Phillip Fulmer Agrees with Steve Spurrier: Time to Pay College Football Players
Last month, the Big 10 had embryonic discussions about paying college athletes. But the NCAA hates the word “pay,” because after all, these are “student-athletes.” So the NCAA used a word that is less likely to antagonize the subset of folks who think a scholarship for football players is enough: “stipend.”
Yesterday, South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier brazenly talked about paying his football players – out of his own pocket (Spurrier made over $2 million last year).
One person who doesn’t seem keen on paying players is Penn State assistant coach Jay Paterno, who wrote an interesting blog post about just how valuable a football scholarship is. Paterno does a great job of breaking down the free education, but leaves out one important point – just how much loot is the football team bringing in to the university?
I talked with former Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer (who won a National Championship in 1998) about the topic today.
“I absolutely support the concept of helping the athletes any way we can,” Fulmer told me. “[With] the influx of dollars from television and everything, there’s a lot of money that’s being generated, and if I were one of the players, I’d probably feel the same way.”
Here’s a pretty neat breakdown of the TV deal$ for each college football conference. (And somewhat related, here’s a blogger who got his Ph. D and in the process, changed his mind about paying college football players.) Remember when the New York Times wrote about Cam Newton’s effect on Auburn? The paper broke down how valuable Newton – who won the Heisman and brought the Tigers a title – was to the university, from licensed gear to tickets to recruiting. With maybe the exception of a powerhouse basketball program, no other sports team at any university can come close to matching the financial benefits of having a No. 1 ranked football team or superstar player.
College football has changed in the last 30 years. It’s big busine$$. Coaches are paid astronomical sums. Fulmer laughed about how much things have changed.
“A good numbers of years back, coaches were just not paid to the level that they’re paid now,” he said. “There wasn’t that much money brought in outside of attendance, and that’s not the case now. A number of years ago it was a scholarship and $15 – for us, it was called laundry money. They’re on scholarships … but I’ve seen many, many difficult situations for the kids financially. Guys can’t go on dates or can’t go to the movies, and they’re positions that are tough. They’re having to sacrifice a lot. Like their health. They’re only going to play so many years – [and] they should get as much out of it as they can.”
When Ohio State gets scholarship reductions and a 2-year bowl ban from the NCAA for all the shady stuff that’s being uncovered in Columbus (memorabilia, tattoos, cars, whatever), the trickle down effect to the non-revenue generating sports will be felt. Perhaps severely. Nobody’s saying all athletes will quit bending the archaic rules just because they’re getting paid, but isn’t it a good place to start?

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June 2nd, 2011 at 3:13 PM
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June 2nd, 2011 at 3:15 PM
What KC said
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:15 PM
The NCAA needs to seriously consider the Olympic model.
/Jay Bilas’d
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:16 PM
duffy’s still got the best idea…money in a trust, loans against what you earn based of memorabilia and shit.
wouldn’t be fair, but life aint fair.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:17 PM
Phil Fulmer was riveting in The Blind Side.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
Coach!
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
CJ – no suspension for Burrows.
Mike Murphy: “I can find no conclusive evidence that Alex Burrows intentionally bit the finger of Patrice Bergeron.”
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:19 PM
I’m not sure if you think that using dollar signs instead of s’s strengthens your argument or something, but I assure you that the opposite is true.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Paterno does a great job of breaking down the free education, but leaves out one important point – just how much loot is the football team bringing in to the university?
Question: if a student-athlete’s sport doesn’t bring in funds but in fact survives on the funds brought in by other sports (such as, let’s say, football and basketball) do those student-athletes not deserve to get paid?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:20 PM
pay them 100 dollars a month and they would have to get a job like other kids, or offer a full scholarship. otherwise, shut your fucking mouth.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
I’m assuming that was your head hitting the keyboard
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Pop-up ad$ on this web$ite are the be$t
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
What a joke… oh well
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Paid? Shit, they need to be executed, greedy leeches. Cam needs new rims.
/TBL
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Not to be naive, but do any other sport/student-athletes complain about not having money either? Like, are the baseball players not going on dates either?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
they aren’t like other kids tho…
this thought that all people are created equally makes no sense at all. if you have a trait that people want to be around, be it through sports, academia, fine arts, etc, you’re going to be compensated more than the average student who spends thursday thru sunday in a drunken haze be it by legal or illegal means.
nobody’s buying season tickets for mr. 3.2 gpa in criminal justice.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:24 PM
this thought that all people are created equally makes no sense at all.
It took almost exactly 225 years, but we finally turned Thomas Jefferson on his head. Take that you slave banging aristocrat!
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 PM
you’re going to be compensated more than the average student who spends thursday thru sunday in a drunken haze be it by legal or illegal means.
Compensated with a free ride.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 PM
/Thi$
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 PM
I do, it was stupid then and is still stupid. The article can be summed up that the school makes 87 cents per tshirt sold. Cam probably helped them sell a few thousand more than normal. He should be paid millions.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 PM
they aren’t like other kids tho…
totally agree. thats why they get a paid for education for playing a game. thats why i dont understand the “lets pay them camp”
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Agreed, looks like a child wrote it.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:26 PM
It’s Murphy not having the stones to lay down a suspension in the Cup Finals. Plain and simple. If it were Campbell, there would have been a greater likelihood Burrows is watching from the press box.
Hopefully someone gets a good clean hit on him at some point. He and Torres being in the same sweater is just a haven of filthy play.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Exactly. It’s the football team. I’m an Auburn “booster.” I donate to Auburn. I gave the same amount this year that I did last year. I don’t care if Cam Newton is on the team or not.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:27 PM
if you have a trait that people want to be around, be it through sports, academia, fine arts, etc, you’re going to be compensated more than the average student who spends thursday thru sunday in a drunken haze be it by legal or illegal means.
yes, its called a scholarship.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:28 PM
im pretty sure they end up paying for that education many times over by what they bring into the university.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:28 PM
get up stand up, stand up for your right. get up, stand up, don’t give up the fight.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Too busy to look this up myself, but do any of these reports or articles factor in the fact that a LOT of schools have a LOT of their programs bankrolled by college football revenues? Paying the players sounds nice, and I am all for it, but it’s not like the monies these schools makes is being blown on yachts, NYC penthouses, miniature giraffes, and mountains of cocaine. Sounds to me like if we paid every student athlete, then we wouldn’t have enough money to cover the operating losses that a number of college sports saddle their respective university with year in and year out.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Torres is a man of the people. Burrows is savvy.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Though I accept the argument for compensating players for using their image, etc. (like Spencer noted) I don’t quite see how paying players is going to change what’s going on right now at all. It’s not like players are exchanging memorabilia for food and clothing and stuff like that.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
im pretty sure they end up paying for that education many times over by what they bring into the university.
What value do we place on the network of contacts they meet during their time at school? Do these contacts provide athletes with options that the average student doesn’t have?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
I like that point of view, because it’s what changed my mind, and it’s a fairly well-written post. I fully enjoy getting my stipend in addition to tuition and education, and it does cover more than simple room/board. I receive it not because science and medicine is more important than athletics, but because my research brings in grant money, and publications (publicity) to my school.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Question, would this whole “play the players” thing happen at ALL Division I football schools? Or just the ones with TV deals and mega-rich boosters?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:30 PM
I love the free market approach in nearly everything. But not in this. It may be idealistic and a bit naive to argue in favor of amateurism, but I’m going to .
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:30 PM
yes, its called a scholarship.
And free room, and free board (and much better board plans and facilities than most average students get), and free access to world class training equipment and trainers, and academic support staff, and….
You get the point.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
i think everyone will have their own opinion on this.
My thought: Why would you pay them?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Oh please. Because the Bruins have never done anything “filthy” or “classless.” Or any other team for that matter.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
As I understand it TBL and Duffy wish for sports that can’t prop themselves up to be eliminated since they don’t seem to understand what a non-profit organization (which athletic departments are) actually is
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Pay the writers! At least give CRM some scraps.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:32 PM
It’s Murphy not having the stones to lay down a suspension in the Cup Finals. Plain and simple. If it were Campbell, there would have been a greater likelihood Burrows is watching from the press box.
/shakes head
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:32 PM
They can’t pay the players because of the logistics.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Spurrier’s plan is actually to pay the players per game from the coaches salary.
effectively, reduce the coaches salary a few hundred thousand and pay the players per game from that pool.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
I agree. I’m not fully on board yet with the paying athletes thing, but I dont think that every PhD program has a stipend, depending on how important your program is to the school (someone not in science correct me if that is wrong…)
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Pop-up ad$ on this web$ite are the be$t
I can only assume this is super annoying. I downloaded that Adblock, and it’s totally awesome.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
about the same value we place on network of met contacts law school students and med school students and finance students and…
lame.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Mike Murphy: “I can find no conclusive evidence that Alex Burrows intentionally bit the finger of Patrice Bergeron.”
Reverse-Colin Campbell-ruling on Bruins games-conspiracy!
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Do they? How do we know? What’s the control factor? A 6-6 season. How much money does Auburn make in a 6-6 season? And then we go undefeated and win a national title. Our revenue increases by X amount. Is it THAT much more than the 6-6 season? How do we attribute who brought in the additional revenue? Was it 1/3 Cam, 1/3 Fairly, 1/15th Dyer? Are we arguing life isn’t fair so players should be paid because they bring in revenue, but should all players then be considered equal, or are we going to go on the fair model and distribute money based on talent and individual success? Do you have to sign a contact to ensure such a thing when you agree to receive a scholarship? What if you are a big-time recruit who is going to generate money right off the bat in your opinion? Why sign the same scholarship as the 3 star TE?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:36 PM
im pissed i had to use the gen ed lab instead of the big one on campus where they do all the cool shit with teslas the physics majors used. WAHHHH!!!
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:36 PM
im pretty sure they end up paying for that education many times over by what they bring into the university.
then what do you propose? 25K a year on average is not enough already? and no- other sports dont bitch about this as much as fooball players.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
I love this line of reasoning in this context and yet I would bet that TBL and Duffy are both pro-union.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
i think everyone will have their own opinion on this.
My thought: Why would you pay them?
It seems to me, TBL, that it’s an issue of basic fairness. If you were to pay players who received athletic scholarships beyond a certain percentage, say starting at 33% upward to 100%, then that would be an argument and it would be fair because it cuts across all sports. It’s not an argument I would agree with as I am squarely in the “they ARE already paid camp”, but it would be more valid than saying “Football brings in money, swimming doesn…so?”
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
Fatass Phil Foolmer.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
If you’re Cam Newton sure. But what about the 4th string tight end? He doesnt bring in shit yet still gets a full ride.
So now you want to not only pay players, but pay certain ones more? When do you pay Cam? As a JUCO transfer who might not even start, is he getting paid in August? Then as a Heisman winner in December, are you paying him then?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
The only unfair thing about being a top athlete at a top football program is the money the university generates from merchandising. And even then it’s a very small percentage of players that are taken advantage of in the current system. Players shouldn’t EVER be paid to play in an actual game. NEVER EVER EVER
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Even undergrads. You get out of college what you put in. If you can’t make contacts it’s because you wanted to drink and party more than study and join clubs, go to alumni association events etc. (I assume) football players have to get up Sat mornings for practices (or games) when others are still sleeping/hung over. College is about access to awesome events/networks/facilities/coaches-faculty for everyone….
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
im pissed i had to use the gen ed lab instead of the big one on campus where they do all the cool shit with teslas the physics majors used. WAHHHH!!!
If you were a physics major, then you probably should have been.
Do they even know what physics is at UNT?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
thats why they get a paid for education
How could you call these kids students? That guy from BYU had sex with his girlfriend and it make international news and swayed Vegas lines. Last I checked sales for Poly Sci Student #4575 jerseys were less than $300,000. Chemistry profs aren’t fired for not being able to charm high school students. Infuriating to explain to someone how Student-Athletes are professional athletes sans fair compensation and not just some Kyle Bonghit undeclared.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
im pissed i had to use the gen ed lab instead of the big one on campus where they do all the cool shit with teslas the physics majors used. WAHHHH!!!
no one cares what you had to use. the point is, they get everything paid for in addition to access to things you wont.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
What if you start paying the players in one program, say football, then that program stops making as much money, do you adjust? Just stop? Then what if another program, say mens basketball starts bringing in more and more money, do you willy nilly decide to pay those players until they stop bringing in a certain amount? This whole idea is fucked.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Know why they won’t pay the players? Title IX. You start paying football players, all the sports and especially women’s sports will raise holy hell.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:39 PM
correction, in keeping with the spirit of the post, make that Fata$$ Phil Foolmer.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:40 PM
They need to make it illegal to force these slaves to play football. They should be allowed to work.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:40 PM
THN names the Wings the best franchise is the league.
/obligatory
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Slightly off topic, but how many athletes from the ‘non-premium’ sports participate in the Olympics for the US?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:41 PM
i think that was one of the classes i skipped a lot.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:42 PM
/only had to take two science classes in college. Opted for chemistry and nutrition. Win for me
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:42 PM
FWIW… grad students at Vanderbilt get full tuition, plus $26K(ish) a year, plus health insurance, and professional liability insurance if applicable. They generally have two years of classes, followed by 3-4 years of lab work where they do research, go to seminars, and use facebook/blogs between 40-60 hours a week.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:42 PM
i got to use the recording studios on campus that non-music majors didn’t get to use and also got scholarships. is that equally unfair? should ms. nursing student get to record her rap album because she pays tuition?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:43 PM
i think that was one of the classes i skipped a lot.
Same here.
/Physics 1301 was the only class I dropped in college.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:44 PM
me and you are gonna fight next Tuesday.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:44 PM
i hated science all thru school.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:44 PM
The NCAA needs to seriously consider the Olympic model.
Seriously, this makes the most sense. Let the athletes market themselves and pitch products. If colleges are against this then they are just pimps who want total control of their whores.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:44 PM
about the same value we place on network of met contacts law school students and med school students and finance students and…
lame.
I can only speak from personal experience, but the alumni connections I met through playing varsity athletics is much more valuable than the average finance student I was attending classes with.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:45 PM
i got to use the recording studios on campus that non-music majors didn’t get to use and also got scholarships. is that equally unfair? should ms. nursing student get to record her rap album because she pays tuition?
The answer to this is that it’s not equally unfair. Most students are on a meal plan with the university, but your average Joseph H. Schmuckus IV isn’t going to get the same cafeteria food that the starting quarterback on the football team is. Not every college student is interested in recording a rap album however.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:45 PM
What was that? I was close to a physics minor and just couldn’t find any reason to take quantum (I think it was called ‘modern physics’)
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:45 PM
no. she should be working the local strip joint putting herself through nursing school.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 PM
The only unfair thing about being a top athlete at a top football program is the money the university generates from merchandising. And even then it’s a very small percentage of players that are taken advantage of in the current system. Players shouldn’t EVER be paid to play in an actual game. NEVER EVER EVER
I’m gonna +2 this. I agree. I could consider a small uniform stipend that was part of a scholarship. I also don’t buy this hokey math that tells me how much an individual player is worth to a school. I don’t pay my football ticket for any one particular player, and I would suspect that is true of most fans.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 PM
If you’re not a science major and you take physics in college, just drop out.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Gay Focker gets no respect.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 PM
WWoS – where are you in school right now and what are you studying?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
sadly, you could pay guys at Syracuse and they still wouldn’t win a damn thing
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Nice. I only dropped one. Was going for a History minor at Auburn for a little while (shut it, Husker) and had a class that essentially (I thought) covered Reconstruction/the Redemption in the South and the year following through WW2. Some woman turned out to be the professor and all she talked about on the first day was women’s suffrage. I dropped it that day.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
That may be true, but I still met quite a few people in undergrad, and as a grad student, am able to network with a large number of leaders in my field(s). I think networking is there for everyone who puts in the effort.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
They had a pretty easy version of physics at my school, the prof even called it “Physics for Poets”
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM
i got to use the recording studios on campus that non-music majors didn’t get to use and also got scholarships. is that equally unfair? should ms. nursing student get to record her rap album because she pays tuition?
no, but if football players were really into recording solo records on the side, i bet they would have a more badass studio than you got to jam in. as bill maher would say, “false equivalency”
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Physics 1301 was the only class I dropped in college
I tried Graduate level engineering math and Transport Phenomena. Dropped both of those pretty fucking quickly.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:48 PM
I’m guessing a little article called title IX would probably have something to do with it.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Molecular genetics grad student at Vanderbilt. (so much for the anonymity, but nobody reads the comments anyway, right?)
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Are you stealing Patton Oswalt’s line or did they actually call the class that name?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Know why they won’t pay the players? Title IX. You start paying football players, all the sports and especially women’s sports will raise holy hell.
A buddy of mine currently in Law School told me that they have this discussion a few times a year and Title IX always comes up.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Awesome job, man! That really is a big fuckin deal.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
so would mr. or ms. rich daddy/mommy, but we’re not bitching about them getting unfair advantages, are we?
i couldnt disagree more.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
The divvying of profits from the sale of Notre Dame No. 3 jerseys could be quite complicated.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
Those high school football games can bring in a pretty good haul, between the gate and the concessions. I wont be happy until 16 year olds are also getting new rims for playing a voluntary sport.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
I tried to take Chem 1, took the first two test and my combined score didn’t add up to 100, so I dropped immediately.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
This was the nickname for the class, and it was back in ’01 so Im assuming predates Oswalt’s standup
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
That may be true, but I still met quite a few people in undergrad, and as a grad student, am able to network with a large number of leaders in my field(s).
As did I. You (not you specifically) had to create your own network, the alumni network is already in place and you get access simply by putting on the sweater of the university/college.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM
Ha. I wouldn’t touch either of those (though I did take 4 years of calc as an elective). Weirdest class I took was Molecular Biophysics, and I’m pretty sure I got an A without ever being able to explain what the class was even about, or what I was supposed to be learning. Strange professor…
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
nice…my cousin just got a full ride to vandy and will be starting in the fall. pre-med and classical piano performance double major.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
What was that? I was close to a physics minor and just couldn’t find any reason to take quantum (I think it was called ‘modern physics’)
It was Intro. to Physics. Nothing too complicated, I just didn’t try very hard.
The sciences I did take in college were archaeology, geology, and electrical engineering for liberal arts majors.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:51 PM
damn dude, major props.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
that…and paying the players won’t prevent them from taking even more money and off the books perks from people. so you’re eventually back to square one, where the top players are still breaking the rules b/c they can and b/c those perks will never stop being offered.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
WWoS, what did you this of this article posted on the AM Roundup?
http://nymag.com/health/features/aids-cure-2011-6/
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
As a person who couldn’t afford college and had to join the military to get college paid for, I think that a free scholarship, room, and free meals for 4 years is good enough.
Yes it sucks that they are making money for the school that they TECHNICALLY don’t see, but the school is also putting them on national TV essentially allowing them to display their talents for future jobs.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Thanks man… with any luck I’m done in about a year, and my commenting will take a dramatic drop-off.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
same except instead of geology i did a music-curriculum science that dealt with sound waves and shit.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM
i couldnt disagree more.
So what you’re saying is, you recorded a rap album in college spencer?
/imagines what Snow sounds like much slower.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
This is what it comes down to. The fans are sopping it up because of what’s on the helmet, not on the back of the jersey.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
The Pirates were up 7-0, now are down 9-7.. as you were.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
so would mr. or ms. rich daddy/mommy, but we’re not bitching about them getting unfair advantages, are we?
mr rich daddy’s kid is different because he has the skill of being born to rich parents. and to that end, he gets everything paid for like an athlete.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
I figure it was a common nickname but had to ask. Oswalt actually started standup in the late 80s/early 90s though
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:54 PM
If ms. nursing student can spit a fire 16, then hell yea put her in that booth
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:54 PM
this is my handle, this is my glock.
couterpointing on the internet like my name is bach.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Weirdest class I took was Molecular Biophysics.
The most abstract class I ever took was undergrad Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics.It was WAY too theoretical.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
That won’t last. Almost impossible to pull of a double major in those fields unless your cousin plans on doing nothing but studying and practicing for 4 years.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
personally, i see being born to rich parents and being born with d-1 level athletic gifts as being similar winners of the genetic lottery.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Spence was the Average Homeboy
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:55 PM
You missed my not-so-humblebrag yesterday, I guess. I suggested bone-marrow transplants as a cure for HIV in 2005 back when I was in med school. The prof didn’t think much of it then, but now it’s gaining traction.
Unfortunately, the procedure is still really dangerous, but I think taking HIV-resistant T cells and engineering them so you can inject them without full bone-marrow transplant (you’ll see the term ‘chimera’ a lot) is a legit idea.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:56 PM
If the NCAA are unwilling to compensate players the following should happen:
1. Cannot use players likeness for profit without compensation. No old NCAA commercials, No ESPN classic, EA sports, merchandise ect while attending school and afterwards.
2. Cannot prevent these kids from getting jobs.
3. Players should not give interviews, press conferences or any promotional work of any kind.
4. No transfer penalty
5. Jerseys and equipment should not promote any brand without compensation
Off the top of my head, I’m sure there is more.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:56 PM
/wishes he could go back to 2000 and start college over with a new major and school
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Thanks man… with any luck I’m done in about a year, and my commenting will take a dramatic drop-off.
You sound like you’re a few years ahead of me, except I’m a liberal arts kiddo. Just finished a terminal Masters focusing social and intellectual history. About to start a thesis with one of my old professors. I’m looking at going back to being a full time grad student in two years.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
i couldnt disagree more
WRONG! i am white, and yearned to play crappy 2 note guitar songs to drunk chicks at dive bars.
i wanted to punch those talentless ass clowns in the scrote.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Should’ve filled out that FAFSA, dude.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
that’s what i told her…there’s almost no way to even finish a music major in 4 years anyways unless you go to a conservatory. most of my classes that were 3x a week i only got 1 credit hour for. you’d have to take summer classes and a brutal courseload…5 years is realistic, 5.5 more likely.
plus, she doesn’t have the technique yet to keep up in classical piano. she’s good enough to do competitions and shit now, but she’ll get killed by her teachers and in juries.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
I took history of baseball senior year, counted as an english class since we read books like 8 men out. junior year i took sports literature, also english, and one highlight was we listened to a NPR broadcast from a cock fighting farm in Mexico, then read an essay on it.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Only one of those scores is surprising.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:57 PM
his cousin is going to play bars in Nashville on the weekends and I’m going to be her manager. we’ve already discussed this, haven’t we spencer?
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
No one cares, but this issue (along with a couple other things) has inspired me to begin writing again, so my first blog post will likely be on this topic.
I’d just like to point out that I made bank as a track athlete in college simply by wisely saving my per diem on travel trips. My school paid for almost every extracurricular activity and alcoholic beverage during a track season that I was competing in. I wasn’t even on scholarship.
That said, I’m not necessarily opposed to some sort of small compensation for major contributors to high revenue sports, but straight up paying players is going to be a disaster.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
personally, i see being born to rich parents and being born with d-1 level athletic gifts as being similar winners of the genetic lottery.
i agree, must have missed your point.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
miz…we did, but then i signed with someone else after a year and tore up our deal.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Should’ve filled out that FAFSA, dude.
It wasn’t around when I graduated.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Keep at it! I just have to finish my thesis and re-enroll for a semester and I can get my Master’s. I stopped working on it in late 2009 and then didn’t touch it at all last year during my trip to life hell and back. I gotta get it done though. I spent way too much time and money not to finish the thesis and get that mofo diploma
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Should’ve filled out that FAFSA, dude.
That only gets you so far. After that, especially if you’re looking at private schools, you need some scholarships or institutional money to go with what the feds give you.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
You missed my not-so-humblebrag yesterday, I guess. I suggested bone-marrow transplants as a cure for HIV in 2005 back when I was in med school. The prof didn’t think much of it then, but now it’s gaining traction.
Bravo!
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Yes. WHile certain players stand out, I put forth my money for the team not a certain individual.
I am in favor of increasing the “cost of attendance” that goes into an athletic scholarship to allow for a few extra hundred dollars each semester. However keep in mind these poor football players get per diem on road trips. Have you ever experienced per diem? It’s basically a shit load of money for you to get food with, but the players are left over with money just from that. And cut the shit with the “I can’t even buy the players a meal” argument. There are rules in place now that allow a coach, staff member, and even booster to provide a meal to an athlete on an occasional basis.
June 2nd, 2011 at 3:59 PM
I’d just like to point out that I made bank as a track athlete in college simply by wisely saving my per diem on travel trips. My school paid for almost every extracurricular activity and alcoholic beverage during a track season that I was competing in. I wasn’t even on scholarship.
i was in the exact same boat for a while. what did you run?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I was one class short of having a chemistry minor but knew I wouldn’t be able to handle Quantitative Analysis lab so I didn’t go for the double minor. So dumb of me…
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Good luck with that. I actually enjoy the lifestyle mostly, since it’s flexible and I like working weekends and taking random days off during the week to golf. Not sure what the Lib Arts grad students responsibilities are though….
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
It wasn’t around when I graduated.
The FAFSA has been around for over 30 years…how old are you pki?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
duffy’s still got the best idea…money in a trust, loans against what you earn based of memorabilia and shit.
wouldn’t be fair, but life aint fair.
Said it before and I’ll say it again: they get paid in pussy, so they can all kiss my ass.
/Loved Phillip Fullmer in Law & Order
//Guh-gong-gonk!
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:00 PM
I hope you enjoy lawsuits.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
It technically wasn’t what it is today, but even if I had gotten something like this (97 graduate) I still would have had to pay a lot of money out of pocket.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
I kind of go back and forth on the issue of paying athletes. Yes, they do help schools make a ton of money. But then on the other side is, what do they need the money for? Dorm rooms, meals and such are covered under scholarship (I’d imagine). As an undergrad, if I ever needed money for anything (which was rarely, since I ate on campus with my meal plan) then I’d do work study. So maybe it would be fair to treat sports as work study, as long as the sport is one that produces enough revenue for a school. That’s where things get dicey, who deserves to the stipends.
As for the phd’s who get their stuff covered, I can only envy you. I’m in a program where I’m on the hook for everything (although I have a full time career as well), but it’s a newer program and hasn’t been active in grant-seeking research. If a school does generate a lot of grant money, and PhD students are involved in that research, it’s only fair they get a cut somehow, so the analogy to athletes is valid.
Either way, the nature of these big time athletics makes it so hard to avoid some level of corruption, so no plan will be perfect or totally fair.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
too bad for you I had your cousin sign an additional contract with my booking services.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
I was a music education major going into college and bailed after one year because I got smoked by my teachers and in the juries. I was always good in high school but never had the initiative to practice. When college came, it wasn’t fun anymore so I changed majors and kept on playing in band and orchestra for fun (and easy 1 credit classes). My brother just graduated from Ithaca College with a double major in Music education and Music Performance. I’m proud of the guy. He’s had a lot more drive and ambition in music than I ever had. Now he’ll be in Cleveland in the fall for grad school.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:01 PM
WHAT IF THEY’RE GAY? then a) they’re not getting paid and b) do you really want them kissing your ass?
/lazy devil’s advocate
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:02 PM
no shit? where at?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:02 PM
I wish the article was Phil Fulmer agreeing after all these years that, yes, you can not spell “Citrus” without the U and the T
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
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Chemical Oceanography. At first you are like, it’s just seawater FFS. BY the end your mind is blown. And the professor wrote the textbook and looked like Mr. Bookman from Seinfeld.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Not sure what the Lib Arts grad students responsibilities are though….
It depends on the program, but later on most require that a student start lecturing to undergraduate classes.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
ran the 800 primarily with the occasional 1500 and 400 thrown in there. I was the quickest distance guy at the 400.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Spence – missed that you said your cousin was starting here. I didn’t realize pre-med was a major here (my school it was just a focus) but good luck for her. Vandy looks favorably upon it’s own undergrads for med admission, and especially on non-traditional (English, Piano) majors, so she should be in good shape.
PS: Congrats on her not going to the more traditional music school, Belmont… where all the hot but really stuck up bitches go.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:03 PM
too bad tennessee contracts are apparently as legally binding as scotch tape.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:04 PM
what’d you run, Menarky?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:04 PM
Cleveland State
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:04 PM
WHAT IF THEY’RE GAY? then a) they’re not getting paid and b) do you really want them kissing your ass?
GAY athletes? That’s the craziest notion I ever heard of…
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:05 PM
belmont is a cool school for music.
im just glad she’s going to vandy and not notre dame.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:06 PM
WHAT IF THEY’RE GAY? then a) they’re not getting paid and b) do you really want them kissing your ass?
/lazy devil’s advocate
(Shakes fist in Spencer’s direction.)
Hey, they’re bound to get SOME kind of ass. But like I said, you and Duffy made a good point earlier, which I can go along with.
/Grits teeth
//Bares it
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:06 PM
This was Advanced Calculus for me, take everything they teach you in first semester calculus and prove why the formulas and theories you’re given are true…greatest D I ever got since they said that was good enough to count towards the math major
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:06 PM
Had a buddy that went there. Used to drive up from Auburn a couple times a year. Never saw a hot chick.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:06 PM
I’m in Florida. the gigs are in TN. you = thwarted.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:06 PM
for music? rut roh…best of luck. hope the dept gotten a LOT better than when i was there. some really good teachers who know their shit for sure (esp in music education), but the administration is as retarded as it gets.
they botched up TWO transfers on their end that caused me an extra semester of school. fuck that noise and fuck them.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:07 PM
what’d you run, Menarky?
200 and 400, with the occasional indoor 60.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Husker, I’m sorry I called you a COD nerd in that other post.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Why you go to school in Nashville = it’s not Knoxville
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:08 PM
not really, im sure i’ll be able to find a bunch of compliance issues in your documents due to shoddy quality control and poor spelling education if i know the lawyer you plan on using…
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Kaboom, as one would say.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Could we agree that nike/reebok et all should compensate all uniformed players for displaying their brand?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:08 PM
not really, im sure i’ll be able to find a bunch of compliance issues in your documents due to shoddy quality control and poor spelling education if i know the lawyer you plan on using…
/moderation’d
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:08 PM
que?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:09 PM
He got accepted at CSU, Maryland, and San Francisco Conservatory but CSU is the one who offered him an assistantship. He would have loved to go out to SF but just wasn’t financially wise
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I loved my biology of bacteria class. Antibiotic resistance is fascinating.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
wtf? FUCK NO. nike pays the school and that shit gets reinvested into the facilities and shit. they get TONS of perks from free clothes too, so NO NO NO, they’re fine here.
the video game thing pisses me off tho.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
I’ve been to Nashville and Knoxville and I would take Nashville 1,000,000,000 times over Knoxville
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
sheeeeeit. Trey aint touching any contract I write up. I just took Business Law. I’m dangerous now!
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Could we agree that nike/reebok et all should compensate all uniformed players for displaying their brand?
hell no. i ran in nike and got compensated with all the free badass equipment i needed. thats enough.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM
No worries. It takes quite a lot to offend me, anyway. Not a big video game player at all anymore. Old age has gotten to me.
/not smoking pot probably has something to do with it as well
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Surprising. The hottest girl I’ve met in Nashville (besides my wife of course!) is a Belmont chick.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:11 PM
I’ve lived in Knoxville and my wife is from Nashville. city proper? Nashville. region? Knoxville, hands down.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Today’s archive blast from the past:
http://web.archive.org/web/20081222135731/http://thebiglead.com/?p=10249
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Nashville is a nice place to be. It’s about as big as city as I’d enjoy. I’ve gotten lucky though because I came from a small rural New England town and went to Pittsburgh undergrad (and I loved that city, running my first marathon there next year) and now Nashville, which is really nice and has a lot of things to do.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:13 PM
I was mostly just kidding in my rant. But long rants on here come off as awfully aggressive.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Could we agree that nike/reebok et all should compensate all uniformed players for displaying their brand?
No, not even a little bit.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:13 PM
mmmmm, Rotier’s.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:14 PM
-1 point for Pigeon Forge
+1 for Smoky Mountain Brewery (though unpasteurized so can only get the beer from there)
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:14 PM
One of the good things about western NY are the colleges. Buffalo and Rochester have some amazing schools (if anyone ever wants to go to grad school up here)
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:14 PM
mmmmm,
Rotier’sGabby’s with sweet potato fries.Hands down.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Today’s archive blast from the past:
http://web.archive.org/web/20081222135731/http://thebiglead.com/?p=10249
I don’t feel like I’ve seen sponge-worthy in a long time.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:16 PM
TJ
I think I’ll stay out of the Heat-Mavs thread tonight. Heaven forbid that insecure douche orly from Miami gets all pissed because i don’t suck Lebron’s dick like he does.
/TJ
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Or BrianBridgePro.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:17 PM
I’m just happy I haven’t been in any of the TBL flash back posts.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:19 PM
jay v…you have your next request right hyah.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:19 PM
please. you don’t ever accidentally end up in Pigeon Forge…you go there on purpose.
they distribute their tasty beer to multiple restaurants in Knoxville. I used to get hammered from two glasses of Mountain Light at Copper Cellar on burger Wednesdays (1. I’m a lightweight; 2. it’s served in a large glassl 3. it’s got a higher alcohol content; and 4. I’d go in on an empty stomach usually).
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:20 PM
he’s on twitter. but, I don’t think he’s tweeted in a long while.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:21 PM
BOOB SEX!! BOOB SEX!! BOOB SEX!!
Or if it can be found the origin of BSanders using FACE FUCK! over and over again would be appreciated
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:21 PM
If anyone comes up to Cooperstown to visit the baseball hall of fame, you have to travel a few miles out of town to the Omeggang Brewery. Belgian beer!
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Maybe it’s the Ontario liquor prices talking but I think the students need compensation. However if I went to school where I could buy 60 ounces of vodka for $15 I would feel differently.
/$16 bottles of Sambucca and $5 Max Ice 40′s puts empathy in your heart.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:23 PM
hey soused, is The Beer Store just an Ontario thing or are they all across Canada?
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:24 PM
/vomits
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Latest tweet from Shane Battier:
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:25 PM
BOOB SEX!! BOOB SEX!! BOOB SEX!!
Or if it can be found the origin of BSanders using FACE FUCK! over and over again would be appreciated
Motherfuckingseconded!
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Jesus, what the fuck is going on with these brain tumors?
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AgkcGoSY2nlq_f8WgV_eyfE5nYcB?slug=ap-leaf-brainsurgery
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:26 PM
I need to get an invitation to this party ASAP.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:26 PM
wouldnt it be hilarious if everyone at the aac in dallas had delonte west masks? the ticket suggested that, and man is that awesome.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:26 PM
If anyone comes up to Cooperstown to visit the baseball hall of fame, you have to travel a few miles out of town to the Omeggang Brewery. Belgian beer!
I love Omeggang. One of my favorite American breweries right now. Hennepin is nearly a perfect beer in my opinion.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:28 PM
oh Shane Battier. 1. you used the wrong term. 2. There was nothing super about that group.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Dawg it’s all the cell phones yo
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:28 PM
my son, please watch your language. this is why your prayers do not get answered.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:29 PM
you can fuck right off. Color Me Badd was spectacular. Also, I’m 100% sure he was joking when he said “supergroup.”
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Dawg it’s all the cell phones yo
/moves cell phone away from crotch.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:30 PM
my son, please watch your language. this is why your prayers do not get answered.
thats so stupid, its hilarious.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:30 PM
The musical choices of your childhood do not surprise me!
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Hennepin is nearly a perfect beer in my opinion.
Seconded. this is liquid gold.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:30 PM
$16 bottle for 26 ounces of bad Sambucca. I used to stink of that stuff.
The Beer Store is Ontario only. There is something similar in the Western Provinces. The Beer store is the unholy union of Anheuser-Busch – Labatt – In Bev – Molson Coors only competing against the strictly government run LCBO. People who love beer more often will go to the LCBO as they have more open selection.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Somebody directed people to the roundup and I made the mistake of reading that part and it’s lowered my productivity today. When SG said she doesn’t get how “a big bag of fat on my chest would be attractive”. I work for a while then I think, why doesn’t she just say “a bag of fat on my chest”, why does she have to say big? I work for a while and stop – I mean is it impossible to describe them without using big? … work some more…How big are they that big has to be included.
/working of a man’s mind
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Today’s archive blast from the past:
http://web.archive.org/web/20081222135731/http://thebiglead.com/?p=10249
Tim Ryan (TheSportsHernia) has been officially re-christened back to SH in my mind
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
You just don’t like them because no one has ever wanted to sex you up.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
I drove to Toronto Airport a couple times and was amused by a store called “The Beer Store” along the QEW
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:33 PM
You like to call yourself with your phon eon vibrate, don’t you
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:33 PM
If anyone ever said they wanted to “sex you up”, you would laugh in their face. Admit it
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:34 PM
You like to call yourself with your phon eon vibrate, don’t you
After seeing that WHO report that came out this week…not anymore.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:35 PM
/working of a man’s mind
Needs more cringing at the thought of seeing another hideous vagina
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:35 PM
We’d probably running man out of the club straight to his bed.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:36 PM
I saw this Brazilian porn star whose vagina looked like it had been donkey punched by lennox lewis. Disgusting
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:36 PM
we need to dig up an old thread where Jesus would show up. those were classic.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:39 PM
I saw this Brazilian porn star whose vagina looked like it had been donkey punched by lennox lewis. Disgusting
I think this is where the distinction needs to be made. A vagina is not, as 3rdman was saying, inherently gross to look at. Methinks he has some associative issues he needs to work out. But it is certainly possible for there to be a vagina which is rather unattractive. Sharon Mitchell, for example, starred in over 2,000 adult films in her career. I have absolutely no desire to see what her vagina looks like.
And there’s the distinction.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:40 PM
strangely, i kinda do.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:41 PM
OMG, this one is priceless:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080509072847/http://thebiglead.com/?p=5716
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:41 PM
strangely, i kinda do.
The internet is your oyster then my friend.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:42 PM
how come comment 24′s meme never stuck but my creed one did? FUCK THAT.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:42 PM
A vagina is not, as 3rdman was saying, inherently gross to look at.
Yessir. I don’t know who Sharon Mitchell is but I know there is some porn star I’ve seen in lots of late 90s stuff that has an absolutely gigantic set of lips on her vag. It looks like somebody glued them onto a barbie doll. Still, I find myself staring every time she exposes herself.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:42 PM
The internet is your oyster then my friend
it probably looks like an oyster
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:44 PM
Ah, but comment 29 DID stick, lol.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:47 PM
jay v…seriously, that post is awesome. great find.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:48 PM
it probably looks like an oyster
This was funny. Nicely done.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Somebody wake up Zeus and ask him if I care about this…
/never heard of him
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Glad I refreshed before posting that same thing, haha
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:52 PM
What I got from that post was that Big Nuts was lame.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Hilarious — this shit is still going on? I actually think some are pretty and some not so much….like faces, etc. I just meant if you take the sexuality out of them…not that you can or want to. And if a guy says this he has associative issues but if a girl says the same about cock, not so much?
and 3,2,1…
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Hahaha! I thought the same thing.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:55 PM
So you like your nuts small then, duly noted.
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Jesus, however, was decidedly NOT lame.
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:02 PM
What I got from that post:
117sportsgal116 Says:
Whoa, whoa, whoa… don’t we have a commenter age limit? (says the girl who lies about her age to land young tail)
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Looking at those old posts makes me realize that I should change my avatar soon.
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:03 PM
Classic sportsgal quote:
Alright, then I technically do not fit the cougar definition. But I felt like a cougar when I made out with a 21 yr old in a bank vestibule a couple months ago.
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:03 PM
I was on a mad tear in 2008…
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:04 PM
Alright, then I technically do not fit the cougar definition. But I felt like a cougar when I made out with a 21 yr old in a bank vestibule a couple months ago.
I think this topic came up a lot around that time frame.
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:08 PM
A bank vestibule? Fucking random.
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:11 PM
Holy fucking shit…you have been commenting daily like this for over 3 years? Now I understand….
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:13 PM
Holy fucking shit…you have been commenting daily like this for over 3 years? Now I understand….
I think I started in 06?
/Wish I could remember exactly when
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:20 PM
I met the sportsgal in 2009. Shucks.
/snaps fingers
June 2nd, 2011 at 5:22 PM
Did she punch you in the balls?
June 2nd, 2011 at 6:41 PM
Always in interesting discussion. I’m sort of in the middle. One, they are in fact getting paid. Anyone who has had to foot the bill for their own education knows how valuable a full ride is. Two, it’s not the athlete that earns this money it’s the brand. People keep bringing up Cam Newton like Auburn just scored Harvard’s endowment because Cam Newton played for them. Fact is, Jordan Hare was packed before Cam Newton was there and it will be packed long after he’s gone. Kids will still be rocking Auburn jerseys and buying EA Video games. The brands have value because america is obsessed with football and these school’s are graduating and accepting new fans every year and will continue to do so into perpetuity. Three, what sports get to participate, does each athlete get the same take, if not how in the hell do you quantify it? If you recruit a 5 star RB and agree to pay him X, can you nullify that contract when he blows his knee 1st week of fall ball? What about the walk-on that becomes an all-american? How about USC all-american vs. UCLA all-american? Do you pay the USC guy less because he is already being compensated more by attending a more expensive private school? The complexity needed to provide a fair market value would make the US tax code blush.
My solution, one or two things have to change. One, let athletes have jobs, currently they are only allowed jobs in the summer. However, since sports is such a time commitment that isn’t necessarily feasible so instead pay them what a typical student could earn working a part time job. Let say your typical college waiter/bartender gets 10-15/hr and works 20-30 hours a week so on the low end $800/mo with a high of $1800/mo, reality is probable somewhere in between. Think that’s unfair? Tough shit. Go take a look at what a minor league baseball player that wasn’t one of the few that cashed a Bryce Harper bonus check. Those dudes aren’t rolling in dough and they certainly don’t have a free education to fall back on when they eventually fail.
As for Duffy’s future loan plan? Get out of here with that. Do you have any idea how many bad loans that would lead to? Go look at recruiting ranking and compare that with actual success. I can only assume Duffy didn’t spend a lot of time around athletes over there at big blue. I did, and I can assure you as freshman every single one of them thought they were first round draft picks. If given the option a large majority of those idiots would have taken out a huge loan, bought a range rover and a rolex and most would have been broke as can be come graduation or drop out time and running from debt collectors and hiding from the repo man. I consider myself a free market capitalist but I do believe that sometimes you need to protect the stupid from themselves.
June 2nd, 2011 at 6:45 PM
Wow, that was quite the rant. A lot of run-ons to boot. My apologies to all 3 people that may read that.
June 2nd, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Apology accepted. It was a pretty good read
June 3rd, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Duchess is on to something. I think. If being on the fence is something.