NFL Moves Kickoffs Back To 35-yard Line
Kickoffs Return to 35, Touchbacks Stay the Same: The owners voted to adopt the rule change proposal to move kickoffs back to the 35 yard line, where they were prior to 1994. The touchbacks, which were discussed as potentially moving to the 25 yard line (I thought such a move would negate the point of moving the kickoff point), will still stay the same. Teams will also be allowed 2 man wedges.
I look forward to reading the angst by those so opposed to an 18-game schedule because of concern for player safety, but who will opposed to this because it will ruin football. Because 2 kickoff returns a year like they had in 1976 was not football. Apparently, injuries are absolutely perfect as they are, and reducing them on one of the most high impact plays in the game isn’t worth that one extra td you might see if you attend 10 NFL games. [ESPN]
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March 22nd, 2011 at 1:36 PM
DICK FACE!!!!!
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Dick Face! Dick Face you came back to us!
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 PM
More like a 100-liner, amiright?
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 PM
Apparently, injuries are absolutely perfect as they are, and reducing them on one of the most high impact plays in the game isn’t worth that one extra td you might see if you attend 10 NFL games.
It’s this kind of dick-facedness that would have you turn our beloved game into flag football
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 PM
so the nflpa (pours one out) has no say? because this is no good for hangers-on, or young guns trying to make a roster/name
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 PM
A.) You should have changed the author name to dickface just this one time.
B.) What about the advantage a team gets for having better than average special teams?
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:39 PM
For those writing Devin Hester’s obit, his biggest contributions are on punt returns not kick off’s.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:40 PM
It’s not a pressing issue, but I always wanted to see them put the chip in the football. It was brought up a few years back during a Ravens/Steelers game where Holmes barely got in, but was forgotten thereafter.
it’d be fun to see the chip “activate” when it crossed the goal line.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 PM
Become better on offense and it doesn’t really matter…also I don’t think this is a guarantee that every kickoff will be a touchback, how many kicks are caught at the 10 (especially once the weather turns for the outdoors teams)? So now they’ll be caught at the five
/Math!
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:42 PM
For those writing Devin Hester’s obit, his biggest contributions are on punt returns not kick off’s.
This is absolutely true. Best PR all time, but more average on kickoffs.
Josh Cribbs is the kickoff returner extraordinaire.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:43 PM
There will still be punt returns, playa.
Also, there are plenty of kickers who still won’t reach the endzone on every kickoff.
On the other hand, I wonder if the Browns and Bears are second-guessing paying big money to return men.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:43 PM
so the nflpa (pours one out) has no say? because this is no good for hangers-on, or young guns trying to make a roster/name
did they reduce roster size from 53 to something else?
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:43 PM
Sharpie is out for 3 weeks.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:45 PM
Also, there are plenty of kickers who still won’t reach the endzone on every kickoff.
Unless teams employ true kickoff specialist, they won’t get above 50% even with the 35. veterans like Akers and Kasay aren’t getting above 20%
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:46 PM
Lisk, Dante Hall wants his autographed jersey back…
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:46 PM
This is happening. Also, we’re unlikely to make the playoffs now. Put the chances at 25%.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:46 PM
But there will be more. I don’t want to live in a world where kickers have acquired MORE value.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Also, we’re unlikely to make the playoffs now. Put the chances at 25%.
Hawks are still 88% to make it, though this likely doesn’t account for Sharp’s absence.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 PM
REPOST
Here’s a list of things you could do to improve player safety that will be 100% more effective than getting rid of kick off returns:
1. Hire an independent research facility to improve helmets in such a way that it can decrease the number of concussions.
2. Work with a science team to change field turf to help prevent knee and feet injuries.
3. Use field research on strength and conditioning to implement a routine that will improve technique and reduce injury susceptibility.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:49 PM
But there will be more. I don’t want to live in a world where kickers have acquired MORE value.
This is like saying all hitters acquire more value because the strike zone is bigger. It’s all relative, and the worst will still be less valuable than the best.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 PM
You’re only saying this since you’re saddled with Nick Folk
I think this will end up being like the fallout of the helmet hit rule and it won’t change the game all that much…guys still bust each other up enough during a game, nothing wrong with trying to dial it back just a little bit
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 PM
It’s not about the TDs. Those twenty yards you gain versus kicking the ball out of bounds has the potential to be enormous. You’re going to penalize the possession games where field position ABSOLUTELY matters. Kickoffs were also demoralizing/uplifting to the teams. It’s a huge momentum swing to have the ability to return a TD. Not a fan of the rule.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 PM
All of these things cost millions of dollars. Moving the kickoff costs a grand total of zero dollars.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Question: What reasoning was given in 1994 when the kickoff was moved to the 30? Why must rules be changed in this sport every single year? One of the things baseball does better I think, is very few rules changes.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:53 PM
All of these things cost millions of dollars. Moving the kickoff costs a grand total of zero dollars.
Also, I’m not seeing the part where moving the kickoff line precludes these other things?
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:53 PM
No, it absolutely is not.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 PM
I can get with this.
Field Turf is already much safer than natural grass or astroturf (although I don’t think anyone is still using the hard stuff)
No program is going to improve technique better than solid coaching. As far as reducing injury susceptibility, as long as players are trying to get bigger and faster serious injuries will be a risk.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 PM
At the time they wanted to increase scoring would be my guess, now with all the other rules in place to benefit the offense point production will still be fine
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 PM
Thank you.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:56 PM
So changing the kick off will drastically improve the percentage of concussions and knee injuries? Interesting.
If you are trying to make a stand that you care about player injuries then you can’t just make simple rule changes to save the league money. I think helmet safety is WAY more impactful than getting rid of a kick off.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:56 PM
Can I just state, for the record?:
1. Dick face
2. Flag football
I believe I’ve made myself clear
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:57 PM
They have helmets that do this already, but the NFL doesn’t require the use of said helmets, it’s all on the players to wear whatever the fuck they want.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:58 PM
*=======D
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:58 PM
i think baseball is more cut and dried than football. i think most actions in baseball are either one or the other, there’s not a lot of gray area for rule interpretation. for example, in football, look at all the different ways a fumble is described and what happens when a fumble occurs.
in baseball, if they drop a pop up, it’s not an out, if they catch it, it’s an out. there’s no rules stating a player has to have both feet in fair play and bring the mitt and ball tucked into his chest while making an athletic move to qualify as a catch.
March 22nd, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Its not going to be an automatic touchback every kickoff, as Lisk has described. And unless I’m missing something, a ball kicked out of bounds will still be placed at the 40.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Then require that every team use field turf. Or make sure there’s nothing out there that’s better than field turf.
You lazy fucks can sit there and bash me for being pissed all you want or my ideas that could actually work. But you’re only proving your stupidity if you think a kick off change is going to drastically improve player safety.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:00 PM
I typically think of a “possession game” as a bunch of field goals and punts. If multiple kickoffs are taking place, then there is obviously some scoring going on.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Imagine the amount of games won/lost on the last possession that are affected by this rule. Green Bay was on the short end of a lot of those games last year. Those twenty five and thirty second drives would be a lot harder to come by starting from the twenty than teams that consistently have the ability to get good returns.
Again, let’s just wait to see how many tbs we see, but methinks this won’t be a favorable change and will have a negative impact on the game.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:01 PM
WRONG. check the rule book. They have to wear licensed gear or get fined.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Infield fly rule on line one.
/lawya’d
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
I’m going to lunch, mother fuckers. Everyone except jersey, badger and CJ can go fuck themselves while I’m gone.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
So let me see if I’ve got this straight. Incremental changes that will result in fewer injuries at no cost are a terrible thing that will ruin the game. It’s worth it to let a few extra guys get maimed (they’re just numbers, after all) every year in the time it would take to have a hypothetical independent council (funded by whom, I wonder, since the recommendations they make will cost somebody a lot of money to implement) study the game and make recommendations to change the sport because otherwise you’ve got flag football.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
There are different kinds of licensed helmets though.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
No, you’re wrong. There are already licensed helmets that reduce concussions, but the NFL has no rule regarding a player has to wear a specific helmet so therefore they can choose ANY LICENSED HELMET THEY WANT, whether it reduces concussions or not.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 PM
If you saw GB-ATL in the regular season…that’s they type of game I mean.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Exactly. Know your shit before you go ALL CAPS bat shit crazy.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 PM
But you’re only proving your stupidity if you think a kick off change is going to drastically improve player safety.
Did somebody use the word drastically other than you? Or did you construct that burning straw man on your own?
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Get some food, take a Midol, breathe and then come back.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Another reason I’m in favor of this, defense has been fucked over so many times with rules changes that I like it when they’re thrown even a little bit of a bone
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Whoa, easy now.
I’m not saying that this will dramatically decrease injuries, although the kickoff is probably the most dangerous play in football. I’m just saying that it will not drastically change the game for the worse.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:06 PM
No one was saying that it was, but now there will be more, meaning that you’re taking away opportunities for teams to get an advantage to shorten the field. I think people are underestimating how much of a tactical change this is.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 PM
I think helmets are pretty safe already. I also think that I would be shocked beyond belief if I found out you had more than 15 brain cells rattling around up there.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:08 PM
I miss football. I miss it so much that I went to watch Pittsburgh’s Arena team last Saturday against the Iowa Barnstormers. Nice little entertainment for $12. Too bad beers are still $7.50
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Then I ask… why not make the concussion reducing helmet standard?
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Things are a lot more interesting around here when SG feels strongly about something. All the newbies dont know how to react. More than a few ‘period’ jokes High comedy.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:10 PM
Both teams in a game will be playing by the same rules. There will be no advantage one way or another.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 PM
I think the kick return game is overrated, who amongst recent Super Bowl participants was really strong in that area (paging Dickface Lisk)? Have a good offense and defense first, if you’re relying on special teams that much odds are you’re not good enough to win anyhow
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 PM
I’ve been missing way too much around here lately.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Because they aren’t as cool looking and probably heavier and less comfortable. Same reason NHL had to grandfather in non-helmet wearers and not every major leaguer wears David Wrights Marvin the Martian helmet.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:12 PM
You need to get drunk and pull the trigger then we’ve got a full blown party going today.
/fires up the magic touch
//throws Jersey the iPod
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:12 PM
The Chargers wish people could have thought like this last year.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Because of liability, that’s why. If the NFL says to use Helmet X instead of Helemt Y, and the player gets hurt, they are scared that the player will run out and sue them because they couldn’t choose their own helmet, they got hurt wearing what was mandated.
It’s all about money, not safety.
I think TMQ is usually boring, but Easterbrook actually talks about concussions a lot, and here’s part of one of his articles…
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:13 PM
i hope the NFL has a lockout this season. their sense of self worth is disgusting.
they try and convince the world that their working endlessly to come to an agreement, yet take off weekends during negotiations.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:14 PM
Goddamn, SC just made my day.
/plays Friday
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I can understand her feeling strongly about something, but she’s just talking nonsense in most of her comments. I especially liked the WRONG she said to me when she totally had no clue what I was talking about, and she was in fact wrong. I’m laughing over here at what she’s saying, it’s high comedy to me too!
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Yea, that too. I suppose this could be negotiated in collective bargaining though. Make players sign a waiver or something.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:16 PM
If having a historically bad special teams unit is the counter here I’m going to stand pat on my overrated stance…and again, making a five yard change on kickoffs isn’t going to change the importance special teams do have all that much, this will just eliminate a few heads being busted over the course of a season, this isn’t a bad thing
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:16 PM
SG my dear, I think you are overreacting…I bet touchbacks increase by only about 15-20%. Kickoff returns are being gotten rid of.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Is it Lisk that everyone is calling dickface? If so, why?
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Is it Lisk that everyone is calling dickface? If so, why?
SG called him that in the thread right before this
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:17 PM
/steelers’d
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:17 PM
The Chargers wish people could have thought like this last year.
i know they had some ST issues last season, but Scifres (sp?) is the shit. they still have him?
he was the reason they beat the colts in the playoffs 3 years ago.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Question: What reasoning was given in 1994 when the kickoff was moved to the 30? Why must rules be changed in this sport every single year? One of the things baseball does better I think, is very few rules changes.
Because scoring had dipped, for numerous reasons, and moving kicks has an effect. Expansion to 32 teams and passing friendly rules have made that an afterthought now
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:19 PM
No, not wrong. They have to wear a licensed helmet that was approved by the league. If someone goes out and finds a helmet that is believed to be safer but is not owned by one of the licensed companies, they get fined for wearing it.
Maybe before you start calling me an idiot you should learn how to read.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:19 PM
SG called him that in the thread right before this
Any particular reason or was it a drive by dickfacing by her.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:20 PM
I’ll take your word for this when Lisk writes a post supporting it. And I know he already fired up PFR’s website to have something ready by tonight.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:21 PM
Riddell is licensed AND makes a concussion-reducing helmet… Riddell Revo Speed… unreal, you amaze me.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:22 PM
No, not wrong. They have to wear a licensed helmet that was approved by the league. If someone goes out and finds a helmet that is believed to be safer but is not owned by one of the licensed companies, they get fined for wearing it.
Maybe before you start calling me an idiot you should learn how to read.
While the league does have helmet standards, a player can wear whatever helmet they want so long as it meets the standards of the NFL. Marketing is a different story. If the player selects a helmet made by a company without an on the field licensing agreement, then there can be no manufacturer logo on the helmet (and those players often have blank front bumpers). If a helmet has a manufacturer’s logo then that company has an on the field licensing agreement.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:23 PM
And NO, they don’t get fined unless they are showing the brand it is. If they cover up the brand, they can wear whatever they want. That’s why some helmets have the team names visible instead of Riddell, because they aren’t wearing a Riddell helmet. I can go on all day, proving you wrong but I’ll leave it at that.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:23 PM
passing friendly rules
i’m unable to accurately express how disappointed i have been with the implementation of these. it’s im-fucking-possible to play pass defense in the nfl.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Jersey- See comment #14
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 PM
She was hangin out the side of her Fusion with her dickface spitter cocked sideways, bangin on Lisk’s corner.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Nice ms, but we’re going to be wrong on this once she chimes in again, lol
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Pretty much need either a pass rush that isn’t giving the QB more than 4 seconds or an officiating crew that will let some jostling go down…also bugs me how the contact rule doesn’t get flagged against the receiver if they initiate it
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:26 PM
She was hangin out the side of her Fusion with her dickface spitter cocked sideways, bangin on Lisk’s corner.
Was she simultaneously screaming “You’re not my supervisor!”?
/I imagine SG is like Cheryl from Archer.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:26 PM
I saw that. But I want to see him dig in a little deeper on that, I know there are more variables he can apply. Plus, he doesn’t want me emailing Chase Stuart. That would mean war.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:27 PM
you guys really have too much free time on your hands if you’re arguing nfl helmets.
unless we’re talking nfl helmet fashion…
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:28 PM
Which would be awesome. BTW, the voice actress on that show is on that new CBS sitcom with Jason Biggs and Sarah Chalke.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Was she simultaneously screaming “You’re not my supervisor!”?
Nice! Can we all make an effort to reinforce that idea of SG as Cheryl/Carol/whatever-else-Archer-calls-her? That’s fantastic
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:29 PM
I’ll take your word for this when Lisk writes a post supporting it. And I know he already fired up PFR’s website to have something ready by tonight.
It depends on how teams approach it. Biggest effect in 1994 was on the strong legged guys. Morten Andesen and Jason Hanson had biggest dropoff. 50% to 15%. average kickers dropped about 15%. the weak legged veterans about 5-10%. think about a bell shaped curve and who gains more area, the tail or those closer to the middle already.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
At least I started to notice a small trend of refs calling pass interference on WR’s at the end of this year. I just wish all PI calls would be 15 yards max. I’m not a fan of 70 yard penalties.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
She’ll always be Kitty Sanchez to me
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Hey Lisk,
Do you think this will cause a slight increase in surprise onside kicks since it will cost 5 less yards in field position should it fail?
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Pretty much need either a pass rush that isn’t giving the QB more than 4 seconds or an officiating crew that will let some jostling go down…also bugs me how the contact rule doesn’t get flagged against the receiver if they initiate it
even more so, if you’re asking me to basically avoid all contact with a WR while running full speed through traffic, you’re asking too much. it’s a physical sport, don’t reward teams with 40yd plays because the WR ran into the DB during an underthrown deep ball.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:31 PM
BTW, the voice actress on that show is on that new CBS sitcom with Jason Biggs and Sarah Chalke.
She’ll always be Kitty Sanchez to me
“Say goodbye to these!” [rips open shirt]
Judy Greer is one classy lady. I’m a fan.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Nice! Can we all make an effort to reinforce that idea of SG as Cheryl/Carol/whatever-else-Archer-calls-her? That’s fantastic
You would also be looking for Carina and Cristal.
Judy Greer also voiced Framboise in season 1.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:34 PM
And they are nearly the same damn character between Archer and AD.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Also, I have been out of the loop for a week or so, can somebody explain or link the Dick Face references?
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Any particular reason or was it a drive by dickfacing by her.
I made a comment about never attending a game just to see a kickoff, which drew the ire of the SG. Made my day.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 PM
And they are nearly the same damn character between Archer and AD.
That’s what I love about Archer. Judy Greer, Jessica Walter, and Jeffrey Tambor are playing almost identical characters to what they played in Arrested Development. It’s almost like an in-joke.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 PM
All you had to say was “I don’t want to go into detail”. But I’m just not well-versed on how capable the kickers are these days, which is why I’d like more of an explanation from you.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:36 PM
She’s been fiesty today.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Which is the point I’m arguing. If someone finds a helmet WITH A MANUFACTURER’S LOGO ON IT that has a better safety rating they can’t wear without being fined unless it’s licensed by the NFL. And if he wears it continuously he can eventually be suspended.
I don’t know for sure, but from my experience as a consumer, most products contain logos or brand names on them. So I was assuming the helmet would have a logo or brand name on it when I made my statement.
Thank you for making me clarify my statement to the point of boredom. I award you no points and my god have mercy on your soul.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
No, that is NOT the case at all. They can wear that helmet, they just CANNOT HAVE THE MANUFACTURER’S LOGO SHOWING. They only get fined if they show the manufacturer’s logo, that’s the ONLY TIME they will get fined.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Which is the point I’m arguing. If someone finds a helmet WITH A MANUFACTURER’S LOGO ON IT that has a better safety rating they can’t wear without being fined unless it’s licensed by the NFL. And if he wears it continuously he can eventually be suspended.
Dear Carina. Please just stop. You’re wrong.
March 22nd, 2011 at 2:59 PM
And this paragraph proves why you continue to argue what’s wrong, because you don’t know and haven’t looked it up. You are basing your entire argument on assumptions from “most products” you have encountered.
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:05 PM
Wow. Step away from the thread, boys. Go read about dancing with the stars.
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Sportsgal I’m amazed that you and SC have met in person and that one of you did not kill the other.
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:10 PM
He’s less annoying in person.
P.S. read the exact wording in the NFL rulebook. I’m right.
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:12 PM
Yes Hines Ward is involved so it’s tempting, but oh god no, that’s a terrible show! lol
March 22nd, 2011 at 3:23 PM
P.S. read the exact wording in the NFL rulebook. I’m right.
You’re right about a lot of things. Unless the rule has changed in the last two years, this is not one of them.