there too.
A pitcher with a 4.5 game Era is considered quality?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
You want to be called papi?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
ok, so san antonio is 37th, thought it was higher.
but like any sport the NBA doesn’t care who else is in the playoffs as long as Chicago, LA and Boston, NY are in it to some extent.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
The MLB has become a damn cookie cutter league.
I hate the fucking 7th inning, 8th inning guys that managers seem to not stray from. Why? Because hes the 7th inning guy thats why were using him.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
I don’t have a problem with wins persay, just the fact that so many people base whether or not a pitcher is good based on the number of wins a pitcher has. That and if you blow a save you can still earn a win.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
I just don’t understand how baseball fans can stay awake for an entire game. The interwebs and DVR have destroyed my attention span. I can’t even get through half an inning of MLB because of all the downtime. Might be less exciting than soccer.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Phoenix is the 5th biggest market? I’m flummoxed.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
weary or wary?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
lol newt gingrich.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
very, very true.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Ah. Forgiven. I forget some people have to be careful with this shit.
/checked out
//doesnt care
///prints off tee-time confirmations on shared printer then goes home ‘sick’ for the afternoon
June 9th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Damn, Joba likely needs Tommy John. Yanks are fucked.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Phoenix is the 5th biggest market? I’m flummoxed.
Houston is the 4th. Shocking, I know.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
All of this. I will still go to baseball games but watching a regular season game on TV blows.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Hardcore porn has destroyed my fucking love of regular porn.
Regular porn doesnt do anything for me anymore.
If it doesnt have a chick, with a strap on, or a midget and a donkey, I just cant get excited.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Sorry Shatner. I had to go poop in the sponsored thread real fast.
One has a domestic league with a rich history dating back over 100 in 29 cities. The other broadcasts it’s games on what, one TV channel?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
If a woman ever called me ‘daddy’ I might have to stop immediately. But ‘papi’, said in the right accent? Yeah, I could definitely get down with that.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
when the game is on during the day i can watch or listen to every AB…at night i just have better things to do after 10pm than watch any type of TV.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Holy shit you can use the keyboard. I missed the roundup… shouldn’t have slept in
Thanks man
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
lol newt gingrich.
I saw that too. Has any potentially major presidential campaign ever gone so badly from the day it started?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Bunting pisses me off, too.
/not a stat
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Spoken by someone who doesn’t have Hawk Harrelson around to touch their soul apparently
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
There is no perfect statistic. I don’t know that I would say OPS is shitty. It tells you something. The 1:1 weight isn’t perfect, and the number itself is non-sensical in the sense that you aren’t OPS’ing 80% of your at bats or anything, but I’ll look at OPS+ as one way to compare hitters, while still looking at the components.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Vega – I love Derrick Rose. I also really like Kobe Bryant. After that? I not really smitten with any of the other players. Maybe Kevin Durant, but clown made me hate him.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
John Farrell (Jays Manager) actually acknowledged earlier this year that his best relievers (Janssen & Frasor) are more valuable pitching in high leverage situations in the 6th, 7th, 8th innings than in the closer role.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
That’s why you DVR the game and go do something else for the first 30-60 minutes. Then you can come back and FF thru the nonsense.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
My point was that the amount of kids playing sports means nothing.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
Well, that’s what I meant by shitty. It’s based on different ratios. OPS+ or wOBA are much better, so I’ll use one of those to compare hitters. OBP and SLG% by themselves are great stats.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
Dueling Banjos Part I: http://goo.gl/doodle/HKDb
Dueling Banjos Part II: http://goo.gl/doodle/tFZC
June 9th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
I can really only watch White Sox games. And Tigers games (to root against them). Basketball being my favorite sport, I could watch a Wednesday afternoon Bobcats-Timberwolves game and love it. Same thing with football. But if I don’t have a rooting interest, and I’m not actually there in person, I can’t be fully invested in a baseball game
June 9th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
Sheeeeit. A good “daddy” used in the right context could send my ass to the moon.
/it’s happened more than once
//Team Dirty Talk
June 9th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
No. I have Darren Sutton. Not even grace can save that booth. Thom brennaman was a lot better. thats all you need to know.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
Damn.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
what if they call you “papi” the same way danny trejo would call you ‘papi’?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Me too.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
I’m glad we can have a stat conversation without someone making up “hilarious” fake stats.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
Yes, I agree with everything you said, Lisk. I think you summed up my argument, without me pissing lefty/fetch/tst off like I did the first time around. I certainly agree it can be useful at time… , but I don’t like when it is used with such authority that people forget what it means (or doesn’t mean rather).
June 9th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Go root for the Meth Sox
June 9th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Bunting pisses me off, too
There’s a time and a place for it, but unfortunately not a single manager in baseball realizes that this time and this place are rare occurrences.
/watching Dusty Baker make Adam Dunn square up for a sacrifice bunt a few years ago was one of the the most jaw droppingly stupid things I’ve seen in baseball.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
yeah, get those avg, rbi, and hr stats out of here!
June 9th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
How is this possible? KD is the epitome of what is good about professional athletes.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
No it doesn’t. Aren’t you more likely to actively follow a sport that you play, know the rules of and can somewhat accurately analyze when watching?
That’s why I don’t follow soccer. I don’t know what the hell is going on. Baseball was the first sport I played. It was also the first one I started watching.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Hey, I have to listen to John Sterling with Suzyn Waldmun and I still tune in to every Yankee game I can.
Easily the worst baseball duo in the league. Probably the worst announcing duo in NY/NJ, but I don’t listen to the Rangers, Islanders or Devils.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
like the one that shows I rank higher on the GPS than any of you noobs?
/Googletar Proficiency Scale
June 9th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
I think you summed up my argument, without me pissing lefty/fetch/tst off like I did the first time around. I certainly agree it can be useful at time… , but I don’t like when it is used with such authority that people forget what it means (or doesn’t mean rather).
Yeah, I kind of did that to you with WAR once and was a dick in the process. And it turns out I was wrong. I feel kind of bad about that.
/team learned humility.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
I wish I would’ve been there for this argument. I use the advanced stats in my writing all the time and shit on OPS, but they’ve never called me out for it.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
fixed for shitty baseball call.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
And SC, glad to have the old avatar back.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
If any women of any ethnicity said any word the same way danny trejo would say it…I’m done.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
When you play in the NL and your pitcher’s up to bat?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
I don’t see how OPS+ is better than OPS. It’s just how good you are at a stat which doesn’t measure anything. wOBA is a good one. As is RE24. Or I actually would like to see a RE24+, how many positive RE24 at bats you have, but also weighted for increasing chance of scoring at least run, in close games.
Basically turns into a WPA+ stat
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
hey, don’t sell them short. Waldman and Sterling are the one announcing crew I put ahead of Michael Kay and whoever else and Joe Buck doing anything with Tim McCarver.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
When you play in the NL and your pitcher’s up to bat?
Not really even then usually.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
I know Canada doesn’t count but Toronto is a larger market that both. Unfortunately, major pro sports leagues don’t bend over backwards to get Toronto teams in the playoffs for ratings. I wish they did because we could really use the help.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
I have never played a down of real football in my life but I am absolutely smitten with it.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Well, that’s what I meant by shitty. It’s based on different ratios. OPS+ or wOBA are much better, so I’ll use one of those to compare hitters. OBP and SLG% by themselves are great stats.
well, I don’t want to get in a linguistic argument over whether something is shitty/a bust or a collosal bust. I’ll just say that if pitcher wins or saves is shitty, then OPS is not at that level. wOBA is better. If they are telling me something during a broadcast, I’d rather hear OPS than just Batting Average with no mention of slugging or walks though.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
/team dishes and takes equally well
//thinks
///team no homo
June 9th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Bunting only pisses me off when freaking Jeff Mathis is in the game and can’t even lay down a damn bunt. No he has to pop it in the air and fall back on his ass in the process, looking more like an idiot than normal.
/end rant
June 9th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
I couldn’t play football worth a shit, and I excelled at baseball. I watch both with equal fervor. The only reason I don’t have a Jets tattoo is because their logo is ugly as shit.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
You are correct.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Re: Google Doodle guitar…
The Beatles – http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386684,00.asp
/hopefully not Duckworth’d
June 9th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
See I was hoping the Sox would throw down a few bunts to see if Cervelli could move around okay after getting shaken up in the middle of the game.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Fuck Jake Peavy. And Adam Dunn. And Kenny Williams. Oh well, we’ll always have 2005 though. Unlike most Tigers’ fans I know, who were not alive to see their last WS win.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Bunting pisses me off because Girardi uses it as if he invented the act.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
How the fuck can you not follow soccer? Only the goalie can use his hands. It’s offsides if you, as an offensive player, are behind the last defender when the ball is played to you. If the ball goes out of bounds on the sides, it’s a throw in. If the ball goes out of bounds on the ends it’s a corner or goal kick, depending on who kicked it out. Put the ball into the net. Really? That’s tough to follow?
June 9th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
I agree with all of this. Shitty might’ve been the wrong term for me to use. OPS is incomplete compared to some other stats. I think that’s a better way to put it.
/I’m a bust, apparently
June 9th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
One day only. It’s an encore performance. We won the Stanley Cup a year ago today.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
I would venture to guess that most kids who play soccer don’t know what they are doing. It’s bunch ball when that many kids play.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
That would eliminate most golfers. How many ppl you know even are aware that you are supposed to re-tee a lost drive.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
beverly hills cop theme.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
I was alive! WOOT!
June 9th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Yeah seriously. I jumped in on the World Cup last year not knowing shit about the sport, it was shockingly uncomplicated.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
that’s because he’s a shitty manager.
and i always thought he looked like a shaved chimpanzee
June 9th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Because it’s boring and no one scores
/most Americans
June 9th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Oh well, we’ll always have 2005 though.
/rage builds.
//rips phone book in two
///in my imagination
June 9th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
I used to do that all the time.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
This. It’s more of an activity than a sport at that age. All they know is that they’re running around and kicking a ball, when they’re not stopping to look around or chasing bugs.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
that’s because he’s a shitty manager.
But he’s a true Yankee!
June 9th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
because it’s a waste of time.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
if you don’t know what’s going on and see people just kicking a ball around and never see a goal, or listen to the announcers get excited it’s very easy to think it’s boring and not care about it.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
I like Girardi, but I have to admit if he was the manager on any other team I’d laugh at some of his moves.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
/gets into a murderous rage
//stabs SC in his Jeter jersey
June 9th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
So is rooting for the Browns, but you do that anyway.
June 9th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
The 1st organized sport I played was soccer when I was 4 & 5. And I still never watched a match until like last year.
/Dropped that shit like a hot potato as soon as I discovered football, basketball, and baseball
//I miss the Capri Sun though
June 9th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Orange slices and trophies for everybody!
June 9th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
because it’s a waste of time.
So is rooting for the Browns, but you do that anyway.
Beat me to it.
You call down the thunder spencer, you get it.
[insert UNT joke]
June 9th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
I would venture to guess that most kids who play soccer don’t know what they are doing. It’s bunch ball when that many kids play.
Well, this is true of lots of sports. I can tell you from helping coach soccer, basketball and baseball in the last year, soccer is the least complicated. Baseball is the most complicated. We may not think of it that way because we are used to it, but baseball is a very complex game to teach 7 year olds–which base to throw to, whether to turn at first or run through the bag, covering a base, these all required exhausting amounts of time.
June 9th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
fair enough. howabout this then…i don’t watch soccer because id rather be golfing.
ok with that?
June 9th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
I would also say the “bunch ball thing” is true at 5 & 6, but less so at 7. Our team was about half clueless, the other half understanding about spacing and passing and getting open. So we gave up some goals where a defender looked at a ball rolling at his feet like it was from outer space, and other times scored some nice goals off of 1-2 passing by the forwards.
June 9th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
Yeah, that works.