NFL Draft: Attempting to Find Out How, Why, and When the Blaine Gabbert Lovefest Began

Mike Mayock of the NFL Network released his 2011 draft “Top 5′s” Tuesday during the Senior Bowl practice and somewhat surprisingly, Jake Locker was the No. 2 QB behind Blaine Gabbert. Locker, who had a terrible season at Washington and probably should have left college after his junior year – when he would have been a Top 10 lock – appeared to play his way out of the first round this Fall.
The three most prominent draft pundits – Mayock, Todd McShay and Mel Kiper – all have fallen in love with Locker again after he was relentlessly bashed throughout the season. Which means the first two QBs drafted will be: A) Blaine Gabbert, a system QB at Missouri who nobody was talking about in any capacity in early December, and B) Locker, a QB who never completed 60 percent of his passes in any season, and was a combined 9-36 for 127 yards in two games against Nebraska this year (those were his two worst games; he was pretty bad the rest of the year, too).
The Gabbert love could actually be more surprising than Locker’s resurgence. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was the buzzy draft name all season, and Cam Newton surged, too. Gabbert never got into the discussion. He had a great game in a victory against No.1 Oklahoma in October, and then was terrible in the next two games at Nebraska and Texas Tech. Statistically, Gabbert had a better sophomore year.
As best I could piece together online, McShay’s thoughts on Gabbert date back to August, when he tabbed him 2nd-round material (after Luck, Locker and Mallett). In October (before the Oklahoma game), McShay had Gabbert battling Christian Ponder for 4th among QBs (Ponder’s shoulder surgeries could have him fall all the way to undrafted) that could have been drafted, but said he wouldn’t take Gabbert in the first “two or three rounds.” And then, in late December, McShay started to rave about Gabbert.
I checked Kiper’s “top 5s” throughout the Fall and he had Gabbert as the No. 4 non-senior QB all season. The last “Top 5″ he did in 2010 was on Dec. 22. Gabbert was 4th after Luck, Mallett and Newton. And then … in Kiper’s first one of the new year … Jan. 5: Gabbert was No. 2 after Luck. That day, Kiper wrote about Gabbert soared up his draft board into the Top 10. To this date, I haven’t read a firm reason as to why Gabbert soared above Mallett and Newton.
(Mayock’s rankings from October, November, and December – assuming he did them – aren’t very easy to find.)
Maybe everybody was enjoying the exhibitions bowl games, or the holiday, or the NFL, but for some reason, Gabbert went from “Missouri’s QB” to “Top 10 NFL draft pick” in Herschel Walker’s 40 time. Here’s a collection of tweets about Gabbert from late December, and you’ll see some surprise that McShay had Gabbert ahead of Locker and Newton (Stew Mandel’s tweet would have probably echoed the feelings of most college football fans).
Did Gabbert get a good agent who pumped up his client to the draft gurus? Instead of hanging with family over the holidays, did Kiper and McShay watch extra tape on Gabbert? Or did Kiper and McShay get on the horn with GMs around the league, who raved about Gabbert?

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January 26th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Gabbert was always going to be a drooled over prospect. He has a great arm, he’s big and he can move in and out of the pocket.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Every QB is a system QB to some degree.
Nebraska’s secondary was fucking nasty this year. Nebraska also owned Gabbert in his two starts against them.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:04 PM
it’s stupid. that’s the only explanation.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:06 PM
I’ll go with this one.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
Doubt it. More than likely the draft folks talked to NFL folks and they kept saying Gabbert.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
I’m with you here, TBL. Gabbert may prove to be a good pro prospect, but his meteoric rise is inexplicable. Maybe there is such a vacuum left by Luck staying in school, someone had to fill the hype void, deserving or not.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
When Roethlisberger came out, wasn’t he one of those guys who suddenly got hot right before the draft?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
I was thrown for a loop when this guy’s name first started to pop up. Never heard of him until like November.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
This is a boring draft and they are trying to fond someone to hype up against locker..that’s the only explanation
January 26th, 2011 at 3:08 PM
Fuck! Torres just got ROBBED on that offsides call!
/sorry
//carry on
January 26th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
same here. didn’t TBL or someone have an article about Kiper hyping up agents who grease his pocket?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
Kid was an all-world recruit. He decommited from NEB when Callahan was fired.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
Was Matt Ryan talked about much the year he was drafted? I honestly don’t remember but it seems like he was another QB taken when no better options were available.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
Kiper also had Jimmy Clausen as his #1 QB last year. So…yeah.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
CONSPIRACY!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
When Roethlisberger came out, wasn’t he one of those guys who suddenly got hot right before the draft?
he’d been getting some love for a while, if i remember right. Husker’s Gabbert description fits Roethlisberger pretty well, so draft love for him makes some sense.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
I think Flacco was a product of this too….not top ten, but no one had ever heard of him until the draft.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
If I am QB needy team, I take the best player available, sign a combo of Tarvaris Jackson/David Carr/Todd Collins and tank for the #1 pick next year to get Luck.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
) Blaine Gabbert, a system QB at Missouri who nobody was talking about in any capacity in early December
Maybe it is just because I live here, but it was widely assumed this was his last year at Mizzou during the Summer. Anyhow, as always, Fuck Mizzou.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
it’s actually really simple shit…
do good teams need QB’s? no. do bad teams need QB’s? yes. so it’s only natural that teams with QB needs would draft QB’s.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
Not that I recall, people don’t get excited about 4 yard passes in college either
January 26th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
Better question. Over/Under 50 lbs of weight gained since Roethlisberger was drafted.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
More like Alex Smith. Ryan was taken third because he was a good prospect. Smith was taken because the idiot 49ers fell into the “you have to take a QB first if you suck” trap.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
So…if this team you’re referring to already has Carr….does that mean we have the inside track?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Oh, people, please stop it. Blaine Gabbert has always been this level of prospect, just the same as Ryan Mallett. You didn’t hear about him much because nobody was expecting him to come out after this year. If you love the draft and never heard of Blaine Gabbert I don’t know what you were reading. And, yes, Matt Ryan was a very much discussed prospect in his own right.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
lolz
January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Nice write up, TBL.
As for Ponder, if his Shoulder checks out, I think he would be a great pick between rds 2 and 3.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
I remember scouts drooling about his intangibles and comparing him to Tom Brady.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Under….but barely
FUCK! You want to know what plays in my nightmares every night?
“With the 24th selection in the 2005 draft, the Green Bay Packers select….”
January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
[annoying TV pundit] I watched every snap of the Insight Bowl [/annoying TV pundit] and I was impressed by the throws he made. He can make NFL throws and has above average mobility. Accuracy and decision making skills are a question, but I’m more impressed with his arm and passing skills than Locker and his mobility and decision making over Mallett.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Maybe it is just because I live here, but it was widely assumed this was his last year at Mizzou during the Summer.
I did not know this. All the draft blogs and b.s. that I read had him as an “and if he decides to come out this year it could shake up the order a bit” kind of guy. I’d never thought of him as a sure thing to leave
January 26th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
As for Ponder, if his Shoulder checks out, I think he would be a great pick between rds 2 and 3.
Jacksonville, round 3.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:17 PM
I know it’s become fashionable to rip Ryan, but I’m convinced the offense ATL runs and the personnel they have on the edge dictates his numbers more than his ability.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
I read yesterday that Locker has been pretty off the mark in Senior Bowl practices so far. Overthrowing receivers and being just generally inaccurate. There’s something about him that makes writers just drool over him for no reason at all.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:18 PM
I don’t know about Ponder, JHS. Even if the shoulder checks out I think he’s got that label as being fragile. Might go later than previously expected
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Well, Whitlock wrote an article after his first game vs Illinois. Maybe someone can find it.
I had a bet from a year ago that Gabbert would go top 20.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Fapfapfapfapfapfapfap
/No homo
//Alright, yes homo
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
He was apparently terrible on Monday and good on Tuesday, MS. Which doesn’t do much to change the perception of him as inconsistent, now does it?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Come on, people. Gabbert was always on the NFL’s radar. Just because some stooge mock draft experts didn’t have him up there doesn’t mean he wasn’t going to be a high pick. Once Luck went back to Stanford, it became a three horse race between Gabbert, Cam and Locker. Locker has looked terrible for 2 years and Cam had one year under his belt in a run-based spread offense.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Better question. Over/Under 50 lbs of weight gained since Roethlisberger was drafted.
Under. He’s not exactly svelte in that picture.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
The fact that Locker is even talked about as a QB shows how stupid these pundints can be.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
Roddy White is no Wes Welker.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
/cries
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Why would you want a guy that’s too soft to play through an injury?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
He can make NFL throws
To both teams!
Well, Whitlock wrote an article after his first game vs Illinois. Maybe someone can find it.
I had a bet from a year ago that Gabbert would go top 20. Lisk
Yeah, it isn’t like he was under some rock.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Gabbert should be forbade from being drafted in the first round for throwing the Insight Bowl away.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
He was apparently terrible on Monday and good on Tuesday, MS. Which doesn’t do much to change the perception of him as inconsistent, now does it?
Precisely.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Roddy White is no Wes Welker.
Ha! High five extended to Brawny Tom!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Take away Roddy (who had sick numbers, by the way) and ATL has no one that scares anyone. That’s just the truth of the matter.
Cassino even thinks he’s overrated.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Plus they know they can’t hoodwink him when it comes to negotiating a contract. He’s got experience.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
I also didn’t realize Gabbert was such a surprise as a first round prospect.
I’m going with the “McShay actually talked to real NFL people” angle.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
roddy white >>> welker
January 26th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
You new here?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
Christ. Look at the first round in ’05.
/vomits
January 26th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
I’d prefer not to be reminded of Cedric Benson, thank you.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
If we’re talking about suntans, then I agree.
/Boston stereotype’d
January 26th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Christ. Look at the first round in ’05.
/vomits
I know, right.
/Heath Miller at 30 is niiiiiiccccceee.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Christ. Look at the first round in ’05.
I don’t even need to look. Matt fucking Jones.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Not a bad draft.
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn
January 26th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
which is why I don’t understand why Mallett’s stock is falling. I understand he isn’t mobile, but there are plenty of NFL QB’s that aren’t. sure he makes a shitty throw here and there, but his numbers also got better between his soph and junior year.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Love seeing that Troy Williamson pick at #7…the Vikings are funny
January 26th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
They barely play the same position.
/and you’re missing some extra >>>
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Christ. Look at the first round in ’05.
/vomits
also, 3 backs in the top 5? when will teams learn that its the easiest position to fill?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
First round pick wouldn’t be a surprise. 1st (or Top 5) OVERALL pick would be.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Locker…would have been a Top 10 lock
According to who? I recall McShay had him in the first round, and the NFL Draft Advisory Committee had to personally call Locker to tell him that he was not likely to be drafted in the first round.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
/does line off of Big Mac wrapper in front seat in Walmart parking lot
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Ironically, Mike Williams (USC) might actually work out as a decent player in the NFL, given how he did this year with Seattle. But besides Derrick Johnson to KC, all picks before Aaron Rodgers were ugggggghhhhhhh.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Husker: I only saw about 5 of Ryan’s games this year, but on pass plays he either would: A) Staredown White (who I have a man-crush on) and force a throw to him; B) check it down to Snelling/Gonzo or C) Not feel the pass rush and get sacked.
I am sure some of it is him being told to take care of the ball and be safe, but he seems really comfortable doing that. Regarding his other WR, look at a Brady WR corp or even Pitts (outside of Wallace). Nobody that scares defenses, but the QBs are not afraid to let it fly 15+ yards down field.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Slow release and absolutely no mobility whatsoever. I think he can be good, but that is probably why he’s dropping.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
/remembers Lions drafting Mike Williams
//vomits
//remembers thinking that was a good pick
////vomits
/////lot of busts in that draft
January 26th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Wow. Not one star in that top 10. I hope some scouts got fired for that.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:29 PM
That’s the only thing we got right that year.
GORE!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
I hope to god the 49ers don’t fall for this Gabbert fellow. Glad Harbaugh came from college in this respect. He knows where the fools gold is. Gabberts agent must’ve been Kipers frat buddy.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:30 PM
D. Ware and Jamaal Brown would like a word.
/So would a roided up Merriman.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:31 PM
The Top 5 QB lists these clowns come up with feel about as genuine as Oscars voting.
Good teams should just listen to their own scouts, and shitty teams should ask Bill Belichick what to do.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:31 PM
Fewest (or in the bottom 3) sacks allowed this year…so you’re wrong on that one. As I said, he stared down Roddy because no one else can get open. ATL desperately needs a fast No. 2 WR who can get down the field. Look at Ryan in college. It’s not like he can’t make the throws. When you add in the personnel and the offense Mularky runs, you are never going to see a down field passing game.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
I just hope the 49ers draft Prince Amukamara from Nebraska would rather Patrick Peterson from LSU but he wont be on the board at number 7 we need a shutdown corner bad plus Nate Clements needs to take a paycut.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
B/c Kiper is a fag
January 26th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
This made me laugh. +1
January 26th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
Wasn’t reading it closely enough I guess.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
After looking at some of those other draft histories, I’ve concluded that it is the biggest waste of time in regards to the things I enjoy that are sports related.
It’s useless to even discuss.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
As long as Prince doesn’t go to Dallas, or any of the NFC South teams. I’m thinking about planting weed on him so he’ll fall to Atlanta.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
oh, i know.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
did the Jags do absolutely 0 research into him? even everyone in Arkansas was baffled when he went in the first round.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
How much guaranteed money does that guy have left? Awful signing.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
I love the draft because it’s the one time that college and the NFL meet, but yeah, they fuck up picks a lot.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
TBL, nice article, but you are missing one major point, which Lisk alluded to…Kiper, Mayock, and McShay are not moving Gabbert up because they have suddenly changed their opinion of him…they are moving him up because NFL guys are telling them that Gabbert’s stock is much higher than what they previously thought. It’s really that simple, there is no great mystery here.
@Butters, re: Troy Williamson…even as a Gamecock fan, I thought that was ludicrous. Of course, the Vikings kind of made up with it by stealing another Gamecock, Sidney Rice in the 2nd round — who was light years ahead of any place Williamson ever even dreamed about.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
Umm, that’s not gonna happen. Who’s gonna play QB? Will we even have that pick come draft time? Do we re-sign Smith? I’d like to.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
I can endorse this. Clements can take a pay cut or GTFO. Oh, and thanks for nothing Tarrel Brown.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Is the Locker love really a shock? The guy is a prototype, big, fast, strong arm, pretty release, throws a good/catchable ball, is a great athlete (for a QB), and by all accounts is the all-american good guy. Sadly the guy couldn’t hit sand in the desert. However, we’ve all seen the workout wonder/eyeball test guys shoot up the draft boards, this is the same situation with a QB. Some GM/Head Coach/QB Coach will convince himself that he can turn this set of tools into a stud QB. Ego and hubris, gentlemen but certainly not a shock.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
But he had SEC speeeeeeeeeeeeeeed…
January 26th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
I am not saying he got sacked a lot, I am saying it looked like he didn’t have a feel for the pass rush. When you rather check it down than look down field for an extra half second or two, you are going to have low sack rates (and low YPA).
January 26th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
NATE CLEMENTS IS A FUCKING SAINT!
/shaker heights, represent
January 26th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
The Top 5 QB lists these clowns come up with feel about as genuine as Oscars voting.
You shut your mouth about Marisa Tomei!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:39 PM
Ballz WANTS WINNERS.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Yep. Part of the enjoyment of watching is seeing just how wrong guys like McShay (incredibly), Kiper (often) and Mayock (sometimes) are.
I’ve made no secret my disdain for all things Todd McShay.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
Kyle Orton!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
+ one 8 ball
January 26th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
!
Every year guys move up an down the draft boards because they were either a hundredth of a second faster or slower than expected (even though a person can’t mark that small of a fragment of time) or they didn’t jump as high as expected. It’s ridiculous.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
I’m with ya. Fuck that clown.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
He’s been stuck in the worst possible situation for a QB his entire career while still showing some promise. Now that there’s a little more stability I ‘d like to see if he can give everyone a nice big shit burger to eat.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
did the Jags do absolutely 0 research into him? even everyone in Arkansas was baffled when he went in the first round.
Shack Harris and Del Rio fell in love with his combine numbers. There is a reason why Harris was canned (he’s a senior exec with the Lions) and Del Rio is not involved in personnel decisions.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Worst Oscar snubs in my opinion:
Saving Private Ryan losing to Shakespeare in Love
The Shawshank Redemption losing to Forrest Gump…Gump was a good movie, but it was no Shawshank.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
what lost to the english patient? that was indefensible.
/english patient was fucking terrible
January 26th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
I agree with this and would like to add L.A. Confidential losing to Titanic.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
No matter what you say from here on out, you can do no wrong in my book after this statement.
That finish should have went:
1. Shawshank
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Forrest Gump
Fuck that retard.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Fuck that movie too.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Ballz – you have to be the last person on earth who still believes in Alex Smith.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Worst Oscar snubs in my opinion:
Saving Private Ryan losing to Shakespeare in Love
The Shawshank Redemption losing to Forrest Gump…Gump was a good movie, but it was no Shawshank.
Goodfellas losing to Dances with Wolves. That’s pretty egregious.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:47 PM
Fargo and Jerry McGuire
January 26th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
I’m ashamed to say it, but I have never seen Dances With Wolves. I’ve seen Goodfellas, but I can’t comment on which was better. I’ve heard good things about DWW though.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:48 PM
oh, for real…fargo was better than the english muffin.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Titanic over LA Confidential.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Fargo and Jerry Maguire lost to the English Patient I think. Saving Private Ryan ended up being overrated. Shakespeare In Love deserved to win. That’s a good film.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
i liked dances with wolves but goodfellas was iconic.
didn’t raging bull lose to some shitty movie too?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
let me try again:
/team moderation
//team ctrl + v
January 26th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
That’s what I get for fact checking before hitting submit.
/tip of the cap
January 26th, 2011 at 3:50 PM
There’s a shitload. Traffic losing to Gladiator comes to mind.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
I thought Crash kinda sucked, after about a half hour I think their message of “Hey! Everyone’s racist!” was pretty well established…thought Brokeback Mountain was better
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
You’re fired
/J. Peterman’d
//I agree
Jerry McGuire can suck a dick, what a shit awful movie. Fargo was better than that or English Patient. Dances with Wolves is a damn good movie.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
I believe Kiss of the Spiderwoman won the best picture oscar. I’m not sure what was snub, but that movie sucked.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
oh, for real…fargo was better than the english muffin.
Much much better. William H. Macy by himself was better than all of the English Patient.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
what got me was how Kiper could have him 4th for months … and then boom, all of a sudden he’s 2 behind Luck.
was it the bowl game? did these guys talk to GMs? What happened?
Anyone?
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
GLADIATOR WON BEST FILM? WTF?!?!?!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Fag!
/love that part
January 26th, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Yo, Hernia, TBL, take me out of moderation please.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
luck dropped out and nobody wants mallett…simple as that.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Bullshit.
You redeemed yourself here.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
There is nothing to be ashamed of with that statement.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
I guess I got moderated for saying Jerry McGuire can suck a dick.
/sigh
January 26th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Your NFL writer explained it well.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
Beautiful Mind was fucking horrible. It should not have won.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
I’m ashamed to say it, but I have never seen Dances With Wolves. I’ve seen Goodfellas, but I can’t comment on which was better. I’ve heard good things about DWW though.
Don’t be ashamed. It’s awful. Nothing about that movie is accurate and it’s just a dumb love story too.
The only two things I got out of that movie were that ‘tatanka’ means buffalo in Sioux and that it was funny to me that Kevin Costner’s love interest in the movie had a Sioux name of ‘Stands with a Fist’.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
DeMarcus Ware? Also Shawne Merriman was great for 3 seasons. Otherwise yeah, lots of poop.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:53 PM
I’m going with this one.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:54 PM
Saving Private Ryan ended up being overrated.
Bullshit.
I second this bullshit. There is absolutely nothing overrated about that movie. It’s even based on actual occurrence during the Normandy campaign.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Yeah, but Jennifer Connelly………yum.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Saving Private Ryan losing to Shakespeare in Love is only a big deal because Spielberg won best director that year and director usually always wins best picture as well.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Great score though by John Barry.
/no relation to Rick
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
I always read this guy’s name as “Maycock” when I see it. I have no idea why.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Also, Gangs of New York should’ve won over Chicago.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
Ha…I’d rank those 2 as the 4th and 5th best of the 1997 nominees. I liked Good Will Hunting, As Good As It Gets, and The Full Monty better than either of those.
But the true Best Picture of 1997 wasn’t even nominated: The Apostle.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
locker is shit, and i cant believe this isnt a recognized by “experts” yet.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
There’s a joke to be made here.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
I liked Traffic, but I loved Gladiator.
Crash was enjoyable, but not some ground breaking picture. Very good, but probably overrated. Still probably a top 5 heist flick though.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
Anyone?
Your NFL writer explained it well.
Nobody reads the comments, indeed. TBL, look for the wordiest comments in the thread and you’ll see that this ground has actually been covered ad nauseum and the convo has moved onto the ever delightful “who deserved the Oscar the most?”
January 26th, 2011 at 3:56 PM
That’s funny.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
I liked the first half of the movie, hated the second half. I also hated Saving Private Ryan solely because of that fucking chicken shit skinny American guy who was too afraid to kill anyone at the end of the movie.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
I liked it a lot, hooray for math getting its moment in the sun!
January 26th, 2011 at 3:57 PM
I completely agree here.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
I can see Deion Sanders rolling around the ground and laughing if “Maycock” was ever said on set.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
Because you heart cock?
/Yeah I said it jck
January 26th, 2011 at 3:58 PM
These lists are very fluid.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
It’s a good film and all. People just talk about it like it’s the greatest thing ever. Shakespeare in Love earned everyones, including my, scorn. I saw it for the first time a few months ago and thought it was great. And not just Gwyneth Paltrows tits.
January 26th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Raging Bull, one of the best movies ever made, lost to Ordinary People which as since been totally forgotten
January 26th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
I’d like to see Sanders get punched in the face.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
No way has Ordinary People been forgotten. That’s an amazing movie. I saw Ordinary People before I saw Raging Bull. Guys just like Raging Bull better because there’s lots of swearing and fighting and Pesci and DeNiro.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
fucking crime.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
The real Bill The Butcher is buried 4 blocks from my house.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
Faraday did his job well, I see.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
That was a young Daniel Faraday.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:01 PM
It’s a good film and all. People just talk about it like it’s the greatest thing ever.
It’s one of the best war movies ever. About the only ones I’d put ahead of it are, maybe, Platoon. And maybe Das Boot.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
William Hurt won the Oscar, but it did not win Best Picture.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
One of my favorite books, but the movie was very eh. But Timothy Hutton will always be Oscar Winner Timothy Hutton.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
Don’t be ashamed. It’s awful. Nothing about that movie is accurate and it’s just a dumb love story too.
Didn’t really enjoy Dances with Wolves other than the setting. I think it was filmed in the Dakotas.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:02 PM
guys like raging bull better because it’s a fucking piece of art and donald sutherland can suck a dick, that keifer spawining son of a bitch.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Spencer hating on Gladiator? What the hell is wrong with you, man!??!
January 26th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
Ordinary People which as since been totally forgotten
Ordinary People is a really good movie. It’s not as iconic but it’s dealing with mental illness & suicide so it’s not really much a crowd pleaser as these things go. Not that Raging Bull is exactly big on uplift
January 26th, 2011 at 4:03 PM
I’d like to see Sanders get punched in the face.
Was a huge fan of Primetime up until he signed with the Cowboys.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
/P&V
January 26th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
I turned it on the other day right at that moment and found myself screaming at the TV for him to shoot that fucking kraut.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
id put full metal jacket up there too, even though it’s not a historic account.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
No one remembers Ordinary People. Raging Bull is required viewing fir almost every film student in this country. There was a whole chapter on it in my intro to film book, not one mention of ordinary people
January 26th, 2011 at 4:04 PM
I watched Raging Bull with the expectations that I would be blown away. It was a disappointment for me. That was probably due to my expectations, but it was a disappointment nonetheless.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
Ah, thank you. William Hurt is a great actor and I like most of his stuff, but that movie was crap.
Best war movie for my money is Apocalypse Now.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
guys like raging bull better because it’s a fucking piece of art and donald sutherland can suck a dick, that keifer spawining son of a bitch.
Your just racist towards Canadians.
/Raging Bull was better
January 26th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
i liked that movie the first time when it was called braveheart and the hero wasn’t a selfish asshole bent on revenge.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
*You’re
/damnit
January 26th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
Fuck all of you for hating Ordinary People. You’re all a bunch of fucking losers. Take your Raging Bull VHS tapes and shove it up your collective asses.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
What’s wrnog with spawning Keifer? LOst Boys, Flatliners, Few Good Men, and most importantly the Lost Boys.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
ive said this many times im racist towards diet america.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
Raging Bull gets a lot of continued attention because it’s got some of the best camera work ever and is like an instant primer on method acting, courtesy of Robert DeNiro. I had to watch Ordinary People in film classes, too, though so I’m unconvinced by this idea that it’s forgotten, Corn
January 26th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
This. It was a good movie. I don’t want to see it again. The term “underwhelmed” comes to mind.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
I liked Apocalypse Now, but I liked Saving Private Ryan better. Much more realistic.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:08 PM
I believe the Elephant Man lost to ordinary people as well, which was also much better.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Best war movie for my money is Apocalypse Now.
I don’t really consider Apocalypse Now a war movie. It’s a psychological movie that just happens to take place with a war as the background. Just my opinion though.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Pulp Fiction is my favorite of all time. Love that movie.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:10 PM
Crouching Tiger > Gladiator
January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
I’ve never seen or heard of Ordinary People but I believe there is a crappy John Legend song about Ordinary People. Regardless, the Elephant Man was a fantastic film.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
And I thought I was the only one…so this is what it feels like, when doves cry
January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Fucking moderation…
Best war movie for my money is Apocalypse Now.
I don’t really consider Apocalypse Now a war movie. It’s a psychological movie that just happens to take place with a war as the background. Just my opinion though.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Is it based on a true story? I had a hard time believing they would risk all those lives to pull one guy out.
/not a movie buff
//Band of Brothers tops them all
January 26th, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Maybe in the great white North. Crouching Tiger is very good, but Iron Monkey was much better.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
I love Pulp Fiction. It’s one of my favorite movies of all time. The dialogue is fantastic.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:12 PM
yea, but saving private ryan’s characters were about as dry as saltines.
kernel (/bromes’d) kurtz was fucking incredible.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Realistic to how the war was. Apoc. Now is mostly a fantastical view of Vietnam. Saving Private Ryan captured what WWII was like.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Overboard is the greatest movie ever.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
January 26th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
Maybe in the great white North. Crouching Tiger is very good, but Iron Monkey was much better.
Kung Fu Hustle > both
January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Totally agree.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
The beginning when they stormed the beach was fucking crazy
January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Citizen Kane never win nest picture either, just screen play and it completely revolutionized how movies were made
January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
typical that an oregon fan would like a bunch of old movie cliche’s reborn into the 21st century and bashed into the audience’s face over and over and over again.
/chip kelly = quentin tarantino of CFB
January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
//Band of Brothers tops them all
My best friend first watched this while he was station in IRAQ, when he came home I was working at Wal-Mart and slipped the DVD set in his bag.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
Iron Monkey >>>> Crouching Tiger
January 26th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
With Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
strange wilderness is the greatest movie ever.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Better than Pretty Women and Dirty Dancing?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Incredible. I’d throw Tora Tora Tora into the great movie realm. I’m not as mucha history buff as ms though so I defer to him on this matter.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
It was awesome. I remember being blown away by it in the theater.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:15 PM
does deer hunter count as a war movie?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
It was the 90′s dude.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
eh?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Saving Private Ryan also developed a backlash over the violence, so that hurt it as well
January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Ernest Goes to Jail is the greatest heist movie.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Hamburger Hill.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
i have a hard time believing that our military leaders would risk all those american lives instead of bombing the shit out of the korengal valley and tora bora but…
January 26th, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Is it based on a true story? I had a hard time believing they would risk all those lives to pull one guy out.
Obviously they made the movie more exciting, but there was a soldier with the 101st Airborne who on D-Day last two of his brothers (one was with the 82nd Airborne and one was with the 4th Infantry Division I think) while another was killed in the Pacific earlier in the week. General George Marshall, Army Chief of Staff, authorized a mission to hunt down the surviving brother and send him back stateside. In the movie they make it sound like it was so that a family wouldn’t be destroyed, which was partly the reason, but it was also because the military loved having individuals with compelling stories to bring back stateside to help sell war bonds to the public.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Yes
Yes
January 26th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
How To Lose. Guy Un 10 Days beats them all. And Fools Gold was pretty good as well.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
/john basilone’d
//audie murphy’d
///mitchell paige’d
January 26th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
/jmorris’d?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Incredible. I’d throw Tora Tora Tora into the great movie realm. I’m not as mucha history buff as ms though so I defer to him on this matter.
Tora Tora Tora is fantastic. They get the history almost 100% correct. The only huge problem is the title of the movie. The Japanese signal from its strike planes to the fleet to confirm that they had achieved surprise was ‘To Ra To Ra To Ra’. These were selected because they were easy to key into a wireless, non-voice capable radio like most Japanese planes carried at the time (if they carried a radio at all).
Somewhere down the road, someone saw that and realized that Tora is Japaense for ‘Tiger’ and so that they just must been meaning to say Tiger three times to signal surprise rather than just some simple radio code that, by coincidence looks like the Japanese word for Tiger.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
/john basilone’d
//audie murphy’d
///mitchell paige’d
Exactly.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
I am amazed that /jmorris’d was not applid to the comment Dirt (!!!) just left about polar bears
January 26th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Schindlers List is also great if you want to consider that a war movie
January 26th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
i finished lone survivor.
holy. shit.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
That’s why I defer to ms, good stuff my man.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
on a semi-related note…i think it’s crazy that the most accomplished japanese fighter pilot of all time, hiromichi sinohara, was killed two years before pearl harbor.
US waited too long to get involved…macarthur and patton could’ve killed five times as many fuckers.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
Link?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
It’s in the personals ad that TBL disguised as a post
January 26th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
seriously.
now read rogue warrior by richard marcinko. SEAL in vietnam, was the man responsible for creating the counterterrorist SEAL team as well as red cell, which was a team designed to exploit the US govt’s weaknesses in order to protect against future attacks. he was such a badass with red cell, and embarassed so many military officials, they trumped up charges to have him arrested.
fucking AWESOME book.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Um spencer, I think it’s Seal not SEAL.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
SG…sorry, caps lock and all that.
here’s a corgi in a mailbox as an apology.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
I don’t know which one that would be… the Aikman post?
January 26th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
AHHHH! I just had a cuteness heart attack!
January 26th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
The ESPN in fort worth post
January 26th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
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on a semi-related note…i think it’s crazy that the most accomplished japanese fighter pilot of all time, hiromichi sinohara, was killed two years before pearl harbor.
US waited too long to get involved…macarthur and patton could’ve killed five times as many fuckers.
Saburo Sakai shat on his grave. Until he was shot down and killed in 1945.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
I’m not much of a history buff, but I watched something about King Edward (I think) and how he was a Nazi supporter. That dude was fucking nuts.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
sakai trained kamikaze’s…fuck him.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:48 PM
My memory of Tora Tora Tora was that it bored me to piss, but it’s been a few years.
Repo Man, on the other hand: greatest movie of all time.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
I’m not much of a history buff, but I watched something about King Edward (I think) and how he was a Nazi supporter. That dude was fucking nuts.
Yep, that was Edward VIII. He abdicated in 1936 because he wanted to marry a divorced American named Wallis Simpson. The royal family is still pretty conservative about who its members marry, so you can imagine they were not too thrilled with a divorced American heiress becoming queen.
Edward VIII, after he abdicated he became Duke of Windsor, was a pretty hardcore believer in fascism. But that was actually quite common among some intellectual and social groups in Britain in the 1920s and 30s.
January 26th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
sakai trained kamikaze’s…fuck him.
Onishi was the founder of the Special Attack Force though. He killed himself the day the surrender was announced. As did several other Japanese politicians and officers.