Asomugha’s existence on the Raiders all these years only serves to prove how much all eleven players on the field matter.

Yes, but to Stark’s and my point, if you take Nnamdi off the Raiders and add Portis all these years, Raiders would have been better. Good CB matters less than good RB.

Really? Pointing out that the Raiders can suck horribly with the best cover corner in the game is silly? Sorry, but I thought it illustrated Stark’s point perfectly.

Asomugha’s existence on the Raiders all these years only serves to prove how much all eleven players on the field matter.

but I do know that citing Asomugha’s existence on the Raiders as evidence of whatever your point is is silly.

Really? Pointing out that the Raiders can suck horribly with the best cover corner in the game is silly? Sorry, but I thought it illustrated Stark’s point perfectly.

CBs in general, and Champ in particular, are overrated in what they add to a team.

See: Asomugha, Nnamdi

Oh christ. I don’t truthfully know whether cornerbacks are overvalued or undervalued by fans or front offices, but I do know that citing Asomugha’s existence on the Raiders as evidence of whatever your point is is silly.

CBs in general, and Champ in particular, are overrated in what they add to a team.

See: Asomugha, Nnamdi

giving away 2nd and 3rd round picks for TJ Duckett

Robbery. Awful.

Not exactly what I’m saying. My original comment was saying that the specific wins generated (or whatever term applies for football) don’t really favor Champ enough or at all to claim this specific move as a particular victory for the Broncos. It came out about even, as far as these things go. I’m saying the Redskins inability to replace Champ Bailey is being overstated. The Skins themselves made some bad moves in expecting Smoot or whoever else to be able to replace Champ but that’s the bad personnel move not the fact that they traded Bailey. Obviously you have to take stock of the whole roster but my claim is that CBs in general, and Champ in particular, are overrated in what they add to a team. And that the Redskins would have had some bullshit running & passing attacks without Clinton, at least as bad as the bullshit coverage they have had without Champ

As an example, if the Steelers trade the Rapist for Darrell Revis, evaluating the trade shouldn’t take into account the huge dropoff in QB play that resulted in losses because they got more than fair value from the trade? Even though the dropoff in QB play contributed largely to it?

Why would we give away excellence at one position for overratedness at another?

/Sorry Jersey, couldn’t resist!

That first sentence does not make the trade itself any worse.

Really? So when evaluating a trade in hindsight, you don’t take into account the roster you were working with?

As an example, if the Steelers trade the Rapist for Darrell Revis, evaluating the trade shouldn’t take into account the huge dropoff in QB play that resulted in losses because they got more than fair value from the trade? Even though the dropoff in QB play contributed largely to it?

I love Clinton Portis. I love that he takes offense to blitzing linebackers and puts them on their ass. But’s been proven over and over again that a team with a good running game can replace a back and largely maintain productivity levels. It might not be the same, but the dropoff is not severe.

That first sentence does not make the trade itself any worse. Like I said, the specific trade is not a bad move. The second half of this paragraph I take 100% exception to. There are by no means “any number of young” backs that could replcae Clinton Portis. I’m scared to use the “complete back” moniker but Clinton is good in all phases of the game in a way that most backs are not. I agree that there is a significantly larger supply of good RBs in relation to the amount of good CBs available but the direct impact on a game outcome produced by a great RB is generally much higher. That means that a great RB (Clinton was a great RB) is generally worth more than a great CB. Also, The cap # on Champ is higher, freeing up money for Dan to do his stupid shit

Not sure the intent of original poster, but he jerked LaVar around on his contract. Lavar is a good dude.

I’m no skins fan, but I thought he did something jacked up to him with his contract or something. I wasn’t ever implying Lavar did anything bad, just Snyder.

suing people for defamation

this is the funny part to me… everything in the article is true. how can it be defamation?

I’ll fight you on that.

Well let’s brawl. I go at this from two angles that I think are truths.

One, running backs in the NFL are fungible. That includes Clinton Portis for most of his career. Good cornerbacks are certainly not.

Two, the Redskins cornerback play since that time. Ugh. Replacing Clinton Portis with a young running back they could have drafted with any number of the draft picks they’ve traded would have been MUCH easier.

that said, giving away 2nd and 3rd round picks for TJ Duckett (who maybe had 5 carries that year) was far dumber.

Holy shit, I forgot about that. Yeah, it’s as if he he said “I’m doubling down on my dumb. YOU CAN’T TEACH ME ANYTHING!”

Is this what Jerry Jones would have been like if Jimmy Johnson didn’t win him those championships?

Jones at least has some idea of what is going on.

Don’t forget my 2nd favorite Redskin of all time: Santana Moss for Laveranues Coles is very heavily in the Skins favor

the champ trade would have been fair without the draft pick included. that said, giving away 2nd and 3rd round picks for TJ Duckett (who maybe had 5 carries that year) was far dumber.

None of you have mentioned trading Champ Bailey. Which was the dumbest thing he’s done, in my opinion. By far.

to me, this doesn’t come close to DMac fiasco. 2 picks for a one year rental that didn’t make playoffs? At least Portis was a serviceable back for several years. I think a solid workhorse RB like portis is more valuable than bailey. but you have to know what you are doing so it doesn’t blow up in your face, and the skins obv do not.

i’m like a beaten house wife when it comes to the skins; i take the bad in stride and only dwell on the rare bright areas (Landry, Orakbeast, Silverback).