The NFL Combine Makes Us Dumber: Greg McElroy’s Wonderlic Score as a Red Flag
Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy got one B in college. He was a Rhodes scholarship finalist. He stepped right from the football field to being a composed analyst for ESPN. He’s a smart kid. Not surprisingly, his reported Wonderlic score reflects that. He got an almost perfect 48/50. Some are portraying this as a possible red flag.
Mike Florio wrote the following.
Scoring too high can be as much of a problem as scoring too low. Football coaches want to command the locker room. Being smarter than the individual players makes that easier. Having a guy in the locker room who may be smarter than every member of the coaching staff can be viewed as a problem — or at a minimum as a threat to the egos of the men who hope to be able when necessary to outsmart the players, especially when trying in some way to manipulate them.
So while McElroy, who was unable to work out due to injury, may be really smart, he perhaps would have been wise to tank a few of the answers.
This is “Combine Analysis.” Reduce the individual to a distinct measurable – a largely meaningless one – and ignore all prior evidence. Slot kid into appropriate stereotype. How would Greg McElroy handle playing for an egotistical and domineering NFL-style head coach? He played for Nick Saban and won a national title.
I’ve never met Greg McElroy. I’ve only seen him interviewed on TV, but he seems like the last guy who would be “a clubhouse lawyer” or “challenge authority.” If Florio’s claims have truth, McElroy should pursue a profession where his gifts would be appreciated.
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March 1st, 2011 at 11:47 AM
This made my head hurt.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:48 AM
The NFL: Because fuck book smarts that’s why.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:48 AM
i think this is the NFL establishment’s way of saying “mr. mcelroy, you’re too smart to be wasting your life away playing a fucking stupid game…become a senator.”
March 1st, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Reading Mike Florio makes people dumber…fuck him
March 1st, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Way to find that silver lining spencer.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Florio makes my head hurt.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:49 AM
also…consider who’s analysis that was. mike florio, an appalachian lawyer.
is there anything worse than a literate appalachian? i think not.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:50 AM
If Florio’s claims have truth, he should pursue a profession where his gifts would be appreciated.
He tried law and ran to a place where he could make up the facts. Suits him better it seems.
And this is more meaningless fluff. Either you’re too dumb (Vince Young) or too smart (McElroy)?
BTW, isn’t one of the plaudits every NFL analyst give to Peyton Manning that he’s intelligent and knows his offense better than anyone else? I’m sure he’s way smarter than Jim Caldwell.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:50 AM
I swear Florio has been getting worse over the past few years.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:51 AM
And if there’s one player on your team you’d rather not be overly bright, it’s the quarterback…this explains why Vince Young has had such great NFL success
March 1st, 2011 at 11:51 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised. Take Brad Childress for example, and his outright refusal to even entertain the notion of signing Jeff Garcia heading into the 2009 season. Not because of his smarts necessarily, but because of his broken-play freelance style that would go against Childress’ “kick-ass” SYSTEM.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Slave owners don’t want their slaves to be able to think for themselves.
/duffy’d
March 1st, 2011 at 11:52 AM
/sincerely, Heath Shuler
March 1st, 2011 at 11:52 AM
Spencer beat me to it. This is all courtesy of Mike “Quarterback of the Future” Florio. Better go check and see if Terry Bradshaw is still dead, Mike.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:53 AM
there’s a difference between being football smart and smart smart, ya hurd?
but i think florio’s theory has JUST THE TINIEST BIT OF merit…why get a guy who’s going to question all the bullshit NFLisms out there when you can get some retard who can throw boulders who’ll just do what you want without raising a fuss?
also, it’s not mcelroy’s smarts that teams are worried about, it’s the fact that he’s not especially good at playing QB.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Simple solution – whichever team drafts McElroy must also sign Vince Young, so the relative “bad” scores can cancel each other out.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:55 AM
/sincerely, Heath Shuler
That’s future Speaker of the House Heath Shuler to you.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:55 AM
funny, that is exactly how I felt after reading this.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:55 AM
also, it’s not mcelroy’s smarts that teams are worried about, it’s the fact that he’s not especially good at playing QB.
Bullseye
March 1st, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Oxymoron.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Anyone know when the DBs are running today?
March 1st, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Who taught you Octagon?
/Chris rock’d
March 1st, 2011 at 11:57 AM
why get a guy who’s going to question all the bullshit NFLisms out there when you can get some retard who can throw boulders who’ll just do what you want without raising a fuss?
Because then you end up with a gunslinger who “plays like a kid out there”, “has fun out on the field” and “has no memory of the last INT he threw”? In short, God’s gift to QB?
March 1st, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Huge.
He’d be a great backup, in my opinion. I bet awesome guy to break down film with in a QB meetings. And not just because he’s smart, but because of Saban. He just doesn’t have the special physical skills. But yeah, if I was him, I’d go be a diplomat. Better service to the planet and way more admirable than being a footbaw playa.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:58 AM
I think they already went this morning, no?
March 1st, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Only the bench numbers are up on the website.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:59 AM
not sure florio was doing analysis of mcelroy as much as he was stating what is clearly a fact in the NFL. FSU player get rhodes scholarship and his love for the game was questioned.
/fuck the combine
//fuck the nfl, hope they cancel the season
March 1st, 2011 at 11:59 AM
I like Florio. I have no idea what he’s thinking with this. None.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Seriously: Florio is a hack.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:00 PM
This would only ruin half of my betting. Thank god for college football.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:00 PM
This is just like when Hitler, Mogabi, and the slaves walk into a bar…
March 1st, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Patrick Peterson: 4.32 in the 40. Who wants him?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Where is he getting any of this? Any quotes or sources or is this make shit up time? Seems like a pretty big reach to me.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:02 PM
I think you might be the only one.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:03 PM
(Waves hands in air frantically)
I’ve narrowed my hopefuls down to Dareus or Peterson for the Browns at #6.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Might not get either. I wish the Lions could end up with Peterson or Prince, but I know it ain’t happening.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Jesus Christ. Doesn’t dude way like 220 lbs, too? Fucking absurd.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 PM
the lead up to the draft and the combine give me such tiredhead.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 PM
OK, I must have missed the Duffy slave meme everyone is referencing. Can someone point me to the old post so I can catch up?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 PM
None of this.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 PM
PFT, and Florio in particular, is excellent for CBA coverage. He knows what he’s talking about. His connections to agents gives them an edge for the free agent market as well, albeit one you have to measure against Florio’s bias’s and potential gains.
The second Florio starts analyzing football, the locker room, or the front office, it becomes garbage. He’s awful at it. Like, Bleacher Report awful.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Patrick Peterson: 4.32 in the 40. Who wants him?
(Waves hands in air frantically)
I’ve narrowed my hopefuls down to Dareus or Peterson for the Browns at #6.
Oh and has bsanders points out (FREE HIM!) he outsquatted the entire LSU defensive line. So fast and strong. Hopefully he ain’t too bright.
It’s going to be interesting to see who is at #6. Peterson, Dareus, even Fairley may be there.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Yep. Great ball skills too.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Lol, so I go to wiki to confirm his weight and stumble across this gem:
March 1st, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Holly shit.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Troy Murphy is going to the Celtics. Suck it Heat.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:08 PM
He’s free, he just chose not to come back. Sometimes the caged bird doesn’t come back when you open the window, it just keeps on flyin.
/pours one out
March 1st, 2011 at 12:09 PM
I dont care for Florio too much but like the PFT tweets.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Patrick Peterson: 4.32 in the 40. Who wants him?
(Waves hands in air frantically)
I’ve narrowed my hopefuls down to Dareus or Peterson for the Browns at #6.
I don’t think Peterson will make it to #6 (Denver @ #2??)
March 1st, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Lol. This genuinely made me sad as I read it.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Here
March 1st, 2011 at 12:10 PM
I mean with a name like that, how could he not be on the Celtics? Plus they needed another goofy looking Irish guy after trading Harangody.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:10 PM
it’s the same assertation of education being bad that we see in elections.
intelligence is elitism, which is pushed by those who try to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
i think most coaches that would rather have dumb players they can control don’t last long in the NFL, where smarts are required to make up for the physical differences between players.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Do you know how much money the NBA is going to make over the next 2 weeks now?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
He’s free, he just chose not to come back. Sometimes the caged bird doesn’t come back when you open the window, it just keeps on flyin.
/pours one out
It’s so haaaaaaarrrrddd….to saaaaaayyyy goooooodbbbbyyyyyeeee tooooo yeeesssteerrredaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy…
I don’t think Peterson will make it to #6 (Denver @ #2??)
With John Fox in charge, I’m not sure. He may value a DT like Fairley or Dareus or a DE like Bowers (if he’s there) as more bang for his buck.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
I am failing to see the correlation between “intelligent” and “insubordinate”. If he’s smart he’ll get along with his coaches so he can keep getting paid, no?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
The whole “fuck teachers” movement that’s spawned up as a result of the protests in Wisconsin would be funny if it wasn’t so freaking sad
March 1st, 2011 at 12:13 PM
He’s free, he just chose not to come back. Sometimes the caged bird doesn’t come back when you open the window, it just keeps on flyin.
/pours one out
Free Bird has gotten to the point with me now where I can’t think of the song without hearing Bill Hicks’ rant about it in my head.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
CJ’s boyfriend just bought the home, away, and alternate jerseys in XS.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:14 PM
Hahahahaha!
March 1st, 2011 at 12:15 PM
would love to see coaches take wonderlic. hey mike tice!
mike don’t take test. mike coach. mike eat. mike sleep. mike coach
March 1st, 2011 at 12:15 PM
Do not think too hard about this one. Sometimes Florio feels compelled to put some ridiculous, ignorant mental exercise of his onto PFT and pass it off as analysis.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Wait – who’s my boyfriend?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Aaron Rodgers agrees
March 1st, 2011 at 12:18 PM
I figured there was no way I’d get through that stupid joke without screwing something up.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Sad might be an understatement. I really can’t believe some of the things the right is saying about this. It’s beyond sad.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:18 PM
This is where I knew to stop reading.
Spence knows whats up. McElory’s draft stock has little to do with his smarts, and more with his ability to throw the ball strongly and accurately.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:19 PM
There is one reason to watch the combine as a fan: If you are gambling on the results of 40 times and such.
Otherwise, you are wasting your time.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:20 PM
The scuttlebutt is that they love both Peterson and Von Miller.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Just wait until the state budget is released today…$900 million cut from schools. $59 million just from Milwaukee Public Schools alone.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
I would like to stupidly and slovenly interject that I’m very disappointed in the lack of hype around Leonard Hankerson running a 4.43 in the 40yd. I’ve been telling people for a year that he’s faster than they realize and here he is with the 4th best time among WRs. Late 1st round, anyone? Reggie Wayne 2.0 = Hank!
March 1st, 2011 at 12:22 PM
This is dumb. It’s fun to watch the guys making the transition partake in small on field interviews. People like watching sports, what is wrong with watching guys do pretty impressive athletic feats?
The fact that a dude who ways 220 lbs runs a 4.32 40 is something that piques my interest.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
Just wait until the state budget is released today…$900 million cut from schools. $59 million just from Milwaukee Public Schools alone.
But that’s good because now we can focus the state budget on… wait, what the fuck else is a state budget supposed to be concerned with?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:23 PM
And Bree Olson being interviewed by national news is making me laugh my ass off.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
haha! wait…
fuck you.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Chris Christie of New Jersey is probably enjoying what’s happening in Wisconsin because he’s essentially been taking on the teachers’ unions from the day he was inaugurated.
Pretty interesting story on Christie here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/magazine/27christie-t.html?scp=2&sq=chris%20christie&st=cse
March 1st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Really? Do you hang out at Gold’s all day and just watch?
And in the context of meaningful athletic competition, it piques mine also. Just not in a gym.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
and everyone talks in extremes these days. no compromise, no middle ground. one way or the other, weakness is meeting in the middle, one way is the only way that is good for the people.
this is fostered by the media, however, and instead of them just blindly stating one side w/o challenging talking points while claiming neutrality (i’m looking at you CNN), they should be pushing the sides for real answers, not spin.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:24 PM
But that’s good because now we can focus the state budget on… wait, what the fuck else is a state budget supposed to be concerned with?
Public safety?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
This is a perfect description of PFT/Florio.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:25 PM
didn’t the whole ‘fuckteachers’ movement start in a florida middle school gym class?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
Aaaaand I just poured scalding hot soup on my thumb. Awesome.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:26 PM
How are his hands?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
The union has conceded paying more into their pension, even the unions that Walker didn’t include in his proposal (namely cops and firefighters, unions that supported his campaign) but he won’t budge on collective bargaining…frustrating times
March 1st, 2011 at 12:27 PM
And I’m probably ok with either.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
There’s talk about the cardinals being interested in Miller at #5.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
I just got a really funny mental picture
March 1st, 2011 at 12:28 PM
school is going to be optional in 15 years
March 1st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
well, you’re obviously doing it wrong then.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
I would hate to go on a huge rant about this, because I have to do it for all my friends who are teachers, but Christie is validated in his battle against the teacher’s union. He could be more amicable about it, but, that’s just he way he deals with things. Now, what’s going on in Wisconsin is a little more vitriolic than here.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:29 PM
You sure you don’t want to trade that #2 pick? Jake Delhomme is available.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Hankerson’s got pretty good hands. He really is a lot like Reggie Wayne. A little bigger and, apparently, faster. He runs great routes and is even a good blocker on the outside. He’s just another Canes WR, in other words. How did I not know this about Patrick Peterson?
He is a relative of NFL players Bryant McFadden, Walter McFadden, Sinorice Moss and Santana Moss (his maternal cousins).
I like him even more now. For some reason I hope Buffalo gets him
March 1st, 2011 at 12:31 PM
It’s a shame what “political debate” has become in this country. It’s driven by social issues (such as gay marriage, gun rights, etc.) and not real issues. It’s political theater, and it’s a shame.
People are casting votes for a group of politicians that doesn’t care about them.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Just wait until the state budget is released today…$900 million cut from schools. $59 million just from Milwaukee Public Schools alone.
At this point, may I suggest we all start preparing to home school our own kids. Or electing a neighborhood person as “school marm”. Seems that is the way we are headed.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:32 PM
People are casting votes for a group of politicians that doesn’t care about them.
yep. and it looks like nothing is going to change
March 1st, 2011 at 12:32 PM
Hilarious. Hey, if you don’t like the combine, fine. But don’t pigeonhole people that find joy in it. Some of us are football freaks and find interest in everything it has to do with. Does that make us strange? Yeah, probably.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:33 PM
and that shows you what this issue is all about. it’s not about just lowering costs and finding a better education system, it’s about breaking the unions completely, rendering them powerless. if it happens there, it will happen in more places, and those union workers will be eventually replaced with private workers from the lowest bidder.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:33 PM
I would hate to go on a huge rant about this, because I have to do it for all my friends who are teachers, but Christie is validated in his battle against the teacher’s union. He could be more amicable about it, but, that’s just he way he deals with things. Now, what’s going on in Wisconsin is a little more vitriolic than here.
Christie hasn’t even tried in some cases to be polite to some teachers’ unions. And frankly, whether I agree with him or not, I find that refreshing. But I think the reason this sort of thing is happening in Wisconsin and not New Jersey is that Christie seems to have been completely up front about his beliefs regarding teachers’ salaries and pensions even during the campaign. I’m not sure if Scott Walker was doing the same thing or not, but as I said, I do find it interesting that the uproar is happening in a place other than New Jersey.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:34 PM
I would love to hear Matt Millen break down some combine stuff. Especially the WRs.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:35 PM
/clutches Roy Williams jersey
//faints
March 1st, 2011 at 12:35 PM
What’s funny is none of those social issues are really trivial when it comes to our governor. He’s made it clear what his number 1 objective is: Keep NJ residents in the state and make it easier for them to live here. Nothing else. Whenever he’s asked about something else, he gives a short to the point answer with little conjecture.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Gov. Walker did not campaign on the elimination of collective bargaining.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/
March 1st, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Really? Do you hang out at Gold’s all day and just watch?
Only if its Bieber’s Gold’s.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Not enough flair.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
You sure you don’t want to trade that #2 pick? Jake Delhomme is available.
Not enough flair.
Denver is set @ QB (#15)
March 1st, 2011 at 12:39 PM
ty, or chesney’s
March 1st, 2011 at 12:40 PM
because if he did there’s no way he would have been elected.
i’m all for education reform, but you don’t attack the teachers, you attack the system. and you don’t do it w/o the help of those in the system who want change.
personally, i bristled at Christie when he said it’s time for teachers to make sacrifices in the recession, while he takes the full governor’s salary while living in a mansion.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Or maybe its because local school boards have increasing costs due to the agreement made at the state level, but keep getting limited money year after year. Therefore, they have to balance their own budgets by laying off teachers mainly the younger ones without seniority. The current system sucks and if you dont reform CB than it won’t change. Bottom line. Period the end.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:42 PM
This is great satire.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:42 PM
The current system sucks and if you dont reform CFB than it won’t change. Bottom line. Period the end.
What I read
March 1st, 2011 at 12:43 PM
March 1st, 2011 at 12:43 PM
personally, i bristled at Christie when he said it’s time for teachers to make sacrifices in the recession, while he takes the full governor’s salary while living in a mansion.
Your bordering on the edge of an apples and oranges comparison there. Being a teacher and being governor of a state with a huge budget problem are rather different things. We can argue separately about the trappings of office if you wish, but it’s not as though he built the governor’s mansion himself with tax payer money.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Why? Because he’s not a billionaire like his precedent who thought 175k wasn’t even enough to wipe his ass with? Governor is still a job.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Governor is still a job.
And also that.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:49 PM
I see you’re a student of the Scott Walker school of discussion…nothing more to add then I suppose
March 1st, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Patrick Peterson: 4.32 in the 40. Who wants him?
Man I hope hes on the boar at 7 for the Niners. If we can get Taylor Mays on the right track we could actually have a really fearsome secondary with Peterson, Gholdson and Mays.
March 1st, 2011 at 12:53 PM
Man I hope hes on the boar at 7 for the Niners. If we can get Taylor Mays on the right track
That’s a lot of optimism right there
March 1st, 2011 at 12:53 PM
It was a combo of Walker and Sheen (cough, 2012 ticket, cough). Besides, what discussion is there to be had in the State Senate?
March 1st, 2011 at 12:56 PM
I do agree that they should just show up and take their medicine, at this point it’s folly to keep preventing the democratic process…I am somewhat interested in seeing how it all plays out, for all we know it will work, a lot of economic debate is just theoretical
March 1st, 2011 at 12:58 PM
March 1st, 2011 at 1:02 PM
The district’s contributions for health insurance of active employees total 38.8% of wages. For private-sector workers nationwide, the average is 10.7%.
So, is that a problem of the public workers getting too much or everybody else not getting enough? Health insurance is more expensive the fewer people have it
March 1st, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Honestly does Jersey need as many school districts as PA? Fuck no, consolidate heavily, should only be about 200 districts statewide.
March 1st, 2011 at 1:09 PM
Man I hope hes on the boar at 7 for the Niners. If we can get Taylor Mays on the right track
That’s a lot of optimism right there
I know. He wasn’t horrible last year I just hope he continues to improve and gets better at coverage and reading what the offense is doing he has all the physical tools.
March 1st, 2011 at 1:13 PM
Eh, that’s what USC fans were saying the whole time he was there, jb
March 1st, 2011 at 1:16 PM
That’s b/c the actual wages are so low.
March 1st, 2011 at 1:17 PM
I think Football Outsiders had Mays as the single worst deep-coverage safety in the league last year.
March 1st, 2011 at 1:17 PM
I think you’re putting too much stock in what Florio said.
March 1st, 2011 at 1:24 PM
It’d be nice if there was an example of a quality prospect’s stock actually being hurt because of his Wonderlic score being too high, but until that happens, we’ll just have to trust Florio and his analysis.
March 1st, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Hey Greg, don’t feel bad! You’re not the only one who has been told he is too smart for a job.
/got turned down for many jobs because of too much education
//i thought bachelors and masters degrees were worth something
///weeps into a pillow
////looks at kate upton photos for a pickmeup
March 1st, 2011 at 1:26 PM
Damn. Prince Amukamara pulled 10+ G’s on his 40, better than any player wearing one of those weird Under Armor shirts.
March 1st, 2011 at 3:52 PM
I’m thinking Mike Florio ran out of new angles to approach analyzing the combines and came up with this gem.
Roll Tide Roll!
-DeAngelo
http://www.cheerthis.com – hassle free sharing and voting
March 1st, 2011 at 4:03 PM
When Amukamara jumps it looks like there was CGI used. It doesn’t look real