NFL Combine Features Offensive Linemen Drills Today; Thoughts on Quality of College Teams and Quarterbacks
Right now, I am sitting here watching men in spandex, many of whom should not be in spandex, run the 40-yard dash. The offensive linemen, tight ends, and specialists are on the field in Indianapolis throughout the day. Tomorrow, the offensive skill positions will take the field and run the shuttle, cone and 40-yard dash, among other drills. Today, the quarterbacks are going through interviews that we can not see, but which are just as important in the process.
You often hear debate about the merits of the combine, the tales of the workout warriors who can look good in tights but not in pads. However, one of the biggest issues for scouts is separating out the team performance from the individual. Is the middle linebacker a player, or do the players in front of and around him mask individual deficiencies that allow him to shine? I think the combine has its place as long as teams use it as a tool, and not a prime determinant. The notable things are when a player is significantly better or worse than expected in a drill. It’s more about fitting within minimum acceptable ranges at the respective positions, and living up to expectations on an individual athletic ability level.
One of the hardest things for teams evaluating quarterbacks is determining how much achievement belongs to the quarterback versus the other parts of his offense. I’ve talked before how a decent chunk of the stats we attribute to a quarterback in the NFL are really just as much an indicator of teammate contribution.
One of the random things that popped into my head was to check how NFL teams do when drafting first round quarterbacks from different quality of teams. I used the team records available at college football reference for the last year of each first round draft pick from a Division I-A school, from 1977-2006. The average final college season for a first round pick: 0.712 winning percentage, roughly a 9-4 record today. I then looked at how many above league average passing seasons those quarterbacks had in the first 5 years of their careers.
As it turns out, the correlation between college team win percentage and NFL success in the first five years is +0.05. Basically no relationship, so it doesn’t appear as if teams are unduly influenced by college team success in general. The quarterbacks at the extremes of either side, losing teams on one end and teams with 0 or 1 loss at the other, have not had the frequency of success as those in the middle, from solid bowl teams with between 2 and 5 losses.
Cam Newton is likely to be the sixth quarterback drafted in the first round who played on an undefeated team his final year in college since 1977. The others were Vince Young, Jason Campbell, Alex Smith, Chad Pennington, and Kerry Collins. First round quarterbacks in the last 35 years who played on teams with only one loss: Tebow, Sanchez, Leinart, Roethlisberger, Harrington, Vick, Mirer, Walsh, Testaverde, Blackledge, Marc Wilson, and Steve Fuller. Cam Newton is an interesting case, because he carried an Auburn team in his one season as a starter to a championship. If he lives up to the hype, he will be one of the more successful quarterbacks to come from a team with one or fewer losses.
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February 26th, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Lisk you would have been a great slave trader back in the day.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:08 PM
So Ryan Kerrigan was 6-0 an hour ago and supposedly being projected as a LB. Now, i just saw a tweet saying he was 6-3 and the earlier # was just confusion.
Hmmm.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Wish Gabbert would throw tomorrow. Like 99.9% of people I dont watch shitty B12 flag football, but the few times I’ve seen him play he certainly didnt impress.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:10 PM
So what I’m hearing is that the Bengals should definitely draft Jake Locker in the 2nd.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:12 PM
and yes, i plan on talking w/ Lisk about Dareus vs. Fairley, a topic which could dominate the weekend (besides QBs).
I’m floored that Fairley is “slipping” out of the top 3 because he’s an inch shorter and 25-30 lbs lighter than Dareus. the mere reaction to someone’s weight and height is crazy.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
In November … Gabbert’s throwing at the combine. But after everyone pumped him up as the No. 1 QB … what’s the point? His stock can only drop.
at the same time … is he hiding something?
February 26th, 2011 at 1:14 PM
30 pounds is a huge difference in the trenches.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:15 PM
lol. You and the conspiracy theories. You nailed it right here:
February 26th, 2011 at 1:16 PM
the whole process is retarded.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et_zM-IvvcU&feature=player_embedded
This is a cool and funny video
February 26th, 2011 at 1:24 PM
Should be a warning that it is Letterman.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
Lisk you would have been a great slave trader back in the day.
uhhh, what?
February 26th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
In November … Gabbert’s throwing at the combine. But after everyone pumped him up as the No. 1 QB … what’s the point? His stock can only drop.
at the same time … is he hiding something?
I dont think he’s hiding anything. People respond to incentives. For Gabbert, there is no incentive right now to doing something like throwing at the combine.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:28 PM
I’m floored that Fairley is “slipping” out of the top 3 because he’s an inch shorter and 25-30 lbs lighter than Dareus. the mere reaction to someone’s weight and height is crazy.
what was his weight. I would think height is none important. It’s mass. I can look up similar players size wise to Fairley in recent years to see where he falls with current NFL players.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
So unimpressed with Syracuse. Does anyone take more awful shots than Jardine? They have first/second round fodder written all over them. Which of course means they’re a lock for the Elite Eight, knowing how insane the tournament’s going to be this year.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
I know, I hate good comedy too
February 26th, 2011 at 1:33 PM
JH – agree on 30 lbs in the trenches. BUT it didn’t hurt him at all against the best conf in the country. absolutely nobody stopped the guy.
could heavier OL stop him? let me look something up, BRB
February 26th, 2011 at 1:38 PM
Still, Sapp’s talent could well lift him back into the elite. At 6’1½”, 285 pounds, he possesses marvelously quick feet for a defensive tackle; he can punt for 60 yards and dunk a basketball. He leaps over blockers, reads linemen at a glance and runs an absurd 4.69 40-yard dash. He is strong, smart, bubbly.
Warren Sapp at the Combine in 1995.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1006372/2/index.htm
February 26th, 2011 at 1:40 PM
It’s why John Randle, the greatest DT of all time, went undrafted.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Not sure Fairley after 1 year at auburn is where sapp was at after a career at miami. Still is a top 5 lock though.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:43 PM
Not a letterman fan, sorry.
/Team reanimate Johnny
February 26th, 2011 at 1:44 PM
he just banged a three, Cuse up 6.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:45 PM
Sapp ended up being such a steal for the Bucs. How did that Kyle Brady guy work out for the Jets?
February 26th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
I like Fairley a lot but I don’t think he is a can’t miss talent the way Suh, Bradford and Berry were last year. I would be petrified if I was the GM picking in the top 5 this year. Lots of money being committed to guys who are not necessarily the most sure thing.
Lisk- Not sure if it matters but would a DT who is taller be more valuable because they effect the QB’s passing lanes more and have the ability to knock down or effect more passes? You certainly know more about the thought process of the GM’s and talent evaluators. Just a thought on why height would matter on the DL.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
It’s why John Randle, the greatest DT of all time, went undrafted.
That is an outrageous statement.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
VOMIT
Jets lack of success w/ PSU grads has me real skittish on Jets taking any OSU kids (Gholston … yes, i know Nugent had a nice run after the Jets took him)
February 26th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
i agree w/ Sears, etc about no “definite studs” like Suh.
i love Fairley, though. My biggest fear w/ the 2 Auburn studs is interest level after getting $25+ million
February 26th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Please note the avatar. It’s a tossup between him and Alan Page.
/alright, Bob Lilly and Joe Greene were pretty good too. Whatever.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
Icons never lose interest.
Best spot to be in this draft is 5-10. Not committing to much money and you can get a solid contributor on the defensive side of the ball.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
Again, I will refer to Michael Jordan.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
I really hope the Lions go defense instead of Solder/Ty Smith.
February 26th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Jose, I am out of the loop. Only get here for the roundup and a few afternoon posts. What is your MJ reference?
February 26th, 2011 at 2:04 PM
Lisk. I always compare the combine to slave trading because it’s pretty similar to a slave auction.I’m not implicating you being a racist in any way.
February 26th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
in 1983/1984 the hype for Jordan coming out of UNC was nothing like the Cam Newton/Fairley hype today.
Different atmosphere. Social media, more media in general, 6 ESPN channels, sports talk radio … it’s out of control. the swelling of their heads must be absurd
February 26th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
For those of you with the NFL Network, is what their showing different from the coverage on NFL.com? I’m digging the option to switch cameras.
/fuck TimeWarner
February 26th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Nothing fucking sticks to Lisk. Nothing!
/goes back to photoshopping Jimmer and CRM walking on the beach, talking about that not so fresh feeling.
February 26th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Spot on. Who knows if these kids will be motivated to play after $$$$$ payday. Wouldn’t shock me if they went the way of the Jawalrus.
February 26th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Is it just me or does TBL have a new edge or for a lack of a better term “swag”? I like it.
February 26th, 2011 at 5:46 PM
Sadly, I’m afraid Petey will get himself drawn and quartered if Locker is still around at pick 26 and the Seahawks don’t draft him.
Locker is to the Seahawks what Vince Young was to Houston, only we don’t have a #1 can’t miss overall pick to use in his place. If Locker’s available, the hawks have to take him.
Unfortunately.