Oversigning: Why the SEC West Is The Best Division in College Football

I oversign players. I accept commitments from the maximum number every year. I cull the roster of underwhelming upperclassmen and cut the weakest incoming freshmen. I’m cynical. I use this strategy to maximize my performance on a Playstation game. SEC coaches do it in real life, to real human beings. It’s cruel. It’s shameful. It’s the dark side to the SEC ascendancy.
SI’s Andy Staples compiled the class sizes for every Division I school over the past five years. Larry Blakeney’s Troy was the most egregious offender, signing an astounding 164 kids over a five year period (enrollment limit per season is 25, total scholarships limit is 85). Blakeney has been praised for his loyalty to Troy, but the way he burns through players may have precluded him from consideration for other jobs.
The real trouble, though, is in the SEC West, which, not coincidentally, is college football’s best division. Embroiled in a veritable arms race for talent, all six schools – Ole Miss, Auburn, Mississippi State, Arkansas, Alabama and LSU – were in the top 12 in class sizes over the past five years. All averaged classes of at least 26.2 kids, while only being allowed to enroll 25. Houston Nutt signed 37 kids for 25 spots in 2009.
Nick Saban’s Alabama has been accused of trumping up injuries for medical redshirts and booting underperforming players for minor offenses. Les Miles’ LSU cut scholarship offers from two players last year (one from a player already enrolled) after more players than expected met academic requirements. Those were the two least egregious offenders in that division.
Oversigning and roster cutting gives a competitive advantage. Teams can make up for recruiting mistakes. They can string kids along in junior college until they can find a place for them. Pundits ridicule the Big Ten for being woefully deficient on the field compared to these schools. The conference’s more abstemious signing practices are a significant factor.
Coverage of oversigning is minimal. Columnists and bloggers notice, but those with teeth won’t use them. Beat writers won’t risk relationships. CBS and ESPN, with lucrative SEC television deals, trump up the conference’s greatness. Gary Danielson and Co. are riding elephants and beating drums at the head of the parade. They don’t want to burden fans with unsavory details.
The NCAA’s function is to regulate abuse in college athletics and to protect the welfare of the student athlete. The organization has consistently shown neither the inclination nor the fortitude to do so in major college football. This injustice could be easily fixed. The NCAA could implement hard rules, with crippling punishments. It could do away with letter of intent altogether and force schools to offer kids scholarships. It probably won’t happen.

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January 25th, 2011 at 1:46 PM
I just read an article about Lane Kiffin doing this.
January 25th, 2011 at 1:48 PM
Stewie, doin work. Although that is more about a loophole that their scholly punishments dont actually take effect while their appeal is being heard. Next year they’ll be fucked.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/24/usc.recruiting/index.html?eref=sihp
January 25th, 2011 at 1:49 PM
If anyone is still criticizing Jay Cutler, I ran across this article that should put an end to that.
http://youcantplayhere.blogspot.com/2011/01/when-lines-get-crossed.html
“A wise man once told me that it’s easy to be tough with somebody else’s body”
January 25th, 2011 at 1:50 PM
Thanks, Coop.
Ahem… http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/01/25/bcs-record-revenue.ap/index.html
January 25th, 2011 at 1:51 PM
Too bad Ole Miss sucks, and Miss St sucked till last year. Bama, Lsu, Arkansas, and LSU carry that division.
January 25th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
Good post, duffy.
January 25th, 2011 at 1:54 PM
Someone doesn’t get it. It doesn’t matter how good the team is. The problem is that these 6 teams give themselves an overwhelming advantage by essentially running a tryout camp every spring.
January 25th, 2011 at 1:55 PM
I didn’t read the posts.
Just saw the headline.
January 25th, 2011 at 1:58 PM
no one reads the posts.
/Bizzaro Duffy’d
The NCAA really needs to step in and put an end to this over-signing crap.
January 25th, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Do any members of the local media cover this and/or bring it up with the coaches in press conference? Or is the risk of biting the hand that feeds too much?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Yes. It’s ridiculous. It does give an advantage as much as SEC homers will deny it.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
Good shit Duffy… As much as I love the football they put out, this is really immoral.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:00 PM
They need to step in with a firm rule about the practice. Odds are if the NCAA does anything it’ll institute a rule with a gaping loop hole
January 25th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
The SEC West is good because Saban, Petrino, Miles and Gus Malzahn are coaches in the league. Oversigning does help, but it’s a small reason, not the main reason.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Like a playoff, I’d like to see this happen, but I don’t believe it ever will.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:02 PM
This could all be easily solved with a playoff.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
OTL did a segment on Chris Garrett, an LSU QB who got the boot.
The subsequent response from Tiger Droppings (LSU message board) is humorous.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:03 PM
And the problem is….?
Joking aside, who has the power to stop this? The NCAA? Clearly not. They’re Oliver asking the BCS and the bowls for some more of that sweet, sweet TV cheddar. Congress? Yeah, you tell me what Alabama or Louisiana Senator is going to start hearings on this and I’ll tell you who will get 100,000 nasty e-mails in less than 24 hours from voting constituents.
The parents are only interested in that NFL pot o’ gold at the end of the 3-4 year college rainbow.
The kids don’t know better and have no power.
The coaches know they live and die with last year’s record.
The presidents ain’t doing shit to limit their money presence.
TV Networks? HA!
What we got here is a system that is truly corrupt, top to bottom, side to side.
But who cares when it’s October and that big game is coming on TV?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Most of these guys are not exactly known for their loyalty.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:05 PM
t/j
Reggie Bush is a fan of CRM or the site in general.
so there’s that.
t/j
Can’t wait for the rise of ACC!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
My college football flame is pretty low until about June at this point. I’ll peek at national signing day and follow the court cases of our degenerates but that’s about it.
Big Ten people, this was slightly interesting though and is on topic.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:06 PM
That’s cool TBL. Was this something he said in person or is there a link floating aroud somewhere?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
Tryouts? Tryouts? Who ever heard of a star player trying out?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:07 PM
I’d say they’re pretty loyal to their bank accounts.
I don’t blame them for that, anyway.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
My question is, why do players sign with a team/coach if they are over the limit? It seems like this should correct itself though for some reason it hasn’t.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
oversigning.com has everyone’s stats on this.
Regardless of the coaching, running what amounts to a spring camp to decide on who to keep is a massive advantage against those that don’t.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Were trying to talk football.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
As much as I love the football they put out, this is really immoral.
Is this an issue in other NCAA sports or just football?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:09 PM
Sorry, Coop.
I meant Big East!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
To be fair, oversigning began back in the day when schools would be concerned with kids not qualifying. So they would sign as many talented kids as they could and hope for the best from the NCAA Clearinghouse. I saw this alot in high school in the New Orleans area in the late ’90s. My own high school sent more than 10 guys to D1 schools between ULM, ULL, La Tech, Miami, and LSU. The list in the Times Picayune in NO on signing day for schools like La Tech would be HUGE. But you knew that many of them would never make it to campus because of grades.
What has made this an issue over the years, is that the big boys did this with smarter kids. And now they are getting TOO lucky with grades on signing day. Hell everyone from LSU’s last recruiting class qualified. Hence “oversigning”.
So some kids get weeded out who aren’t so good/don’t work as hard/whatever. So fucking work harder/make better grades/contribute something and you won’t be the odd man out.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
Jeeves, check Reggie Bush’s twitter
January 25th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
A) The SEC West is good because of the players it recruits in the South, the coaches in the league, etc.
B) I’m ready for somebody to get off their ass and truly assess these classes. Take JUCO into account. Take transfers into account. Take quitting into account. Take agreements made between coaches and players. I think we would find that oversigning is a recent off-season fad for discussion without as much meat and bones as predicted by Big 10 apologists.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
I’ve asked the question before but never really gotten a clear answer. (and I am by no means defending over-signing, more just curious at how the numbers work). at the beginning of this spring semester Arkansas had 5 early enrolee’s, which (and I could be wrong) go onto last years recruiting numbers even though they are technically fall 2011 recruits. therefor that puts Arkansas at +5 on last years recruiting numbers and thus over the limit. can someone with more understanding on the subject clarify how exactly early enrolee’s work?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:11 PM
I bet this happens in the CHL all the time.
/fetch
January 25th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
/shakes head
January 25th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Based on the oversigning principle, I would think it wouldn’t be beneath the “recruiting coordinator” to promise playing time or provide the “you are better than everyone not a senior on our roster” B.S.
Some schools recruit on the up and up. Others use negative tactics and hard core sales pitches on 18 year olds, many of whom would be willing to buy the Brooklyn Bridge with their last $20.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:12 PM
If you commit to a school, other schools usually stop recruiting you. Then signing day rolls around, and that 5* dude that plays your position commits to the same school as you. You can try to decommit and reopen your recruitment, but there are limited options at this point in the game. You are stuck in your current situation, hoping you do not get “released”.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
I bet this happens in the CHL all the time.
Dammit, you knew where I was going on that one.
/waves at Fetch
January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Sweet. Welcome to /Team CRM. Would be pretty awesome if he became a commenter.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
No it is not a “significant factor.” It’s a small factor. Oversigning is a problem and it’s one that needs to be fixed, but stop making it out to be the main reason why the SEC is better than the B1G.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:13 PM
My concern is on the other end. I realize that scholarshpis by nature are a year-by-year contract but I feel like there’s a tacit agreement that as long as you maintain your grades, abide by conduct rules, and practice hard your scholarship will be renewed. That tacit agreement gets thrown out the window though if a team oversigns its incoming class.
/realizes tacit agreement is slight oxymoronic
January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
These situations are often initiated by the coaches in the same way you might be a dick to your girlfriend until she breaks up with you, so you don’t have to do it.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Except that Nick Fairly was one of these oversigned kids who they sent to junior college and then magically made room for him.
He’s no small factor.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Or, certain players are aware from the get-go of their year-by-year contract and agree upfront that they will be evaluated at the end of the year.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:15 PM
I was under the impression it’s up to the school whether they count on last year’s recruiting numbers or the following year’s. Don’t have any source to back that up, sorry.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
You’d think the Big 10 would push harder to stop this. It wouldn’t shock me if they ran the numbers and determined that SEC oversigning weakens conferences like the ACC and ensures 2 Big 10 BCS bids a year.
Ohio State at 19.8 surprised me. I respect their efficiency. I guess if you pay the right guys, it all works out.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Because kids always think they’re good enough.
Ark: If players enroll in Jan, they are counted on the previous class. So if you have 5 early entrants for this Jan, add that number to the class of 2010. Now, you can sign 50 kids in one class if you want to, but you have to make sure that you never have more than 85 scholarships being used at one time.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:16 PM
Fairly, like Cam, was re-recruited after their JC experience.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Who’s got a dictionary?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:17 PM
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To be fair, oversigning began back in the day when schools would be concerned with kids not qualifying. So they would sign as many talented kids as they could and hope for the best from the NCAA Clearinghouse. I saw this alot in high school in the New Orleans area in the late ’90s. My own high school sent more than 10 guys to D1 schools between ULM, ULL, La Tech, Miami, and LSU. The list in the Times Picayune in NO on signing day for schools like La Tech would be HUGE. But you knew that many of them would never make it to campus because of grades.
What has made this an issue over the years, is that the big boys did this with smarter kids. And now they are getting TOO lucky with grades on signing day. Hell everyone from LSU’s last recruiting class qualified. Hence “oversigning”.
So some kids get weeded out who aren’t so good/don’t work as hard/whatever. So fucking work harder/make better grades/contribute something and you won’t be the odd man out.
All of this.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
But who are the kids negatively affected by this? The weakest links? If those kids went to the ACC instead of the SEC, how does the best of the worst improve the ACC? They don’t.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:18 PM
He didn’t qualify. He spent two years at a JUCO not because it was all the master plan of Auburn, but because he was too stupid to get into Auburn (read: REALLY STUPID*). It was luck for he and $cam to each get there at the same time.
*that was for Ritty
January 25th, 2011 at 2:19 PM
That’s been isolated to your ability to offer larger signing bonuses. That was cleared up in November.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:20 PM
This debat will go round and round all day with neither side changing their opinions. SEC people think this practice doesn’t give them much of an advantage. Big10 people think it’s disgraceful.
Can we talk about something else?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
But thats exactly the plan that is being described by the coaches themselves. Sign too many players, put a certain number of kids in JUCO and see how they develop physically, then you make room for them. I’d call that a “master plan.”
January 25th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
I know; I know. I should just leave the post. But I’m bored at work.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
This debat will go round and round all day with neither side changing their opinions.
This your first day on the interwebs? I think that’s how most arguments go, aside from coop’s very compelling point regarding the merits of underboob versus normal cleavage late in the Jamie Edmondson post yesterday. He totally swayed me on that one.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Auburn averaged 26.2 per year over 5 years? And were only allowed to take 25 per year? So, on average that’s roughly 6 players they oversigned? Which doesn’t take into account people leaving the team for family reasons? For failing out? For quitting? And that’s cruel and shameful?
I reiterate, I really wish somebody would actually write the story of oversigning instead of citing blind figures assuming those numbers tell the story.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
thanks Gods, it seems to me like that would skew the numbers a bit as well. that is something that I have noticed has never been explained in any of these articles. along with what ritty said above. everyone (B1G homers) like to pull out the jump to conclusion mats and start yelling ZOMG the SEC is oversigning!!!!!1!!!!!1
that being said, houston nutt is a dirty slimeball who has made it clear that he oversigns and doesn’t mind doing it.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
I’m an SEC person who went to a school that doesn’t oversign. I agree that it needs to be stopped, and I agree that it does offer an advantage, but let’s not kid ourselves and act as though this is some large reason why the SEC has had the run they’ve had. They have better coaches and a MUCH BETTER talent pool. It’s not hard to see why the conference is the best right now.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
They aren’t indentured servants. The kids go there because they choose to go to JUCO, or, more likely, they don’t have the grades to get into said school.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:23 PM
Because kids who go the JUCO route don’t often sign with the same school. In fact, most of the time they don’t sign with the same school.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:24 PM
I’m glad you put an *. I would never have known.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:25 PM
that being said, houston nutt is a dirty slimeball who has made it clear that he oversigns and doesn’t mind doing it.
I think Nutt has said in the past that he usually makes a mostly non-binding agreement to offer oversigned kids a scholarship if they meet eligibility after a few years in junior college. Whether that’s true or not is another story. But I do not find oversigning to be this big moral conundrum. But I guess that’s just me.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
one day the Big Televwelven will figure out that oversigning is necessary to get the most best players.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:26 PM
I feel like every Duffy article has at least one incident of thesaurus abuse.
/Or my vocabulary is just that limited
January 25th, 2011 at 2:27 PM
This.
/team underboob
January 25th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
This is so true. He went to UofM, so he’s better than the rest of us.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:28 PM
th1s.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
Link? Did he factor in sideboob?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:29 PM
sideboob > underboob > cleavage
January 25th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
Yes. It was an underboob vs. sideboob vs. cleavage debate. Great reading.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:30 PM
st. bear gets it.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
The title of this post really does baffle me. How many top notch recruits pan out in any given recruiting year? 15-20? And in every single signing class at every single school, teams are going to make room for that top notch talent. Oversigning affects the fringe, and you’re telling us the fringe is why the SEC West is the best division in college football?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
I have no ill will toward rittyrich but his constant defense reminds me of coop’s Big Ben defending over the summer.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:31 PM
Link? Did he factor in sideboob?
He did. I believed he ranked them Underboob > cleavage > sideboob.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
I’d rather talk about the MAC having 13 players on the two Super Bowl teams, that’s pretty damn impressive…the state of Michigan doing some fine work giving the Packers Cullen Jenkins and Greg Jennings
January 25th, 2011 at 2:32 PM
For now I’m still a cleavage fan, but really I just like boobs and will take any view I can get.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
There was something about how underboob can’t be faked by padded bras (like cleavage can). Then something about how underboob is better than sideboob b/c sideboob is only one boob. Something like that, too lazy to link it. But it was perhaps the best debate ever* on this site.
*hyperbole alert
January 25th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
No doubt. If you are incapable of explaining yourself using common language (don’t confuse with slang or dumbed down language) then chances are you doubt your own intellect/opinion/position.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Weak argument.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:34 PM
Link?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Excellent point. If you can’t support your argument, CONFUSE THEM!
January 25th, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Not only that, word will “get around” that Player X is going to a particular school so others will stop recruiting. It is a dirty, disgusting business. Seen too many kids get lied to so these scumbag coaches can look good.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
Agreed.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
There was something about how underboob can’t be faked by padded bras (like cleavage can)
“Underboob don’t lie”
- Coop
January 25th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
College football needs a draft.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:37 PM
Cleavage > underboob > side boob
January 25th, 2011 at 2:38 PM
I assume you mean of Cam and the SEC West here?
I believe the difference in my case has 100% to do with perception and/or misinformation while Big Ben was actually convicted of something?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
I think I really am going to look at Auburn’s signing class over the last 5 years and see what the deal is.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
Are you joking?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
same here. nobody has shown any correlation between oversigning by 1.2 players per class on average and one year of dominance other than Duffy’s “oh, they’re oversigning and they were the best this year, so there’s clearly(!) a correlation.” the SEC East was dominant within the conference until 2009 when it was even and 2010 when the West took over. Duffy is attributing something that MAY or MAY NOT be a factor to the West’s success…shortsighted and lazy.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Boobs in my face > underboob > sideboob > cleavage
January 25th, 2011 at 2:41 PM
I use some big words. I like words. If I didn’t, why write for a living?
January 25th, 2011 at 2:42 PM
And I was right, he was both innocent and awesome. The Ben bandwagon is so full right now people cant even squeeze on, I got a nice comfy window seat because I wasnt stupid enough to get off.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
This right here.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
I didn’t mean it as a slight toward you. I’m just saying in general people are railing against someone(or some school) and even though nothing concrete has been proven it feels like you are batting back a tidal wave of criticism. Big Ben was never convicted of anything either, but we all assume he splooged all over/in that girl and when coop tried to present the no concrete evidence argument he was lambasted by other memebers of the commentariat.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
I think the point of writing is not the physical act of putting words down, but rather to get your point across.
Otherwise you’d just be writing a dictionary/thesarus.
Interesting post, btw.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Excellent answer. That’s why I write too.
/I’m not trying to get noticed
January 25th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
The teams that should be really pissed about oversigning aren’t B1G teams, but fellow SEC teams such as UGA and UF. Bama/Aub/Ark/LSU aren’t stealing recruits from Michigan and Ohio State; they’re stealing them from other schools in the area.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:49 PM
The teams that should be really pissed about oversigning aren’t B1G teams, but fellow SEC teams such as UGA and UF. Bama/Aub/Ark/LSU aren’t stealing recruits from Michigan and Ohio State; they’re stealing them from other schools in the area.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Boobs in my face > underboob > sideboob > cleavage
Winner.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
I see. It’s in my nature to be defensive. Though here I feel I am on the offensive. Duffy said the reason my school is good is because of oversigning. He also implied oversigning is bad. The next step in this spurious argument is that Auburn is bad. Or as duffy said, cruel and shameful. I disagree.
January 25th, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Like I said, some people use big words as a crutch. Use precise words. Use accurate words. Use common words to your advantage. Big words accomplish none of these things. In my opinion anyway.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 PM
You are allowed a max of 25 per year. But 25 for each year gives you 100 players on schollie… But, you’re only allowed 85. Some guys may leave early to NFL, flunk out, or transfer. You’ll also have some 5th year guys that stay which will keep them for a 5th.
So, at 25 per year, you are 15 over the limit each year. That’s akin to tryouts. I can understand being a few guys over the limit due to guys leaving or transferring, but 15? C’mon. You seriously don’t see it as an advantage? Really?
January 25th, 2011 at 3:06 PM
There is no answer for that. You’ve just summed up every big10 person’s opinion.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:09 PM
This isn’t correct. It may come later but I’ll comment on it when I get more time.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:10 PM
It isn’t a Big 10 opinion. It doesn’t happen across the board in college football. It happens at a very select number of schools that allow it to take place. And it is just plain wrong to the kids, let alone wrong at the institutional level.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
That makes no sense. How could I be using big words as a “crutch” if they are antithetical to communicating clearly?
January 25th, 2011 at 3:12 PM
Love to see the math that comes with it. Because I sure don’t. And numbers are my living. I’m just confused as how there is a reasonable argument here other than schools have decided to screw kids out of a schollie.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:13 PM
OSU recruits Georgia/Florida pretty effectively (11 players on scholarship).
January 25th, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Also, I don’t understand where the point of disagreement is? My claims.
SEC West teams are clearly oversigning players.
That clearly provides teams an advantage in addition to be kind of an asshole thing to do. It’s not the sole reason SEC West teams are awesome, but it’s certainly a significant factor.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:16 PM
lol
January 25th, 2011 at 3:17 PM
does not compute.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
amen, duffy.
i have no idea how someone could claim you don’t get an advantage from oversigning.
/glares at ark
January 25th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
to be clear, I’ve never really been on the argument that it isn’t an advantage because it is, to a point. my argument is that I think there is more to the numbers than what is given in the articles that are used as a point of reference.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:25 PM
I said “some people” unfairly. I believe you are a very good writer. In my opinion, very good writers should not or do not need to use “big words.” Some people who do use big words, use them as a crutch because they do not have the capacity to explain themselves clearly. They rely on the word itself instead of the expression or idea or opinion being conveyed. For this reason, I avoid big words when writing.
As for your point about communicating clearly, consider your audience. A doctor doesn’t use technical terms when speaking to his patients because they don’t understand him just as a columnist shouldn’t use unfamiliar words to describe an opinion about the SEC West less he be confused for an esoteric.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
I’m not real sure how your math is working here, but you seem to be leaving off players graduating and/or using up their eligibility every year.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Thanks, beat me to it.
Title: Everybody Panic! Story at 9 from Your News Channel 11.
Story: Actually, there is no reason to panic.
Salutation: Thanks for watching.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Not to mention quitting, getting injured, etc.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
how many kids have you seen just up and quit D-1a football? i can think of maybe five or six in the past decade for OSU. that’s just unrealistic.
and that many kids getting catastrophically hurt before the season? come on.
it’s ok to admit yall do some shady shit to compete.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Genuinely curious, has anyone gotten Miles or Saban or Nutt on the record about this? I didn’t see it in any of the linked articles? No one has the balls to ask?
January 25th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
I believe you mean run off by the coach or declare injured, both of which are likely to coincide with the player not being very good.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
I’m genuinely interested in this and I’m going to build a narrative as far as Auburn goes. I’ll see how it turns out.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
someone asked nutt after he signed 37 kids…nutt just laughed it off like a big joke.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
damn, because according to mark may he is the “right reverend.”
/crock of shit
January 25th, 2011 at 3:41 PM
We joke around about the media climate from DC to Boston, and it certainly has its many faults. But at least that shit would not happen.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
according to mark may, penis is supposed to go in his butt.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Here is the difference Duffy. In all honesty, did the word “abstemious” come to you in the natural flow of words, or did you stop to think about it or look it up. That’s what makes ‘big words’ unnecessary. In scientific writing, we are always taught to use the smallest and fewest words necessary to make the point. You may disagree, but I think that sports writing is similar, especially in an a medium which is not prose, but rather conveying an data-based opinion.
/also thinks that the word doesn’t fully convey the meaning of what you are trying to say
January 25th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
Sideboob became an immediate issue in this year’s recruiting as soon as Charlie Weis entered the conference.
No one wants his sideboob. It makes us sad.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:52 PM
We joke around about the media climate from DC to Boston, and it certainly has its many faults. But at least that shit would not happen.
January 25th, 2011 at 3:55 PM
it wouldn’t?
/looks at sawx and yanks payrolls
//looks at the rest of MLB’s
January 25th, 2011 at 4:00 PM
Duffy uses some big words when he doesn’t need to. I kinda’ like that. Once in a while I might learn something from it. I do think the audience here is well-educated and well-read (in general).
Oversigning is a factor…but I don’t think you’ve done any work in showing whether it’s significant or not.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:05 PM
how the fuck could it NOT be significant? seriously?
arkansas had THIRTY more players to choose from than ohio state did (use them because they matched up in the sugar bowl). that’s six extra recruits per year they got to pick from and discarded the others.
you don’t need to show your sources for common knowledge.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:14 PM
I was speaking more on Auburn’s numbers, not Arkansas’. But your point is well-taken.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Faulkner and Hemingway had a fairly bitter back-n-forth on the relative merits of half-dollar words over their less pricey fellows. I’ll let you all guess who stood where.
/OK, it was Faulkner who dug ‘em
//And Faulker > Hemingway
///At least with writing
January 25th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
oh, auburn just takes retards who couldn’t qualify for big boy college. nothing shady about that.
January 25th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
So what’s the advantage of taking retards if they won’t be able to play?
January 25th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
what’s “won’t be able to play?”
/points at CHEATING retard, terrelle pryor
//seriously, that guy couldn’t be dumber
///damn good tho
January 25th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
Point taken. But what about Junebug Harrison from Rainbow City, Alabama, who you’ve never heard of, who signed a LOI at Auburn but changed his mind to be a rapper, which really means he got a 480 on his SAT and couldn’t get in?
/ Junebug isn’t real of course, but he is always my go-to WR on Year 3 of my NCAA football dynasties.