Why Did Grant Hill Bother To Write a Response To Comments in the Fab Five Documentary?
In ESPN’s Fab Five Documentary, Jalen Rose and the three other Michigan players who participated recollected honestly what they felt twenty years ago about Duke. All of the comments were explicitly in the past tense. Grant Hill penned an articulate response to the comments, but why did he feel compelled to respond presently to issues so far in the past?
The Michigan players’ comments were about what “Duke” represented to them two decades ago. They felt that Duke recruited “a certain type of player,” who was middle or upper class (often white), came from a stable well-off family and probably planned to stay at Duke for four years. Jalen Rose dropped the “Uncle Tom” bomb. That was an accurate portrayal of what they thought at the time. Grant Hill, obviously, felt differently.
This isn’t shocking. Though usually in more sublimated words, Duke often faces this accusation. It’s the reason, coupled with their success, why the Blue Devils are hated and why players like J.J. Redick* are morphed into pantomime villains. Whether it’s racism, classism or effective basketball strategy, Duke is perceived as elitist. It is gratifying to root against elitists.
Rose specifically references Grant Hill and Hill’s family. He acknowledges he was jealous. Both their parents were professional athletes. Hill grew up in a stable, nurturing household. Rose never met his father, never received support and grew up poor with a single-mother. Jealousy is natural in that situation. Revealing it is more of a reflection on Jalen’s life than an indictment of Hill’s family.
Perhaps, Rose and his comrades could have gone into further detail about how their thoughts on Duke have evolved as they’ve become adults, but that wasn’t the subject of the documentary. It was a personal story, not a balanced journalistic portrayal.
The sticking point for the rest of us seems to be the implied definitions of “blackness” and “Uncle Tom” the two men present. Most are not qualified to weigh in on that, least of all the soft, affluent caucasian man typing these words. Though, I would question why we care what teenage basketball players thought of the subject in 1992.
Grant Hill’s retort was eloquent. His praise for his own upbringing and the value of higher education was compassionate, but tearing away the lofty forum, the rhetoric and the Latin quotations, he’s just angry because they called him a bitch. This rears its head with the biting, incongruous ending. “I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.”

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March 16th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
This is what’s been driving me crazy.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
I thought nobody read the comments.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
I’ll confess, I like Grant Hill.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Several felt Rose’s comments were distasteful at the time. DPatrick, Whitlock, Hill, etc. But, the reason for the response is Rose really didn’t come out & say (before, during or after) he was wrong about Duke. Jimmy King basically stuck to the story the following day on ESPN. More than a simple “oops, forgot to say we evolved.”
March 16th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
On the rare occasion I actually agree with what Duffy writes, this is one of those times.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
least of all the soft, affluent caucasian man typing these words.
the narcissism is strong in this one….
March 16th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
Slow clap. That ending totally took away from the piece.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
/Team Grant Hill
March 16th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
I’ll play along: Why bother having a Fab Five documentary?
Those guys brought up Grant Hill; not vice versa. Why can’t he respond?
I wonder how many of Jimmy King’s clients (he’s a Merrill Lynch FA now, from what I understand) are Duke graduates. It’s one thing to pop off when you’re 18; quite another when you’re a grown man with a job that depends on people liking and trusting you.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
It was a personal story, not a balanced journalistic portrayal.
Then it’s not a documentary, as ESPN claims otherwise.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Sorry, but that is an awesome response from Grant Hill.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
/team calvin hill
//cowboys fan from early 70s to mid80s
March 16th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
That’s disgusting.
/unless you’re from the dallas area
March 16th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
Maybe he didn’t like being portrayed as an “Uncle Tom?”
And for all those saying that those were the feelings of 18-19 year old kids, King and Rose BOTH had chances to explain that those were no longer there feelings this week, and neither one budged.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
I’m willing to bet Grant Hill wouldn’t have said a word had they backed off, publicly, on their points.
I guess I don’t understand why King and Rose are applauded for their honesty and Hill has to just allow himself to be characterized falsely. Ridiculous double standard.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Growing up black in the Suburbs in the South in the 90s was no picnic, unless you’re an athlete, which I wasnt. To those in the ‘hood, you’re too white. To the white folks in the suburbs, they don’t see it that way. Not the best spot to be in. It must have been nice for Grant Hill being rich, being an athlete, and having famous parents. His life isn’t typical of most of us.
//pulls up chair
//waitin for mrjre1233459 to say something ignorant
March 16th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
I guess I don’t understand why King and Rose are applauded for their honesty and Hill has to just allow himself to be characterized falsely. Ridiculous double standard.
Ding-Ding-Ding
March 16th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Do the Magic win the title if they never traded Chris Webber for Penny Hardaway?
March 16th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
This post is so slanted I expected it to be in italics.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Jalen said the was jealous and resented Grant Hill for his family. How is this disparaging or his family?
March 16th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
If Duffy writes a post about a team that never existed, does he still hear the criticisms in the comments?
March 16th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Yeah, plus this also ignores the fact that Kzryweski went all in on those “certain types of players” after the fiasco with his back injury and the declaration of Coach K after his 99 run in which he said he was going to bring in only a certain type of player once again after having the Brands, Averys, and Magettees leave early on him. What Rose said in regards to Duke recruiting a certain type of player wasn’t without merit.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
With all the race talk coming from the Fab Five, why is no one bringing up the idea that Rose, Hill, and Howard all may have thought Laettner was an “overrated pussy” mainly because he was white?
March 16th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Yes. Duffy will catch shit no matter what he writes. I’m guilty of giving him shit. But I only do it when he writes something such as “de facto racial profiling” in an article about background checks.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Rose still feels that way
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-15/sports/os-jalen-rose-espn-defends-duke-comments_1_duke-university-comments-documentary
March 16th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Well, each player was reflecting on how they felt at the age of 18. I don’t see the big deal at all.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Meant “King” instead of “Hill.”
March 16th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Yeah I’ve actually stopped, just because I like to be contrary to what everyone else does.
/Yep, I’m that guy
March 16th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
I still haven’t seen this documentary. Forgot to DVR it. Sounds like maybe I shouldn’t bother.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Doubt it. Tough to have a better start to a career than Penny did. Plus, he didn’t get hurt until after Shaq bounced.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
No, I give him credit when he writes a post I enjoy. I don’t think he gets shat on in every one of his posts.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Again, everything past-tense. 17-year-old.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Watch the UNLV doc simply to see the two Adonis’ they have who worked as Vegas reporters back in the day…the one has epic hair plugs
March 16th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
You’re a better person than I.
March 16th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
I’m the same way. I give props when props are due. And sometimes I will point out things I don’t agree with. But duffy gets more shit around here than anyone else.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
Forgot how ridiculously big Larry Johnson was in college. Cartoonish. He would still be a physical freak if he were a senior today.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
I do think Duffy writing to defend the Fab Five is a bit suspect… though I am still waiting for the “Jim Harbaugh: We Didn’t Want Him Anyway” post
March 16th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
only if you can show that Laettner was the only white boy they played against that year or if they called any other white boy overrated. They probably thought he was a pussy because he was an entitled pretty boy.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
I thought the documentary was great. The candor was appreciated from Jalen Rose. Also thought Hill’s response was composed and well thought out. Didn’t even mind the ending to it. Don’t see a wrong or right in this situation. Just two opinions.
You’ve got a ways to go to catch someone for this title.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
No, I give him credit when he writes a post I enjoy. I don’t think he gets shat on in every one of his posts.
I’m the same way. I give props when props are due. And sometimes I will point out things I don’t agree with. But duffy gets more shit around here than anyone else.
Making your plea for the “Commenter’s Bracket”?
March 16th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
Well played.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
Maybe he didn’t like being portrayed as an “Uncle Tom?”
Might be the case. Who would though?
While I get that Rose’s and King’s comments were made about the past tense, perhaps they could have expressed how they changed once they got to know Hill during their time as NBA players.
I would question why we care what teenage basketball players thought of the subject in 1992.
It goes to the heart of the documentary. “The Fab Five as a cultural force.” Depicting Duke (and Hill) as what society expected versus what they were. The sociologist in me would warn that this is a struggle that many African-American young men have faced and continue to face: being educated and from a loving family somehow seen as less than being “street” or “real.”
March 16th, 2011 at 5:06 PM
I don’t think he gets shat on in every one of his posts.
Why would Hill respond? Because his character and manhood was attacked. Duff of course would just sit idle by and do nothing. Another awful post by this complete hack.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:07 PM
Shots fired.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
and Huffy Puffy Duffy is angry because his childhood team lost.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
BTW, yes, all that I said, I learned from that very special episode of “Fresh Prince of Bel-Air” where the black frat president didn’t want to let Carlton in for not being “black enough.”
March 16th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
Holy shit… did Grant Hill ever miss the point.
Jalen is not talking about what Grant Hill actually is/was – he was talking about what he PERCEIVED him to be at the time. When he was 18 and in college. Visualizing Hill as a villain in certain terms can be motivational, and given the family dynamic OF COURSE Jalen was jealous and resentful.
But nothing of what he says is or was intended to actually define who Grant Hill is. I’d think a Duke grad would be better at understanding context.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
Next year, I hope ESPN lets Desmond Howard make a documentary explaining how he changed the Heisman Trophy.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
Yup. I’m sure Jalen Rose isn’t the only one that felt this way too. He’s just the only one that said it.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:13 PM
This why I hope tyduffy always starts his day off stubbing his toe on his coffee table when he wakes up every morning.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:13 PM
Next year, I hope ESPN lets Desmond Howard make a documentary explaining how he changed the Heisman Trophy.
Followed by the Reggie Bush documentary on his USC titles.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
/unless you’re from the dallas area
like yer mama?
all i got.
seriously tho, when i became a cowboys fan i lived in san francisco (where i was born) i have no clue as to why. probably a cowboys and indians thing, cool star logo
March 16th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Coming tomorrow… The Waterboy’s opponents pen op-ed pieces stating how they were offended to be visualized as members of the KKK.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Seeing this: It is gratifying to root against elitists.
and This:least of all the soft, affluent caucasian man typing these words.
together in the same post are quite amusing…
March 16th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
Well, most of Duke’s black players come from more privilege and money than their white players. Except for guys like Chris Duhon, to whom Duke had to give a job to his mom in order for him to go there.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
Well, most of Duke’s black players come from more privilege and money than their white players.
Wasn’t Kobe Bryant thinking of going to Duke before he entered the NBA?
March 16th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
I think there’s a law stating that if you’re black, talented, and your dad played in the NBA, you go to Duke.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
Is this why we root against Duffy?
March 16th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/4nvxzr5
TJ
Red Dawn remake digitally changes villians from Chinese to the North Koreans! Ha
/end TJ
March 16th, 2011 at 5:20 PM
gotta love the 90′s. Every sitcom ended with the same soft music and lessons being learned all around.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
Ty Duffy is the white, priveliged, take everything for granted elitist pussy ass bitch of this blog. Duffy is the Laettner of TBL.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
Wasn’t Kobe Bryant thinking of going to Duke before he entered the NBA?
I think there’s a law stating that if you’re black, talented, and your dad played in the NBA, you go to Duke.
So…had he, would he have been considered an “Uncle Tom” too?
March 16th, 2011 at 5:24 PM
Unless your dad’s a homophobe. Then go to UofM where the black kids with street cred go.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
Bingo.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
He took Brandy to Prom. I don’t think he would have had to go to duke to get this label.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
I cannot imagine why Coach K recruited a player and person like Grant Hill over Jalen Rose or Jimmy King
March 16th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
internet anonymity sure is a bitch.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
Let’s not get that whole thing going again.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:31 PM
This. Lotta interweb muscles being flexed.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:34 PM
hey, I include myself in that observation. We all say things here that we would NEVER EVER say in a public setting. Just imagine the change in tone if for one day all the blogs, youtube, yahoo, newspaper etc commenter would have their real name and address attached to their comments.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:38 PM
Which makes me wonder what it would be like to encounter Paolo over an afternoon beer.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:40 PM
I proudly say Fuck Duke, Fuck Baltimore, Fuck Cleveland (browns), Fuck the Lakers, Fuck the Dodgers in a public setting.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:40 PM
Obviously that would change things. We all go a bit over the top on here. But the people reading the comments should know that. I say “fuck michigan” a few times a day here. I don’t walk around saying that all day. People will be critical on here no matter what’s written. Duffy’s in a catch 22. If says nothing, comments like that one above are made. If he actually starts saying stuff in the comments, he gets accused of riling people up. Lose-lose for him.
/did I just defend duffy?
//vomits
March 16th, 2011 at 5:43 PM
You don’t have to say it all day long, but from time to time it just feels good to let it out, lol
March 16th, 2011 at 5:43 PM
Whitlock had the best take on this whole thing. Grant Hill’s response isn’t a very interesting angle.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:44 PM
Because some punk who wasnt as good as him in high school, wasnt as good as him in college, wasnt as good as him in the pros, and still isnt as good as him called him a bitch and an uncle tom.
Good for you Grant, love the final line.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:45 PM
Okay, bad example. That is fun to say.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:47 PM
Speak for yourself brochacho
March 16th, 2011 at 5:55 PM
Agreed and I don’t usually like Whitlock at all. His point about the Ewing/Thompson era at Georgetown was excellent.
March 16th, 2011 at 5:56 PM
Fab Five = Duke Bitches
March 16th, 2011 at 6:01 PM
I don’t really see the big deal at all. Baggy shorts and black socks are pretty awesome.
March 16th, 2011 at 6:48 PM
TyDuffy deserves to catch shit nearly every time he posts. He’s a pseudointellectual and a blowhard. He masks weak thinking and simplistic analysis with a decent vocabulary.
Read the post again. He didn’t say anything compelling or make any insightful observations. Rather, the whole post is based on a largely rhetorical question.
He asks: “Why Did Grant Hill Bother To Write a Response To Comments in the Fab Five Documentary?”
And the answer he wants is: “Yeah, seriously! I know. Right?”
I’m not sure why this is framed in terms of what happened 20 years ago when Hill was just called a bitch and an Uncle Tom on TV a few days ago—while he is still somewhat in the spotlight and his detractors have lost all significance.
Unlike Ty, at least Hill took on the important issues raised by this episode, and the defense he made was largely a defense of others. It wasn’t like he took to the NY Times solely to defend himself.
Lastly, he’s a basketball player, a professional athlete. He is measured in terms of wins and losses and his relationships with other athletes are viewed through that same lens. His reminder that he never lost to the Fab Five was perfectly consistent with his role as an athlete and served as a reminder that this incident was rooted in sport—where the final score is really what matters.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:09 PM
He was perceived as a bitch and uncle tom 20 years ago. Those thoughts that existed 20 years ago were reflected upon on tv a few days ago. Duffy was able to pick up on this while you aren’t. Advantage Duffy
March 16th, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Yea except Jimmy King went on First & 10 and stated(in his own incoherent way) the same things and he was clearly talking present day. And Rose, as much as I like him, deflects when pressed on his thoughts today.
I don’t know about you, but being called a bitch in a public setting would make want to respond likewise in a public setting. This is such a useless and thoughtless post by Duffy. How does he not get this.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
Benjamin, I was able to “pick up on [that].” Even if I had failed to do so, skimming Ty’s post would have made it clear.
But it wasn’t like he said, “…and that’s how I felt 20 years ago when I was young and dumb, full of piss and vinegar.”
No, the way it was said made it seem nothing had changed. I mean, he was going to broadcast those feelings over ESPN 20 years later without qualification. That says something.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:05 PM
Hill was specifically called out and had his name dragged into this documentary in which he had no input. I dont blame him for speaking out. A lot of Duke players have brought negative attention to themselves for whatever reason, but Hill is not one of them. The way Rose,King,etc, have attempted to clarify their comments has been clumsy at best. Obviously Rose knew he didnt handle it particularly well in the documentary or he wouldnt have apologized to Hill.
the way the media jumped on this documentary, comments were bound to be taken out of context, this is something the filmmaker (Rose) should have anticipated but obviously did not. And listening to Rose/King on First Take it was not clear that they feel differently today.
also love that this coming out at a time where Duke/Michigan are scheduled to meet in the 2nd round. And of Michigan’s top 7 players, 4 are white and one is the son of a baller.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:13 PM
He qualified it in the documentary if you view it in context. Rose stated that he was jealous and resentful of Hill. I took the Uncle Tom remark as a reflection of those feelings. Of course being a media person Rose should have know that “Gotcha Game” would focus only on the Uncle Tom remark itself.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:18 PM
His very coherent question to bolster his argument was “do you think you would see a fab 5 at Michigan. The closest Duke came to that was the late 90′s with the Brand squad that lost to UConn, and people may wish to conveniently forget but this did cause a bit of consternation at Duke because it was felt that Duke was lowering it’s standards to get certain types of players. People also tend the forget coach K’s declaration of not doing that anymore after that.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:29 PM
I’m meh about the first part but I’m “so what?” about the latter. That’s a pretty odd non-sequitor.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:42 PM
Unlike Ty, at least Hill took on the important issues raised by this episode, and the defense he made was largely a defense of others. It wasn’t like he took to the NY Times solely to defend himself.
I keep getting to these things too late today. Oh, well. Look – this guy I’m quoting is spot on. These issues of perception still exist so it’s not at all OK to have it go because you are “viewing in context” – there is every reason in the world for Grant Hill to respond in his own defense and in defense of anyone that is placed in the same box. The comments in this and the roundup are kind of making me sick. Let me put this comparison out there for all the people who will not see it because, well, nobody who commented is likely to come back here and see it. “That’s how I felt 20 years ago” is a shitty equivocation. Jimmy King and Jalen Rose can have all the justifiable anger in the world but to use that to more or less take shots at Grant Hill’s reputation and status even now is a dick move. If D.W. Griffith came out and apologized for “Birth of a Nation” (which he somewhat did even though he was an inveterate racist and Confederate revivalist) it doesn’t change the fact that his film is a testament to hate that sparked race riots and helped to revitalize the KKK. Jalen Rose’s documentary isn’t that extreme but it is advancing a mindset reflective of and encouraging of racial typecasting. Good for Grant Hill to call him out for it. Hope that’s not over your head
March 16th, 2011 at 8:46 PM
This post is embarrassing. Rose clearly thinks they r uncle toms now and not just 20 years ago. He was wrong then and wrong now. Why did Hill respond? Because he was right. U should have left this alone. U r embarrassing yourself worse than Rose n King.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:57 PM
There was no equivocation of what their opinion of Duke was 20 years ago. I think they made it plain. But just as is the case with Griffith (and George Wallace) through experience and time, people and their opinions have the capacity to change. That being said, people would be naive if they don’t believe Duke recruits certain players; and that’s cool, but lets not play like it isn’t happening.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:59 PM
OK Jake, make it clear to how Rose clearly thinks this today.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:07 PM
That being said, people would be naive if they don’t believe Duke recruits certain players; and that’s cool, but lets not play like it isn’t happening.
That is true but you know what? That’s not at issue because their type of player is not black or white, it’s based on the archaic notion of academic base and motivation. Does that exclude the vast majority of publicly educated black youth? Yes, it does. That’s a systemic problem with educational and social conditions prevalent in America. But that is also not the root of the problem of King and Rose calling Grant Hill an Uncle Tom. Grant Hill does represent an idealized place in society. He is not in the public eye because of his cowering to the demands of white America. He’s an erudite, wealthy, successful man. It is problematic to suggest that this makes him white or to insinuate that this proves he aspires to be white.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:11 PM
Well said. Hateful jackassery should never be tolerated.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
Duke isn’t Harvard. Their standards although high aren’t going to exclude the vast majority of publically educuated black youth. The ACC as a conference have higher than average academic standards. I’m SOMEWHAT familiar with their recruitment of a couple of players, and from that I am confident in my assessment of their recruitment of certain types of players.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
So you think it’s fair to label those players as Uncle Toms? And, yeah, the vast majority of kids in country – white, black, public, home schooled, parochial school, private school-educated and otherwise – are excluded by the standards of any & all top 25 colleges unless you know something about an ongoing renaissance in this country that is being kept really well hidden.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
Let’s say someone at your 10-year high school reunion said, “Ya know, back in high school, I always that you were a pussy. A soft bitch. Maybe not as much now, but then I totally did.” How many of you that are criticizing Hill for standing up to himself would say, “No worries, man! Water under the bridge, pal!”?
March 16th, 2011 at 9:40 PM
And Michigan isn’t Broward Community College. Portraying Duke as the evil elite while attending Michigan doesnt make much sense.
March 16th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
Of course it isn’t fair to label them as uncle toms, never mind the fact that they aren’t. And, eh, I understand that the vast majority of kids in general may not qualify for a school, but we were originally talking about a more specific group.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:05 PM
It also isn’t fair to apply what they said 20 years ago to how they feel today. It also isn’t fair to leave out the other pertinent statements made in that scene such as “until we saw them on the court”, and “Duke was the superior team in every way”, and ” I was jealous of him”
March 16th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
Right – basketball players. And the quals I saw were about test scores & staying 4 years. Which obviously does slant things toward more affluent players. Nobody can make a coherent argument against that. The reason for this type of player being, specifically in Grant Hill’s case, being labelled an Uncle Tom is because he comes from that type of background. I find that to be highly objectionable. Elitist? Yes, it is. Does it also speak to a military conception of teamwork being implemented by the West Point grad at the top of the program? 100% yes, it does. I don’t want to defend Duke or Coach K but to portray their program as a bastion of racism, which the linguistic specificity of ‘Uncle Tom’ most certainly does, is deplorable. I think Grant Hill’s response is cheerworthy rather than misguided
March 16th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
I think his response was both cheerworthy and misguided. He did what he had to do, but he missed the point of what was actually said. You have a 39 year old guy defending himself against a couple of 38 year olds who gave an account of how they perceived him as 18 year olds. As Rose said, anyone who was on the court in that game knew exactly how they felt.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
Even in that context, why is it misguided for Grant Hill to question that mindset? I think he’s furthering a worthwhile discussion. And even if time heals all wounds, the time is unfortunately now for Jalen & Grant since the statements may be in regards to 20 year old feelings but they’re being released now
March 16th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
I’m not sure you have a great grasp on this subject. Their standards most certainly are going to exclude the vast majority of youth, regardless of race.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:30 PM
The good news is that Duffy is just one blog post away from earning his “Defending Borderline Insensitive/racist/ignorant quotes” merit badge.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:32 PM
i have a decent grasp on the subject. You visit Duke’s website and find exactly where it is they provide an example of what their standards are. They don’t, instead they provide you breakdown of the average GPA and SAT scores of those they admit. They also allow for accepting students who have certain gifts.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:36 PM
Grant’s stated that Rose called him a Tom because he came from a 2 parent household, where as Rose actually said the felt that Duke only wanted a certain type of Black player, who wasn’t from the hood or more likely didn’t have hood influences. Rose mentioned that he was jealous of Hill as an 18 year old because Hill had everything that he didn’t. Hill had a 2 parent household while his mom had to bust her butt. Hill had an ex athlete father who loved him, while his ex athlete father denied him. Yes, Hill missed the point.
March 16th, 2011 at 10:54 PM
That’s fair. I’m still glad that Grant Hill wrote what he did & still think it’s a worthwhile sentiment that he’s expressing.
March 16th, 2011 at 11:10 PM
Misguided or not, it was a hell of an editorial and it is most certainly a worthwhile sentiment. The fact that they were able to carry out this conversation about a dis without anyone busting shots or nigga this and nigga is a good thing that other people should take note of.
March 17th, 2011 at 12:43 AM
Ty Duffy is either being duplicitous or burying his head in the sand. He chooses to ignore the words of Jimmy King on ESPN, present day, not 20 years ago. King still is complaining that Duke recruits too many white players: “Even today, how many black players are on Duke’s team … you wouldn’t see a Fab 5 on Duke today!” Replies above that keep repeating – “that was 20 years ago” – are simply fallacious. Try two days ago. King repeats himself. If Duke were in a small league, went 6-21 every year, no one would care that Duke had white players. But, with a mixture of white & black kids, and winning – it’s a chip on their shoulder that hasn’t left.
March 17th, 2011 at 12:52 AM
Kinda hard for me to get mad at a guy who said sumthg 20 yrs ago and we still beat them for a national chapionship. I think what really made Hill mad was that they called him a bitch and a uncle tom. Jalen didn’t say anything bad about his family he only said he was jealous. I really never cared for Duke either but only because they put Coack K on a pedestal for being such a great coach but hey if you get all americans all the time then you should win. Uncle Tom was probably not the right word to use but he was being honest and gave his opinion on how he felt when he was a teenager. Remember Jalen did say that he respected Lattner and Duke after playing them. Whether you want to believe it or not there are colleges who only recrruit certain types of players, so wake the hell up. I thought the bitch comment was quite funny and I’m sure at one time or another we all thought our opponents were in that category. BTW, if any Duke alumni take their business away from JKing because of the comments he made then you should add another criteria to what Duke University looks for in a student or athlete and that is ignorance.
March 17th, 2011 at 10:51 AM
Pfftt. You give yourself too much credit. That comment is not over anybody’s head. “Isn’t that extreme”? The documentary isn’t “extreme” at all and to compare it to BON on any level is almost too absurd for words. It’s not “advancing any mindset…”. It simply explained his mindset.