Adrian Peterson’s “Modern-Day Slavery” Metaphor Was Awful, But Not Entirely Off Base
Adrian Peterson called the NFL players’ predicament “modern-day slavery.” Obviously, it was a poor metaphor, destined to be processed literally and to provoke manufactured outrage. His word choice was awful, but his point, better articulated, has some validity.
Here’s Peterson’s full quotation. His agent stresses it should be taken in context. The context doesn’t help him much.
AP: It’s modern-day slavery, you know? People kind of laugh at that, but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money … the owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money. I understand that; these are business-minded people. Of course this is what they are going to want to do. I understand that; it’s how they got to where they are now. But as players, we have to stand our ground and say, ‘Hey — without us, there’s no football.’ There are so many different perspectives from different players, and obviously we’re not all on the same page — I don’t know. I don’t really see this going to where we’ll be without football for a long time; there’s too much money lost for the owners. Eventually, I feel that we’ll get something done.
Football players are not slaves. No one forces them to play. Most would accept coercion and some form of bondage to receive a $10 million base salary. Peterson, presumably, wasn’t comparing his pampered material condition to that of a slave. He was trying to say there isn’t a free market for his labor, which is true.
The NFL is a trust, not a capitalist enterprise. Owners ensure profitability by collaborating and by limiting labor costs. Adrian Peterson could not choose his place of employment. The Vikings drafted him. Unable to solicit competing offers, he had no leverage to negotiate his salary. His team may “franchise” him to block him from exercising free agency. Even if he does become unrestricted, his earning potential is constrained by a salary cap. Peterson can never obtain the true market value for his work.
Peterson’s work places him at grave risk for catastrophic health issues later in life. His contract is also not guaranteed.
Players accept this system, because many of them make an obscene amount of money. They sacrifice a claim to fair labor practices in exchange for a draught from the treasure bath. Observers let the NFL’s arrangement slide because we must watch football on Sunday.
NFL owners tried to force through a change to this bargain. They opted out of the CBA. They gamed the television revenue so they would get it even if there was no season (overturned by a court ruling). They tried to put players in the position to accept less money for a longer season or enter a lockout they were not positioned to withstand. Not surprisingly, players pushed back by decertifying the union and suing to challenge the NFL’s unfair labor practices.
Adrian Peterson’s word choice was awful. NFL players have nothing in common with slaves. They have little in common materially with ordinary laborers, but it’s only viewing it through that guise that we understand the players’ position. The money involved inspires little empathy, but their labor predicament should.
NFL players aren’t ordinary people, but if ordinary people were treated in the manner NFL owners treat the players it would be profoundly unjust.
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March 16th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
AP can always go play in the UFL or CFL.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
He’s a idiot for saying that. Where’s the outrage, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?!?!??!
March 16th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
also,
http://twitter.com/fakejoepapsu
pretty funny.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:30 PM
I suppose technically rookies at the Combine Slave Auction aren’t NFL players yet so everything’s in order here
Yay management!
March 16th, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Yes Purple Jesus and Kunta Kinte have soooooooo much in common.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
So he’s like fisherman, brick layers, farm workers, and many other professions. Except he makes 1000 times as much.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Speaking of.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
Duffy’s favorite song
March 16th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
True, but for a very limited time. And if a RB was franchised in 2011, they will get a guaranteed $9.86 million.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
I knew this was going to be in Ty’s wheelhouse when I saw it yesterday.
I suppose technically rookies at the Combine Slave Auction aren’t NFL players yet so everything’s in order here Butters
Golf clap. Golf fucking clap.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:34 PM
NFL players are probably treated better than most working class Americans.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
And without it, eventually, NFL players wouldn’t make that much money anyway.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
I still dont understand the point hes trying to make.
I mean Im pissed too when last year my company had yet another year of growth in profits but decided they needed to freeze raises for employees and blamed the economy. Guess what, corporations try to maximize the money they make. But I dont have the benefit of a union to fight for me. Shut up, Adrian.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:36 PM
March 16th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
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Nice write up Ty. I think you did a good job capturing what Peterson was trying to convey.
Fwiw, Peterson was asked about this right after the NFLPA de-certified, so its not like he had a ton of time to collect his thoughts for his answer. Though slavery references should just always be avoided.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:37 PM
Can’t he choose not to play football?
March 16th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Damn quote fail
March 16th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
he so off base he got picked off…
March 16th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Bingo, amen to this right here. We finally got a 1-2% raise in 2010 after a 3 year wage freeze “because of the economy.” I’m pretty sure I saw NFL salaries still RISE over the past 3 years in this same economy…
March 16th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Posting this again from Ryan Grant putting it in context.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
I think this is arguable on a lot of levels.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Eli Manning, John Elway and others agree
March 16th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Good post.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Na, the massa forces him too.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Yep. AP needs a whole tub filled to the brim with shut the fuck up juice. Sip that shit slow even if it tastes too strong.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Ok so he was right saying players are like modern day slaves in the the NFL isn’t a capitalist enterprise where he can get fair market value for his services and work wherever he can get hired, but he’s not right to say people hired by capitalist enterprises are also slaves?
March 16th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Ahem…GO! IRISH!
March 16th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
Okay? Doesn’t mean they don’t have a leg to stand on in this fight
March 16th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
At least AP wont be able to fuck his fantasy owner over next year in the playoffs. There won’t be a season. The fan’s will get fucked when all is said and done.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
agree.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:41 PM
the slavery reference and word choice was poor, but…
the “players” in general, with limited exceptions, are not the millionaires we perceive them to be. After managers, agents, state sports taxes, PR people, personal security, personal chefs and other expenses… not to mention regular ol’ income taxes… these players are not super rich on average. And they need to make enough money in 3-5 years to support entire families for 50+ years.
On top of that, they are in a profession that almost certainly will shorten their lifespan and lead to health problems in their 40s and beyond.
Oh yeah – and their private lives are non-existent. You can’t put a price on the value of having some semblance of privacy.
The players are way the fuck underpaid. And I don’t blame them for using this opportunity to stick it to the owners every chance they get. Just maybe not use AD as a mouthpiece. He’s not as fast on his feet verbally as he is physically.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
See, this even hurts my head. So no.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Indentured Servitude is a much more apt comparison than slavery. Peterson and every other player decide to enter the NFL. They have every right to pursue another occupation if they wish.
I do think that they players need to have a better deal with owners. They need to get a beter contract structure and more guaranteed money if there careers are to end because of injury. (I also think RB’s should have a complete different salary structure because they have very short careers which can take an incredible toll on their bodies.)
March 16th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
any time a group that is largely black is perceived as being wronged, whether the perception is right or wrong, the term slavery gets brought up. This is NOTHING like slavery. slavery involved “you do this or you die!” it wasn’t like slaves had the choice of kicking it at the cotton farm or using their college education(whether they decided to actually take advantage of their free college was entirely up to them.)to fall back on something less glamorous.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
People can choose not to buy NFL teams too, doesn’t stop them from crying poor and demanding more once they do…gotta remember this shit goes both ways, just that the owners are better about remaining in the shadows so it’s the players who generate most of the reaction
March 16th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
The player reps and PA public figures have been outstanding at the PR stuff, generally knowing when to speak and what to say. The owners haven’t been as good, certainly.
But the longer this goes on the more players are going to make dumbass public comments like AP.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
and i need to work 50 years to provide for my family with 5-10 years of retirement.
i have no sympathy for how they have to spend their money.
they are millionaire slaves who will spend more than i ever will and they will live a shorter life for my entertainment.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
Oh Lord did you have to throw ‘personal chef’ in there as if its a neccessary expense? HA.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
Makes sense.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
Did I say they don’t have a leg to stand on?
March 16th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
But you can take your skills to another company who can offer you more compensation, and you are free to take it. NFL players do not have that option.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
I was under the impression that the players were fine with the old deal.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
Haha. Asshole.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
You say this like NFL players are captive to the NFL. Here’s your option – quit. All of you players who don’t like it, quit. There are plenty of other jobs out there. Go be a PE teacher. Go be an assistant coach in college. Go sell pharmaceuticals. Go run a gas station. Work in the Gap. Get a desk job. Try blogging out. Go back to school. Be a CPA. Try that law degree you always thought would be cool. Band together and buy your own NFL team.
Unjust my ass. They don’t have to agree with anything.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
You know who’s underpaid? The teachers that are being paid nothing to teach the children, the police/fire/ambulance drivers that get paid to protect and save us.
You know who’s NOT underpaid? Every fucking athlete getting paid MILLIONS to play a fucking sport as their “job.”
It’s the players that CHOOSE to have personal expenses like security and chefs and driver and entourages and child support.
I call bullshit on athletes being underpaid.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
And I wanted to be a cowboy astronaut who is president, but I had to take the regular old job I was offered.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
Quite fine. It’s the owners that feel like they need another tiny giraffe and large yacht.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:47 PM
The correct answer is “Antitrust Exemption”
March 16th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Ritty nailed it in comment 43. This should be an exciting thread.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
i’m glad the cowboy astronaut presidents moved up a few spots and drafted me. my guaranteed contract has left me with little motivation to actually perform up to my potential.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
yes, I did. It’s often a necessary professional expense… because we’d bitch the same player out for not maximizing his talent if he ate at McDonald’s all the time and got fat and slow.
The mere fact that blogs like this exist and are successful indirectly shows that players are underpaid. They get no monetary compensation for us using the Internet to pick them apart professionally. Meanwhile, no one tells me I am doing a shitty job (at least not publicly).
March 16th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Isnt this called free agency?
March 16th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
To be fair Senator Jersey, who DOESNT want a tiny giraffe?
March 16th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
All this. Man, if I was a D. SMith, even though there isn’t a union, I would mafia style issue a gag order on all the players just to avoid them spewing stupid garbage out of their mouths.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
And they need to make enough money in 3-5 years to support entire families for 50+ years.
1 million would suffice.
Your whole comment makes what AP said look thoughtful and articulate
March 16th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Here’s the thing – I think there are very few people who feel the players are wrong to fight the owners for more money/better benefits, etc. I think most people think it’s completely ridiculous for a professional athlete to say he’s a “modern day slave” when, even at the league minimum, he makes more money and has better benefits than the majority of full-time employees in America.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
i think commenting on blogs during work hours is enough to illustrate that fact.
/i kid, i’m “working” until 6pm, too.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
NFL has become a land of have and have nots. First round picks and the “stars” get huge signing bonuses and deals with lots of guaranteed money. Meanwhile, the bulk of the player are paid comparably little and have a truly awful pension plan to help with any medical problems after retirement. I tend to side with these player more than AP.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
anyone can teach or be a cop…not everyone can play football really well.
you pay for rarity and being that athletic is just as rare as being able to do ridiculous, high level math that 99% of the population wouldn’t be able to fathom after a decade of university level study.
deal with it.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
This is all kinds of wrong. If a player can’t have enough COMMON SENSE to eat right to maximize his talent, how does that make it a necessity to have a personal chef? If a player wants to eat McDonald’s all day and be lazy, he’s not interested in maximizing his talent in the first place.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
I should have said players do not usually have that option. Most players are either restricted free agents or can be franchised, both situations limit your earning potential. Typically, they do not reach unrestricted free agency until they are past their prime.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
yes, I did. It’s often a necessary professional expense… because we’d bitch the same player out for not maximizing his talent if he ate at McDonald’s all the time and got fat and slow.
The mere fact that blogs like this exist and are successful indirectly shows that players are underpaid. They get no monetary compensation for us using the Internet to pick them apart professionally. Meanwhile, no one tells me I am doing a shitty job (at least not publicly).
You are doing a shitty job.
/publicly
March 16th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Yeah, I’d probably sell you into the sex trade for a tower (herd?) of tiny giraffes. The new commercial, where he blows back a kiss to the russian billionaire and is wearing a towel after training on the treadmill makes me lose my shit.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
THIS. Think about what actually constitutes being a slave. We need to drop this word from the sports vernacular right now.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
This is what I’m trying to figure out, seems like everyone should universally agree that the slave comment was dumb but the “You don’t have to play football” crowd reads like they should just bend over and take what the owners give them
March 16th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Thank God Peyton Manning didn’t say that
March 16th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
no not true at all…there’s just more people willing to try to be a teacher or cop…not everyone succeeds at it.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
One issue is the owner’s that do very well don’t wanna share their profits help out other owners who don’t and need new stadiums. The days of tax payer funded stadiums should be over.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Yes, I hate the line about teachers being underpaid. First of all they get a shitload of time off. Second of all, I will never agree with this until teachers are paid based on student performance. And I don’t mean dumbed-down, standardized testing.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
it’s a silly argument, one is paid by the state and the other by a private company. obviously there’s salary limitations for one and not the other.
i don’t give a shit who wins.
i just want sunday NFL ticket available just like MLB.tv is.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
He’s right Spencer… You should meet some of the morons I go to grad school with that are already teachers. Sweet Mother of Hossa, our country’s youth is in some bad hands.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:56 PM
anyone can teach or be a cop…not everyone can play football really well.
you pay for rarity and being that athletic is just as rare as being able to do ridiculous, high level math that 99% of the population wouldn’t be able to fathom after a decade of university level study.
deal with it.
All of this.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Agreed. I can see the state footing the bill for infrastructure improvements (roads, etc) but there is no way the city/state should be on the hook for $600 million+ for a building scheduled to be used 10 times a year.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Yep. I should be blamed for my students’ idiocy. Not the parents who have no clue about anything that is going on in their kids’ lives. They’re getting high and getting laid two rooms down from them, but it’s MY fault that they didn’t do their homework or study for an exam.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Cut that Meat!
March 16th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
One of my best friends is a PE teacher at our HS. After 12 years, he hit the current max salary of $92k. If he’s not overpaid to teach health/gym 8 months a year, I don’t know what is.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
I failed at teaching. Well I was fairly good at it. I just hated it and chose to make a career change.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
They have choices. Play or do not play. I own Microsoft. I am worth billions. You work for me. I pay you. You don’t like it? Go to yahoo or google…
March 16th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Ugh.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Well then… what do you mean? Because if you’ve got a metric to pay us based on student performance, I’d love to hear it.
March 16th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Well, I agree with you in every regard here. Obviously it’s often not the teacher’s fault and it would be nearly impossible to pay a teacher based solely on performance, hence it will never happen, hence it’s hard for me to make the argument that teachers aren’t paid enough.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Big hockey game tonight eh?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
you both missed the point.
NFL = best of the best…sure we could all watch semi-pro or arena league football but fuck that. the best teachers and the best cops get paid really well too…
March 16th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
So do people actually think that NFL players have somehow swindled us all, including the owners, into paying them large amounts of money for their skills?
They get paid AT LEAST what they are worth. I think it’s probably about exactly what they are worth, though Duffy apparently feels differently.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
I think I’m paid fine. I wish it were more.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
How good are your students at this?
/The Sanchez criteria
March 16th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Yay management!
Of course the NFL has no such competition so this point is baseless
March 16th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
They do? They get paid a similar wage to a middle of the road teacher or cop with the same service time.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Absolutely not. NBA players have.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Re: teacher salaries and performance – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equity_Project
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Go Wings!
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
One of my best friends is a PE teacher at our HS. After 12 years, he hit the current max salary of $92k. If he’s not overpaid to teach health/gym 8 months a year, I don’t know what is.
Teachers in PA are paid better than most. In the south you get paid shit.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
You know who’s underpaid?
Me.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Ryan Grant missed a lot of classes. It’s “there,” dipshit.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
@SouvenirCity
Are you a teacher? Good for you. I’m jealous. I’d kill to have the pay, benefits and vacation that you have. However, not for a second do you not deserve it. (my english teacher sucked at double negatives). It was available as a career path, you studied, and its currently what the market dictates. Piss off to everyone who thinks otherwise.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
Who becomes a teacher with the expectation of getting paid well? Teachers will get paid more when it is more difficult to become one and the supply of liberal arts majors dwindles down. Until then, they are getting paid what the market decides. They have the option to move to a different district to get more compensation, which NFL players do not.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
Go Wings!
Detecting a faint odor of fear…
March 16th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
I watched the Packers Season Highlight Blu-ray last night. That, plus all this owners v. players junk, makes me wish there was actual on-field football to discuss.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
He was actually pretty smart. Dude spent a lot of late nights in the library. But I know grammar errors are the MARKS OF SATAN!!!! for some folks.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Now that is a comment I can get behind.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
Maybe Duckworth but Grant Hill responded to Fab Five in NYT. Really shows that he is one smart cookie (and he drinks Sprite). His last part is the kicker:
March 16th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
I’ll refine my point. They aren’t slaves, they aren’t indentured servants. They can obtain other gainful employment. Yep, I’m management, but I’m also pro-union. However, I dont give a shit about some millionaire not getting more money than any of us can imagine having.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
Been meaning to order this, Kevin Greene telling Matthews “It is time” before the 4th quarter delivers chills
/Belt
March 16th, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Enough of this shit about vacation time for teachers. That period of time is negated by the amount of time they often have to put in outside of school, whether it be grading papers, getting lesson plans together, buying supplies, etc. Teachers sit on the frontline and get to take the blame for a system they have relatively little input in.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
If Cuban puts his money where his mouth is it will be interesting what rookies might do if left with the rookie wage scale.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
But you seem to care about the billionaire wanting to keep more money than any of us can imagine having and the player not being able to fight for what they think is theirs…there’s some contradictory thinking here
March 16th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
In my experience, there are 3 types of motivation that I’ve seen for people becoming a teacher.
1.) Summers off
2.) Genuine philanthropic interest in helping kids and having that work as the alternative compensation other than money.
3.) Benefits
March 16th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
To piggyback on this, teachers usually get 8 weeks in the summer “off.” Up to half of that time will probably be spent doing in-service stuff. It’s very misleading that teachers get a lot of time off.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
Butters: It’s worth it, mostly for the Super Bowl footage/sound bites alone.
My favorite part was Lovie saying “See you in Chicago” to McCarthy after the regular-season finale.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
or they can stay in their current line of employment and fight to obtain and maintain. Just because most people aren’t in a position to be able to do this doesn’t mean the players are wrong to fight for their rights. Being a hater is not a good look.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
No one ever lost a game to the Fab 5.
/Ncaa record books
March 16th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
when I read the title of this post all I heard was “Derp derp derp”
March 16th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
You forgot Pedo.
/state of florida’d
March 16th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
In my experience, there are 3 types of motivation that I’ve seen for people becoming a teacher.
1.) Summers off
2.) Genuine philanthropic interest in helping kids and having that work as the alternative compensation other than money.
3.) Benefits
4.) Small chance the whips hair girl is in the teacher’s class
March 16th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Someone better tell spence.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
March 16th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
That’s from that equity project thing that Ritty linked. I’m not going to go scorched earth by any means because I like new and different ideas. However, despite the lack of power that most teachers’ unions have in urban areas now, I think this would be something that would hold a lot of people back from working at a school like this.
I’ve been in some charter schools and unlike teachers that are 10-15 years older than me, I don’t view them as a negative. I do see the potential for schooling to become a commercial enterprise and that slippery slope is one of the things can scares me about charters.
However, in Chicago, many of the charter schools are actually quite good. The average teacher stays at one for only 2.6 years though. This doesn’t offer a lot of continuity.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
anyone that sides with the owners in this fight is an utter moron. and the argument “they r playing a kids games for millions” conveniently leaves out the owners and league make BILLIONS off said kids game. so what? the actual people earning the $ shouldnt be paid market rate??
March 16th, 2011 at 2:14 PM
I’m all for Charter Schools. I hope they open ‘em all over this fine nation. Full disclosure, charter schools buy a lot of books from my company and keep me employed.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I wish I was a slave. They seem to do very well now in this country.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Those people are probably the same that argue for a salary cap in baseball.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
He’s right. There’s a lot of out of pocket expenditures that come along with being a teacher. Your school’s budget rarely covers the costs of everything you want in your classroom.
The time commitment is very heavy. It’s why I’m back in NPO work because when I leave work, I don’t have to take it home with me. Yet, I still get the philanthropy facet of the job through my current employer. I genuinely enjoyed the teaching I’ve done but when I get home, I like to be able to put my feet up and enjoy the leisure aspects of life.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Well this is a productive addition to any conversation
March 16th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
That’s because they’re at happy hour by 3:05 Mon-Fri, and spend their summers bartending. They are certainly not busy buying supplies.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
No one makes anyone choose any profession. That doesn’t mean you have to love the system or not try to change it. I’m pretty sure none of you wants your doctor to be a ‘slave’ to insurance companies… you want them to challenge the establishment and provide the best product possible, and be well-compensated and happy.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Adrian Peterson really did drop the ball with his wording. It was very stupid to say anything like this and most peoples take away will be that he is an idiot. I am sure he was just surprised by a reporter and just fumbled through his wording.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
Shit, after reading the NYT article about that Equity Project, it sounds like those teachers work in the neighborhood of 60-70 hours a week. That’s certainly earning that $125K.
I think most new teachers realize that if you want to be successful monetarily, you need to have an alternative income stream outside of your paycheck. I freelance write and sell tickets. Worked with a guy that ran his own muskie fishing business in WI during summers.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
And provide an abundance of Xanax refills.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
For the record, I side with the players in this fight, I just hate hearing that players are underpaid. What I think needs to be done is take more money away from the owners and instead of putting that towards player salaries, put that money towards player healthcare and after-football healthcare and benefits.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
I’m going to repeat what I said yesterday. Fans seem very split on the owners or players side. Why wouldn’t the owners say they are lowering ticket prices 5% with the savings. Wouldn’t that get everyone on their side?
/Greedy bastards
//Hates unions
///Hates owners more
////Hates
March 16th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
It was on 60 minutes. They bust their asses. Plus, there are pretty much no frills. They operate out of trailers.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Collectively sure. I was looking at Forbes Billionaire list the other day. And only a handful of these owners have a net worth over 1 billy.
/Fucking Zuckerberg is worth 13.9..
March 16th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Seconded… I like use taxes. Cigarette tax revenue should be high enough to offset the healthcare burden smoking causes. If the NFL wants to promote violence and endanger the health of their players (going to happen to matter what) they need to be responsible to the long-term costs of that.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I side with my love of football. get your greedy shit together so I can watch some head trauma.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I bet they’d stay longer if they were making $125k.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
Try blogging out.
i’ve blacked out. is this similar? sounds fantastic
just do a marathon post until you keel over
March 16th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
The NFL players are more like Gladiators. Although I think they were slaves too.
But slaves in the American past is a gross overstatement to compare what the NFL players.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
Is that something the players are arguing for? If that was the only concession made by the owners, would the players rest their case?
Or are the players more interested in what they see as unfairness not relative to other markets, people, etc. but rather when compared to the even wealthier owners?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
I haven’t read into everything each sides wants, but yes that’s one of the things that the players want.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
Wait, why the fuck are we comparing the job of a professional athlete to a teaching job?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
The players are interested in ensuring they receive a fair share of the revenue that is the fruit of their (and the owners) labor.
Is it not their right to fight for that?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
I want to see a skit with Mike Brown and Chad Johnson doing a little roots parody. “Your name is Johnson Boy!” “My Nameeee…(gasp).. is Ocho cinco”
March 16th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
anyone that sides with the owners in this fight is an utter moron.
Unless you have an inside look at the financial statements of the teams, this seems a little harsh.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
I was to understand that instead they should look for another job
Gym teachers also suffer a high rate of head trauma thanks to wayward dodgeballs
March 16th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Yeah, sure, they have a right to do whatever they want. And the owners have a right to tell them no. The reason I cannot side with the players is because nothing, with the possible exception of what Wide World said above, puts the players at a loss. They have surplus and they are arguing for more surplus because hey, look, the owners have more surplus.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Much like the comparison to Nazi’s needs to be stricken from our mind, comparing people who make a league minimum of just north of $400,000 to slavery needs to be ended as well. The next time I hear some fucktard player say he needs to sell his Bentley because of the strike, or some greedy bastard of an owner says he simply can’t handle making “only” X amount of millions, I’ll seriously debate going postal on these douchebags. You play a fucking game/run a fucking team for a living. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Real people actually have real problems. “Only” getting the initial billion is not a real problem. The NFL (owners and players) think they’re invincible because they’re so popular. They are about to test that theory if they go through with this bitch fest.
/In short, fuck all of them
March 16th, 2011 at 2:43 PM
By this logic no one in this country should be allowed to complain about anything since even our homeless still have it better than some poor bastard living in Darfur or wherever…it’s all economy of scale
March 16th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
I don’t know what “nothing puts the players at a loss” means. I actually don’t know what any of that means.
Are you suggesting that the players pay should only be so high, regardless of the money generated by their labor? That doesn’t seem very fair to me, man.
By the way, it seems you don’t realize this, the players are happy with what the current CBA is. They weren’t asking for more.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Millionaire athletes.billionaire owners should not complain publicly about getting the shaft. It is a lose-lose argument. Neither side will come off as anything other than spoiled rich people. Each side needs to shut the fuck up, work quietly (i.e. away from the media) and get a deal done.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
No. By that logic, millionaire football players and billionaire owners need to shut the fuck up.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
Completely disagree with Duffy. Peterson and others can form their own league and compete. Nothing preventing them from this. AFL, WFL, USFL did it. Get enough good players, NFL will have to merge.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:48 PM
The number of people who think this is a player’s strike is a sad statement about the collective intelligence of our populace
March 16th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Great theory, but not really possible, right?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
By the way, it seems you don’t realize this, the players are happy with what the current CBA is. They weren’t asking for more
This.
The owners were too stupid to realize that today’s public is more knowledgable then then in ’87 on the moneys made in the NFL.
Plus no one wants an 18 game season.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Neither side is going to win the fans over by bitching about getting the shaft. This would be the case in a booming economy, let alone a sputtering one. People don’t want to hear about athletes/owners talking about the unfairness of their $9 billion dollar enterprise.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Funny. Roger Goodell keeps telling me the fans want it. I personally haven’t heard one fan say they want 2 more games. I’ve heard fans say they are indifferent to it, but none have said yes, I want 2 more games.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:52 PM
lol
I saw “Waiting for Superman”. We are doomed as a society when it comes to education
March 16th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Yeah but my point is it’s the NFL. People give a shit. Even if people didn’t give a shit, ESPN and the rest of the media sure as hell do. There’s no way this could be done quietly when the disagreements are real, unfortunately.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
It wouldn’t be the first time I failed to accurately convey what I meant. And, I know I’m starting at a loss because I’m not educated on both sides positions. I’ll try to be more elementary, not for you sake but for mine, as to how I see the situation.
Players are in an agreeable position with owners.
Owners have something come along that puts them at an even better position/makes them more money.
Players find this unfair, want a cut.
Owners disagree. Lock them out of it.
What I meant by the players never being at a loss is that their starting position was agreeable. This stuff wasn’t an issue say four years ago, right? Did the owners come in and cut things out of that original position (i.e. put the players at a loss)?
March 16th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Roger Goodell keeps e-mailing me and I keep ignoring them as spam. And I’m of the opinion that 16 games is just fine with me. I still want to see the elimination of one or two pre-season games, but I don’t want there be any additional games, 16 is fine.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
I’ve heard fans say they are indifferent to it, but none have said yes, I want 2 more games.
The only “fans” owners relate to are season ticket holders.
Now the season ticket holders bitched about paying full price tickets for pre-season games that are shit.
So the owners turned that into, okay we hear you but we are not losing that revenue, here are two more regular season games.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:55 PM
I’m finding all of this fascinating actually, not often anymore you see a true laborers vs. management battle like back in the early days where unions had a ton of stuff to fight over…just want it all over in time for a Thursday night opener at Lambeau
March 16th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
The only thing the fans care about is football being played when it’s supposed to be played. Sure, a (very) small percentage will get into the labor dispute, but the vast…VAST majority only want the games to be played. Now, when players start saying they don’t know how they’ll survive w/out their paychecks and the owners say this is a system that can’t be sustained, fans will begin to get pissed…and that’s never a good thing. The best thing for both parties to do is shut up and let the other side hang themselves.
March 16th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Takes me back to the days of the US Steel union in Homestead (Pittsburgh)
/needs more violence
March 16th, 2011 at 3:05 PM
“The Cartel” is much better.
March 16th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
nothing like a bunch of suburban honkeys chicming in on a slavery remark. sheesh.
Can’t he just say it was idiotic and move on?
March 16th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
It’s not the first time he’s dropped the ball.
/Who Dat
March 16th, 2011 at 7:13 PM
This rationale is absurd. People at other jobs work outside of their daily hours too.
Teachers catch some bullshit blame for many things out of their control, but I don’t have any sympathy for the hours that they work.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:15 PM
This is Roger. One point of clarification. The NFL is a trust, not a capitalist enterprise? Are you serious? You need to do a little research. Of course it’s a trust, set up explicitly that way to avoid paying taxes. That’s about as capitalistic as you can get.
March 16th, 2011 at 8:05 PM
Both sides need to shut their noiseholes. But, seriously….slavery??? You know what these owners would be if there was no such thing as football??? They’d be billionaires. You know what these players would be?