Carmelo Anthony’s a Knick. Next Step: The Aggressive Pursuit of Deron Williams or Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony got traded to the Knicks last night and I fully admit to initially being pissed off. For months, the Knicks had all the leverage, and then at the last minute, they panicked and soiled themselves (I blame Dolan and Isiah, those fools). If this were a poker table, the Knicks were dealt a pair of Aces, and the Nuggets were holding rags. The Nuggets and Melo bluffed their way to a victory. If you believe Melo would have gone to New Jersey, you’re as dumb as Dolan.
Gauging reaction from around the web, it seems most fans/columnists fall into one of three categories:
Camp 1: Horrible deal. Anthony doesn’t help the defense, he’s not a good fit with Amare, Billups is old, and the Knicks have no bench. (My estimate, based on comments last night and twitter responses: this is 35% of fans)
I fell into this camp last night. After a night of sleep, I’ve softened my stance. Tough to find many columnists in this camp, but …
Peter Vecsey seems to be here. He compares Anthony-Amare to Bob McAdoo & Spencer Haywood (a pairing that didn’t work).
Mike Lupica seems pessimistic about this trade. “The Knicks get Carmelo Anthony even after giving away all the leverage they had in this thing, and what feels like half their roster.”
Camp 2: It doesn’t look like a great deal but the Knicks had to do it. Amare & Anthony will be able to attract a third elite player, like Deron Williams or Chris Paul. (estimate: 40% of fans)
Mike Vaccaro of the Post takes the long term outlook on the deal. “But they’re in position to go for it now. Forget everything else and focus on that. They’re closer this morning than they were yesterday.”
Tim Kawakami of the Mercury News, seems to agree, but with this note that will surely come back to haunt the Knicks if the new CBA makes it impossible for them to land a third elite player. “I just think the Knicks could’ve held out, paid less, and been better situated for what’s to come.” I agree 100% with that. If Kawakami were debating this point, someone would use Ian Thomsen’s logic (see below) as a rebuttal.
Camp 3: Great deal! The Knicks gave up spare parts for a Top 15 player in the league and you can be sure they’ll recruit another elite player! (estimate: 25% of fans)
Ian Thomsen of SI falls in this camp. He closes by asking, “Why isn’t everyone celebrating?”
Ian O’Connor of ESPNNY gushes about the trade, too.
I woke up this morning, scanned some analysis of the trade and thought, “well, the Knicks will be slightly more entertaining and I can spend the next two years worrying about whether or not they can land Williams or Paul. Then it’s on like Genghis Khan.”
But wait! ESPN’s Chad Ford is now saying the Knicks won’t be able to add a 3rd superstar:
“Under every scenario I could come up with, the Knicks are unlikely to have the money to make a competitive offer to a major free agent next summer or possess the assets to trade for him beforehand … Assuming the salary cap in 2012 is the same that it is this season ($58 million), the Knicks would be looking at $11.5 million in cap space in 2012. However, no one thinks the cap will stay the same. With the owners asking for major concessions from the players in the new collective bargaining session, the cap will most likely be considerably lower.
Who’s ready for disappointment when the Knicks don’t get either point guard? This will sting worse than LeBron’s rejection. (If they settle for Ricky Rubio, I’ll gladly accept him.) So the first order of business will be for the Knicks to convince Anthony to take less money. The selling point: You want CP3 or Deron? Take less money. And then he might say, “Will Amare take a pay cut?” (This is under the assumption, of course, that Amare’s knees are still holding up.)
I guess I can live with the deal, mostly because there’s only 25ish games left in this season, next season will be shortened by the lockout, and then the Knicks will get their third superstar!

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February 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 AM
They’re better than they were yesterday and role players can be replaced…weren’t going to win the championship this season regardless so keep building for the future around a top player
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Your 3rd superstar is going to be Steve Nash.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:50 AM
I honestly believe that if the Knicks didn’t drade for him, he wouldn’t have been a Knick at all.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
agree
why? He had NO options. he wasn’t going to NJ. there was no way after this fiasco that he was going to stay in Denver.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 AM
The trade may have been good for basketball, may have been good for the Knicks, in terms of making them “relevant”, but I don’t really see how it gets them any closer to a championship.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 AM
Count me in Camp 1. Settling for consistent position in the middle of the playoff pack. As a Celts fan, all power to them.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Asked about this last night but I thought that with the probably new CBA his only real option to cash out was to sign an extension with Denver before the end of the season as opposed to head to free agency…could be mistaken on this
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 AM
He had an option to get the same money of he was traded to the Nets and sign an extension or stay in Denver and sign the extension. If he gets to the summer without a new CBA in place, which is probably the case, could he have been guaranteed that much money in free agency after opting out? Would Denver have sign and traded for him after the season was over and he got the same amount of money?
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 AM
ok…so there are two teams. no LA? no dallas? no houston?
fuck his wife…she can take a jet.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 AM
I would love this just for the comical defense with him, Melo, and Amare on the floor together.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Had their not been a threat of a new CBA lowering salaries the Knicks would have had more leverage and could have just waited for the summer.
I am in camp 3. Have to acquire a top 15 talent if you are the Knicks. Add some depth this summer and possibly an elite pg.
Knicks have a better chance of being elite after this trade than they did before it.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
That’s the camp I’m in Butters. If he wasn’t guaranteed to make the same amount of money after the season was over, than the Knicks’ weren’t as good in a position as we thought.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:57 AM
In between camp 1 and 2. Knicks traded for a guy that was a UFA this offseason. CBA be damned, he wanted to go to New York. He cares about getting paid, but not enough to take a few extra million bucks to stay on a loser in Denver. Plus, the way they handled this whole thing obviously turned him off.
Still not of the opinion he and Amar’e are two guys that can carry a team to a title. With the right supporting cast? Sure.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Comical but even that offense can blow through the first 2 rounds in the east. Would find trouble in the ECF however.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Bulls-Knicks in the first round will be all sorts of fun
/Don’t think Chicago is catching Miami or Boston with their 2nd half schedule
//Knicks still don’t seem good enough to grab the #5 seed
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Denver was a better team than NY. I wouldn’t call them a loser.
False. Amare and Melo are not winning a championship. Even if they do some how add an Elite PG (not gonna happen), they still are not getting out of the East.
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 AM
Two years removed from the Western Conf Finals. Been to the playoffs more often than not. How are they a loser? If they’re a loser, there are pretty much 27 other losers in the league.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
is the Knicks coach still the guy that used to coach the Suns? he brought in A’m'a’r'e and likes that uptempo offense, no?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
No, that offense would win a first round mathcup. Then in the 2nd they’d be matched up agains Chicago, Miami, or Boston. The Knicks with Nash would not beat any of those teams. Not happening.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 AM
I don’t really see how it gets them any closer to a championship.
It doesn’t. Honestly, the guy they needed to get took his talents to South Beach last summer and the Knicks were desperate to make sure another Elite player didn’t slip away. That’s why they “overpaid” for Melo.
Now, will the lack of defense or poise matter in a D’Antoni system? Probably not as much. Melo is going to love playing the Shawn Marion/Boris Diaw role. He’ll get lots of points per game and look as if he’s doing his part.
As for landing a third superstar, I think they would be better off trying to make that Rubio deal than hedging their bets the new CBA will give them the leg room to land a Deron Williams or CP3.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 AM
They won’t beat Boston. They’re better equipped to beat the Heat and the Magic now. But they won’t beat Boston. But nobody will, so it is all good.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
/dips toe in NBA post waters
//finds it too chilly
///goes back to Roundup to patiently wait for another NASCAR comment
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 AM
Without Nash or Melo, they’ve beaten Chicago twice this season.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Yes, but those Suns teams were at their best when they had Marion, who was a very good defensive player, and Raja Bell who was a great on the ball defender. Name one knicks player that is any where near those two defensively? You can’t.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
I think its a good trade. Role players are easily replaceable in D’Antoni’s offense.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Two years removed from winning a single playoff series, Jersey. He’s been out of the first round once with them in 6 years. It’s not like we’re talking about the late 90s Jazz here.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 AM
you have been reading the reports about how he wants out for the last … i dont know, 5 months, right?
there’s no way he sticks around Denver. toss in the fact that his wife wants to be famous … it was NY all along.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
So Magic? Losers. Bulls? Losers. Thunder? Losers.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Noah’s back tomorrow, hopefully they’ll be fully healthy and functioning well together by the time the playoffs roll around…plenty of time to get fully acclimated finally
/Bulls in 5
//Starting this early
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Chicago didn’t have their full lineup.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Yeah, of course I did. But why not just keep that to yourself until after the season? He knew that he wanted to get traded, and that would be the best way to get everything he wants (money and team). If you’re the Knicks, are you going to sit there and not make the trade when the Nets are being so aggressive and play chicken for another 3 months while Melo is seriously contemplating the fact that he won’t make as much money if he signs with the Knicks as a UFA.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I’m interested to see who they add this week. If they gave up that 1st round pick from Charlotte and one of their own, they could get a solid 2 guard. I think the bulls can make a run in the postseason (to the ECF).
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 AM
How many times you going to shoot 67% from three? No Boozer too. The Christmas day game in New York was a one possession game, Jo also didn’t play. Wins are wins, but I’d have confidence against NYK in a 7 game series with the whole Bulls team.
Chauncey isn’t shutting down Rose.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
to be fair, I can actually only name one Knicks player…well, now I can name two.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 AM
And that’s the point. What was more important to Melo, playing for the knicks or getting that max extension?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Don’t worry. None of them can play D.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
I think the power balance between the conferences is finally starting to even out after a decade long West dominance.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 AM
What does it do for the league that all it superstars want to play together in the same teams or in certain cities?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 AM
So you’re guaranteeing the Knicks can’t beat the Bulls with a full line up? Because you know me, I love the “That was an entirely different team that they played” argument. Worked out well for me last time. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t know how the Knicks will are in a series versus the Bulls either. But I’m not going to come right out and make definitive statements about them not being able to win against them.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 AM
Yes but without those two very good defenders Nash and Amare went to the WCF last year.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:10 AM
to be fair, I can actually only name one Knicks player…well, now I can name two.
Anthony Mason and Eddy Curry are no longer with the Knicks, miz.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 AM
both, and if the Knicks were going to put him in a position where he HAD to choose, they would have blown a sure thing.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 AM
put me in camp three. agreed what butters said in comment #1, though i’m not sure CP3 or Deron will be the 3rd star.
that current bench isn’t getting them out of the 1st round though.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Well people should wait until the Bulls are at full strength to say “There is no way the Knicks can beat the Bulls in the playoffs”. Just saying that with the precedents we have is shortsighted.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 AM
This is my reaction. Gallinari hasn’t shown much, even with the increased opportunities in their current system. Chandler is a nice player and I like him just fine, but he isn’t irreplaceable by any stretch of the imagination.
The Knicks are going to be a tough out for whoever ends up as the 3 seed.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Magic went to the Finals. Bulls are losers for the last 12 years. Thunder have made the playoffs once.
He’s had SIX YEARS. SIX. Accomplished next to nothing.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 AM
I will come out and make a definitive statement. The knicks will not beat the bulls if they meet up in the playoffs.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
This year. Agreed.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
I’m sure the Bulls would have rather had Felton guarding Rose than Billups. Plus, when the Knicks go small, you’re going to have Boozer trying to chase down Melo. It should be a helluva series if it turns out that way.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
Exactly. If TBL wants to further his poker analogy, he should know that its always good to take the pot as soon as you can. They couldn’t let that linger for an extra 2 days. Because no matter what, you really have no idea what is going on in Carmelo’s head.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
I just don’t think the NYK going small – Billups, Fields, Brewer, Anthony, Amare will cut it.
Even if you replace Brewer w/ Turiaf (who plays 5), you still aren’t stacked and don’t have the shooters necessary in Mike D’s offense.
But I’ll hold out optimism (until Isiah ‘officially’ arrives)
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 AM
No. A team with a losing record will make the Leastern Conference playoffs. The top two seeds basically have byes in the first round.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
I love this. They’re both unproven teams.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 AM
and i think he’s had pretty good/decent role players around him.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 AM
But I didn’t say that. I said I’d have confidence in the Bulls.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Stop being a homer. Please be a realist. Do you honestly think that Knicks roster would stand a chance against the bulls?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Making the playoffs is something. In those 6 years, can you tell me the opening round series they should have won?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 AM
In retrospect I guess it’s not a huge surprise he landed in NY….he said on several occasions that he did not (would not?) want to play for the Nyets, so Prokorov was basically just posturing like they had a chance. And maybe drove up the price the Knicks had to pay at the same time as well.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 AM
When the Piston’s buy out Rip. Who signs him? Spurs?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
I think the power balance between the conferences is finally starting to even out after a decade long West dominance.
No. A team with a losing record will make the Leastern Conference playoffs. The top two seeds basically have byes in the first round.
Are the Celtics and Magic not meeting at the ECF anymore because of this? No? Then nothing has changed.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Glorious Day! So happy this is over with.
I know you don’t watch sports, but do you even know what has happened during this whole ordeal? Nuggets handled it great.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 AM
aren’t my Grizz in line for the 8th spot in the West still?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 AM
Now that’s a move I’d like the Bulls to consider assuming he has something left in the tank
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 AM
When the knicks go small, who guards Boozer?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 AM
He was a JR Smith turnover away from taking a commanding 3-1 lead over the Lakers in the WCF a few years ago.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
I just don’t see it this way man. Sorry.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
And actually, to go back to your previous comment, I’d be inclined to agree with this if you reduce the number to 25 or 24. In any given NBA season there are no more than 7 teams that really matter. More often than not, there’s 4-5.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
So you’re saying you must have “proven” yourself to win a first round matchup? Comments like this make no sense.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Clippers for sure. But yeah, they’ve had to play the eventual champions more than enough times in the West.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 AM
kirk hinrich will be a FA in after next year…
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 AM
If not for a couple amazing, freak steals the Nuggets & Melo have a Finals appearance on their resume. That was a fun, badass team.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 AM
I know YOU didn’t say this. But you’re were countering my argue for why this is a dumb thing to say.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 AM
I knew ahead of time where Melo was going to go but he told me “Don’t Snitch”.
/Melo in Baltimore’d
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 AM
How about what this trade does for Denver’s current roster? They HAVE to trade Nene now, right?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 AM
They’ve beaten the Bulls twice this season. I can’t find any other way to get around this.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Replace Brewer with Douglas who can chase whatever terrible 2-guard the Bulls put out there.
Melo. Which isn’t really that big of a mismatch as Boozer isn’t really that big of an offensive force and tends to shoot 12-15 foot jumpers.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 AM
People completely discounting what Amare and Melo have done in the western conference the last decade is mind boggling.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 AM
this seems like a shortsighted deal “that had to be done”. it is just crappy that the stars can dictate where they go, and most of the stars are getting very concentrated.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 AM
I think the Nuggets made out great in this by getting rid of him and getting a great return to start a rebuild. They didn’t get Cavs’d.
It is well documented that I don’t think this guy is anything more than someone that can fill it up. I would not want to build my team around Carmelo Anthony. Just think that basketball isn’t the most important thing to him. Solely an opinion, not proclaiming it as gospel or anything.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 AM
It’s a trade NY needed to make, but surely they could have gotten Melo without giving so much. Maybe the next coach can win with them, as I don’t think D’Antoni can win anything with his style of play.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Yahoo! Sports article says that if they can’t reach an agreement on an extension for Nene soon, they’ll trade him before the deadline. Also said they’re looking to deal Gallinari. Not sure what their strategy is right now.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 AM
They should trade Kenyon for VC and a pick.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 AM
Rockets are fucked. No superstars and a bunch of role players
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
That team was close to insane as it gets. A bunch of knuckleheads on one team…Melo, Smith, Martin.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
While it’s certainly not a direct comparison, people said the same thing about Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Sometimes a change of scenery and added maturity will do wonders.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
If it wasn’t for the CBA and the Nets adding unusual wrinkles to the situation, then yes.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 AM
If this is the crutch for your argument, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Damn I wish the pistons were relevant.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 AM
earl boykins could run the point if cp3 and williams are too expensive…
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 AM
I am saying a team has to have proven or accomplished something before they can be placed in a category of “no way they can lose to this team in the first round”. The Bulls have accomplished nothing other than to become trendy pick. The playoffs is a different animal, and if I’m scanning both rosters, the two players I’d trust based on previous accomplishments are both on the Knicks roster, and THAT is enough to carry a first round series. This story has been written a hundred times.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 AM
I’m sorry for bringing up the possible Bulls-Knicks playoff series
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 AM
2 WCF appearances, and each within a hair of the Finals. Plus they got screwed over in 2007. The Suns should have made the Finals at least once. Gentry used D’Antoni’s basic formula and got a bunch of mismatches to the WCF and pushed the Lakers to 6.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 AM
It is. And your crutch is just purely hypothetical and speculative. There is nothing to back up your argument except for paper.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Gentry also did the one thing D’antoni was never willing to do and that is develop a bench.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 AM
It’s cool, we’re Pearlmaning right now.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 AM
You do realize that Rose is the leading MVP candidate and that the Bulls top 3 haven’t played together much right?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
People completely discounting what Amare and Melo have done in the western conference the last decade is mind boggling.
Amar’e accomplished nothing before D’Antoni and Nash got there. Even then, those fun Suns teams couldn’t get past the more defensively-minded Spurs (with help from Horry tbf).
As for Melo, he’s played in a city/franchise without expectations or demands. What happens when he has all of NYC on his back? He hasn’t shown himself as mature enough to deal with pressure.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
ignorant
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
You act like the bulls have never been to the playoffs. D. Rose and Noah have been there the last two yeas. And I’m pretty sure Boozer has been to the WCF. You can call it a trendy pick if you want, but watch some games. The bulls are a good squad. They will beat the knicks if they match up.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
wouldn’t jimmer be the ideal pg in d’antoni’s system? draft jimmer!
/when’s the next time the knicks have a 1st round pick?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
this sentence is so much more enjoyable with the word “crotch” in place of “crutch.”
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Well now D’Antoni doesn’t really have to worry about that, not entirely familiar with who the Knicks have left but they can’t be a deep team can they?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:31 AM
I will come out and make a definitive statement. The knicks will not beat the bulls if they meet up in the playoffs.
This x1000.
Who’s on the Knicks bench? You know you will need a bench.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:31 AM
I’d argue against that – the Suns were quite successful with strict 8 man rotation (I believe it was Barbosa, Bell, and Diaw off the bench). It wasn’t that they ran out of gas – San Antonio (in 2005, 2007) was just that good. They should have beaten Dallas though, I’m not sure how they lost that series.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 AM
I am saying a team has to have proven or accomplished something before they can be placed in a category of “no way they can lose to this team in the first round”.
So until the Thunder win a first round series, we should not count on them winning one this season?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 AM
WHAT?!?!?! Ugh.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Horseshoes and hand grenades.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 AM
My team is better than your team.
/suck on that one
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 AM
STAT played with Marbury before Nash. I don’t blame him.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 AM
I believe Jerry Stackhouse broke Joe Johnsons face in game 1.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 AM
They’ll be able to have 9 contributors. That’s enough.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 AM
I said agree to disagree. Then you bring it back up. You can have those 2 head to head matchups. They don’t matter one bit. The knicks have a completely different roster now and the bulls have only had their starting lineup together for 4 games. And boozer was just getting back then. So THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS A HYPOTHETICAL.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Knicks-Bulls? Please.
Deng-Boozer-Noah would destroy Melo-Amare-Turiaf
Not to mention D Rose against anyone is a mismatch.
worth noting: i think the old Knicks are 2-0 vs Chi this year
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:33 AM
This sounds like something Mike Lupica would say after counting the number of Melo’s tattoos.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
No idea if the Knicks will eventually return to glory. I do know they need more than Melo and Amare to do it though.
I heard Peter Vecsey on 660 this morning. He is as irritable and miserable a guy as ever.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
you and me both.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
really? Amare’ played two years when Nash got there. If I remember they made the playoffs his rookie year where they lost to the Spurs.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
As you can see the Suns are right at there usual top 3 seed in the west this year because Amare meant nothing! Amare became better once D’antoni left because he finally was playing at the 4 and not the 5.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
WHo wants to join my fantasy baseball league? Its for VIPs only.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Oh, my crotch is REAL.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 AM
ORLY? Didn’t know. Thanks.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 AM
also: Knicks-Bulls …
NYK still have 28 games left. Billups can’t handle Felton minutes.
Amare is bound to get tired.
And as others have said, there’s no bench to lean on.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 AM
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Being that you have to get past the first round to get to the next one, and on to the next? Yeah.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 AM
WHAT?!?!?! Ugh.
College pressure is not equal to Pro pressure. And the people in Denver never gave him shit until this year when he said he wanted out.
If Melo has 2 years in New York like the last 2 years in Denver, the Knicks fans will start saying they got robbed in that deal.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 AM
agreed they traded all the guys who dominated in those games with the exception of Amare.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 AM
I wish I could make this argument. But I’m not even that big of a homer. Although, if your team is cleveland, mine is better.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 AM
ROY
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 AM
This is a gutted roster that features Vince Carter wearing #25 and scoring like 10 ppg. It’s not the same.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Remind me never to get in any threads about the Knicks or Giants ever again.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Because they don’t have Amare.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 AM
HAHA! I thought TBL said he read the comments
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Damn, if SC thinks Melo is a loser, I can’t imagine what he secretly thinks of DRose. Never made it out of the first round and actually gagged in his NCAA title game, unlike Melo.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Is the MLJ one no more? Regardless, I’ll join. I’ll DM you my email.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 AM
I see people are still riding the Deng trade. He is to good to trade for Kobe and he’ll tear up Melo. Boozer can’t do anything with Stoudamire, and as far as Noah, let him get his garbage points.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 AM
really? Amare’ played two years when Nash got there. If I remember they made the playoffs his rookie year where they lost to the Spurs.
I get it that since the Knicks haven’t been anywhere near good the last decade that making the playoffs is seen as actually accomplishment, but it isn’t.
The only reason you put Amar’e and Carmelo on the same team is to go get a ring.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 AM
I just don’t buy this pressure thing when he’s handled being the alpha on his squad for years now pretty well and was probably the best player in the last Olympic squad. And you should go look at his past two seasons, compared with the rest, and then reconsider that last sentence.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 AM
05-06 Suns went to the the WCF without Amare. Their success had much more to do with Nash and the system than Amare.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 AM
I’m pretty sure the Knicks will be able to land someone else (likely Deron) who just wants to win and is tired of losing, so he will take a pay cut to get it done. Honestly, it sucks that after 2012, the parity in the league is going to suck really bad. D-Ho is likely bolting to LA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if CP3 follows suit.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 AM
This statement prooves you don’t watch basketball.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:40 AM
tampa – free league or cash league? head to head or roto?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
I think they got back a guy who can do well against the Bulls, if you don’t believe me, ask Deng about that buzzer beater Melo hit in his mug.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
rose is great, but id rather have amare than boozer, but deng is nowhere near carmelo’s class.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
I will say that Carlos Boozer is absolute garbage. He proved so in the playoffs last year.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
worth noting: i think the old Knicks are 2-0 vs Chi this year
Knicks just need to shoot 70% from beyond the arc and they are goldend.
Who was the ass clown on this board that had Knicks as a 4th seed right after that?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Isn’t that what they are doing?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
The “pressure” argument is lame. Melo will do just fine in NY. But they need to rebuild that bench before they are winning playoff series.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Saw your tweet the other day about Rose v. KU. Not sure we can be friends anymore.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Agreed on the pressure thing, but the Nuggets were at thier best when Billups was the alpha on the floor, not Melo. Billups ran that team, its too bad he completely fell off after 2009.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 AM
I’ve watched enough to have seen his coach pull him out of game just this year because of his lack of defense. Now all of a sudden he’s shutting down Stoudamire. c’mon.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Yep.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Definitely something we can agree on. Knicks need to find a backup pg in the worst way.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 AM
Boozer is a lazy defender. Even Gasol bullied him.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 AM
can i interest you in…
/scans cavs roster
…giving me a bullet to eat?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 AM
rose is great, but id rather have amare than boozer, but deng is nowhere near carmelo’s class.
Don’t let your blind hate of Noah let you leave him out of the discussion.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Do you think there’s any way Boozer is covering Stoudemire in the playoffs? FUCK NO. That will be Noah. Please watch more basketball before making silly arguments.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 AM
I’ll be 100% honest and say I was down on the kid. Ask Sparty some time, we used to talk about it. Did a total 180 on him this season, though. I’ve actually watched more than 6 games this year. The Bulls are good, it reinvigorated a dormant fan interest. He’s humble, quiet, cares about winning and worked on his weaknesses in the offseason. Basically, he’s turned into my favorite player.
Humility goes a long way with me. That, and focusing on your craft.
/still a HUGE Jo fan though
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 AM
boozer’s a better rebounder by miles than amare tho.
the fact that amare’s such a shitty rebounder absolutely confuses the shit out of me.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 AM
rose is great, but id rather have amare than boozer, but deng is nowhere near carmelo’s class.
Yep.
This.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 AM
It seems there is always some boneheaded GM who is willing to facilitate these moves via a three way deal.
/KAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 AM
What about Andy Rautins?
/wanking motion
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:46 AM
i’ll pay attention to noah when he isn’t injured for 1/3 of the season.
/no i won’t
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 AM
What’s funny is, the better Rose gets, the more I fucking hate him. He’s got a Super Sayien gear that seems to last forever during a game. I don’t need to see that shit in a red jersey again. Soemone needs to plant weed in that kids Range Rover.
/slips en envelope to Spence
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 AM
I’m pretty sure the Knicks will be able to land someone else (likely Deron) who just wants to win and is tired of losing, so he will take a pay cut to get it done.
That’s likely the only way they can land someone like Deron. But how big of a pay cut is the question. Like I said at the start, the Knicks might be better off trying to pry Rubio out of the Wolves’ hands and getting him in under a rookie contract. That way they’d have some cap space left to get a couple of key bench players.
Honestly, it sucks that after 2012, the parity in the league is going to suck really bad. D-Ho is likely bolting to LA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if CP3 follows suit.
I’m fully expecting both of those to happen — although if Deron goes to NYC and the Lakers land D-Ho, where does CP3 go? Dallas with what’s left of Dirk? The Clippers once Baron Davis departs? Massive paycut to play with Bron-Bron? Or to Brooklyn to play for Prokhorov?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Really hope this happens.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Here’s the thing, the Knicks gave up the farm for Melo and they are still a big time player away from being relevant.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Dear Isaiah/Jimmy D,
Ramon Sessions has really turned the corner as of late. You interested?
/stifles laughter
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 AM
//uses envelope to buy weed
///smokes weed with derrick rose
////gets pulled over anyways, tho completely unintentionally
/////name’s bong, james bong
and also, my hate for noah is not blind. it’s completely lucid.
the fact that that asshole has fans is bewildering.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Well, they were 2 big players away from being relevant yesterday morning, so that seems like progress.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM
haha. be honest, how many fewer Cavs games have you watched this year?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM
He was a straight out of HS player and his first coach was a guy that is notorious for having the lightest practices ever and “just rolling the ball out there”. For the one year he was away from that coach he had his best season as a player. Now he is back with said coach.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Haha – I forgot about that. I guess that’s why Fetch unfollowed me.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 AM
Winner
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:50 AM
A Deron Williams for Bynum deal would make sense for both teams assuming Williams wants out of Utah, which I think he does.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:50 AM
See I find your Rose hate by and large amusing…respect the creativity in keeping it fresh
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:50 AM
I’m the secretary of recreational use for the Joakim Noah fan club. If you’d like to join, just let me know.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:51 AM
the only one i watched was lebron’s return, and that was off by halfway thru the 2nd. im not kidding you when i say the decision completely disconnected me emotionally from the cavs.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:51 AM
There was a really cool article about Rose from the draft combine; read it. I know its not much, but it speaks volume about his character.
Definitely worth reading if you’re a Rose fan. This kid has got that focus that will make him a legend – I wouldn’t bet against him.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 AM
I am pretty sure this Melo trade all but inked but a franchise tag in the new CBA so I doubt Howard or Deron or CP3 will be headed anywhere soon.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:53 AM
What does cheating on your SATs say about your character?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:53 AM
I don’t see a franchise tag working in the NBA. If players want out, they usually find a way, i.e. Vince Carter, Alonzo Mourning.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:53 AM
He’s a hard nosed player who’s getting better every year. Plus he hates Cleveland. What’s not to love?
/ I’m kidding about the Cleve part
// spence blows a fuse
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 AM
How will that work. In the NFL, the salary is the average of the top 5 at the position (I believe). Don’t see that working in the NBA. Does a franchise player get max money for one year?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 AM
I blame you none for feeling like that. if somebody had asked me that question, my answer would have been “however many I watched last year, that’s how many fewer I’ve watched this year.”
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Really curious how this will work out. There’s 53 guys to choose from in the NFL, but only 12 in the NBA. The gravity of a franchise tag in the NBA is enormous.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Agreed. Its not like these players played 2-3 seasons and bolted. Deron, CP3 and D12 have been on these teams since thier rookie years and even signed extensions. They put in their time.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Now, if you suggested that Boozer will be guarding Stoudamire and Noah would come off of Turiaf and provide help D, then you might have something, because of Noah being and adequate shot blocker. Noah on Stoudamire straight up is foul trouble waiting to happen. Don’t let the nice performance against Cleveland’s dominant front line in last year’s playoffs fool you.
//who was on that frontline again?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Free Roto
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM
You must be a Laker fan.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM
that was done by telling opposing players crunch time plays his own team was about to call, and by saying he doesn’t want to dunk, and by not trying more than usual.
/ Who just completely gives up like that when the entire fan base supported him through everything?
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM
he’s one of the few athletes i have a legitimate, vehement hate for. like, hate as a human, not just an athlete. i truly believe the world would be better off without entitled, faggy rich boys thinking the world begins and ends with whatever they see in front of them.
fuck noah.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Or to Brooklyn to play for Prokhorov?
Winner
Only issue I’d say is that his current Hornets team is much better than the Nets. So he’s gonna need to engineer someone else’s move to BK to have a better shot at it out there.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 AM
YYSA, Dwight has been on the Magic since 2004, D-Will on the Jazz since 2005. If neither management can supply them with enough talent to win, then why shouldn’t they bolt??
DHo has had more chances to win, but Deron is known as one of the most competitive people in the league (I’ve read that only Rose, Kobe, and CP3 are as ferocious), but he’s had ONE season where he made it past the second round in all his years in Utah. Who wants to spend thier prime losing, while the rest of thier peers are consistently reaching the Finals or the conference Finals?
I don’t blame them at all.
February 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 AM
What makes you think this? Noah is one of the best defenders on the block in the NBA. He would do just fine against Amare. Don’t just throw random shit out there to make an argument.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Hey Spence remember when Noah and the gang shitted on OSU in the Natl’ Championship game?
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Exhibit A.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
lolz
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
We share something for different people.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
@Karma – a simple yes would have sufficed.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
I’m jarred by how much hate this is getting from Knicks fans. They gave up role players and a draft pick they would have botched for a top player. Sounds good to me.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
remember that time when michigan beat ohio state in football? wasn’t W on his first term still?
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
I am pretty sure this Melo trade all but inked but a franchise tag in the new CBA so I doubt Howard or Deron or CP3 will be headed anywhere soon.
How would a franchise tag function in the NBA? In the NFL, it works because the disparity between what the top guys make and the average player makes is vast enough to be a difference.
Franchising someone like D-Ho doesn’t mean much when he’s going to make max money.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 PM
I don’t think LeBron grew up as an entitled rich boy.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 PM
The great Tim Duncan always held Amare under 50.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Maybe not rich, but certainly entitled.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 PM
weak.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:07 PM
don’t mistake activity and willingness for effectiveness. He gets pushed around down low. Watch a game man!
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 PM
So Noah isnt good?
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:09 PM
Rich, no, but entitled yes. One of the reasons I don’t like the guy – he’s never really had to work for anything in his career, or his life. I’m not talking work as in “put in work to be the best” work, I’m talking rising up from the bottom to the top type of work. The dude has been revered his whole life and it shows in his attitude, especially towards other people. That’s why I prefer guys like D-Wade and Kobe.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 PM
What does cheating on your SATs say about your character?
Is it cheating if he didn’t take it?
/i keed
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 PM
The heat and lakers benches laugh at the knicks bench. The celtics bench poops all over the other benches in the east.
/would not feel same way if gortat was still in orlando.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Just stop.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Dammit wordpress! I was logged in 30 minutes ago when I left my stupid comment. Ugh. This trade is only bad in the sense that it took too long. It would have been fine in December. Now this season is really still a wash as far as contending. The Knicks are better than they’ve been but they don’t have any margin for error right now. If this roster doesn’t fully gel, oh well. There isn’t time to switch out the spare parts to find a balance (the way the Heat have, for instance)
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 PM
lol
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 PM
Besides Odom, that bench is wildly inconsistent.
Read that sentence again and its quite apparent the Lakers are not normal right now.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 PM
yes, the guy who raped a chick is totally grounded and down to earth.
nevermind that kobe grew up a rich boy and took fucking brandy to the prom…he really brought himself up by the bootstraps out of the gutter.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 PM
If Lebron was so entitled when the Cavs picked him in the draft he would have forced a trade to one of the NBA’s premiere franchises.
/Kobe was extremely entitled
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 PM
This. And you forgot the word allegedly in the first part.
/wanking motion
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 PM
What just happened to my comment? Throwing Kobe in there was over the top ridiculous as a way of saying LeBron is too entitled.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Karma, my point is that the lakers bench being inconsistent is still better than the knicks bench.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Really you need to watch a game if you’re going to spout that nonsense. I mean unless of course your first name is Yannick. Then, I understand.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:17 PM
I don’t mean in terms of upbringing. I meant in the sense that Kobe was a bench player at the beginning of his career. He was the 13th pick in the draft – no one expected him to be this good so his desire to prove himself has always been higher. Same goes for D-Wade.
I respect Lebron that he has matched the amount of hype and adulation he has received, but the guy is too much of an egotist, and that’s coming from a fan of Kobe in his younger days.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Noah is a bitch.
/ignoring fact that celtics have biggest bitch in KG
//love is blind
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Stop trolling. With that screen name you should be better than that.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 PM
Do you think the hornets regret trading him for Vlade?
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 PM
BTW on the Draft thing – Kobe didn’t force the trade. Jerry West had said he would draft Kobe and was orchestrating the trade behind the scenes. Plus, Charlotte got Vlade freaking Divac when he was actually pretty good for unproven 17 year old.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 PM
d-wade was the 5th pick in the most loaded top end of the draft of all time…people expected PLENTY of him.
lets not pretend kobe was some undrafted free agent. hell, gilbert arenas has a legit beef, but nobody (or their fans) drafted 13th overall can play the “nobody believed in me game.”
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 PM
didn’t kobe not hire and agent so he could keep his eligibilty? and didn’t he say that he wasn’t going to play for charlotte?
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 PM
I’ve been on this board long enough to not be trolling. Keep your arguments to the subject and don’t question whether or not I watch enough games to know what I’m talking about, and we’re cool.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 PM
I also enjoy lying to myself about my favorite players. Tis fandom at its finest.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 PM
I meant in the sense that Kobe was a bench player at the beginning of his career. He was the 13th pick in the draft
Kobe was a bench player because the Lakers had Eddie Jones at the 2 and there was still skepticism about guys going straight from high school to the league. Remember how he was only the second guy of this generation to make that jump (a year after Garnett did it)? Also, he was in the Dunk contest as a rookie and took the Lakers last six shots (airball! airball!) of the season. Not exactly “up from the bottom” but I could see why you might think he had a harder route than LeBron. That Lakers team was also a damn sight better than the Cavs when LeBron got picked
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 PM
I’ve been on this board long enough to not be trolling.
yet thats exactly what you do.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Yea, who’ll contain CJ Watson and Omer Asik.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 PM
I’m pretty sure Kobe didn’t say at any point he was not going to play for Charlotte. The Lakers were interested in Kobe so they agreed on a deal with the Hornets that they would draft him and trade him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac. It was a normal draft day deal, like many others.
Not one person (aside from Kobe and maybe Jerry West) though Kobe was going to be an all-time great till about his second or third season. Hell, people thought he’d be like Penny without Shaq in 2004 even.
Even I expected greateness from Lebron, and I haven’t liked him since about 2004.
During his rookie season, Del Harris yanked his minutes consistently. One game he’d play 10, the next he’d play 2. After barely playing against the Jazz most of that series, Harris unexpectedly plugged in Kobe in the final moments for some reason. Cue the airballs from an 18 year old.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 PM
I don’t see the relevance of that. Winning the dunk contest just means exposure, it doesn’t mean greatness lies ahead for you. See: Jason Richardson, Harold Minor, Vince Carter (!!!), Nate Robinson, Dee Brown, etc.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 PM
If the Knicks had the balls to hold firm and tell Denver “he’s not going to NJ, and you can take the package (without Felton), or lose him for nothing” why didn’t that happen. I don’t understand at all, why with Ty Lawson already there, Denver NEEDED to get Felton.
Then you trade Felton (either now or at season’s end) for Rubio to MN, who Kahned up the ’09 draft ended up with no good PGs after picking three of them. I’d have voted for season’s end, bc all the sudden Billups is going to be playing a lot of minutes without a Lawson/Felton spelling him.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 PM
To me, Felton is the swing vote that NY didn’t need to throw in, and Denver didn’t need to get, but they did anyway, just to be able to swing their testicles around the next time the owners get together. Basically the opposite of Chris Wallace.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Also, Charlotte was a 50 win team the year after that trade. It was a pre-arranged deal – I think this is one of the many narratives people who don’t like Kobe love to believe.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:37 PM
there’s a big difference between “not being an all time great” and “no expectations.”
you expect things out of your first rounders, esp if they’re in the lottery. period. it’s foolish to argue otherwise.
and the point is not to rehash kobe vs. lebron, it’s to dispell this notion that kobe WASN’T given the keys to basketball royalty at birth. he had a easy lane to professional sportsdom and he’s an etitled, arrogant egomaniac equally on the level of lebron.
rose on the other hand? i agree.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:37 PM
The relevance of the dunk contest is that you’re at least on the radar, not UFTB
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:38 PM
he had a easy lane to professional sportsdom and he’s an etitled, arrogant egomaniac equally on the level of lebron.
Yeah, that was the whole point in the first place.
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Wait, all this had a point?
/scans the previous 50 comments
//walks away
February 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 PM
“He wouldn’t work out with us and that bothered us,” Bass said. “We couldn’t meet him. His agent was trying to aim him to the Lakers and they threatened us.”
The Hornets got the message that if they drafted Bryant, he wouldn’t play in Charlotte.
February 22nd, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Maybe not a good trade in a vacuum, but a good move overall – if that makes sense.