Jon Heyman: I’ll Vote for Barry Bonds into the Hall of Fame, But Not Mark McGwire

1-liner, All, Barry Bonds, Baseball, Hall of Fame Jason McIntyre April 15th. 2011, 2:40pm

MLB Hall of Fame: Yesterday it was Carlos Delgado. Today – Barry Bonds. Would you vote for him into the Hall of Fame? SI’s Jon Heyman would. But he wouldn’t vote Mark McGwire in. I tend to agree with Heyman, but Bonds is so reviled, I doubt it happens on the first ballot. Next week: Jesse Barfield.

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52 Responses to “Jon Heyman: I’ll Vote for Barry Bonds into the Hall of Fame, But Not Mark McGwire”

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jck49erfan Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
Sad part is, Bonds was going in to the Hall before he got on the juice and all that shit. He didn’t need to do it to be a great player. Fuck him.
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Diesel Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
It’s been said before and I will say it again, all these guys need to be in the Hall in their own steroid wing. It’s all a big part of baseball history now and future generations should learn about it.
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phillymantis915 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Bonds should get in first ballot, period.
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pkiguy22 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
SI’s Jon Heyman would. But he wouldn’t vote Mark McGwire in
The fact that Jon Heyman gets a vote in itself cheapens it.
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YYSA Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Its all a sham without Charlie Hustle in.
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pkiguy22 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
It’s been said before and I will say it again, all these guys need to be in the Hall in their own steroid wing. It’s all a big part of baseball history now and future generations should learn about it.
Then you would also have to have Pre-Segregation and Post-Segregation wings as well.
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phillymantis915 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
The fact that Jon Heyman gets a vote in itself cheapens it.
This too. Ditto for Lupica and Shaunghessey.
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phillymantis915 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Then you would also have to have Pre-Segregation and Post-Segregation wings as well.
Plus any player from the 60s on would need to be in the greenies wing as well. Let them all be in, no distinctions.
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Geeezeus Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
Next week: Jesse Barfield.
Had a cannon arm from right field.
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YouKnowMeAl Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Its all a sham without Charlie Hustle in.
indeed
Then you would also have to have Pre-Segregation and Post-Segregation wings as well.
indeed also
Plus any player from the 60s on would need to be in the greenies wing as well.
not so indeed, but only because i’m not so sure greemies had the same effect as roids. didn;t it just help guys wake up, not add strength or recovery from injury (not hangover)?
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Curb Bettman Now Dont Bother Burying Him Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
That’s one Barry I would vote for.
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arkbadger Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Next week: Jesse Barfield.
Had a cannon arm from right field.
and quite the perm if I remember correctly.
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Yes to McGwire, yes to Bonds. Done and done.
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
and quite the perm if I remember correctly.

You do remember correctly. It’s peaking out a bit here, but you can still see it’s beautiful, curly fullness.
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Geeezeus Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
and quite the perm if I remember correctly.
Just let your soul glow.
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sportsgal116 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
CoCo Crisp’s afro is an automatic first ballot entry.
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cracker jack Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
This isnt an abnormal view is it? Ive heard guys be on the fence about Mgwire before. What’s the lowest batting average a guy’s had to get into the hall of fame?
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YouKnowMeAl Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
oh, and yes on bonds for pre-HR era accomplishments
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
This isnt an abnormal view is it? Ive heard guys be on the fence about Mgwire before. What’s the lowest batting average a guy’s had to get into the hall of fame?
I don’t have the answer to this question, but Walks used to count as Hits prior to 1900s. I bring this up to point out some statistical inflation for some people already in the Hall.
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Breesus Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
Next week: Jesse Barfield.
Wake me when they get to Glenn Hubbard
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YouKnowMeAl Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
i like letting them all in with the note on their plaque. in bold or bigger letters, or as you type, its own special wing
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YouKnowMeAl Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:57 PM
about ready for some appt radio–steve stone fridays at 2pm
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Worst part of the Bonds trial is it gives an excuse for these sanctimonious assholes like Heyman to delve back into this tired steroid debate.
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sandibalz Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
someone needs to fucking explain to the world the difference between these cheaters…and if everyone was fucking cheating, were they really cheating?
/put them all in, they all contributed to this shitty ass game
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phillymantis915 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
This isnt an abnormal view is it? Ive heard guys be on the fence about Mgwire before. What’s the lowest batting average a guy’s had to get into the hall of fame?
Still has the 12th highest career OPS+, 10th highest OPS, 8th highest SLG, 66.7 WAR. His OBP is only 67th, but still a .393 OBP is damn good.
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:00 PM
i like letting them all in with the note on their plaque. in bold or bigger letters, or as you type, its own special wing
Sure, if there’s also a special wing for amphetamine abusers like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays.
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Butters Brickowski Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
What’s the lowest batting average a guy’s had to get into the hall of fame?
Ozzie Smith finished a point behind McGwire in BA…falls short in the slugging/OBP departments in comparison however
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cracker jack Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:02 PM
I get you Mantis. I was just thinking in terms of the typical baseball writer – they like simple things like BA and Homeruns. And if you see his homeruns as being cheapened, that BA isnt going to excite you.
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Sure, if there’s also a special wing for amphetamine abusers like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays.
This. If you’re going to do it for Bonds and McGwire, you have to do it for all the users of greenies too.
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BFFredo Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Unless baseball wants us all to pretend the period from 1998-2004 didn’t happen, they’re going to have to acknowledge it in some way.
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captain_spalding Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
I don’ t get the comparing the pre-segregation guys with drug abusers.
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sandibalz Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
Unless baseball wants us all to pretend the period from 1998-2004 didn’t happen, they’re going to have to acknowledge it in some way.
no they don’t
/never happened
//see how we did that
///who’s barry bonds
////we don’t need replay either
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wilhelmreems Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Unless baseball wants us all to pretend the period from 1998-2004 didn’t happen, they’re going to have to acknowledge it in some way.
i was at the HOF about 18 months ago. they do acknowledge it. Maybe not in big bold letters, but throughout the building, on info plates throughout, steroids and other PEDs are mentioned. Just as Pete Rose’s banishment from baseball is mentioned.
i say no HOF to the steroid users. they cashed in during their career because of steroid use, and even though it wasn’t “illegal” in baseball terms, they knew it was bad enough to not talk about it and cover it up.
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cracker jack Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
i say no HOF to the steroid users.
Too bad we only know 1% of the actual steroid users
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Battlin' Billy Smith Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
I say we blow up the current hall of fame and start over…
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sandibalz Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Too bad we only know 1% of the actual steroid users
that’s enough data to come to the right conclusion, they are all guilty cheaters
/signed…all of us who are so creepily attached to a sport that it could be considered stalking
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wilhelmreems Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Too bad we only know 1% of the actual steroid users
yup, and that 1% should not be voted into the HOF.
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sandibalz Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
no one should care this much about a game. really. seriously. there’s being entertained, and then there’s crazy. all this talk of asteriks, and whether guys should get into the hall….what’s it matter? it’s still just a game.
maybe they should stop calling it a hall of fame, and call it a sports museum…strictly for significant events of that particular sport.
example: a picture of bonds hitting number whatever homerun, and next to that a picture of him and bonds testifying at congress
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
yup, and that 1% should not be voted into the HOF.
The funny thing is this: steroids don’t make shitty players good (the amount of career minor leaguers who have been busted should be evidence enough of that), they make good players last longer and recover easier and thus put up more numbers. Bonds, I think it can be roundly agreed, was a Hall of Famer before he used. That makes him a selfish prick for wanting to push himself even more, but shouldn’t keep him out of the Hall. McGwire, depending on when he started, is an argument we could all have, but his early career numbers were pretty fantastic by themselves (unless you believe Canseco when he says he was injecting him in the ass back then).
This is all by way of saying that those players who we are arguing about whether or not they should be in the Hall, were all very good players without steroids.
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
no one should care this much about a game. really. seriously. there’s being entertained, and then there’s crazy. all this talk of asteriks, and whether guys should get into the hall….what’s it matter? it’s still just a game.
I don’t see a problem with being passionate about a sport. If you do, perhaps a “sports blog” is not the place for you.
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porcinitables Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
Pre-1995 McGwire was a good player but by no means great. We all know what happened after that. He took a good career and made it great by doing something that was not specifically outlawed at the time (forgetting the fact that it is illegal federally) along with a vast assortment of other players. It’s a slippery slope.
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sandibalz Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
there’s passionate, and then there’s trying to rationalize putting some cheaters in a hall of fame over other cheaters.
i venture to sites to check out the stories, and make fun of the crazies.
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sandibalz Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
and to bash every sport possible…mostly i just like to hate on everything
/take my cues from bill plaschke
//just kidding
///98-04 never happened
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YoungmanU2 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
I would not vote Bonds in; nor Mac; nor most of the other big sluggers who obviously cartooned up. I would not do this on the simple principle that they destroyed the game’s history, imo, in a way that will forever relativize great accomplishments.
Also don’t think the greenies did much to the game. Didn’t really change statistics in any appreciable way.
And, the argument that one has to have a segregation wing is flawed. Great black players would have been at the top but that would not have changed the greatness of great white hitters or pitchers. I think they should put all the great Negro league players in. And, they’ve generally done a good job with that.
Two different cases, really.
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captain_spalding Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Cubs traded Palmeiro because he lacked power.
/I know Cubs decision faulty enough
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wilhelmreems Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Bonds, I think it can be roundly agreed, was a Hall of Famer before he used. That makes him a selfish prick for wanting to push himself even more, but shouldn’t keep him out of the Hall. McGwire, depending on when he started, is an argument we could all have, but his early career numbers were pretty fantastic by themselves (unless you believe Canseco when he says he was injecting him in the ass back then).
interesting you cast speculation as to when mcgwire used, but you assume bonds didn’t start using any performance enhancers until 1997 or 1998 or whenever.
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ms621 Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
interesting you cast speculation as to when mcgwire used, but you assume bonds didn’t start using any performance enhancers until 1997 or 1998 or whenever.
McGwire I think is open to discussion. I don’t know when he started using so I’ll try not to assume that it was at a certain point
You’re right we don’t know for sure that Bonds wasn’t using before 1998, but FWIW it has been widely reported that he started using after 1998 because he hated how much attention McGwire-Sosa got in ’98.
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Curtis the Close talker Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
I would not do this on the simple principle that they destroyed the game’s history, imo, in a way that will forever relativize great accomplishments.
Oh sheesh it’s just a stupid fucking game. Get over it.
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wilhelmreems Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
You’re right we don’t know for sure that Bonds wasn’t using before 1998, but FWIW it has been widely reported that he started using after 1998 because he hated how much attention McGwire-Sosa got in ’98.
right. i think it’s completely plausible he could have used something before 98 since he’s already proved so willing to cheat once.
who knows…he might pull a pete rose and admit to it years from now when it proves financially beneficial.
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jaywashere Says:
April 15th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Bonds had 3 MVP awards back when he was skinny, tying him with Willie Mays. Even if he had stopped then and not won another 4, how could anyone NOT vote him in? I’m sick of HOF bullshit anyway… I’m sure they’ll do the wrong thing and not let him in at first.
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ThatsSoTaguchi (Now With Zip) Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 5:39 AM
Also don’t think the greenies did much to the game. Didn’t really change statistics in any appreciable way.
I don’t think you think.
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ThatsSoTaguchi (Now With Zip) Says:
April 17th, 2011 at 5:47 AM
Greenies did exactly what the msot realistic theory on steroids did/does. Allow a player to play at peak performance day in and day out that a nonuser may well fail to do.