Here’s The First Serious Takedown of Grantland.com, the New Bill Simmons ESPN Website
Bill Simmons’ new ESPN-owned website, Grantland.com, hasn’t even debuted yet, and there’s already been a serious, exceedingly well-written deconstruction of it by an anonymous (best I can tell) blogger who goes by the name of Mobutu Sese Seko. The blog post is so insidery and knowledgeable, it makes you wonder if someone at ESPN wrote it.
There’s a lot to sift through, but let’s begin here.
ESPN and Simmons exist to make each other look edgy — ESPN by having Simmons write risky and scandalous things like “I hate [sports player],” and Simmons by having ESPN’s editorial policy to blame for not writing anything more risky and scandalous than, “I hate [sports player].”
If at any moment either entity had walked away from their relationship, it would have given the lie to ESPN’s claims to print things more subversive than “SportsCenter You Can Read” and Simmons’ claims that he had any ideas to be held back in the first place. Thus the need to create something like Grantland, which allows ESPN to pretend it’s breaking new ground by printing Gawker content from 2005, while Simmons gets to play the bad-boy who replaced his short woven corporate dog leash with the open-road freedom one of those really long clicky-handled corporate dog leashes.
Incisive. Penetrating. This felt like Blake Griffin dunking on Mozgov. I’m Amare, raising my eyebrows at what I just read.
Over the last five years, Simmons has selectively embraced new quantitative metrics in basketball precisely because they’re so ambiguous and interdependent, nicely dovetailing with his comically facile “secret” of the game, but he’s resisted, mocked and regularly made intellectually shallow and logically indefensible arguments about statistical analysis in baseball. Any website that promises smart new sports journalism under a banner quote redolent of dog-whistle “gritty,” “Eckstein-esque” and “played the game the right way” conceptions of sports is sending mixed messages. Rice is now employed as an avatar of hidebound sports-journalist conservatism, the quote and his writing the hoary old clichés marshaled by the luddites and bigots resistant to exactly the kind of dynamism Simmons ostensibly would like to proffer. Score one for pointless ambiguity.
I haven’t paid close enough attention to Simmons to know whether this is true or not, so I can’t really speak to the author’s point. But this was such a well-written paragraph, it warranted a pull quote. This chap, whoever he is, can write. Hey man, you looking for work?
Klosterman lards meaningless observations about meaningless phenomena with cute paradoxes, trying to rationalize the impossible tension between two strawmen he’s invented, before arriving at a conclusion that antagonizes the web-traffic-spiking intelligentsia while validating and comforting the incurious … No wonder he loves Klosterman so much. Both of them riff on the same vain intellectual process but from different precincts of cultural shallowness. Both seem to subscribe to the old medieval theory of sight: the world is alit for their glance being shone upon it.
After reading that, you should read this Chuck Kloserterman dismemberment from 2003. It’s the first time I’ve seen it. Brilliant.
Allegedly it’s a serious sports website maintained by a man whose intellectual rigorousness about sports can be measured by going to the IMDB “memorable quotes” page for a movie and trying to apply it to some random category like “interceptions made by New England Patriots, 2001-2010.” Allegedly it’s a serious cultural website maintained by a man whose cultural mind looks like one of those spooky MRIs of “ecstasy brains,” with all the black dead spots, and a bit where someone burned “SWEEP THE LEG” into it with a laser scalpel. Its celebrity contributors list reads like a Who’s Who of people whose only metric for understanding the human experience is the singular preciousness of themselves or the nauseating insipidity of corporate-retreat science. Then there’s the preposterousness of the name. Bill Simmons is to Grantland Rice what Tucker Max is to Hunter Thompson.
A lot of criticism I’ve heard from media members centers around the name: Grantland.com. I can see ESPN suits in their corner offices cheering when the website’s name was hatched: “Granland Rice, 4 Horsemen!” It doesn’t feel young and edgy, which is where Simmons built his brand back in the day; it feels old, which is where some folks think the site might be headed if Tony Kornheiser were writing for it.
It’s still far too early to know what the site will become – we’ve only seen two examples of writing that will appear on Grantland. I think that could be part of the problem with everyone’s impression of the site – Simmons’ choice to release those two specific pieces early (to prove there will be females writing for the site, which is something you can’t really find in the white male-dominated blog world?) left everyone with a “meh” vibe.
I’ll reserve judgment until I see more.
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May 11th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
Whoever wrote these is just pissed they aren’t Bill Simmons. Although as a huge Simmons home I cannot justify the Grantland.com name — a little snobby for my liking. I’ll get over it, and I’m sure a ton more will too.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
All I saw was that ignorant article about the Knicks. Just what the world needs: more Lupica-esque East Coast Mythology. I’ll pass.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
Dude can write for sure.
/wishes I could write that well…..
May 11th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
doesn’t knowing that ESPN actually owns the blog say everything you need to know about how it will play out?
May 11th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
Oh, Young Jason, you’ve really done it this time!
May 11th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
homer* — Also, I don’t know what people think they are reading when they read Simmons articles. No one confuses him with James Joyce. He was the perfect writer for this generation and capitalized on the market.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
May 11th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
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May 11th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
That did not work…
(Wonders if Simmons is on Team Legs and Ass or Team Boobies)
May 11th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
Uh, reggie, I think you broke the commenting section’s time-space fabric there.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
As a writer and storyteller I hate when people take down other writers with personal attacks. That article on Klosterman was disgusting. It’s fine if you don’t think of him as a good writer or not in your taste but to make fun of the man’s appearance to further you point is gross. If you want to write a critical piece it should be written like this one. Not like that one. That is horrible writing and unfortunately what the age of the Internet is giving us more and more of.
This piece on Simmons site was well written, but it’s hard to take someone seriously behind a pseudonymn. It’s easy to take swings when you won’t be found. He makes good points and some I don’t agree with, but at least put your name out there if you want to take down a fellow writer. I think that is only fair.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
Yep, probably the prudent move.
And yeah, the guy who wrote the referenced post can obviously write, but the whole post has a jealous, bitchy vibe to it, don’t you think?
That said, I’m all for Chuck Klosterman take downs.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
My wife got me his basketball book for x-mas. It’s pretty good but it should have been titled “Hindsight is always 20/20.” Anyone can look back on 25 years of NBA draft/trade history and talk shit about GM’s and what they should have or should have not done.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
Not really at all. The Mr. Destructo guy has copped to having a music industry background on multiple occasions. In fact, this is the first time I’ve ever seen him write about anything sports-related whatsoever.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
yeah, but then we can’t pretend it’s linda cohn or gregg easterbrook or some other SC anchor writing it. maybe it’s kenny mayne.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
i knew it was spencer!
May 11th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
of course, that’s how i started the site.
had no clue. first i’ve seen of his work.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
Simmons is very entertaining, but if you are going to him for sports expertise, then you are going to the wrong place. He knows his basketball, I will give him that, but I am not sure he can name all the teams in the National League.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
I don’t think you have be an insider to see through ESPN’s and Simmons’ bullshit.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
When does this site launch? I’m skeptical that it will be all that much different from page 2… kind of disappointing that it’s still under ESPN’s control to some extent.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
I’m firmly in the camp that says anyone writing a ‘takedown’ like this needs to put their name on it or shut the fuck up. I’m ok with anonymity for humour or light-hearted snark but if you’re going to tear somebody a new one, don’t hide.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Holy shit, that’s the first time I read that particular take down of Klosterman.
I just think Klosterman’s an annoying gas bag. I don’t think I would’ve played the “he looks like a sex offender” card like the author of the linked post (Mark Ames) did. Yikes.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
I read the site on occassion. He actually does write about sports, but it’s so wordy that I don’t read much of it. He did a piece on Drew Brees last year and something on the ALCS.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
The Klosterman link is interesting, but that particular writer/critic isn’t quite as good as he thinks he is. He comes off as a know-it-all and he is clearly in love with some words.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
he’s had a few pieces go viral, at least among some of the company I keep.
Although, skimming thru his archives, he apparently has tackled sports randomly throughout the past 3 years a decent amount.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
I like Simmons.
/has nothing else to say
May 11th, 2011 at 5:30 PM
I left you a present in the Sean Avery thread. You missed you chance to tear someone a new one.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:31 PM
It will not be like Page 2 at all. It very well might suck, but I don’t think it’s going to be Page 2-esque.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:32 PM
I just noticed it, bookmarked it for a later read.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
Obi-Wan Kenobi is dead so sayeth Lord Vader.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
yeah, even if ESPn is hands off, they’ll still fire his ass if he goes too far off the company line. He likely can’t abuse the sponsors too much, if at all, there won’t be comments, and he can’t attack his bosses or ESPN or the leagues with the same impunity an outside person could.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:33 PM
i agree with where’s wallace: what is the point of taking someone down? can;t readers decide for themselves? wait, i know, yes they can.
It’s pretty good but it should have been titled “Hindsight is always 20/20.”
By Captain Hindsight
May 11th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
I checked it out. I’m not exactly anti-Phaneuf. He’s overpaid but he’s good enough to be an important part of a contending team. I’m not sure if there is any correlation but the Leafs were a much better team when he was in the lineup this season.
Now, if we’re talking about Komisarek or Lebda, I can spew some hate.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:36 PM
It might not be Page 2-esque, it might be Page 3-esque!
/waves at TBL
May 11th, 2011 at 5:38 PM
Fan-friggin-tastic.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:38 PM
lol, nice.
it would have been complete if there was an article exposing the death star’s vulnerability as a simple exhaust port at the end of a long trench linked at the bottom of this one.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:39 PM
i agree with where’s wallace: what is the point of taking someone down? can;t readers decide for themselves? wait, i know, yes they can.
I see no problem with a ‘take-down’ per se. Someone like Klosterman who bases their image and all arguments on their own insights and personal interpretations of experiences is practically asking for it.
This guy gets a little personal in the opening, and if he had said “Chuck Klosterman is a shitty writer because his face looks like an ass”, then I’d agree there’s not much merit to it. But he does dissect Klosterman’s body of work, however tired it gets in doing so.
/Beigeist, Beige-ocracy? That’s not as clever as you thought.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:39 PM
My hope is that people will reserve their judgment on Grantland until after it officially launches.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:45 PM
The name calling is not needed. The dissection was ok, but he lost all credibility to me because he made it personal for no reason. What’s the point? He doesn’t like Klosterman? America is stupid for liking him? Get in line, I’m sure he’s not the only one that doesn’t like him. It came off as “Hey, look at what I can say!!” type of article. I expect nothing less from the NY press. That article maginified the change in the stuff the Press used to put out. It went from cutting edge to a piece of crap pretty quick.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:45 PM
meh. I can watch a preview of the new pirates movie and tell it is going to be shit. Having said that I read the preview pieces for grantland and I liked enough of it that I am looking forward to it launching.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:47 PM
I’m not a huge Simmons fan but I get his appeal. I check out his stuff every now and then if the title or intro catches my attention. However, he’s beaten the shawshank/karate kid references to a level of death I didn’t think possible. All that said this write up reeks of jealousy. He makes some good points as the website really is a sham to compete against blogs and particularly deadspin and that ESPN will likely neuter any controversial content. However, not putting your name on it screams “I’m a big pussy and if Bill asked me to be a contributor I’d do it in a heartbeat, because despite my angry at the world rhetoric I will sell out for the right price”
May 11th, 2011 at 5:47 PM
The name calling is not needed. The dissection was ok, but he lost all credibility to me because he made it personal for no reason. What’s the point? He doesn’t like Klosterman? America is stupid for liking him? Get in line, I’m sure he’s not the only one that doesn’t like him. It came off as “Hey, look at what I can say!!” type of article. I expect nothing less from the NY press. That article maginified the change in the stuff the Press used to put out. It went from cutting edge to a piece of crap pretty quick.
I don’t disagree per se that the name calling wasn’t necessary, but it also doesn’t bother me in this case. I can’t quite articulate it, it’s just something about Klosterman. It doesn’t seem out of bounds with him.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:50 PM
“Face for radio. Voice for text. Thoughts for a semaphore.”
Rolling. That alone is a 10 count on Simmons. The rest is just stomping him into the rubber pellets under the turf at Lucas Oil. I have no issue with the takedown because Simmons is, while occasionally crassly humorous, far too egoist for his 15 minutes and too moralistic for his vacuously bland and shallow ethical processes.
ESPN? Well, they as much Death Star as ‘mothership,’ (to borrow Mr. Patrick’s fav cliche’d description).
Great posting, Jason.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:53 PM
My hope is that people will reserve their judgment on Grantland until after it officially launches.
I’m pretty interested, as my life is ultra boring. I was pretty non-plussed by those first two girlie articles, and I’m a little scared of a comment section that has tryouts, or a cut list, but I’d be more scared of an open comment section full of Simmons bashing troglodytes.
I’ll go to it. If it’s good, I’ll read it. If not, I won’t. I’ll go back the next day, same thing. The name does seem really pretentious though.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:55 PM
I mean, if you don’t like the guy, cool. But 15 minutes? Simmons has been one of the most popular writers for years and years.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:57 PM
Yup. Nailed it. His site doesn’t generate that much traffic and he would be falling all over himself to write for Simmons. As would any writer. No matter what writers say about other writers the $$$ always speaks more.
I don’t like it in any critique. You want to critique, then critique the work. Period. No need to make it personal.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:59 PM
I don’t like it in any critique. You want to critique, then critique the work. Period. No need to make it personal.
I can understand that position. I suppose I see room for flexibility though when it comes to the type of writing that Klosterman does.
May 11th, 2011 at 5:59 PM
I was pretty meh on it until Bill Barnwell signed on. I will go there to check out his content.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:00 PM
klosterman’s good poopy time reading. read sex, drugs and cocoa puffs on the toilet for the first week of a semester in college. entertaining enough.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:03 PM
My God. Finally, someone compared Simmons to Tucker Max, a comparison that Gunga Bill richly deserves. Simmons had better be thankful that his podcast is still entertaining. Because his columns have become an insipid bore. Over the years they’ve gone from amusing to obtuse to frankly unreadable. Did anyone even wade through that morass on the Wire and the NBA? Even if you could be patient enough to get through the irrelevancy of the quotes, which I find it hard to believe, the actual analytical content was laughable. It’s like Bill and Ted finding a typewriter in a forest and describing chipmunks in precise detail, only to discover later that the chipmunk was actually a moose.
This pretentious “secret” nonsense has grown stale.
Tucker Max indeed.
That essay had to be written by someone at ESPN.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:03 PM
I was pretty meh on it until Bill Barnwell signed on. I will go there to check out his content.
yep. I won’t be going there to read Chuck Klosterman, or some girl saying latin phrases for effect, but I will be going there.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:06 PM
Good, good. Let the hate flow through you…
May 11th, 2011 at 6:07 PM
Did anyone even wade through that morass on the Wire and the NBA? Even if you could be patient enough to get through the irrelevancy of the quotes, which I find it hard to believe, the actual analytical content was laughable.
so did you read it or not? Because if it was both unreadable and you somehow arrived at a conclusion regarding the quality of the unreadable content, you must exist on some other plane. IF you read it, it wasn’t unreadable.
I just skimmed that one, because the premise was pretty lame.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:09 PM
i still read pretty much every simmons…some are ok, some i dump halfway thru, but why bother reading something that makes you that upset?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:11 PM
Exactly. Some people are obsessively hateful with Simmons, yet can go in detail about his latest work. I don’t like Rick Reilly at all, so I simply haven’t read anything he’s done in years and thus do not have a tumor that is about to explode.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:12 PM
To have something to complain about on message boards…same reason you watch Pac-10 football.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:12 PM
This line is just plain hilarious.
Also, I thought Katie Baker’s piece on the Knicks was great.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:12 PM
Because it’s the Internet! We complain about everything! No matter what!
May 11th, 2011 at 6:12 PM
This seems like it’s become the post to come to if you want to show that you write words good.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:13 PM
i still remember when simmons was first starting out and still posting every day in like 2004. it’s how i got into sports blogs…he’s just an institution.
and it’s not like he cost you anything…you didn’t pay to read his shit, so stop complaining.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:14 PM
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i still remember when simmons was first starting out and still posting every day in like 2004. it’s how i got into sports blogs…he’s just an institution.
and it’s not like he cost you anything…you didn’t pay to read his shit, so stop complaining.
/typed from iPhone while taking a dump.
//guessing
May 11th, 2011 at 6:14 PM
oh that’s not fair…i watch pac-10 football for the same reason i read books on afghanistan. im intrigued by the horror.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:14 PM
naw man…just gettin my pre-tribe game mellow on.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:15 PM
+1
May 11th, 2011 at 6:15 PM
What type of writing does Klosterman do? An why does it justify personal attacks? Or do you just dislike Klosterman too and therefore think it’s ok?
Full disclosure, I like Klosterman. Though I’ve only read Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs, Eating the Dinosaur and a handful of articles and music reviews. Sure he is a bit of an ego maniac and disagrees with people that don’t share his views but take a look around, most of the people on this blogs fit that description. To me Klosterman is just a smarter/better Simmons. He’s a little more well rounded in his interests and doesn’t constantly fall back to the same references.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:16 PM
i like klosterman’s story about smoking doja with the guns’n'roses cover band.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Everything Mr. Destructo said about the layout of Grantland, or at least the preview of it, is dead on. It’s dreadful. And strange.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:19 PM
simmmons is ok, but his blind love for all things boston is brutal. there is a world outside of wicked land, and he should explore it.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:19 PM
What type of writing does Klosterman do? An why does it justify personal attacks? Or do you just dislike Klosterman too and therefore think it’s ok?
Well Agent Sterling Archer, I happen to be ambivalent to Klosterman. But for why I’ll refer you to comment 36.
/charges golf cart battery.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:19 PM
You hopped on board late, Spencer Dick. Kidding, but it’s weird to think one of my friends used to copy and paste Sport Guy’s pre-ESPN columns into emails and forward them to me. Scary how long ago that was.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:20 PM
I have never read Klosterman and I doubt I will ever, but I do enjoy him on Simmon’s podcasts.
/all I got
//spits
May 11th, 2011 at 6:20 PM
This dude’s totally gay for Simmons.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:22 PM
isn’t it? i remember reading his articles in times new roman on a cpu monitor that wasn’t a flat screen. makes you feel old.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:24 PM
Simmons’ columns are way too fucking long. It’d be one thing if his stuff was pure gold, but it’s not. He’s good, but he needs an editor to tell him 20-30% of his words aren’t necessary.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:24 PM
Blah blah blah… is there anything more boring than Bill Simmons haters? If you don’t like him, fine, don’t read him… just shut the fuck up about it already.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:24 PM
You hopped on board late, Spencer Dick. Kidding, but it’s weird to think one of my friends used to copy and paste Sport Guy’s pre-ESPN columns into emails and forward them to me. Scary how long ago that was.
isn’t it? i remember reading his articles in times new roman on a cpu monitor that wasn’t a flat screen. makes you feel old.
I remember when coke machines only charged $.50.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:24 PM
do you have any idea how hard it is to fill two 40-page print’n'poos? DO YOU?!?!?!?!
May 11th, 2011 at 6:25 PM
The worst of it is the name, Grantland. That says more about how Simmons sees himself than anything else. He sees himself as a serious journalist with a “career,” a word which he repeatedly references, as if to reassure himself that he’s not some fly-by-night, flavor-of-the month hack. Yet his overreaching cultural references put a “born on date” on everything he writes. I think he realizes that his “shelf life” is limited, by the way he approaches everything, so he’s constantly trying to reinvent the wheel.
You know what he does well? He’s an excellent narrative story teller. He has an ear for that. And you see the best of that come out his basketball book (the early bits of it anyway), and on 30 for 30. When he tries to be the sports journalism version of Malcolm Gladwell, that’s when he gets himself into trouble. It’s good enough to be descriptive. There’s not a formula, a rule, a “secret” for everything we see, just waiting out there for Bill to discover for us. Bleh.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:26 PM
When did this post become an audition?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:27 PM
speaking of coke…i remember meeting a chick at a buckethead concert and going back to her dorm room at SMU and watching her wreck a few fat lines.
/key bumps for your alma mater
May 11th, 2011 at 6:27 PM
off to the jake…roll tribe.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:30 PM
speaking of coke…i remember meeting a chick at a buckethead concert and going back to her dorm room at SMU and watching her wreck a few fat lines.
/key bumps for your alma mater
//sings Varsity quietly to myself.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:32 PM
because Simmons is, while occasionally crassly humorous, far too egoist for his 15 minutes and too moralistic for his vacuously bland and shallow ethical processes
but so what? he’s gettin paid like a mofo, and all the criticism in the world won;t change that. what i do think he should do since he’s so rich is to break away from espn, so no holds barred, and start his own thang. he’s got enough of a presence/following to do so, sans stipulations
May 11th, 2011 at 6:33 PM
You’re either a) new to the Internet or b) Bill Simmons’ dad.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:35 PM
I can understand that position. I suppose I see room for flexibility though when it comes to the type of writing that Klosterman does.
sure, if the piece is a parody of klosterman;s writing. hey ms, would you call yerself a trueblue fan of the stros, like for a long time? if so i might wannt to get some POV from you on the stros for a story i’m doing. e-mail me through my site if yes
May 11th, 2011 at 6:37 PM
hey ms, would you call yerself a trueblue fan of the stros, like for a long time? if so i might wannt to get some POV from you on the stros for a story i’m doing. e-mail me through my site if yes
If we’re talking from the 1980s onward, then yes. I’ll shoot you an email from my gmail account.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:38 PM
Nice.
/goes back to writing novel
/the night was humid….
May 11th, 2011 at 6:51 PM
/goes back to writing novel
/the night was humid…
Now you’re plagiarizing Snoopy.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:52 PM
Did Simmons bang your wife or something?
May 11th, 2011 at 6:52 PM
It’s hard for me to take a critique seriously, particularly when the central premise of that piece is that a group of other writers are pseudo-intellectual hacks, when the writer himself relies on a series of intellectually dishonest attacks. Some examples:
“Looking at Grantland, one instantly wonders what its point is, and the site clearly doesn’t have an answer.”
The site does not exist yet.
“Adding to the confusion is the site’s overall presentation.” Again, how does the site have an overall presentation? It has a logo. He is write though, the logo does ripoff McSweeney’s.
On Lambert’s movie preview: “this accounts for 50% of the content selling the upcoming Grantland — a comic summer movie preview devoid of comedy, insight or purpose, by a “personality” with none.” My gripe is with the use of the term “50%.” There are TWO preview pieces. Great sampling size, guy.
May 11th, 2011 at 6:55 PM
spence, do you recommend buckethead, or only for picking up fat chicks from smu
/wait that was fat lines
May 11th, 2011 at 6:56 PM
+1
+1
I can’t stay mad at you. I’m gonna tattoo ms621 right between Dicky and Seamus.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
Actually I was thinking of throw momma from the train when I wrote that.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:37 PM
Simmons is neither edgy, nor entertaining, nor intelligent, nor insightful, nor anything he portends or ESPN claims he is.
Grantland is not only an insult to a great writer but an insult to the internet and one of the biggest wastes of bandwidth I’ve ever seen.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:38 PM
Looks like anon blogger borrowed Duffy’s thesaurus.
May 11th, 2011 at 7:56 PM
Grantland is not only an insult to a great writer but an insult to the internet and one of the biggest wastes of bandwidth I’ve ever seen.
Signed, People Strongly Opposed To Things That Don’t Exist Yet
May 11th, 2011 at 8:06 PM
I’m all in favor of insulting the internet.
Personally. Individually. And, in a the bit I really grit my teeth over, alphabetical order.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:13 PM
he breaks away from ESPN and he’s through.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:25 PM
98 comments and nobody makes the obvious connection?
/Mobutu Sese SeKO – obviously it is Olbermann.
May 11th, 2011 at 8:55 PM
Clicked the link for the Klosterman takedown (because Klosterman annoys me to no end) and came across this gem of a quote:
Bravo, Sir. Bra-vo.
/Well, it made me laugh
//It’s hard to do a good Baudrillard joke
May 11th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
That is entirely inconsistent with this from Bill Simmons’ 4/2/10 article:
May 11th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
Shit, the article is titled, “Finally joining the revolution.”
May 12th, 2011 at 9:47 AM
Thoroughly enjoyed the hack job on Klosterman that someone posted. I agree, the personal appearance stuff weakens the whole piece (especially to lead off with), but I think the rest is pretty spot on. I’ve never read any of Klosterman’s books because I was subjected to some of his pointless and flaccidly analytical articles in magazines, but having to listen to him on the Simmons’ podcasts has been painful enough. He brings nothing to the table. He isn’t funny, he isn’t clever, he doesn’t have interesting points, and he isn’t that great of a writer. His takes and arguments are so transparently antagonist (most people think that this was the best player, but THIS is actually who was the best because). It’s just stupid shit. I have no idea why people enjoy him. One of my best friends really likes his stuff, and my friend is a really smart guy. Don’t get it.
Anyway, as for Simmons, I’m a fan. I think he filled the niche of blending popular culture and sports back in the day and he has been the flagbearer of that revolution since. He does it very well when that is his focus and while he may not have his fastball like he once did, he still can be entertaining if only for some of his friends appearances (Kimmel, Carolla, etc). Simmons is what he is, and he did it well, but I’m still not sure what need or value added Klosterman provides. Any overly self important dickwad could publish a diary of pointless observations.
May 12th, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Good, good. Let the hate flow through you…
May 12th, 2011 at 10:33 AM
And obviously I didn’t use the block quote thing properly. Oh well.
May 12th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
who out there ever thought simmons was some great writer? hes a pop culture guy. he should be commended for experimenting with this and trying to bring a diverse crew of writers to a site. sour grapes here
May 12th, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Attacking the appearance of people is so petty. Since when are writers supposed to be handsome? I suppose since the talking head, Crossfire shows are now more profitable…but rhetorical question aside, it’s simply petty.
Looking forward to the site. I think it will be a good read.
That said, I honestly think, because she’s a cool, hip woman, people are afraid of saying anything bad about Katie Baker for they would be labeled a misogynist.
I’ll say it: She’s a good writer, but not a good sports writer. I think she’s terrible at long-form. The Knicks piece was a regurgitation of everything any NYK fan already knows. If you’re going the writing from a disgruntled fan POV, please keep it shorter. It’s like telling me a bad beats or fantasy story. I DON’T CARE. Her puck bunny piece, which supposedly was mind blowing to the Deadspin commenters, was extremely uninteresting. I think her hockey chops are weak as we didn’t see the humor in the same parts of 24/7. Oh well. To each his own.
To stave off, “You’re a misogynist!” comments. I think Emma Carmichael’s done the best job on the roundup-style stories on DS in awhile.
May 12th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
I registered just to say that I love Klosterman, and although at times Simmons disappoints, he’s clearly one of the best sports writers in the USA and has created a nice little niche for himself. The author would gladly drop his job and take Bill’s weekly column and salary. But it’s ok, envy is part of being Human, Mr. The Big Lead. If the site sucks, we will all move on, but I wouldn’t bet against it that’s for sure.
And in my opinion if you haven’t read Klosterman’s books, don’t comment that you don’t like him. I don’t like anyone in podcasts, period. They are so contrived it makes me vomit. But Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs, and Eating the Dinosaur just to name two, are gems. But I will also admit he has a target audience of people who consumed popular culture from like 1979 – 1999, with a real heavy influence of like 1989 through 1999. I fall right into that slot and can’t get enough of that dude’s books.
June 3rd, 2011 at 1:49 AM
Agree with TBL, but linking to a Mark Ames piece? – credibility points. That guy once called his throwing a horse semen cream pie in another reporter’s face “journalism.”
June 8th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
What is funny is that Simmons stated on a podcast last week that he didn’t like the name and that he didn’t pick the name. ESPN did. So many of the shots taken were uninformed ones just because the writer was bitter. I have been a fan of Simmons over the years but I also have had many complaints about him…doesn’t really write anymore, too much NBA, etc. But overall I won’t fault the guy for turning into a top sports writer from a regional blogger.