Sam Bradford’s Supporting Cast Was Bad, But Other Early Picks Have Dealt With Them Too
Sam Bradford has been praised for his rookie season, when he threw almost 600 passes as a rookie. I talked about the jury still being out on Bradford as his yards per attempt numbers were very low, and even though we know he had a bad supporting cast at receiver, we didn’t know how he would do yet with any talent. I also promised to look at how that supporting cast ranked compared to other rookies. So here we are.
I reviewed every rookie season since 1970 that was similar to Bradford’s by YPA, and where a quarterback threw 200 or more passes, and then looked at his receiving group. I used the approximate career value numbers at pro-football-reference to compare the groups, finding the average career rating of the top 3 receivers (usually WR1, WR2 and TE). A receiver group with a career rating of between 45-50 would probably be average. Above 60 would be a very good group, and below 30 would be a pretty poor group. As we can see, alot of rookies have played with a bad receiving corp in their first opportunity, and many of them, like Bradford, played for teams that had the first overall pick in the draft.
| First | Last | YPA | Receivers | ||
| Troy | Aikman | 5.97 | 15.7 | ||
| Steve | Walsh | 6.26 | 15.7 | ||
| Ryan | Leaf | 5.26 | 19.0 | ||
| Tim | Couch | 6.13 | 20.0 | ||
| Mike | Pagel | 5.80 | 23.7 | ||
| Ken | Dorsey | 5.45 | 25.3 | ||
| Oliver | Luck | 6.34 | 25.3 | ||
| Vince | Young | 6.16 | 25.7 | ||
| David | Carr | 5.84 | 29.0 | ||
| Joey | Harrington | 5.35 | 29.3 | ||
| Trent | Edwards | 6.06 | 31.3 | ||
| John | Elway | 6.42 | 35.7 | ||
| Drew | Bledsoe | 5.81 | 37.0 | ||
| Kerry | Collins | 6.27 | 38.3 | ||
| Jeff | George | 6.44 | 40.0 | ||
| Steve | Fuller | 5.50 | 40.0 | ||
| Rick | Mirer | 5.83 | 42.7 | ||
| Kyle | Boller | 5.63 | 42.7 | ||
| Neil | Lomax | 6.67 | 43.7 | ||
| Bernie | Kosar | 6.36 | 46.0 | ||
| Kyle | Orton | 5.08 | 48.3 | ||
| Heath | Shuler | 6.26 | 49.0 | ||
| Cade | McNown | 6.23 | 49.0 | ||
| Dan | Pastorini | 6.30 | 50.3 | ||
| Jim | Zorn | 5.86 | 52.0 | ||
| Chad | Hutchinson | 6.22 | 53.0 | ||
| Jeff | Komlo | 6.08 | 55.3 | ||
| David | Woodley | 5.66 | 63.0 |
Okay, so teammates matter. I don’t think that’s groundbreaking. The bottom of that list, those that played with average or better starting receivers but still put up well below average YPA numbers, is full of some guys that weren’t very good (Hutchingson, Komlo and Woodley). On balance, I would take the guys who put up similar numbers with bad supporting casts. But there’s no guarantee, and bad players can often make it difficult to tell whether the QB is part of the problem or solution.
Sure, Aikman struggled with a historically bad group of receivers as a rookie, but Steve Walsh put up similar number with the exact same group, and the rest of their careers diverged. Neither Couch nor Leaf had much help, and Couch put up slightly better numbers on an expansion team than Bradford last year, while Leaf was worse.
If I were to guess, since we don’t know how the players on Bradford’s team will turn out without the benefit of hindsight, I would say they would rank near the bottom of the list, in the Aikman/Leaf/Couch range. But historically worse than any other receiving group? No. Just bad, not way worse than what any other #1 pick dealt with. We don’t know if Amendola will turn out to be a decent slot receiver who plays for 5 or 6 more years, or whether Daniel Fells will at least be a 4 or 5 year guy in the league. Bradford also had the benefit of Steven Jackson, which is something that most of these guys didn’t have. Aikman and Walsh, for example, had Paul Palmer, before they added Emmitt the next season.
The lesson, I guess, is that teammates matter, and the Rams better get some people around him. I think Tim Couch could have been a decent quarterback if he didn’t get beat up early on, and played with any amount of decent receiving talent. And Aikman certainly took off once Irvin and Smith and Novacek came in. A quarterback can’t do it alone.
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May 12th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Nice fucking glasses.
/returns to read the post
May 12th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
CAPTION FIGHT!!!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Bedazzled safety glasses are the newest trend in eyewear.
/she’s on the phone again. I’m going to kill someone.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:17 PM
SG — You gotta make a move soon or people may die
May 12th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Wow that Cowboys team in ’89 was really bad.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
SG — You gotta make a move soon or people may die
“People. Are. DYING!”
/John Hammond’d
//Jurassic Park’d
May 12th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
Cade McNown was throwing to a group of AVERAGE receivers? I’ve watched two Bear games a year since 1992 and the ONLY person I remember being close to average was Curtis Conway.
Maybe I should watch more sports, but I can’t recall a serviceable Bears receiving corp.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
“People. Are. DYING!”
/John Hammond’d
//Jurassic Park’d
I always liked “Hold onto your butts” as my favorite JP quote. Or “Dino DNA!”
May 12th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
I think Bradford stole those glasses from Piggy. But does he have the conch?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
/she’s on the phone again. I’m going to kill someone.
She must be talking to the lady in my office as well
May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
fucking hipsters. I hate em.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Thick, black frames must GO AWAY
May 12th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Get off the phone!!!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
And Aikman certainly took off once Irvin and Smith and Novacek came in.
Hey, wait a second. Irvin was there in ’89 for the first 5 or 6 weeks. He was even doing OK before the knee injury.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Marcus Robinson had a couple good seasons if memory serves
May 12th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Tom Waddle was better than average and don’t you ever fucking forget it.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
“Remind me to thank John for a lovely weekend.”
May 12th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Thick, black frames must GO AWAY
Those actually look like machine cut steel frames to me. I’ll go away now
May 12th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Kronwall thinks those glasses suck.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
You and me both.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Lisk…I love the work here, and I am normally not the guy to point out mistakes…but you use the term “alot” quite frequently. It is 2 words “a lot”.
That is all.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
And, fwiw, Curt Conway was really good for a little while there, so that would bring the average up for Cade McNown
May 12th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
just got out of the car, was listening to cowherd. Wow, i have never heard anyone suck someone off as hard as he does leLabia. its pathetic at best.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Marty Booker.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
+1 greatest white WR per Deion Sanders of all-time
May 12th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Ed McCaffrey laughs at this statement.
Oh and fuck Deion.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
+1 greatest white WR per Deion Sanders of all-time
Knowing what we do about Deion, doesn’t this just mean they’re both runners for the same agency or something?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
He laughs because he knows it’s true. Ed McCaffrey licks dog shit off the bottom of Tom Waddle’s shoes.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
/Team Waddle
May 12th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
mantis – where you staying in Maui on your honeymoon? was just there in October for mine. Had some wonderful food, but if you can, make sure you go to Mama’s Fish House, it is a bit touristy but one of the coolest places I have eaten.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
Anybody else remember him breaking his leg (or arm or something) on MNF, Sept. 10, 2001, never to be heard from again? I always sort of felt bad for him for that.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
Duly noted.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
Thick, black frames must GO AWAY
I wear a narrower version of the frames and I look pretty cool.
Remove the glasses and he does look like a young Gilbert Gottfried
May 12th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
Really good? Slow down.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Yeah, people are just saying that to your face to be nice.
/jk
May 12th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Steve Largent
/First thing I did playing Atlanta for 4 seasons of Madden was to cut Finneran
May 12th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
There’s Wayne Chrebet and then there’s the discount rack as far as white WR go.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Tom Waddle:
Touchdowns 9
Receiving yards 2,109
Receptions 173
Ed McCaffrey
Receptions 565
Receiving Yards 7,422
Touchdowns 55
BOOM!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Conway seems to have been hurt quite a bit during 1999, McNown’s rookie year.
Conway’s 95 and 96 seasons were pretty good.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Don Beebe > Wayne Chrebet
May 12th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
The fuck is a Tom Waddle?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
yeah maybe in the “white guys under 5’8″ category.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Fact of the Day: In 2006, Curtis Conway was the emergency QB if Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey and Brandon Doman all got hurt. Have a friend who is a Niners fan and wanted to see them both blow a knee just to see what Conway would look like. He was also the Niners #1 WR that year at age 35.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
So Gilbert Gottfried and Steve-O have a child and he’s a football player named Sam? Good to know.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
That should read 2004, not 2006.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
Andy Reid, is that you?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
The lack of Bill Schroeder mentions in this thread is shameful
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Those were dark times. I don’t really like to relive that.
Fuck you Dennis Erickson. And fuck you too Terry Donahue.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
No Wes Welker?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Lance Alworth, however, is not laughing…neither is Steve Largent.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Sorry Devang I should read gooder.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
“People. Are. DYING!”
“Remind me to thank John for a lovely weekend.”
“When you gotta go, you gotta go.”
&
“Boy I hate it when I’m right all the time.”
/favorite Malcolm quotes
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
The more you know….
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
Pffffffffffft. How many of those receptions does Ed McCaffrey not remember because he got blasted over the middle by a linebacker? Tommy doesn’t remember 146 of his. Heart of a champion.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
a buddy of mine brought his younger brother over the other day who I had never met. total fucking hipster. goofy glasses, slicked over hair, skinny jeans, the whole nine yards. the look on his face when I loaded up a bowl and offered it to him was priceless. he didn’t know what to do. and no, he didn’t smoke it.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
All you Tom Waddle haters: watch this then go set yourself on fire.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Ruuuudy, Ruuuuudy, Ruuuudy!
May 12th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
No Phil McConkey love?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
He’ll come up when the system receivers conversation happens.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
On July 23, 2007, Conway married female boxer champ Laila Ali,
The more you know….
Talk about intimidating father-in-laws. Yeesh.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
5’8″ in heels maybe, and still the fucking man. You watch your fucking mouth or I’ll call your coworker.
/holds up phone
//puts finger in dial position
///glares at SG
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
damn right he isn’t. Baller.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
I am pretty sure Wayne Chrebet played the last 3 years of his career with just a light bulb in his head he was so fucked up.
/team Chrebet
//team Jersey Boys
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Anyone smoked out of one those gas mask things? I did for the first time last night and it was ummmm… weird. Fun thing to try, not sure if I’ll ever do it again. Gimme a fucking blunt and I’m golden.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
And the first comment from the Tom Waddle video….
May 12th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Career concussions for Tom Waddle: 4
Undiagnosed career concussions for Tom Waddle: roughly 174
I got that from the concussion warehouse of non-faggy players who played like champions in pro footballery. You can check it if you want. You will not besmirch the name of Tom Waddle or you’ll get the horns.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
You’re not playing fair right now, Devang….
May 12th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
“I can do it coach!”
-Tom Waddle
/just for the record, all these comments are in the sarcasm font
May 12th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
Lance Alworth, however, is not laughing
Damn right! Neither is Fred Biletnikoff
May 12th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
I think it moved when I heard Summerall and Madden announcing the game.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Best white wide receiver? Has to be Collinsworth.
/bigleadsports’d
May 12th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
+1 greatest white WR per Deion Sanders of all-time
Ed McCaffrey laughs at this statement.
Ray Elgaard.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
I think it moved when I heard Summerall and Madden announcing the game.
Sure it wasn’t a shift?
May 12th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Hyatt
May 12th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
My favorite Tom Waddle moment
May 12th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Read the rest of the comments. Tom Waddle’s brother says Tom Waddle thinks Ed McCaffrey was better but the only thing they have in common is being white. And he had John Elway throwing to him. So go fuck yourself. Seriously.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
yeah maybe in the “white guys under 5’8″ category.
Swoon!
/cj.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
The 1:03 mark pretty much says it all.
/points.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
‘All you Tom Waddle haters: watch this then go set yourself on fire.’
Would be like calling Timmy Smith the best black running back because of one game.
/closes zippo, goes to shower to wash off gasoline
May 12th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
+ low 7
May 12th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
Drew Bennett had that one crazy season when he had like 1200 yards and 10 TDs.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Read the rest of the comments. Tom Waddle’s brother says Tom Waddle thinks Ed McCaffrey was better but the only thing they have in common is being white. And he had John Elway throwing to him. So go fuck yourself. Seriously.
I really, really hope that there are security cameras at SG’s work…
May 12th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
This
May 12th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Didn’t McCaffrey used to take the padding out of his shoulder pads to give him more mobility? That’s badass.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
The only thing missing in that picture is one of those f’d up ear rings that make a huge hole and a 6-pack of PBR
May 12th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Hey, wait a second. Irvin was there in ’89 for the first 5 or 6 weeks. He was even doing OK before the knee injury.
Yes, I knew that. phrased the Irvin portion poorly. He was not included in the 89 Cowboys because of the 6 games. Although he did have more catches than Derrick Sheppard despite playing less. Martin, Sheppard, and Folsom were used. Martin was a serviceable receiver for a while, and of course Irvin was good when he played, but the Folsom/Sheppard/Dixon group would easily rival anything Bradford was throwing to at seasons end.
May 12th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Oh, and on Bears, an Engram, Robinson, Conway group may not be great, but they were average receivers for a while or had a high peak (Robinson). I’d say it was a pretty average group historically.