Onion Bag: How Much Patience Should We Have With Jozy Altidore?
The USMNT is in the England trap. We enshroud ourselves in the trusty 4-4-2. We dismiss tactical developments as foreign and convoluted. We confuse comfort level with effectiveness. On the occasions we emerge from the cave, we get startled by the light and scuttle back to the reassuring darkness. We have nurturing media members itching to reward our backwardness.
Argentina overmatched a U.S. team playing a five-man midfield. The Americans switched to four, held their own in the second half and evened the score on a set piece. It was a fine effort, but it illustrated more about personnel than tactics.
Playing Bradley/Jones/Edu as a trio did not work. They are too instinctively similar. Roles were ill-defined. None had the vision or natural ball skill to move through a robust Argentina midfield. Bradley and Edu worked better with definite roles in tandem. Having one less midfielder exposed them little, since they were playing with 10 men behind the ball anyway. That’s not an indictment of all five-man midfield variations, just that particular one.
The 4-4-2 may have mystical powers – I would argue not considering the U.S. has failed to win 10 of its last 12 starting in that formation and has a 5-15-3 record under Bradley against teams outside CONCACAF and Mexico with it - but the reason the U.S. played better was they finally had a viable option up front, in Agudelo. Jozy Altidore didn’t disappear. To disappear, you must have appeared initially. Jozy didn’t in that match. It’s not clear he has, period.
Since moving to Europe, Altidore has scored twice in 41 league appearances. He does have ten goals in 32 appearances for the USMNT, though he’s scored just twice in his last 14 competitive fixtures. Goals aren’t everything, but Altidore’s comprehensive effort doesn’t flatter him. His awareness and anticipation are poor. He mistimes runs. He doesn’t position himself well. He looks lethargic. His movement is laborious and cumbersome. His work-rate is unimpressive and he doesn’t press effectively. He’s laid back. Content with a stable backseat place he’s not grasping for the car keys.
Jozy doesn’t score goals. He doesn’t create goals. He doesn’t hold his position well. He needs to do at least one of those three things.
Altidore is “only 21,” but soccer players mature and fade sooner than American sport athletes. More than half the German first-choice XI is 22 or under. Established Argentina stars Leo Messi and Angel Di Maria are 23. Jozy is playing his fourth season as a full-time professional. At some potential must yield production. He’s still “young” and will get chances, but he’s shown nothing to suggest he will capitalize on them. Especially if his purported training habits continue.
Drogba was a “late bloomer.” Drogba had a tumultuous childhood, never played in a youth academy, never signed a professional contract until he was 21 and had injury troubles. Jozy has had every advantage as a professional soccer player. European clubs have not given Jozy an opportunity to play week-in, week-out, because he hasn’t earned one. He’s been disappointing. His greatest claims to have game remain his nine goals in MLS and his transfer fee.
Altidore seems like an earnest kid. He has natural ability on the ball, but, far too often, he relies on the ball finding him. Agudelo lacks experience but he plays with a natural vitality and enthusiasm. He forces the issue. He scored against Argentina because he instinctively followed the play and bounced on the rebound. It’s easier to reign in someone’s inner fire than ignite it.
Jozy may still have a bright future for the national team, but he’s starting by default, not merit. Agudelo has shown enough to be given a chance to start. Should he continue to impress, those chances should come at Altidore’s expense.
Play at a high level: The two American players not overwhelmed by Argentina’s speed iniitially were Tim Howard and Clint Dempsey. Both were spot-on, disciplined and admirable. That’s no coincidence, since they are the two Americans with stable starting positions, playing that caliber of player every week in the world’s best league. The more Americans contributing to teams at that level, the more successful the national team will be.
Play on Grass: If we wish to be treated as a serious international player, it’s time to treat soccer professionally. U.S. National Team matches should be played on native grass fields, not haphazard patchworks of grass covering artificial turf. The desire for gate revenue is understandable, but there are enough grass stadiums in large markets to ensure the team plays on a respectable, responsible surface, especally when hosting a team such as Argentina.
Acquisitions: The Red Sox’ invasion of international soccer continues. Boston businessman Thomas DiBenedetto, a partner in NESV, has bought a controlling 2/3 share in Serie A club AS Roma for $108 million. He has pledged to buy “five or six new players” while bringing the club under UEFA’s financial fair play rules. That’s no simple feat. Roma was hundreds of millions in debt and will lost an estimated $56 million this year.
Roma could be a shrewd investment. Under the right stewardship, they could be a giant in Italian soccer. Though, without Serie A making wholesale changes, that’s going to continue to become less relevant.
Racism: Brazilian wonderkid Neymar raised his price tag this summer, scoring both goals in Brazil’s 2-0 win over Scotland in London. Though, a reported racist incident, sullied the moment for him. Neymar accused Scottish fans of jeering him racially and throwing a banana onto the field as he prepared to take a penalty. The Tartan Army acknowledged jeering Neymar, because he feigned injury.
Ochocinco: Not concerned enough for a deep musing on Ochocinco’s trial with Sporting KC in MLS. The publicity stunt seemed to work well. It got Chad back on ESPN. It alerted people that the Kansas City Wizards had rebranded. I’m hoping the trend of appropriating European soccer club names out of context continues. A.C. Denver? Borussia San Jose? Boston Wanderers?
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March 28th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
I wish you were. I was thinking this last night when I was watching that little piece of him on Sportscenter.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
I’d add that he’s simply playing, let alone being called up, by default, not merit.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
NO to Borussia San Jose, but they really do need to dump the Earthquakes title. Also curious to see how Ocho does in his reserve team match today…
March 28th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
My guess is that Bob would not play Aguedelo up front by himself as he does not seem to be that type of player at this time. Bob will probably start him with Altidore for the time being. Maybe Bobby Wood will have a really good U20 tournament and get a call up soon. I would rather see him get called up than Findley or EJ.
I wish Altidore played the way he did against Costa Rica(the game after CD9 got injured) as he was going all out for every ball which he should be doing every game.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
They play Paraguay tomorrow downtown here… I passed on going. Not sure if that was a good idea or not, but I hear Larissa Riquelme was going to miss it, so I didn’t see the point.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
pant tightens
Jozy doesn’t seem to have the strikers instinct. Consistently NOT being where he should be or making the wrong run. Passing when he should be shooting. Shooting when he should be passing.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
The 1-1 score was about as flattering as it gets. If not for Howard proving he’s a world class keeper, the score would have been closer to 5-1. I know Altidore is young, but he’s not soccer-young. He should be better than he is. He is unable to be the holding striker that he needs to be in a 4-5-1. How many times did he turn and go 1-on-3 as opposed to holding the ball and waiting for help? What continues to plague the U.S. is a lack of class in the attacking midfield. I’m not talking wingers, I’m talking a solid distributer in the center mid. We’ve never really had one, and I don’t one coming in the near future either.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
By the way, I’m curious as to how duffy became such a big soccer fan. Were your parents european or something?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
This, a million times this. This is why Landon Donovan is such disappointment and a waste. F the MLS. If we want to compete on the international stage, our best players have to develop over there.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
The pizza place said a half hour or it’s free.
/NHOH
March 28th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Not a big Stu Holden fan, Gods?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Altidore going 1 vs 3 was very annoying. I’m surprised they kept passing it to him when they knew they would not be getting it back.
I think Holden would be a better option than where Edu played vs Arg, but I don’t know how much better he would be. Would have been nice to see him play in these 2 games.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
I think the hope right now is that Holden can be this player. Obviously he has to get and stay healthy in order to do this, but he’s the current hope.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Holden would definitely have been in squad if not for Jonny Evans’ assassination attempt that took out his knee.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Oh, I also think we need to take Gooch out to pasture. He’s fucking terrible. He panics the moment he gets the ball and just drills it up the field. You can’t do that at this level. You need to be able to pick out a teammate and keep the fucking ball away from the other team. I’m tired of a system that admits defeat possession-wise. Why can’t we at least attempt to hold onto the ball more?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
A lot better. Holden’s a stud.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
he didn’t mean to do it. He is a nice lad, he is, guvna!
/sarcasm
//english media sucks
March 28th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
I need to see him do it for the U.S. first, but he certainly is one that I forgot about in my rant. I just hope he can come back healthy.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Our defenders aren’t good enough to hold and give the attack time to set up. Other teams know this as well. They are efficient enough to mark and clear. That’s it. We have no really special backs that can take advantage of turnovers.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Germany/Brazil in the next world cup finals is going to be epic.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
pant tightens further
March 28th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
How did Davies look this past weekend? I have not watched him since his return other than highlights. Any chance he makes it back to a level close to where he was before the accident?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
I do agree that more U.S. players need to play and be brought up playing in Europe in the near future, however, Landon has not been a disappointment to the USMNT. He’s the leading scorer on our NT and has done that while playing in the MLS. F the MLS is just an ignorant statement. THe reason why the MLS is not on par is because it is still a young league time-wise but it’s still improving. What will really help the USMNT in the long run, is the MLS continuing to improve and get more European players so that Americans won’t have to go to Europe to play against the best and so young Americans will see that soccer is a legit sport to get into and grow up wanting to play it more while still staying “home.”
March 28th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
I watched Neymar for the first time over the weekend. Kid looks like he’s going to be a stud. I will also bet a large sum of money that Germany doesn’t win shit in 2014. No way a bunch of Krauts are walking into South America and winning the world cup. I’d say Argentina will be the favorite and then Brazil.
Gooch has no shot whatsoever to hold possession and neither does DeMerrit, so you may be right about that, but why not play the ball out to a wing or an outside back? Why does Gooch insist on drilling the ball to no one?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
He got a nice late goal for DC United on Saturday.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Sadly Jozy Altidore seems to be going down the same path of Freddie Adu and Eddie Johnson: much touted, much potential and not much at the end of it. The next great American soccer hope amounting to not much.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
THe reason why the MLS is not on par is because it is still a young league time-wise but it’s still improving.
Is over expansion a concern at all?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
This is very possible. They might be the most talented team on the planet at that point. I’m praying they play Spain at somepoint next year during Euro.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
If they keep expanding in the next couple years, yes. If not, no. Getting teams in Portland and Vancouver was smart because they actually have the fan bases to back it up. Soccer is big in those areas so having a professional team that kids can look up to in those areas is a great thing.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
Sadly, I’m beginning to agree with this sentiment. I think Altidore is a better version of Eddie Johnson, but not by much. As Duffy said, he doesn’t play fast, he lumbers around. If Davis were healthy, I’d rather see him and the young kid start and have Altidore watch from the bench.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
20 is a nice even number. They should just stop at that. Not enough talent or fan base to support beyond that many teams. I’m curious as to what effect the two canadian teams will have on the Canadian national team. World cup in 10-15 years?
March 28th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
I would much rather that than him try to do something even slightly more complicated. We don’t have that many better options just yet. But yeah, dude needs to be replaced as soon as we’re able.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
Viva Espana! Great 2-1 comeback win on Friday. They controlled that entire game but Cech kept the Czechs in the game and in the lead for most of that match.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
way to kill my boner, dude.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
fernando torres has a nice post-houston T-Mac glow about him.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
No shit, thankfully there’s Villa and a handful of younger talent coming up to fill in. He just took a nose dive off a cliff real fast.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Getting teams in Portland and Vancouver was smart because they actually have the fan bases to back it up. Soccer is big in those areas so having a professional team that kids can look up to in those areas is a great thing.
I agree with the first part, but there has to be a balance between attracting fans and maintaining the quality of the league. I’m not overly familiar with the MLS, anytime you see a league add the number of teams they have recently you tend to question whether it’s too much too soon.
I can’t really speak for Toronto, but Vancouver has a number of failed professional soccer teams (NASL, CSL, USL) in its history. The Whitecaps will do fine in terms of attendance in the short term but it won’t last unless there is on field success.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
@der kaiser – to get that boner back: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/raphael_honigstein/03/23/10.germanstars/index.html
Germany will be absolutely stacked for 2012 and 2014.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
This, a million times this. This is why Landon Donovan is such disappointment and a waste. F the MLS. If we want to compete on the international stage, our best players have to develop over there.
F this comment.
I do agree that more U.S. players need to play and be brought up playing in Europe in the near future, however, Landon has not been a disappointment to the USMNT. He’s the leading scorer on our NT and has done that while playing in the MLS. F the MLS is just an ignorant statement. THe reason why the MLS is not on par is because it is still a young league time-wise but it’s still improving. What will really help the USMNT in the long run, is the MLS continuing to improve and get more European players so that Americans won’t have to go to Europe to play against the best and so young Americans will see that soccer is a legit sport to get into and grow up wanting to play it more while still staying “home.”
This x 1,000. I’d rather Jozy have stayed in MLS and kept scoring goals and getting PLAYING TIME for the Red Bulls than go to Europe and be a benchwarmer. I said it over the weekend and I’ll say it again: I believe the Europeans do lure some of our younger guys over there with the $, then sit them and basically watch the talent evaporate. This then hurts our national team overall. Cause the fucking Euros know that if America ever gets close to equal footing….RUT-ROH, RORGE.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
I’m curious as to what effect the two canadian teams will have on the Canadian national team. World cup in 10-15 years?
Honestly, I think the impact will be negligible, the best athletes will continue to migrate towards hockey. Soccer might last for a few generations with families moving here from Europe/Africa/etc, but it seems that eventually they are assimilated into the hockey culture.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
sports is the ultimate meritocracy. I don’t think european clubs care about american national team. Hell, they don’t even care about their own national team. If you are good, you will play. Simple as that.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Germany should roll over everyone in 2012 and they will surely be the best European team in 2014…but Messi will be 27 and still in his prime and Argentina will have plenty of “prime-year” talent as well. I think the home continent soil will be a big deal for the South American teams.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
The only things the Germans successfully do in South America is hide their war crimes.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
I said it over the weekend and I’ll say it again:
Held, I responded to you on the weekend on that post. Classic big fish little pond vs. little fish big pond. I’m under the belief that the players should go where the best competition is, even if it means that some talents are stagnated.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Case in point: Arsene Wenger. He fucking hates it when his players are called up for national team duty.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
Geez, it’s a little bit of 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other. On one hand, you just can’t put a price on being coached, and training with, the best in the world. On the other hand, how can you utilize what you’re learning if you never step foot onto the pitch to actually do it? You really need to get that feel for the ball and game speed to be effective, and you can’t do that if you’re not getting into games.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Held, I responded to you on the weekend on that post. Classic big fish little pond vs. little fish big pond. I’m under the belief that the players should go where the best competition is, even if it means that some talents are stagnated.
I get where you’re coming from, but great pro athletes in the NFL, NBA, etc. come from small colleges and turn out fine. I value consistent gametime probably like you value training with the bigger clubs.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
I tend to agree with this. Especially now that MLS is getting better skillwise (though it obviously isn’t very good yet)
March 28th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Geez, it’s a little bit of 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other.
Absolutely a double edged sword. Getting fat off the MLS competition (assuming he would dominate) might be a boon for Altidore’s confidence, but if he wasn’t challenged he might get complacent. Some guys have the inner drive, some don’t.
I still believe going to Europe is the better alternative and as I mentioned above, I understand this stance may lead to talents such as Altidore being stagnated.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Absolutely a double edged sword. Getting fat off the MLS competition (assuming he would dominate) might be a boon for Altidore’s confidence, but if he wasn’t challenged he might get complacent. Some guys have the inner drive, some don’t.
I still believe going to Europe is the better alternative and as I mentioned above, I understand this stance may lead to talents such as Altidore being stagnated.
I just think Jozy was just coming into his own in the MLS and got shipped off too soon. Maybe that’s the thing…? Like I have no doubts Lando could handle the pressure NOW. I just think maybe we’re letting the younger guys go too soon. Let them “feast” in the MLS as starters for a few years before letting them go abroad.
March 28th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
I just think maybe we’re letting the younger guys go too soon. Let them “feast” in the MLS as starters for a few years before letting them go abroad.
If the quality of the MLS continues to improve and the average pay increases I can see this being a viable option.
March 28th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Ozil, Mueller, and Bastian will be in their mid 20s, too. They’re just like the Spanish team, a bunch of guys that play with each other internationally and within proximity at the club level. They will be battle tested by 2014. Plus, there is a strong contigent of German-Brazilians in Brazil. Playing there won’t be that big of a deal.
March 28th, 2011 at 3:06 PM
I really think it will be, and I’m hoping so too!