If Ohio State Had Followed Precedent, Jim Tressel Would Have Been Fired
1-liner, All, College Football, Shady McShady March 10th. 2011, 11:10am
Precedent: “Since 2006, the NCAA has sanctioned 27 schools for violating bylaw 10.1, which requires coaches and others to be truthful and forthcoming about possible NCAA violations. Of the 12 coaches involved, only one kept his job. The others either resigned or were fired by their schools.” Ohio State terminated relationships with Jim O’Brien and Maurice Clarett after unethical conduct charges. [Dispatch; previously, oh my, what a fraud]
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March 10th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
The picture caption is cute.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:15 AM
This story puts a big smile on my face!! Its funny that even the lawyer who sent the emails is dirty!! OH-IO!!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
this has to be eating up spencer.
Tressel is a giant fraud.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Big. East.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
That’s a deleted scene from the Bourne trilogy.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Again, why do people act surprised anytime a college coach does something wrong?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
i’d say this is a little more than ‘something wrong’ …
March 10th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
Speaking of college corruption, here’s a nice list that still includes SMU for shit that happened over 25 years ago: http://www.associatesdegree.com/2011/03/08/10-most-corrupt-college-athletic-programs/
March 10th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Oh and just because it’s an active thread, remember when I said 18 games wouldn’t happen and it was just a ploy by owners to get the players to fight for something besides money, so if they kept it at 16 games, they could get more financial concessions (basically force the players to keep the status quo).
Boom. Winning.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
That picture is a winner.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:20 AM
In their defense, isn’t SMU basically Texas’ version of Notre Dame?
/Means that in the douchetastic preppy way
March 10th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
So does this mean duffy is going to crusade for Tressel’s firing like he did for Rich Rod’s?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
In their defense, isn’t SMU basically Texas’ version of Notre Dame?
/Means that in the douchetastic preppy way
[grabs whiskey bottle by the neck and breaks it on the edge of the bar]
What’s the you say?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Hey sportsdork – did you see my comment yesterday about the new George R. R. Martin book? Book 5 comes out in July!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
So does this mean duffy is going to crusade for Tressel’s firing like he did for Rich Rod’s?
I hope so just for the spectacle that would erupt with the OSU fans on here.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
The cover up is worse than the crime. This story isn’t over yet. That lawyer will get disbarred, and Ohio State’s penalty isn’t going to do the trick for the NCAA. He knew about it, he didn’t take the actions required of the legislative body that governs his institution, he signed a paper saying he had no knowledge.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Of the 12 coaches involved, only one kept his job.
The ‘Vest’ isn’t going anywhere.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
More cheating….
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14794980/photo-shows-arkansas-coach-pelphrey-violated-ncaa-rules
Also, tone down on the oranger, Gary.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
@WWOS
Go Pitt!!! Stupid central time zone 11am is way too early to go to the bar just 2 days after mardi gras.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
Jay Paterno recently pointed out that only 2 big time programs have zero major NCAA infractions, Penn State and Stanford.
/typed from my high horse
//horse is actually a jack ass
March 10th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
At least Michigan is winning some part of the rivalry. I think.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Actually, Ill mitigate that since I only know one person from SMU (complete privileged douche), and just say that is more on reputation than my actual experiences.
PS… Ive been trying to find you to say that yes, WAR’s on a team should add up to the teams wins, plus approx 50 (baseline).
March 10th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
But don’t the self-imposed sanctions count? Come on! Tressel is sitting out the games against East and West Bumfuck State!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
My guess is he gets suspended for half of the Big Ten schedule this year. Then everyone bitches because it will just be a ‘slap on the wrist’.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
Jay Paterno recently pointed out that only 2 big time programs have zero major NCAA infractions, Penn State and Stanford.
I hope Joe forces you to hire that simpleton of a son and you are forced into years of shitty football.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
what part is that? the part where they’re on probation?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
And they got their ASS handed to them in a lawsuit filed by O’Brien. Why would they want to go down that road again?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
Yep, can’t wait for the NCAA sanctions. Forfeiting all wins against Michigan sounds like an appropriate punishment.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
what part is that? the part where they’re on probation?
/moderation’d
March 10th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
How?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
And the revered Notre Dame and Brian Kelly have the blood of two kids in one season on their hands.
/mock outrage!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Actually, Ill mitigate that since I only know one person from SMU (complete privileged douche), and just say that is more on reputation than my actual experiences.
PS… Ive been trying to find you to say that yes, WAR’s on a team should add up to the teams wins, plus approx 50 (baseline).
There are plenty of cheese dicks (h/t sportsgal) who go to and graduate from SMU. I won’t even try to deny that. So it doesn’t surprise me that the one you met was an entitled prick. But not all of us are like that.
You’re still looking at WAR incorrectly. It’s the amount above the average. It’s not a cumulative statistic.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Coop, did you happen to catch my reply to you yesterday re: that high horse you’re on?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Ponies, Polos, Porsches, Probation : SMU traditions
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
it is, but at least he didn’t order a volunteer cameraman up into a poorly braced tower in 60 mph winds…
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Tressel is a giant fraud.
How?
Seriously???
March 10th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Fraud might be the most overused word on this site
March 10th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
And it’s friggin UConn. Both my parents grad’d from there, and I’ll never forgive the ’02 team for the Brandin Knight knee injury/overtime Big East Championship
beating UConn in BE Championship > beating Cuse > Beating WVU > beating ND >>>>> South Florida (who actuall gave Pitt their first loss in both football and basketball in 2001)
March 10th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Yes they did.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
I believe the alumni revolt will be swift and hostile if this were to occur.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
So “thinking” about doing more is supposed to count for something?
Give me a fucking break. That single action speaks volumes to the real problem: not giving substantive punishment when it is warranted.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Sigh.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Start here
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
I’ll be leading the charge.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Was talking to a guy at the gym who went to OSU with this lawyer. He was Rife’s public defender. He could be in some deep shit.
The guy also told me Cicero (the lawyer) was banging a judge to curry favor and kept dirty VMs from her as blackmail material.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
it is, but at least he didn’t order a volunteer cameraman up into a poorly braced tower in 60 mph winds…
If this was Street Fighter, this would be like when Guile unleashes a sonic boom.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
“If you’re struggling with your place in the world, if things have become difficult and you feel like giving up, or if you don’t know whether or not you are a winner, this book will encourage you, lift you up when you’re wrestling with life, push you forward, and motivate you to be a better person and a more vital part of whatever team you serve.” — Coach Jim Tressel
March 10th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Winning because OSU’s violations are worse than Michigan’s. Also winning because BitchRod is no longer in charge.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Rex, Id say pulling a few strings with the local cops is a long standing tradition of coaches at every level. I’m not a moralist, if he wants to cheat and lie thats his prerogative. My problem is writing a book about honor and integrity when you have none.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
Doubtful.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
beating UConn in BE Championship > beating Cuse > Beating WVU > beating ND >>>>> South Florida (who actuall gave Pitt their first loss in both football and basketball in 2001)
The South Florida loss in 01 was a shining moment in Harri’s tenure…switching to the spread 2 weeks before the season started for no fucking reason was just brilliant.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
it’ll be great when paterno dies and nobody wants to take over an overrated relic of a program over and “too country U” fades slowly back into the pre-paterno bolivian.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
newbie tj/
where can I find a site streaming k-state/colorado today? i have class i can’t miss at 1 and espn3 blacks our games out to us.
end newbie tj/
March 10th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Well, if that’s the case…then, yes, disbarment is in this dude’s future.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Fraud might be the most overused word on this site
That used to be a long-running meme back in the old days on here. Fraud and Douche. TBL enjoys those words a wee bit too much.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
eight out of nine doesn’t excuse michigan when RR was there for three years brah.
don’t blame OSU for understanding and adapting to the current landscape of college athletics while michigan sat around sucking each other’s popsicles while slapping each other on the back after another “successful” 9-3 season with a mediocre bowl.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Tressel is a good coach who made a bad decision here. I don’t think he deserves to be fired. To me, this whole thing further proves how ridiculous the NCAA, as a governing body, behaves.
There are likely far, far bigger offenders to the “hallowed” NCAA tenets than Jim Tressel and a few tattoos that may not have been bought on the up and up. Maybe the NCAA should just hire Yahoo’s investigative staff.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I believe the alumni revolt will be swift and hostile if this were to occur.
I’ll be leading the charge.
Joe runs shit there in cowtown I wouldn’t be surprised if he got what he wanted.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
where can I find a site streaming k-state/colorado today?
ESPN 360?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
saw that this morning KC. he’s coaching his last game today anyways, and it’s secondary in nature I imagine. Pelphrey just loves digging his own grave apparently.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
I had a discussion with someone who suggested otherwise, will look back and let you know. I think if the averages are weighted for playing time (which WAR is, is it not), then weighted averages can sum to be the total wins. Just like it you mutliply batting averages of a team times the percentage of team at bats they take, that is the total batting average of the team.
/insists on derailing the comments in three different directions
March 10th, 2011 at 11:34 AM
i like this guy.
i mean, no player was denied a chance for an education because they weren’t good enough after three years like at LSU, bama, auburn, arkansas, etc…
March 10th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
it’ll be great when paterno dies and nobody wants to take over an overrated relic of a program over and “too country U” fades slowly back into the pre-paterno bolivian.
One can dream
March 10th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
That used to be a long-running meme back in the old days on here. Fraud and Douche. TBL enjoys those words a wee bit too much.
TBL used to be a regular Billy Packer when it came to assessing the ‘fraud’ label. He’s gotten much better about it though.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
The sexy-time with the judge is old news. Its referenced briefly here.
But Cierco’s past is a sketchy one as well. The Dispatch cites that Cierco was part of two mistrials in 2002, and had his license suspended for 1 year in 1997 for implying he was having an affair with a female judge.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
blacked out.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Not that I’m actively rooting for Paterno’s death (unlike some), but I can get behind this.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Why would an osu fan give a shit what a michigan man thinks we should do with our coach?
Also day 2 of tbl trying to bait buckeye fans with inflammatory remarks
March 10th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
No, how is he a fraud? As a football coach? As a person? As a person who should comply with NCAA regulations?
If Jim Tressel was coaching Michigan (in Duffy’s case) or Notre Dame (in TBL’s case) I hardly think they’re declaring him a fraud. Football fans care about winning. Spencer’s cheered for a team with an annual BCS right and a championship under Tressel’s watch. I hardly think this makes him a fraud.
TBL cheers for Cam Newton despite him dancing on the gray area of NCAA compliance but once Ohio State, a widely disliked school, has a run in with the law that is the NCAA, we are treated to this (and what will likely be a series of posts) wagging of a finger.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Dont forget his campaign against Brian Kelly
March 10th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
it’s pretty distasteful. reeks of bias and ill-informed subjectivity.
that’s ok tho…ive long come to terms with this site’s thinly veiled anti-ohio propaganda.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
/funner
March 10th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
I think if the averages are weighted for playing time (which WAR is, is it not), then weighted averages can sum to be the total wins
Right, so if WAR isn’t weighted for playing time, then wouldn’t that preclude the latter half of your sentence from being true?
I was only a minor in philosophy and I wasn’t terribly good at it, but that would seem to be a hole in the reasoning behind your assertion that “WAR should equal the team’s wins”.
Stats are useful but you shouldn’t try to make them do something they aren’t designed to do.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
/high five’s SC
March 10th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Regardless of all the BS we talk on here I still feel like Tressel is one of the more virtuous coaches out there and I would have no problem with him coaching my kid…
March 10th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
It’s usually higher than the “local cops” and typically includes a direct conversation with Paterno. Were it not for the same exact power people are ripping Tressel for, as being the king of the mountain at OSU, Bobby Engram would never have seen the field in ’94 and they likely wouldn’t have been The New York Times National Champion that year.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
There are plenty of cheese dicks (h/t sportsgal)
That’s dick cheese to you good sir!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Why would an osu fan give a shit what a michigan man thinks we should do with our coach?
You’re familiar with spencer, right?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
it’s analrapist. he’s an analyst and a therapist.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
That’s dick cheese to you good sir!
Damn, I think I just made a dick cheese of myself.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
TBL, please keep these posts coming.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
I also cheer for a coach who allowed a player to run a drug house under his watch. We are ALL homers. Hell, I actually cared about Iowa basketball when Steve Alford was recruiting rapists.
Just pick a side is all.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Absolutely. But if it’s based on total production (eg homeruns, runs, hits, rather than averages/percentages) then it could be summed. I’ll check on that.
/to the Petercopter
//”how can you afford these things”
March 10th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
How many times can you make a bad decision and have it be treated as a singular mistake? His star players are consistently breaking the law/rules (and driving cars that dont belong to them), all the way back to YSU.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Hey, he fucked up and is going to pay for it. Still, I think this is picking nits when compared to other issues going on in college football.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
just looking after his players…unlike that pinko commie paterno.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Big time programs? Now that’s funny. Boise is more of a big time program than Penn State at this point.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Absolutely. But if it’s based on total production (eg homeruns, runs, hits, rather than averages/percentages) then it could be summed. I’ll check on that.
I could add a player’s hits, HRs, and walks together and divide by strikeouts and call it something, but that doesn’t make it a valid statistic.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
I think the idea that the NCAA is gonna really drop the hammer is a bit of a stretch. Osu approached them about this. They have been involved since January. It’s not like yahoo broke the news and uncovered all this dirt.
I think the cooperation Ohio state has had with the NCAA will count for something
March 10th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
wrong.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
2 thumbs up for this guy
March 10th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Jophes, have you tried 1043TheFan or 87.7?
I dunno–the 18 game stuff has been floating for a while, and if they just wanted to keep things status quo they wouldn’t be angling for a lockout. The players were fine with the status quo.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
It’s not about tattoos, dammit. It’s about Tressel lying about an investigation. He outright lied to them. That’s why he’s in deep shit.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
It’d be about as valid as OPS, but people just like that because it’s easy to calculate.
I’ve found that WAR is multiplied by innings for a pitcher, which = playing time, so it really should be additive for a team…
March 10th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
I think the cooperation Ohio state has had with the NCAA will count for something
I agree. In the past, when a school has cooperated, it has literally saved them from the Death Penalty. Alabama in 2002 for example. The NCAA places a high value on a school’s cooperation, and when they don’t the penalty is usually more severe. USC for example.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
How many times can you make a bad decision and have it be treated as a singular mistake? His star players are consistently breaking the law/rules (and driving cars that dont belong to them), all the way back to YSU.
just looking after his players…unlike that pinko commie paterno.
In all fairness, it is tough to look after your players when you can barely remember your own name, and have to use your full concentration not to shat yourself…
March 10th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Bunch of Drew Sharpe and Mike Valenti’s in her.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
It’d be about as valid as OPS, but people just like that because it’s easy to calculate.
I’ve found that WAR is multiplied by innings for a pitcher, which = playing time, so it really should be additive for a team…
No, OPS is valid because there is a logic behind what components are used and why. Same with WAR. Trying to do something different with them to prove what you think should be correct is not a valid use of statistics.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
It’s not completely about the tattoos but they still provide context. Tressel did fuck up. Of this, there is no doubt. I’d still take him as a coach, and like Ty Webb said, I’d let him coach my kid if I had any.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
the accused football player or the friend of his who, after Lizzy reported her allegations to the police, sent her what she considered a threatening text. A screen shot of the text, which the Seebergs showed me, says, “Don’t do anything you would regret. Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea.”
March 10th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
He has made his career and tons of coin off selling an image, an image which he flat-out shat on by the choice he made.
This
But also this, I don’t think he should be fired and he is still a good guy overall, just not as pious as his publishers and check cashing would have you believe.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
Spot on, Gods.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:47 AM
-WPA, +WPA, I didn’t know these existed… this is exactly what I was looking for.
/forgets lame shit like ‘WAR’
March 10th, 2011 at 11:47 AM
What kind of person wants their kid coached by the biggest fraud who has ever frauded?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
ugh…we’re going in circles here.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
You think that image is damaged beyond repair?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
I love how every college football thread becomes a shit on ND parade.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:49 AM
He has made his career and tons of coin off selling an image, an image which he flat-out shat on by the choice he made.
If you think this destroys Tressel as a coach and recruiter then I simply can’t agree with you. This will hardly be a blip on the college football radar by this time next year.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:49 AM
You’re talking about 30 years of coaching, thousands of players coached and 4-5 guys who got got mixed up with OUTSIDE influences. He’s batting like 99.99%
March 10th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
I’m not sure which of those clowns is worse. Probably Valenti as he no showed for work when Michigan beat Sparty in hoops.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Stay here a little longer and Pryor is a slave and Tressel is Hitler (most likely an assertion made by me).
March 10th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Remember when Lane Kiffin fled to USC from Tennessee? Remember how that USC program got the crap sanctioned out of them?
Neither do the 30 some odd commits going to USC next fall.
/high fives MS
March 10th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Drew and Mike used to be awesome! Haven’t heard them in years. Are they still on?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
I see the deflector shileds are in proper working order today.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Playing time adjusted, and is additive. Also is kind of lame in the calculation and I’m moving on to more logical stats (WPA!!!!)
March 10th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
while i thought it would kill tressel, upon further reflection, this could be spun into a positive. he’ll break the NCAA law for you.
winning.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
I love how Valenti is putting on this charade about MSU/Michigan “taking back the conference.”
March 10th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Remember when Lane Kiffin fled to USC from Tennessee? Remember how that USC program got the crap sanctioned out of them?
Neither do the 30 some odd commits going to USC next fall.
/high fives MS
/high fives SC.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
What kind of person wants their kid coached by the biggest fraud who has ever frauded?
An aquarius?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
and i see that tennessee’s car is still on cinder blocks while DD puts on that sweet new body kit.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
It is an absolute fact that Paterno throws his clout around significantly more than Tressel, but it’s also easier as State College is it’s own ecosystem.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
So would I…as long as the kid wasn’t a quarterback. But the argument that the rule is stupid, and this is such a crap investigation doesn’t hold any water. Again, the rule may be retarded (I believe it isn’t, because letting kids sell their stuff is a terrible precedent) but that doesn’t change the fact that Tressel knowingly lied to the NCAA. That’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter if he lied about something small or large…all that the NCAA cares about is that he lied to them. The NCAA, for whatever reason, gets super pissed off when they’re lied to.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
it’s getting hot in here … so take of all your clothes
i am getting so hot
i wanna take my clothes off
March 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM
dunno…ask all the 5-stars who flock to saban’s program every year.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
right.
Petrino openly admits that they target 3-4 recruits that they know for sure are not going to qualify academically so they can place them in the JUCO farm system.
Petrino, the Arkansas coach, said he tries to follow a formula. He signs 19 players he knows are “academically gonna make it without being a load on our academic support staff,” six guys who may or may not qualify, and three to four players who have “absolutely no chance” of qualifying. (He signs the last group so that “they feel a commitment to us,” and stashes them in junior college for a few years.)
How does he make room for those JuCo guys? What happens if all the 50/50 guys qualify?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
+ ALOT
March 10th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
It feels a little like when someone lies to their wife after getting asked “Does my ass look fat in these jeans?”. Of COURSE, you’re going to lie in that situation and the lie is reasonably harmless.
And I’m not OSU guy. I’m a Penn State grad. But if you’re going to pick out bad guys in NCAA football, I don’t think Tressel is a name, at least to me, that immediately comes to mind. I’d say he’s a little closer to being part of the solution than part of the problem.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
it’s the 5th Law of Thermodynamics, friend.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
krenzel, troy smith, pryor. good QB’s all.
you’re so fucking biased it’s not even funny.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
That’s the million dollar question, SC. His reputation has taken a massive hit. The reputation of the university as well. For the wrong (and hell yes it was wrong) that happened, there has been so much go right for OSU in the last 10 years.
They recruit good kids who graduate. Their APR is in the top 5. The cumulative GPA for the team is over 3.0. They don’t have kids who break laws on a weekly basis. It takes time to create this type of atmosphere.
Courtesy of lying through his teeth, Tressel has threatened to undo much of the good that he has done, at least through court of public opinion, in the last 10 years at OSU.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Exactly as you wanted.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
How does he make room for those JuCo guys? What happens if all the 50/50 guys qualify?
What are the odds of that happening? Probably not very good. And you have to account for normal attrition through injury, graduation, transferring, and leaving the program for academic reasons or loss of interest.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:56 AM
i wanna take my clothes off
TAKE YA SHIRT OFF, SPIN IT IN THE AIR… LIKE A HELICOPTER!!!!
/Petey Pablo
March 10th, 2011 at 11:56 AM
I believe you’re confusing Drew Sharpe and Terry Foster because they are both black. You sir are racist. Valenti and Foster have a show and they are still on. Sharpe is a hack writer who has had short stints on the airwaves. He sucks.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Would anyone else watch a TBL reality show? I think it would be fascinating.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Jim Tressel also knew about David Boston’s nipple rings and colored contact lenses. He’s been covering shit up for years.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
WAR has to do with replacement level, not average. Yes, it should be additive at the team level, but because of luck there can be some noise. It’ll line up almost perfectly at the league level, though.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
you’re so fucking biased it’s not even funny.
Most SEC fans are.
/ducks
March 10th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
I was referencing Drew and Mike on the WRIF. When you mentioned Sharpe and Valenti, it reminded me of them.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
ha! +1. to be fair, it’s hard to put mudders on the El Camino without installing that lift kit first. the blocks are a must.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
Drew and Mike was an awesome radio show. however it is totally unrelated to Sharpe and Valenti who are first degree tools.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
No I’m not. If I were choosing my child’s destination and he was a QB, I would not send him to Tressel. His offense is craptastic. It is what it is. The same reason why I wouldn’t send my kid to play NEB if he was a QB. So am I now biased against Nebraska?
March 10th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
This. Tressel is earning some street cred here.
Has anyone else wondered how this lawyer could be so stupid as to put this shit in writing in an email? I mean pick up the god damn phone!!!
March 10th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
WAR has to do with replacement level, not average. Yes, it should be additive at the team level, but because of luck there can be some noise. It’ll line up almost perfectly at the league level, though.
Well then I stand corrected and exclude myself from all future stat discussions for awhile.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
It would just be him watching shows for tween girls and staring at pictures of Mark Sanchez.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
I’d only watch enough to see if he actually snickers after thinking he’s come up with a real zinger to rile up the commentariat
March 10th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
The same reason why I wouldn’t send my kid to play NEB if he was a QB.
Or any school in the SEC, for that matter.
March 10th, 2011 at 11:59 AM
That’s great. Tress is now responsible for dudes that finished their eligibility before he was the head coach at OSU. Fantastic.
/Boston was gone in 1999
//Tress started in 2001
March 10th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
This is where the forced (or at the very least coerced) transfers come into play.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
simmer down, J. this isn’t the cereal isle.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
There has definitely been a cabal of big ten foes/media/espn that have orchestrated an offensive on Tressel image in the past few days. It is truly disgusting.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
his offense is so craptastic, he got a guy to win the heisman and has pryor as the 14th most efficient QB in the country.
great line of thinking there brah.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:00 PM
I would take a TBL episode of Cribs even. I’m really curious what kind of artwork adorns the walls in the TBL household.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Don’t forget the gym and rec league basketball
March 10th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
*aisle
/fuck
March 10th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
As I said yesterday, snitches get stitches.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
show me where it says any player was ever thrown off the team after 3 years, or “denied an education” as you guys like to put it. this is such a tired arguement, you’re really better than this. there is not a single article that shows Arkansas has ever done this to a player. do you honestly think that every player that is on the program stays for all 4 or 5 years?
and call Petrino any name you want, but he came out and told the straight up truth in the article that you posted.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:01 PM
This is where the forced (or at the very least coerced) transfers come into play.
Right, but my point is that roster/scholarship decisions often end up working themselves out due to other players leaving the program or being academically suspended.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Woohoo.
/already checking out RE24 for flaws in it-
//BIG EAST TOURNAMENT GO PITT!!!
March 10th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Nothing but paradoxical and contradictory M.C. Escher’s.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
I would send my son to UGA if Richt was there for their pro-style offense. Now that Weis is at UF, I would think that would be a good spot as well. You are going to get a good education at any school, so a deciding factor would be which staff/offense will prepare you for the league the best. I think a pro-style offense does that, but OSU’s pro-style is a hot mess in my opinion. I don’t think he can develop a QB who can move on to the NFL as a starter.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Everyone knows Purdue is the only true cradle of quarterbacks left
Matt Stafford might be good if his shoulder wasn’t made out of duct tape and paper towel tubes
March 10th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
That was part of the joke. The OSU guys are really ovulating today.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
while i thought it would kill tressel, upon further reflection, this could be spun into a positive. he’ll break the NCAA law for you.
winning.
That’s what I was thinking. He’s got the players’ backs and I’m sure they love that.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Low seven figures could pick you up a Rothko, or a whole lotta Nagel prints.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
They did the same thing to BitchRod. They will do the same to any coach not named Joe-Pa. What was truly disgusting was that the Bolden release fiasco got no pub.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:03 PM
this happens at every school…even schools that don’t oversign.
but kudos for recruiting dumbasses that won’t qualify. great use of your time…
March 10th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Not really.
/Not really’d
March 10th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Agreed here. The media has been brutal, to the point of near irresponsibility. I saw a tweet yesterday from Feinbaum that compared Tress to Madoff and Charlie Sheen. Really? This is as bad a thief who basically forced his son into suicide and a serial abuser of all things? That’s just absurd.
But, notice, not one coach says a word. OSU is looked at as a model program based on their compliance efforts and reputation while recruiting. There isn’t another coach that would dare speak up. All it takes is one person shouting their indiscretions from the rooftop to bring a program down.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
completely basing your argument on hearsay and rumors probably isn’t the best approach.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
I love how the biased person here (everything OSU is awesome!!!) can’t see that I’m looking at this from the perspective of getting a QB into the league with the real shot at starting as a QB. Is one of Tressel’s QBs a starter? I know Smith had a few games at SF…but he was benched the second Alex Smith, and all of his glory, was healthy again.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
+1 on the rothko.
except for krenzel, who started NFL games, and troy smith, who was a starter this year.
then again, how many schools CONSISTENTLY put out NFL starting caliber QB’s. oh that’s right…none.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:05 PM
from comment 172 that you probably didn’t see when you were typing that comment…
March 10th, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Ha! The preferred artwork of 1980′s hair salons and strip clubs.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Matt Stafford might be good if his shoulder wasn’t made out of duct tape and paper towel tubes
And if I had a 10 inch dong I’d be in porn
/Whitlock’d
Eli Manning is the last “good” QB to come out of the SEC. Before Eli it was Peyton? Not a good track record for an entire conference.
/Jay Cutler doesn’t count because he’s a ninny. And he played for Vanderbilt.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
This. Saban too. You might not like Kiffen but he doesnt hide the fact that he doesnt much care for NCAA rules.
My problem with Jimmy the Cheat has always been his fake persona he’s created and used to his advantage to get people to give him a pass for his shady dealings.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Must have missed that joke.
Look, I’m pissed that Tressel lied to the NCAA.
I’m pissed that he didn’t come forward in April.
I’m REALLY pissed that this threatens the good work that Tress and staff has done cleaning up a program to the point that it is as good or better than anyplace in the country.
I’m also salty at the unprofessionalism that some media types have shown in the last 48 hours.
But, ovulating? Really? OSU deserves much of the harsh criticism its been dealt in the last 48 hours. I don’t disagree at all.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
I’m not talking consistently. I’m talking ever. The only reason Krenzel and Smith got starts was due to injuries. They were NEVER going to be starters on a team by choice. It was always out of necessity. Are you denying this?
March 10th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
also, for tressel’s pro style offense being a “hot mess” it’s kind of damning when they’re 11th in total offense while georgia is behind.
but yep…send your QB kids to UGA everyone! look at the great starters they have in the league…matt sta…
/sorry couldn’t finish that, much like stafford can’t finish a season healthy
March 10th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
im not denying this, but i just have a hard time ascribing “ever” to something when tressel’s only been there a decade. damn…earle bruce never sent a great QB to the lig, that’s SO tressel’s fault.
then agian, look at all the great QB’s stoops has produced. and urban meyer. and pete carroll.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Is John David Booty still a member of the Vikings? Might give USC another guy starting in the league since if so he might be the only option left
Whoops, you said qualified your statement with starting CALIBER QBs…USC has none
March 10th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
this happens at every school…even schools that don’t oversign.
but kudos for recruiting dumbasses that won’t qualify. great use of your time…
Definitely, I didn’t mean to exclude schools that don’t oversign. Attrition happens everywhere, though I think you see more of it at some types of schools than others.
I’m not defending the practice of oversigning, although I don’t get into a lather over it like a lot of others on here do.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
When you build yourself up, people are always looking to tear you down. This has nothing to do with OSU. It has everything to do with human nature. We build up to tear down. It happens everywhere here (and I assume anywhere else).
March 10th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Matt Stafford is a chubby saint! Let him be.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Stoops to Ohio State.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
I’m not talking consistently. I’m talking ever. The only reason Krenzel and Smith got starts was due to injuries.
Come on dude. It’s the NFL… you’ve got to have some game if you make an NFL roster and then the team has enough confidence to start you. How many big time college QB’s have never even sniffed an NFL playing field?
i.e. the Colt Brennan’s (guy from Hawaii) of the world.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:10 PM
yea, but espn is totally complicit in their authors’ b10 hate. have you ever seen pat forde or schlabach write anything good about the conference?
you know schlabach had that tressel hatchet job ready months ago, just waiting for any opportunity to come up.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Low seven figures could pick you up a Rothko, or a whole lotta Nagel prints.
I bet in their bedroom it’s mostly Egon Schiele prints.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
C’mon. Injured Stafford > Troy Smith > Craig Krenzel
March 10th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
TBL uses Degenerate Art for wallpaper.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
stafford’s got some talent, but he’s not really all that good right now. better than those two? sure. starting NFL caliber? can’t say that yet.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Schlabach wouldn’t do that. All Schlabach writes about is the Dawgs.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Ask yourself this: If you were a top prospect with ties to no school, meaning you were totally up for grabs. Would you say to yourself, “Man, I just think Tressel’s offense is tailor made for a QB to succeed at the next level.”
/No.Fucking.Way
//that’s not a knock on OSU because I’m biased, that’s a knock on OSU because I believe it to be true
///now get the fuck over being butthurt because your perceived saint of a fucking coach got caught lying
March 10th, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Pat Forde wrote that Michigan is gonna beat OSU in the conference tourney.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Ask yourself this: If you were a top prospect with ties to no school, meaning you were totally up for grabs. Would you say to yourself, “Man, I just think Tressel’s offense is tailor made for a QB to succeed at the next level.”
Wasn’t Pryor the most coveted prospect in the country? And wasn’t he from PA? — meaning he had no ties to OSU.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:14 PM
no but i wouldn’t say that about ANY college coach.
QB’s are a case-to-case basis. stoops has some shitty NFL QB’s before bradford. meyer’s never produced a good one. carroll had two years of carson palmer being good and then long lines of crap. petrino’s never sent a good QB to the league…
do you see what im getting at? the offense shouldn’t make the QB, the QB makes the offense.
/troy smith > flacco
March 10th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Yes you can. He’s clearly starting caliber. The injuries don’t mean he has sucked when he’s been on the field. When healthy, he’s been good.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Every QB is a system-quarterback to some degree. There are only a few QBs who would succeed in any system.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
but I think we can all agree that Forde is a hack writer regardless of what he prints out.
/group hug
March 10th, 2011 at 12:16 PM
jarring
March 10th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
55% completion percentage, 5.92 career YPA, 19 TD’s to 21 INT’s…can’t stay healthy.
uh…i don’t think we can make any declarative statements on stafford based on his body of work.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Actually, it was only an injury to Troy Smith that got Flacco his job initially. So I’ll deny it.
March 10th, 2011 at 12:19 PM
yep
March 10th, 2011 at 12:21 PM
you tailor the system to the QB. colt mccoy’s offense was not that similar to vince young’s. look what happened to brantley when addazio tried to fit a square peg into a round hole.
you can’t just say “this coach’s offense sucks” because it’s usually fundamentally sound on paper. and i really can’t fault tressel for pryor’s growing pains when i doubt tressel drew up “flutter the ball 10 yards downfield throwing across your body into double coverage.”
you can only do so much with scheme…it falls on the player to execute.
March 10th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Basically Tressel is a modern day Hitler.
/and it was foretold by a prophet