I disagree so I’m defensive? Fuck off douchebag. It’s a basketball discussion. Take your hands off the keyboard and shut the fuck up and you may learn something

Thanks for proving my point

so explain, then, if his teammates are better why are his attempts per game pretty much unchanged since 2006 yet his points are going down?

Ummm, because he is taking more jumpers now?

C’mon Spence, you’re better than that.

So he is settling for jumpers not because his ability has declined but because he wants to be less effective? Gotcha.

// i am not wrong

Yes you are and Spencer and others have proved this repeatedly. It’s not their fault you’re so dense.

has he not been dominant in the last two years?

Yes, but in much shorter stretches, hence a decline.

// i am not wrong

He has been dominant in stretches but no he’s not at the same level he was back in 2005 or even in 2008. I’m a fan and I watch as many games as possible but, father time is catching up to Kobe. He’s lost a step but he is still able to score and get past his defender at times because he has excellen footwork and his fundamentals are solid. Like Karma said in years past he would have been able to win game 1 by himself but, he looked gassed in the fourth quarter.

Why thank you, quite kind. Shall we toast to Nash never getting a ring because Sarver is a moron?

Indeed we shall.

Having Gasol, Bynum and Odom around him proves your point that he is just as dominant? Huh?

it’s why his stats are going down. have you ever watched basketball before? has he not been dominant in the last two years? if he hasn’t, then i guess I am wrong.

// i am not wrong

so explain, then, if his teammates are better why are his attempts per game pretty much unchanged since 2006 yet his points are going down?

Ummm, because he is taking more jumpers now?

C’mon Spence, you’re better than that.

And his team being better also proves my point. His stats of course are going to go down.

so explain, then, if his teammates are better why are his attempts per game pretty much unchanged since 2006 yet his points are going down?

And his team being better also proves my point.

Having Gasol, Bynum and Odom around him proves your point that he is just as dominant? Huh?

Not saying he sucks, he’s just not as dominant.

My point exactly. That’s wher spencer is wrong. He was as dominat, just in a different way. And his team being better also proves my point. His stats of course are going to go down. How is that a measure of decline? Is Wade declining? I’ve already said certain skills of his have gone down. I’m using overall effectiveness as my basis. Not a point or two, or a FT or two.

Please come on in take a seat. Have some of my finest scotch.

Why thank you, quite kind. Shall we toast to Nash never getting a ring because Sarver is a moron?

Yup. The Lakers have to endure hard fouls. Not other teams though. You are something else.

Goddammit. I’m not saying that you fucking cock. I agree with teams using it against LA, i would put kobe on his ass too. But when you have CP and rondo dancing around, and fucking james harden lighting you up, you need to foul like you mean it. Not this pussy slap on the arm and give the guy an and one. That’s all I mean. Jesus…

Not possible with the current rules

What rules? A hard foul is still legal last time I looked. Not saying be flagrant or anything. Go for the ball, but don’t let guys just waltz through the lane.

He’s not at the point where he is horrendous at anything, and 25 ppg is nothing to scoff at, but he’s set some pretty high standards for himself.

/ 35 ppg in a season is insane.

i mean, you, of all people, get it…nobody’s saying he sucks.

Stats get people into trouble.

yep…kobe fans because they can’t deal with proof. kinda like religious people who think that god created earth 5k years ago.

Clearly he is not the same player as 2005. But up until now, he was every bit as dominant. You know, the two titles and all.

of course it helps having three times the amount of talent like gasol, ariza, artest, odom, bynum, etc…but nevermind that, kobe did it all on his own.

Going down a point or two a game and a FT or two (when he doesn’t penetrate as much) is hardly the universal sign of decline you claim it to be.

when it happens every single year, then yes, that’s a fucking decline.

here, im going to do you a favor…here’s the definition.

to fail in strength, vigor, character, value, etc.; deteriorate.

to fail or dwindle; sink or fade away: to decline in popularity.

…now stop being a fanboi and face facts.

Why do fan boys always get so defensive? Stating that his skills have declined is not an insult, it’s commentary on a process that every human in the world goes through. It happened to Jordan to. As his career progressed he moved off the wing and a face up game and spent a lot more time posting up and relying on his fade away. Kobe’s done the same. It doesn’t mean he can’t win a game by himself it just mean he is no longer the best athlete on the floor. In most instances he is still the best basketball player. Settle down.

I disagree so I’m defensive? Fuck off douchebag. It’s a basketball discussion. Take your hands off the keyboard and shut the fuck up and you may learn something.