Hypocrisy, Safety and the Kickoff Rule Change
Nineteen. Devin Hester has nineteen kick returns . . . over the last two seasons combined. The ”Devin Hester” Rule? Really? But that’s what we have right now, a whole lot of hyperbole. Twenty-three. That’s the number of kick return touchdowns last year. It’s also the total number from 1981-1985. I assure you, the game was just fine and plenty exciting then. The last few years have been the anomaly, when compared to football history, when it comes to kickoff returns. The question for you: are you willing to roll that back a little to have a few less concussions and serious injuries?
The NFL actually makes a rule change designed to reduce the number of serious injuries, and all I read is whining from the same people who have been staunchly opposed to any increase in the number of games on the grounds of player safety. I’m beginning to think that the common thread is fear of change, and not concern about player safety at all.
You can’t complain about corruption and pork spending, but then vote for your local congressman because you like that local project. Tough choices have to be made. The NFL has always been, and will always be, about evolving and changing. It will not ultimately survive or thrive many years from now if it does not address with greater focus head injuries. If you really are for player safety, well, then why do you want that one extra kickoff a game at the expense of concussions?
I haven’t seen the internal data the NFL competition committee and owners reviewed before voting on this proposal. They tell us that injuries are higher on kickoffs. I know there is alot of distrust around the NFL right now, but this move runs counter to the natural order of changes by professional leagues, which is usually to promote scoring. This will deflate it some, because of decreases in field position after a touchdown, reduced number of fumbles on kickoffs creating short fields, and kickoff returns for touchdown. This certainly isn’t a popular choice being made to increase scoring and cater to the mob.
While I don’t have access to the NFL’s data, I did find this study on high school athletes, entitled “Effects of Time in Competition, Phase of Play, and Field Location on Injury Severity in High School Football” by Ellen E. Yard. Some of the lowlights as it relates to injuries for high school football players:
- 32.7% of injuries on kickoffs and punts were “severe” (defined as 21 or more missed days), compared to 19.3% on other plays.
- 20.3% of injuries on kickoffs and punts were concussions, compared to 10.9% on other plays.
I’ll leave it to you to decide how relevant those directional findings are to the NFL (which is saying, like that study, that serious injuries occur more frequently on kickoffs). I find it to be pretty self-evident that serious injury rates and concussions would be higher on plays where the acceleration portion of the Mass times Acceleration formula was greatly increased.
But Heaven Forbid that we have a few more touchbacks and a few less concussions. Will this solve the problem? Absolutely not. Is it a step? Yes. The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good. This does not preclude pursuing other safety measures and making other cost/benefit decisions for the overall health of the game’s future.
So how many touchbacks are we talking about anyway? I’ve seen plenty of hyperbole on this, so I went back and found as many kickers as I could who were kicking from 1992-1995, the two years before and after the change to 30 yards from the pre-existing 35 yard line for kickoffs. Here is a summary of their touchbacks before and after the rule change, sorted by touchback percentage before the change.
| 1992-1993 (35 yd line) | 1994-1995 (30 yd line) | |||||||||
| First | Last | TB | KO | TB PCT | TB | KO | TB PCT | DIFF | ||
| Morten | Andersen | 73 | 157 | 0.465 | 41 | 164 | 0.250 | 0.215 | ||
| Jason | Hanson | 60 | 142 | 0.423 | 23 | 169 | 0.136 | 0.286 | ||
| Jeff | Jaeger | 51 | 137 | 0.372 | 8 | 119 | 0.067 | 0.305 | ||
| Steve | Christie | 52 | 159 | 0.327 | 12 | 160 | 0.075 | 0.252 | ||
| Chip | Lohmiller | 41 | 129 | 0.318 | 6 | 105 | 0.057 | 0.261 | ||
| Dean | Biasucci | 31 | 111 | 0.279 | 4 | 103 | 0.039 | 0.240 | ||
| Matt | Stover | 35 | 131 | 0.267 | 12 | 149 | 0.081 | 0.187 | ||
| Fuad | Reveiz | 35 | 148 | 0.236 | 9 | 171 | 0.053 | 0.184 | ||
| Gary | Anderson | 34 | 148 | 0.230 | 11 | 143 | 0.077 | 0.153 | ||
| Nick | Lowery | 33 | 149 | 0.221 | 0 | 63 | 0.000 | 0.221 | ||
| Greg | Davis | 27 | 124 | 0.218 | 4 | 122 | 0.033 | 0.185 | ||
| John | Kasay | 24 | 112 | 0.214 | 6 | 138 | 0.043 | 0.171 | ||
| Al | Del Greco | 32 | 161 | 0.199 | 1 | 136 | 0.007 | 0.191 | ||
| Pete | Stoyanovich | 30 | 159 | 0.189 | 10 | 172 | 0.058 | 0.131 | ||
| Norm | Johnson | 20 | 145 | 0.138 | 4 | 140 | 0.029 | 0.109 | ||
| Kevin | Butler | 2 | 20 | 0.100 | 1 | 31 | 0.032 | 0.068 | ||
| Chris | Jacke | 13 | 150 | 0.087 | 1 | 87 | 0.011 | 0.075 | ||
The average change was an 18.9% decrease with the move back 5 yards. You may notice that the top of the list saw larger dropoffs, and the effect was to bunch touchbacks up more tightly. This is why, contrary to some opinions out there, I think the kickoff specialist will still be employed. The larger increases in touchback rates will come to those few at the top who have the highest rates already. (Here’s a list from NFL.com of the touchback rates for 2010).
It’s not going suddenly turn kickers like Mason Crosby (less than 5% touchbacks in 2010) into touchback machines, as I don’t think he’ll get to 25%. If you look at the bottom of the list, at guys like Kevin Butler, I think you will see that veteran weak legged kickers are not likely to be worth it on kickoffs from the 35. If it takes a kick at the extreme far left tail of the spectrum to get you a touchback, a move of five yards isn’t going to jump your touchback rate all that much.
Overall, we are probably talking about one touchback per team per game. That’s 16 fewer returns per team over a season. That’s about 5-6 total return touchdowns over the course of the season’s 256 games. How many serious concussions, on the most dangerous play in the game, are 5-6 more exciting touchdowns worth so you can feel happy? I’ll try to quickly ballpark some numbers, based on knowing that 3.7 players were injured per team per week in 2010. I’ll show my work so you can plug in your own numbers.
Kickoffs make up more than 5% but less than 10% of a team’s plays, I’m going with 10% of injuries on kickoffs if they are a little more frequent on that play. That gets us 0.37 per team per week. Multiply that by 32 teams and 16 games, and that is 189 total injuries on kickoffs. But there not eliminating kickoffs, despite the hyperbole. Returns will drop by about 25%. That means about 45 injuries, of which some percentage are serious concussions and long term injuries.
It’s not going to solve the overall problem, just reduce it by a few sand pebbles at the expense of a some kickoffs. Is that worth it, to donate one kickoff a game? For me, yes, it’s a step. Every player safety advocate will have to answer that for themselves. But you have to make choices and give up something, and not just complain.
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March 23rd, 2011 at 2:16 PM
DIIIIICCCCKKKKKKFFFFFAAAACCEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Legend.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Whatever, they’ll just move the kickoff back to the 30 in 15 years
/NFL rules are loosey-goosey
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:20 PM
The ”Devin Hester” Rule? Really?
Being a Bears fan I liken this to the Wilt Chamberlain rule when they widened the lane and Lew Alcinder rule that banned dunking.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:21 PM
I’m going to be at Monday Night Raw on March 28th. The last Raw before Wrestlemania. The Rock will be there too…girlfriends are awesome. Rosemont Illinois..Allstate Arena
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Jeff Reed would only kick 2 touchbacks a year if he was still around.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:23 PM
The last Raw before Wrestlemania. The Rock will be there too…girlfriends are awesome. Rosemont Illinois..Allstate Arena
Stone Cold too?
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I can’t believe ppl care enough about this rule to warrant multiple postings. It’s a fucking kickoff.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:26 PM
They made this rule change (and no others this season) in the hopes of helping improve safety. I have a very hard time believing this was the absolute best option to improve safety in the league.
I’d like a break down of how many injuries came during kick offs and how many came from punting.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Yep, that’s about it.
Ah, Fuad Reveiz. The only kicker in NFL history to be called for unnecessary roughness. Not once, but twice. Loved that guy.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 PM
I’m more concerned how this will affect Robbie Gould than Devin Hester, actually. Might actually see some touchbacks this season.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 PM
You know why? Because I’m still pissed about the kid gloves we are treating football players with.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 PM
I have a very hard time believing this was the absolute best option to improve safety in the league.
No one (perhaps a gross generalization) wants wholesale changes to the game. A number of incremental changes are likely the way it’s going to be.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:28 PM
That’d be awesome as well
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:29 PM
That has the ability to change momentum at the drop of a hat. It’s a huge deal.
/broken record
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Lefty promised us motorized scooters months ago on kickoffs. Then he quit. I demand tribute for my patience and satisfaction for lack of motorized scooters!
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
I agree with your take on this, but you can’t help but view this cynically, in light of the specter of an 18 game season.
Can they make a rule to use Jeff Pash as a training camp tackling dummy if and when the NFL ever plays again?
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
They have a helmet that is more concussion proof than the standard one they are using. Why don’t they make that mandatory? Are all players required to use mouth guards yet? Why hasn’t that been made mandatory. I would rather change aesthetics about the game than the play on the field.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Nobody is saying, or has ever said, this was the “absolute best option” BUT it’s the easiest and most cost effective option to implement now and right away. It’s just one step on the way to making things safer, it’s not the ONLY step.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Its been said before, but its not the big total number that happens during kickoff, but the really severe ones. The Bills/Rutgers players who are paralyzed. Lots of concussions, especially for unknown special teamers.
As a Steeler fan this is wonderful news for both our pitiful return game as well as their piss poor coverage.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:32 PM
And is it just me, or is there at least one rule change every year that directly correlates to how the Colts lost in the playoffs the year before?
/Polian’d
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Like, I don’t understand what we don’t get about this. I guess I’m just ignorant/naive about the efforts to make a brutal and violent game less brutal and violenty at the cost of competition when you know, going in, the dangers of the game. I’m too thick to process that.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
You’ll have a helluva time getting players to follow this one. They’ll have the mouthguard, but there’s no guarantee it’s in their mouth all the time. Proof.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Ssssh. Youre going to start another stupid helmet fight.
Agree, though.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
/High fives coop
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Excellent question.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
And is it just me, or is there at least one rule change every year that directly correlates to how the Colts lost in the playoffs the year before?
If there was merit to this, shouldn’t we place blame on the other members of the Competition Committee for allowing it to happen?
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:34 PM
I won’t pretend that it hasn’t gone through my mind.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:34 PM
This used to be more fun when there was an actual bear around here to poke. Now, it’s like a fart in the wind.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:35 PM
In a league that fines you thousands of dollars for having your uniform look slightly incorrect, fuck yes they will.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:35 PM
This year, it improved 1000 percent from the 09 season. Except for the Brad Smith TD, they did a very good job.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:36 PM
Kickoff returns are fluky in nature. Wouldn’t mind taking them out of the game completely.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:38 PM
You mean the kick return that was the difference in that game and was fielded at the 2?
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:38 PM
And is it just me, or is there at least one rule change every year that directly correlates to how the Colts lost in the playoffs the year before?
/Polian’d
This would help Colts as their kick coverage team sucks ass.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Pours some out for BSanders.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Mort was on ESPN radio this am saying this rule hurst Brown because money invested in Cribbs.
No wonder the Browns suck.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:39 PM
I think you are making an assumption that this is about protecting the person who returns the kick. Sure it is, but it’s just as much about everyone else on the field during the kickoff. Punting is different, most of the players start right next to each other – so there’s not an 11 on 11 running start smashoff.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Because the Fab Five thinks the concussion helmets look gay.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 PM
But what about kickoffs AFTER SAFETIES? Competition compromised.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 PM
See: AFC divisional game vs Jets last year. Antonio fucking Cromartie.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:43 PM
So everyone should start their offense on the 20? Apparently I’m an asshole for thinking field position is important in football.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:43 PM
See Polian’s quote right after that game:
“Polian, entering his 14th season as the Colts’ president, said during his weekly radio show this week that the team’s offense and defense played well enough to win their first-round playoff game. It was, he said, two kickoff coverages — particularly one late in the game — that cost the team a 17-16 loss to the New York Jets in an AFC Wild Card playoff game at Lucas Oil Stadium Saturday.”
And, look at that, rule change.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:43 PM
Exactly. Needed a big play from the KR, got one. I wouldn’t call that very fluky.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:46 PM
cough**brady rule**cough**pussy qbs**cough
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:47 PM
it is important. But since kickoff returns are really fluky, I don’t think they should influence field position.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:48 PM
No. They are not really fluky. KR TDS are rare, but KR yardage is not.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Cough cough Carson Palmer actually got the rule created, ‘Brady rule’ only added a provision, cough cough
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:50 PM
No I’m not. I’m saying you’re combining the number of injuries for kick offs and punts and using that number as a reason for instituting a rule only applicable to kick offs. It’s skewing the stats. How can you improve the injury rate of two plays (kick offs and punts) when only making a change to one of the plays?
I’m also saying implementing safer helmets and having mandatory mouth guard rules would help infinitely more than moving up the kick off spot.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:50 PM
I think we’re missing the point..I’m going to Raw March 28th and get to see the Rock at the last Raw before Wrestlemania..
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:51 PM
cough cough that you cant look in his direction too long or it is a flag provision? cough cough seriously Brady gets protected more than any QB in the league cough cough
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Special teams wasn’t viewed nearly as strategically back then as it is now. Bad comparison.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:52 PM
This, motherfucking this. And it wouldnt effect the actual play on the field.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Gotta protect the hair, baby!
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Hey, ladies, stop being so emotionally unstable and irrational and give me credit for comment 18.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Jersey and SG and everybody else who is so determinedly opposed to this – why does this change back to the way the rule was for most of the history of the game bother you so much? It’s not like moving the kickoff line to the 30 was a move toward the future, it’s an arbitrary line that changed to hoepfully improve scoring. It did that at the cost of more injuries. Now that the rules for offense & defense have changed to encourage more scoring, the tradeoff is seen as less of a necessity. Your uproar makes my brain hurt
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:54 PM
unpossible
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:54 PM
I’m also saying implementing safer helmets and having mandatory mouth guard rules would help infinitely more than moving up the kick off spot.
These are as much a responsibility of the union (or whatever we refer to them now) as anything.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:55 PM
cough cough the provision was about diving at qb legs from the ground cough cough the year after the provision the pats defense was the most penalized roughing the passer defense in the league cough cough give me a break about this biased bullshit HACK HACK
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Jersey, it’s a losing argument. Your comment was the same thing me and ms were bringing up yesterday. Don’t even bother my man.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:56 PM
Well I can’t remember where every kickoff is fielded at. Mind you that I’m under the influence every game I attend.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Bullshit, Jersey agrees with us.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
/hands the entire thread a bag of Halls
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Fixed
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
cough still doesnt change the fact the Brady is gets more protection form the refs than anybody in the NFL cough cough He’s Touchdown Tawmy! a TRUE GREATRIOT! cawff cawff but still gets protected cawff cawff
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
And cover your fucking mouths you sickos.
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Don’t play alot of video games anymore, but i will be picking up WWE all stars, looks fucking tits
March 23rd, 2011 at 2:59 PM
And, look at that, rule change.
cough**
bradyPeyton Manning rule**cough**pussy qbs**coughWho do you thinks bullies..err runs..err is a major person on the competition committee?
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 PM
Stark: I’ve got a long, long answer for that, but I have a meeting. Here are the cliff notes.
1.) There are other changes that can be made that aren’t. Pretty much my biggest beef.
2.) I’d rather those changes be made before you take out/reduce the significance of something that indicates how good a football team is.
3.) I am CERTAIN that Polian spearheaded this shit with part of his own agenda in mind.
2.)
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 PM
FWIW before you try burning me with fire for not thinking this is a terrible rule or that this somehow means I’m pro-18 game season and opposed to studying the game more thoroughly for more reasoned safety recommendations (none of those things are true) let me point out that it’s idiotic that the NFL doesn’t fine players for not wearing a mouthguard
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:00 PM
No CJ, ms and I brought up the concussion reducing helmets yesterday and SG kept telling us that players can’t wear them and there were rules against it, even though there are not. I also pated part of an article relating to the possible liability scare that the NFL is worried about by saying “you have to wear helmet X” because when (not if) players get hurt wearing helmet X, the NFL is afraid the players will run to them with lawsuites saying that they got hurt because they couldn’t choose their own helmet to wear. That’s why I was saying don’t even bother about the helmets.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Yep. Leaves for meeting.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:01 PM
yeah and good Ol’ JR is doing commentary..
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Well, for the 100th fucking time, it’s because there are other things they could have implemented first that would have a higher impact on safety that wouldn’t change the game. Also, I hate hypocrites. Don’t talk about being concerned with safety and increase the season to 18 games.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Are you saying that I have a drinking problem?
/I might
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 PM
man how much hate runs in your veins that you immediately jump on this being about Polian and the Colts? There was A LOT more to that game that cost them the game than the kickoffs. Cromartie’s returns were just the frosting on the cake.
In all his vast power and knowledge, you think Polian would’ve fired Caldwell by now considering his incompetence.
/ STOP HATING.
// Brady will always be the most protected
/// GO Colts.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 PM
There are lots of other changes to be made but what is with this ordered priorities list bullshit? Every change for safety that doesn’t change the way the game is played (you are advocating a tactical advantage at the expense of player safety, btw, not something that changes the actual physical interaction of the kickoff) is a positive. Take the positive now, build for more in the future
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Meant for myself, but could apply to you too
/I do have a drinking problem when sports are involved.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Jersey and SG and I want the NFL to make these helmets mandatory. They are not yet. I really didnt care about the stupid tangent you and ms decided to take the argument.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 PM
I would say something further, but then I realized that DeSean scored on a punt return.
/suck it Giants
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Good job by those who called out Coop for his idiotic “the West is a overrated pile of feces” comment in the Ballin’ thread.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:06 PM
Well, for the 100th fucking time, it’s because there are other things they could have implemented first that would have a higher impact on safety that wouldn’t change the game. Also, I hate hypocrites. Don’t talk about being concerned with safety and increase the season to 18 games.
So you are hypocritically in favor of leaving kickoffs as they are at the expense of a few extra injuries because there are other things causing more injuries?
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:06 PM
Jersey and SG and I want the NFL to make these helmets mandatory. They are not yet.
Can we please stop blaming the league for the helmets? If the players wanted them to be mandatory they would be.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:06 PM
That Eagles defender’s soft graze of Manning’s helmet last year disagrees
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:07 PM
And for the 1,000th time, this is not the only change that will come. This is simply the easiest thing they can do. Does it make sense? Nope, not totally. But this is something that the owners can change without the players input, and that’s most likely why they did it in the first place. I do agree with your idea though, because I too think they need to start regulating what helmets the players wear if it’s going to help reduce concussion.
And I 100% agree with this!
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:07 PM
You implement a fucking rule that says, “the helmet you choose to wear must meet ____ level of concussion standards or you will be fined and/or suspended.”
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM
All this discussion of Brady being the most protected QB needs this photo.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM
As do I, I think it’s BS that they aren’t. But the NFL CAN NOT change that without the players involvement. Well guess what, they just locked the fucking players out! The owners and league are making changes to things they can change WITHOUT the players approval.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME IF YOU DON’T THINK THE RULE MAKES SENSE?! That’s exactly what I’m saying!!! This is a stupid rule change being made under the guise of player safety! They could be doing so many other things that will have a much greater impact on safety than this stupid rule!
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:10 PM
I totally agree, but it can’t happen without the players approval.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 PM
The 8th seed in the west this year will have close to 48 wins. The 8th seed in the east may not crack 35.
/fin
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:11 PM
I would say something further, but then I realized that DeSean scored on a punt return.
/suck it Giants
Ya know, we had this one fleeting moment when when I thought we were cool talking about good beer, awesome bars, and nice liquor stores in Jersey. Then you have to bring up this shit. Fuck you man!!
/runs in a corner and cries
//just kidding
///all good.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:12 PM
Yeah, that was a bad call in favor of the QB. Brady’s entire career has been this.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 PM
That comment needed to be attacked. It was reprehensible.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 PM
Oh for fuck’s sake. Quit focusing on the helmets. It’s one example we came up with to improve safety. We’re saying there are other things the league could do that would be more effective at improving safety issues on the field than this lame attempt.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:13 PM
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME IF YOU DON’T THINK THE RULE MAKES SENSE?!
lol.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Hes no different than any other fucking marqee quarterback is what im saying. For fuck’s sake.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:17 PM
That’s what’s being focused on because that’s the only thing that’s been tossed out there. What other suggestions do you have?
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:17 PM
I’m still a Phils/Eagles fan first and foremost. But we can both agree…fuck the Cowboys.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
So you mean don’t do something they never planned on doing in the first place and are essentially using as a bargaining chip?
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
We’ll never agree on this.
Plus you’re wrong.
/finished.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 PM
Talking to these guys is like trying to reason with your dog. They don’t understand spoken or written word.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 PM
And then we get called ‘emotional’ or ‘bitchy’ because we get frustrated about saying the same things over and over.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 PM
It is week to talk about “hyperbole” in the post and then go ahead and include data for punt returns in your argument for a rule that only affects kickoffs…
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 PM
*weak
/FUCK!
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Yeah, the reason YOU can’t understand english is because I’m on my period.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Hahaha! At least in mine and CJs argument lets not act like either of us presented a real case for our side. I stated a common perception and CJ used one anecdotal piece of evidence. I don’t think we’re in some heated argument here.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
Well he is a little different.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
SG you are opposed to this rule change beyond all bounds of sanity. Do you think it does NOTHING to make the game safer? Yesterday you asked for a statistical analysis to back up the idea that kickoffs are more dangerous than other plays. You got that and then shifted to helmets. When it becomes clear that proponents of this rule change are categorically NOT opposed to making helmets safer you say that the helmets thing is just one issue. Well, the kickoff returns are just one issue. And it’s being addressed. Now move onto ANOTHER safety issue and work on that. Hypocrite is not synonymous for “person that doesn’t kowtow to me”
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
My dog seems to understand what I tell him pretty well.
Just because you keep saying the same thing over and over doesn’t mean it’s all of a sudden going to make better sense or become right.
/loves playing the stubborn male role, it’s fun
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 PM
Gold.
/fist bumps stark
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 PM
And by the way you East Coast/Midwest assholes, if your wife cooks you Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner, get off your ass and do the fucking dishes!
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Smells like bewb secks in here.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 PM
So basically Peyton Manning, in all his years in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE has had only 1 questionable call go in his favor? Oh, OK then. My bad.
Just because we can’t come up with all the fucking questionable calls against Pey Pey right off the bat, doesn’t mean that they never happened. If you don’t think Polian basically runs the competition committee, you’re fucking delusional. Firing Caldwell and making favorable rules to benefit his own QBs have nothing to do with each other.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
No, I got a stat that said the combined number of injuries during kickoffs and punts is higher than the rest of plays on the field, and a rule change that only affects kickoffs.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Who fucking said that? How obtuse can you get?
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Didnt mean to direct that yell at you there devang. I see you agree with me.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:33 PM
eah, that was a bad call in favor of the QB. Brady’s entire career has been this.
It was response to this
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I stated a common perception and CJ used one anecdotal piece of evidence.
this
How obtuse can you get?
A lot sometimes.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Didnt mean to direct that yell at you there devang. I see you agree with me.
No worries CJ, all’s good.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:37 PM
And by the way you East Coast/Midwest assholes, if your wife cooks you Thanksgiving/Christmas dinner, get off your ass and do the fucking dishes
Easy for you to say, we can’t hire cheap Mexican labor like you west coast assholes!
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:38 PM
I’m still a Phils/Eagles fan first and foremost. But we can both agree…fuck the Cowboys.
Oh hell yeah!
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:40 PM
I’d appreciate if you could please quote where I said that he has only had one ever.
My “argument” was that Brady gets more than average. REGARDLESS of that, neither of us presented any sort of case that is worth getting riled up about.
I obviously know that Polian has a great deal of pull in the competition committee but there was much more to that game (clock management was a big one). I think that generalizing every rule that is changed as being because of Polian is unfair considering he doesn’t have sole say in what is changed. If all these multi billionaires are letting on guy push around his agenda with such ease the NFL has a lot more to worry about than they think.
March 23rd, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Bravo to this post, Mr. Dick Face