Ranking the NFL Coaches: Gary Kubiak and Long Coaching Tenures Without Trips to the Playoffs
My ranking of Gary Kubiak has garnered some criticism (screen grab from this chat after the jump), which is cool and all. I just happen to believe that coaches get a certain amount of time, and if they don’t have a breakthrough to the playoffs, it’s probably not happening long term. That doesn’t mean that the Texans can’t make the playoffs this year (of course they can, they have a very good offense) but I don’t see them getting where they want to ultimately go with Kubiak.
I’ve seen him make conservative decisions with an offensively skewed team that struggles on defense, the exact type of team that screams for aggressive decision-making at the end. I had already criticized him before for his bizarre decision at the end of a game. He also lucked out last year in the game at Washington that had over 900 passing yards and where defenses couldn’t stop anyone, when he chose to punt in overtime from Redskins’ territory. I mean that was a ludicrous decision that ended up working out when his defense predictably let the Redskins march the field but they missed the field goal. Sorry, you can’t coach my team if you get strikes like that against you.
But anyway, I put him where I did because not only do I think he’s way too conservative and lacks that killer instinct that you see with the great ones, but also because of the bottom line: he’s gone five years and no playoffs. I don’t get the criticism that I must put unknown coaches below him. Let’s see if I can put this in clear terms: I think he should have been fired.
Erego, I would take other unknown coaches ahead of him. What’s the difference between Pat Shurmur and Gary Kubiak? Shurmur is as hot an offensive coordinator coaching prospect as Kubiak was five years ago, except he hasn’t gone five years without any playoffs. Sometimes, the unknown is better than the known, if the known is established as mediocre. Most owners agree with that position, because it’s rare for a team to go more than four years without a playoff appearance with the same head coach. And very few of those coaches go on to do anything ever again as a head coach. When an owner fires an existing head coach who has not made the playoffs with someone who has never coached but is a promising coordinator, they are ranking the unproven guy ahead of the “proven” guy, just like I did.
How rare is it for a coach like Kubiak to be given a sixth season without ever reaching the playoffs? Only four other coaches since the merger have been allowed to come back for a sixth season after going five seasons without a playoff appearance. In chronological order:
- Norm Van Brocklin (Atlanta, 1969-1974)– Van Brocklin took over for a relatively young Atlanta expansion team that was terrible. By year five of his tenure, he was showing signs of progress as the team went 9-5. They fell apart the next year, getting off to a 2-6 start, and Van Brocklin was fired after 8 games.
- Bart Starr (Green Bay, 1975-1983)–Needless to say, Starr got the benefit of the doubt because he was a legend. He had only one winning season in his first five (8-7-1) and won 5 games in his fifth and sixth season. He made his only playoff appearance in 1982, in the strike-shortened season, and was fired after 9 seasons and 1 playoff appearance.
- Jack Patera (Seattle, 1976-1982)– Patera was the initial coach for the expansion Seattle Seahawks. Seattle won 9 games in both the third and fourth years, but dropped to 4-12 in year 5. Patera went 6-10 in his sixth year, then started 0-2 in 1982 and the players went on strike, Patera was fired before they returned. The organization made its first ever playoff the next year in Chuck Knox’ first season.
- Norv Turner (Washington, 1994-2000)– Turner had a winning record in years three and four before dropping to 6-10. Turner made the playoffs in year six, losing to Tampa in the semifinals. He was fired after 13 games in year seven.
I’m not exactly shaking in my boots that Kubiak is the next Bill Belichick or that he’s likely to be coaching longer than most others on that list.
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April 18th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
In this respect, he’s exactly like Jim Caldwell, which is my main criticism of Caldwell. Well, that and some odd decisions in playoff games (the Stover FG attempt in the Super Bowl, the timeout against the Jets), which Kubiak hasn’t had the chance to experience yet.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
No Suspension for Torres
April 18th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Totally agree with all of this. You know what you’re getting with Kubiak. New coaches at least bring hope. Kubiak brings the same old shit.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Pretty clear why Lisk is the best thing going for this site. Not only are his posts informative and well researched, when he does generate criticism, he comes back with a level headed approach and facts to support his case, rather than
deleting the postignoring it and hoping people forget.April 18th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
wait a minute…is John McClain suggesting that Lisk is BeelzeBoB?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
I think this post proves, once and for all, Raymond Berry > Bart Starr.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
Nice. I hope Mcclain’s corner throws in the towel after this beating.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Yippie Ki-yay ?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
it’s pat shurmur bro.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Crouton, is that you?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
I’d still rather have Fritz Shurmur’s corpse than Gary Kubiak.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Excluding the new hires, who would McClain have ranked under Kubiak?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
is there an active coach who has done LESS with more?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:35 PM
McClain is no slouch when it comes to writing about the NFL, it’s just that he, like a lot of beat writers who have been tied to a community for so long, has developed blinders about the team. Mike Chappell who has covered the Colts for the Indy Star for as long as I can remember is the same way. I kinda feel bad for him here because he comes off as mean spirited and short sighted. But if I feel bad for him I also have to feel bad for Phil Simms, and I don’t want to do that. At all.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
please show up at his next chat and ask that.
Maybe Marvin Lewis. Maybe Norv.
But at least they’ve made the playoffs.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
tom coughlin.
/you’d
April 18th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Geronimo, Motherfucker.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
who the hell is john mcclain?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
I need assistance from someone. I can’t for the life of me find the Sofia Vergara gif that someone posted a while back in a thread.
Can you help me?
/back to the 9-5
April 18th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
there’s a reason Peter King & other writers have picked the Texans in the playoffs the last two years: The talent is there. overwhelmingly.
Houston has drafted very well.
coaching is the problem. how is that not clear?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Any coach who has played in the AFC West or NFC West over the past five seasons. Up until this season, the AFC South has had at least one team win 12 games since its inception. Sadly for Kubiak, the season his offense finally develops balance, he loses his best defensive player, his star-in-the-making OLB drops off without the steroids and his secondary absolutely implodes.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Rex Ryan
/soon to be champs’d
April 18th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
it’s pat shurmur bro.
Yeah, I fixed that when I read through and saw it. Obviously can’t keep my shurmurs straight. I also have a random craving for chicken shawarma as a result.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
you need to watch more NFL network top 10′s.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Norv has 3 division titles, won 3 playoff games and made an AFC title game. The Bengals had no business making the playoffs a couple years ago, so you gotta give Marvin Lewis some credit for that one.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
That’s what I was thinking, at least they have something to point to. Chan Gailey maybe? But he doesn’t have the talent in Buffalo that Kubiak has in Houston.
When/where are McClain’s chats? I usually enjoy his contributions on NFLN “Top 10″ shows.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
you need to watch Die Hard, mother falcon.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
ah, the cornerstone to defining excellence in the field of analysis. one slight step up from “i love the 80′s” analysis/sound bites.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
nevermind, they’re spelled different.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
die hard would be nothing w/o Reginald VelJohnson.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
you’re better than that
April 18th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
I’m not saying Kubiak deserved to stay on, but holding him solely responsible for things like Daniels’ slow recovery from ACL surgery, Cushing and Slaton’s precipitous declines, Ryans’ injury, Okoye busting and Schaub’s penchant for poor decisions in late-game situations seems to be over simplifying it a tad.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Unless Houston ends up with a bigtime difference-maker like Patrick Patterson in the draft, they are almost certainly going to be the same old soft team that gets pushed around and can’t win on the road. 8-8 at best, again.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Fritz was awesome, always looked pissed off on the sidelines, some good Packer defenses in those days (having Reggie White will make any coordinator look good but still)
April 18th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
mmm…shwarma.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
At least he didn’t call you dickface Lisk.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Sometimes, the unknown is better than the known
Peter King makes a living writing like that for MMQB
is there an active coach who has done LESS with more?
tom coughlin.
/you’d
ummm what?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Patrick PETERSON. Derrrrp.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
McClain is no slouch when it comes to writing about the NFL, it’s just that he, like a lot of beat writers who have been tied to a community for so long, has developed blinders about the team. Mike Chappell who has covered the Colts for the Indy Star for as long as I can remember is the same way. I kinda feel bad for him here because he comes off as mean spirited and short sighted. But if I feel bad for him I also have to feel bad for Phil Simms, and I don’t want to do that. At all.
Yes, McClain is very well connected, votes on the senior selections with the Hall of Fame, and I think generally cares and puts effort into his work.
I just disagree on this issue. I could be wrong, but there is rationale behind it. I’m not the only one that thinks Kubiak had enough time. I’m probably harsher on him because I went to school in Houston and want to see them succeed.
Sanders raises good points (though the defense was crap last year before Ryans got hurt) and my issue is that I don’t trust him in the future to make those key calls that could win a playoff game or the game to get into the playoffs.
Remind me, Jets fans, how did the end of that game play out before the Jets got possession to win it against Houston’s abysmal pass defense?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Jets fans have an inferiority complex when it comes to the Giants
April 18th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
TBL never hesitates to jump at the chance to poke the Giants bear
Also, we need to put a moratorium on people starting out internet comments with “Ummmm” or “Uhhh”, it’s douchey
April 18th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
mccain has a serious homer boner. he is good, but his opinion may be a little skewed.
i dont know if kubiak is the worst, but he is down there. just not a good coach, and it has been frustrating to watch b/c unlike dom, kubiak has talent to work with. he should have been fired.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
8 years later & the fact that NFLN isn’t on most cable network tiers is still surprising and sad to me. Thought by now the popularity of the sport would of pushed a deal through but then again, I guess same thing could be said about the Lockout also
April 18th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
I’m probably harsher on him because I went to school in Houston and want to see them succeed.
are you a rice owl? houston cougar? st thomas whatevers? lamar? blinndergarten like cam newton?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think his time should have been up after last season. I do think bringing in Wade will help, to a point. But what they really need are some safeties who can cover a lot of ground. If they could trade down, pick up someone like Aaron Williams who could play any secondary position and use the extra third they’d acquire on another back seven player, that would be a good way to go, I think.
Trading up for Peterson isn’t going to transform their defense overnight, and I think it would be very costly to get up there.
April 18th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
“Ummmm” or “Uhhh”, it’s douchey
Yes Sir!
/salutes
April 18th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
When you consider that there’s coaches like Jim Fassell and Jim Haslett (guys with playoff wins) that can’t get another head coaching gig in their lives or someone like Jeff Fisher out there without a job, you realize that the amount of leeway Gary Kubiak has gotten in Houston has been excessive.
5 years. Great defenses. A solid offense. And all they gotta do is make the playoffs and they can’t? At this point, who believes that ship will get turned around?
April 18th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Needs more Melon Farmer
April 18th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Mr. Lisk went to U of H. Had a class with Akeem, I believe.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Has their defense even been mediocre, yet alone great? I know they’ve had some instability at the kicker position that’s cost them dearly in certain games. And for most of those five years both the Colts and Titans – and even the Jags (see 2007) – have either been playoff teams or on the cusp. Last year, the AFC South imploded, and that was the Texans’ chance to take advantage. THAT is why I think Kubiak should have been fired after last season. Who knows what will happen now.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
there’s a reason Peter King & other writers have picked the Texans in the playoffs the last two years: The talent is there. overwhelmingly.
i know i’ve been away a few weeks, but when did people start respecting peter king’s opinion?
April 18th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
no, no I’m not.
DAMMIT!
April 18th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
awesome.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
Have they said how Houston’s personnel is going to work with Wade’s defense? I’m guessing Ryans and Cushing inside, but who plays the outside? Adibi is a Cover 2 Wil, so he’s street fodder. Maybe the Colts can pick him up for a song?
April 18th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
are you a rice owl? houston cougar? st thomas whatevers? lamar? blinndergarten like cam newton?
UH Law, but lived near OST then Rice Village. I was there in between Oilers and Texans.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
how does mario fit in? you figure you could get some nice 3-4 pieces for him.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
Perhaps, this song?
April 18th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
A Dom Capers coached team didn’t have a good defense, a sieve of an O-line that nearly killed David Carr (who was not a bad QB to begin with). The way you want to go with this is that Kubiak didn’t figure out how to improve upon taking this job. Good coaches to-be understand and properly analyze what changes need to be made and work in that direction. Who’s to say Shurmur, Jim Harbaugh, or any of the new coaches will be better when they have not done anything at the pro level?
April 18th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
From what I’ve read/heard thus far, they’re going to mix in quite a few four-man fronts because both Wade and Williams don’t seem very high on him playing out of a two-point stance.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
yea…he seems to big and slow to be decent in coverage. and why risk it?
April 18th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Have they said how Houston’s personnel is going to work with Wade’s defense? I’m guessing Ryans and Cushing inside, but who plays the outside? Adibi is a Cover 2 Wil, so he’s street fodder. Maybe the Colts can pick him up for a song?
I guess they’re going to stand Mario Williams up, huh? I don’t know what they’re going to do about a NG either, since their interior linemen have been sucky forever too.
I imagine Cushing will play OLB, not inside. I watched one game where he subbed inside for Demeco Ryan last year, and he wasn’t good.
I think they can get pressure though, if Wade realizes how unaggressive he was with Dallas at the end. And if they keep Pollard, who is really only good at hurting QBs.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I watched quite a bit of the Texans last year, and he and Wilson together…just so much stiffness in the middle of the field.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
From what I’ve read/heard thus far, they’re going to mix in quite a few four-man fronts because both Wade and Williams don’t seem very high on him playing out of a two-point stance.
ew. That’s one reason I hate the rigidity of old coaches. Maybe they can run him at a 5, and just stack Cushing behind, with both definitely rushing, and let them play games all day with the tackle, guard.
They’ve got guys. Just not corners, interior D linemen or coaches.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
I watched quite a bit of the Texans last year
we all had to. I think they had 5 nat’l TV games. I feel like I saw them 5 times.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
I think the longer a guy plays with his hand in the dirt, the more reluctant he is to take it out. I don’t recall Orakpo saying much last year when he had to switch, but he was only going into his second year. And he wasn’t the number one overall draft pick. I’m also not sure how much time Mario has left on his contract. That could also be a factor.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
There is little that can make me lose my appetite faster than having to hear the 55 year old chain smoker coughing for 5 minutes straight. I want to throw up.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Apparently, he’s an UFA after 2011. I can see why they’re approaching the situation cautiously.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
I think the longer a guy plays with his hand in the dirt, the more reluctant he is to take it out. I don’t recall Orakpo saying much last year when he had to switch, but he was only going into his second year. And he wasn’t the number one overall draft pick.
when I asked last year, a couple of the real washington followers told me that Orakpo actually stood up quite a bit as a rookie, too.
But if you’re Williams, do you ever really want to drop into coverage? That’s a big fucking waste. I know it was an awful waste when Wade dropped Ware into coverage. but they ran 4 man fronts half the time in Dallas. But then, the blitzers were always painfully obvious. Wade lost his edge on being deceptive.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
God love Aaron Kampman, he tried
April 18th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
LOL, that was fun to watch, though, wasn’t it? With him and Vanden Bosch moving last year it was like white guy reclamation project on the free agency tip.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
/waves
//lights cig
April 18th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
bullshit he tried…he complained about it like a little diva.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Not really, he hinted at not being hip to the idea but he played the part until the knee blew out…was just predictably bad at it
April 18th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Ryan Mallett does drugs.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
I think this is a pretty impressive post. I enjoyed reading the first about the rankings and definitely enjoyed reading a follow up. Not sure who employs McClain, but they should fire him and hire Lisk.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
Houston should run a 3-4 similarly to what the Cards do with Dockett. Have the DE’s role less about occupying blockers and more about being disruptive.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
well then i was wrong. but mild displeasure is the same as complaining like a diva for white athletes, right?
April 18th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Only if you’re Peyton Manning and made a remark about your offensive line once after a playoff loss
April 18th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
if only his idiot kicker didn’t get liquored up.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Ryan Mallett does drugs.
it’s going to skew every single subsequent result to the point that they can’t be correct.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
This caused me to laugh out loud.
/via
April 18th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Lisk was penalized 15 yards for making the throat-slashing gesture while writing this sentence.
April 18th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Five sacks in 38 dropbacks! After only being sacked 17 in 453 dropbacks during the regular season!
!
April 18th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Five sacks in 38 dropbacks!
that was a long day, and they almost miracled their way to an unjust victory. They really did have some protection problems that day.
April 18th, 2011 at 3:01 PM
I was so hungover watching that game – and when Brackett’s helmet popped that ball loose I sprung up so fast I thought I was going to throw up. The sad thing is, as bad as they played, once the Heath Miller lights up Mike Doss show was over, Pittsburgh’s offense didn’t do much. Sadly, the Colts’ offense couldn’t, either.