Texas A&M to the SEC? How the Big 12 Could Dissolve, Quickly.
With the departures of Colorado and Nebraska, the Big 12 has fallen to ten teams. The conference has no natural replacements, it is a hodgepodge with little historical currency. For some schools the prospect of being a Texas supplicant could become significantly less attractive. Flimsy strings hold the Big 12 together and an offer too good for one team could set the dominoes tumbling.
Texas A&M was a rumored target for the SEC last summer. The rumor has flared up again. Pretend that happens. The SEC then would need at least a 14th and potentially a 15th and 16th team to complete that deal. Looking for natural targets, the big Florida schools, Georgia Tech or Clemson, could be tough politically. Raiding the Big 12 for further targets would be more palatable.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would make sense geographically, financially and competitively. They could easily pry away one more team, say Missouri, which would have leapt for the Big Ten if offered, to provide the 16th team. Sweetened with improved TV contracts, that would make an even more fearsome, geographically congruent conference that would look like this.
SEC West: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri
SEC East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
That would leave the “Big 12” with Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas State, Kansas and Iowa State.
Texas fulfills its destiny under this scenario and becomes an independent, a tangibly powerful Notre Dame. They have a strong recruiting base. They have the Longhorn Network deal in addition to the a national TV deal to televise all of their games. They will go to a BCS bowl in most years, and pocket all of the revenue. A&M, Oklahoma and other rivals would likely still play them for the money. Guessing annual showdowns with ND and BYU or the service academies might spark some national interest.
The Big East possibly jumps for Kansas in this scenario. It makes about as much sense as TCU, it is not a terrible option for football and a great basketball move.
That would leave Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas State, and Iowa State. Four teams that could slide into a 16-team Mountain West Conference. The BCS gives that conference an automatic bid, thus embracing every team beating down the door from outside and pacifying the Big 12′s discarded children. It will be a while before another Boise State emerges from the MAC, the Sun Belt or Conference USA.
The Big Ten and Pac 12 consider expansion under this scenario but decide against it. The Big Ten has a title game. Further expansion doesn’t make sense unless it involves Notre Dame. They could easily gut the Big East, but that would be expansion for expansion’s sake. It divides revenue without enhancing the product. Ditto for the Pac 12.
This may be crazy, but it’s not as crazy as the Big Ten or Pac 12 mortgaging their respective histories for a purely financial interaction with Texas, which was a serious discussion.
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January 24th, 2011 at 4:18 PM
texas, come to the big ten…we’ll let you have your own “horns” division and give you indiana as the only other member.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Is orangebloods reporting this, or is this legit?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
I have to wonder if we’ll see the Big East Basketball schools break free and the remaining football schools pick up what’s left of the Big 12.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
I believe he is hearing this from a source.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
Would this make the Big 12 collapse or get them off their asses to go replace the teams they’ve lost/are losing? There are quite a few teams that could be brought into the Big 12 fold to keep it on par with the Big East. SMU springs to mind. Add Texas State and UTSA, maybe? I mcould be pretty far off but it’s happened before (see: Big East after the ACC defections)
January 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
Think it dilutes the product a bit.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Something like this would have to happen. They couldn’t have a 20 team basketball conference. That’s just ridiculous.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
texas, come to the big ten…we’ll let you run that I-form power, run ricky run, offense you’ve been dying to run again the past decade.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
Legends, Leaders, Longhorns
January 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
texas, come to the big ten…we can make each other richer than we ever imagined.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Does aTm benefit from ditching Texas? Or is it a better deal to ride on Texas’s coattails?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
texas, come to the big ten…we’ll kick nebraska out for you.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Another option would be A&M jumps to the SEC and then the Big 12 cannibalizes the MWC which would conveniently end the thorn in the side for the BCS, at least for a few years.
Presumably the SEC does this deal to get a foothold into the Texas (and A&M’s nationwide) audience? Are the Aggies still popular enough to further divide profits with their addition?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Can’t see any of that happening. I think you’d see Air Force and Boise St rumored before those guys, and even that’s a stretch.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Who would come with em?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
texas, come to the big ten…we can make each other richer than we ever imagined.
Texas has made it pretty clear its not interested in sharing.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
texas, come to the big ten…we got rotel and velveeta.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:25 PM
Can’t see any of that happening. I think you’d see Air Force and Boise St rumored before those guys, and even that’s a stretch.
Why is that? I was under the impression, seriously, that the bottom feeers of the Big 12 are just operating at UTA’s mercy, anyway, so what’s the hang up? Maybe even just dial it back to an 8-team conference and re-christen it the SWCII
January 24th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
bottom-feeers = bottom-feeders
January 24th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Texas… come to the big ten…. ND will HAVE to follow you then.
/secretly wishes for this.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
You can’t have a SWC without aTm and Texas.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
Texas, come to the big east…we got…ummmm…basketball
January 24th, 2011 at 4:27 PM
This will never happen.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
I think I would enjoy Texas joining the “We are New York’s college team!” argument.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
texas, come to the big ten…where math is whatever the fuck we say it is.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Why does Texas agree to do that though? They could get a better schedule and vastly more money as an independent.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
True dat.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
And that argument has gotten to this point for The Cuse.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
Of course it won’t. But if Texas did go to the Big 10, ND would pretty much have to follow. They’d be stupid not to.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
After making the Longhorn Network, I kinda hope Texas just goes independent. It would be interesting to see if a relevant independent. Plus there would be tons of entertaining chaos following their departure as the remains of the BigXII try to find a landing spot
January 24th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Texas, come to the Big Ten…. we got cocaine, marijuana, pamoate, diazepam, hydromorphone hydrochloride and zolpidem tartrate.
/DJK’d
January 24th, 2011 at 4:30 PM
Texas is an independent now, an independent that tells a conference wants to do. And as of now one with a rather terrible football team.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
I think independence for Texas is the most likely scenario if they can find a home for all of their other sports teams. Where would they go?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
How would a 16-team conference schedule work? Play the other 7 in the division, plus 1 or 2 in the other division? Or not play everyone in your own division?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
If this happened, there would be exploding minds all over the place.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
But a disgustingly good recruiting class coming in.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
that’d be sweet and still not as good a conference as the SEC.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Supper or dinner? I say dinner..there’s a dinner menu at a restaurant. I have people that are arguing that its supper
January 24th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
This. Teams would probably play a 9-game conference schedule a la the Pac 12.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
They could get a better schedule and vastly more money as an independent.
This is what I’m asking. If they get a disproportionate amount of $$$ from the conference TV deal (don’t they? I have that idea in my head for some reason) + money for their own separate deal, isn’t that about as good as you can hope for? As an independent don’t they have to pay out for opponents?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
But a disgustingly good recruiting class coming in.
Well of course. Best not to ponder that, and pretend that Texas is magically bad forever. It’s fun to do. Try it.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:32 PM
texas, come to the big ten…where every year iowa fans say “this is the year!”
January 24th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Blasphemy. As a big10 fan you have to support all big10 teams and the conference no matter what.
/retarded
January 24th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Of course there would be. It would be one of the more wonderful things ever.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Not next season. Pretty resigned to the fact we’re aiming for .500
January 24th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Supper or dinner?
Supper is only for Sundays. I don’t think that’s really true but I read it on some food blog last week. So I’m going with it
January 24th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Alright, you got me. I’m in.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Is orangebloods reporting this, or is this legit?
That depends, is “we” a source?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Independent Texas would have
Longhorn Network Deal
NBC/ND type deal to nationally televise their football
Would get to keep all bowl revenue – unlike ND they would fairly consistently make BCS bowl games
HUGE PROFITS
January 24th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
I guess A&M enjoyed their Cotton Bowl beatdown so much, they’re coming back for more.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Supper or dinner? I say dinner..there’s a dinner menu at a restaurant. I have people that are arguing that its supper
I’d tell you to kill them, but I presume you’ve already done that.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
Oh, school for school… no. But just from a NAMES and money point of view, it’d be awesome. 3 of the most winning programs in cfb in a conference with OSU? I think i may need to go and broker a deal.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
When the WAC had 16 teams they played in four-team pods and the top 2 teams (no divisions) played for the title.
In my fantasy land I would love for 4-team divisions with a 4-team playoff to decide the conference championship. Never gonna happen.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
Can they have both? Isn’t the Longhorn Network banking on football games?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
That would be phenomenal to watch today
January 24th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
that’d give the b10 the 5 winningest programs in CFB history (OSU’s #5).
texas, come to the big ten…where that would happen.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
Oh really? WhO IS 4?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
Arkansas has given them a smackdown in Jerrah world the last two years as well. fuck aTm
January 24th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
nebraska.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
There’s a reason why their logo is the acronym for ass to mouth.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
Yeah, Texas. Get on your shit. Move to the Big 10. Force ND’s hand.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
My source in the SEC Office…who has been golden with every thing he’s ever told me says…no chance. Texas A&M would LOVE for this to happen. The SEC has little to no interest in bringing A&M…or anybody along.
The only 2 schools that the SEC even remotely seriously considered expanding for West Virginia & Georgia Tech.
In other words, just because Kirk Bohls is speculating that Texas A&M would like to join the SEC in no way, shape, or form means this rumor is flaring up again.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
What would be the benefit of West Virginia?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Lisk – You’re a FLAMES fan? WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
spence i cut and pasted for ya
/been cleaning up poop for an hour
January 24th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
Moonshine?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
GT makes sense I guess, but WV?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
meth and lots of it.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Lisk – You’re a FLAMES fan? WHAT THE FUCK DUDE?
Well, judging from his other team affiliations he likes teams that rarely win.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Independent Texas would have
Longhorn Network Deal
NBC/ND type deal to nationally televise their football
Would get to keep all bowl revenue – unlike ND they would fairly consistently make BCS bowl games
HUGE PROFITS
No doubt. The Big TX is dead. I have no problem with KU joining the Big East. 1. It isn’t 1985 anymore. KU can get to any of these schools in four hours. 2. That’d be more awesome hoops games. 3. Our football team might be able to compete. 4. Fuck Texas. Nebraska did the right thing by bailing.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
lol. Good for Lisk not being a Blues fan.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
that’s how you separate true fans from the chaff. if they’re a fan of a perennial loser, they’re in it for the long haul.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:53 PM
That’s about all they add. Horrible academics, ok in basketball and football. I think statement above shows that this “source” doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Has been described to me multiple times as “fitting the profile.”
January 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
That 3 paragraph rumor was full of “I’m guessing” and “I think.”
The massive changes over the past year need to be implemented before any more major changes would take place. Still a lot of unknowns about the new layout need to be worked out first.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
/nods to ndub, jhs, and all the other lions fans
January 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
that’s how you separate true fans from the chaff. if they’re a fan of a perennial loser, they’re in it for the long haul.
/looks at his own team affiliations
//white’s out everything before 1991
///agrees
January 24th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
And you would be wrong. My source most certainly is privy to every discussion re: SEC expansion.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
I’m sure he is. But WV baffles me.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
sc, if yer on here, matt bowen will be on with your favorites B&B in a few minutes
January 24th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Burned couches?
January 24th, 2011 at 4:57 PM
not this shit again. why in the hell would aggie want to go to a tougher conference when they cant compete in the one they are in? this is a stupid ass rumor started by some bored aggie that gets pissed everytime texas in in the news (recent tv deal).
texas would rather give back its national titles than go to the big 10
January 24th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
texas, come to the big ten… we have a plethora of Brutus dolls for you to hump
January 24th, 2011 at 4:58 PM
Flames, Chiefs, Royals and Mizzou. The last time any one of those won something was the Flames when I was 5. The most recent success? Also the Flames when they lost to a team located where the beaches are plenty.
I’m just confused. I mean… Calgary? How? Unless he just loves Lanny Mcdonald’s mustache.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
After watching the East-West Shrine Game the other day, I can say that Jerrod Johnson is a fucking awful quarterback and A&M should be better simply by virtue of him not being on the roster.
January 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Yeah, Texas ain’t ever going to the Big 10. They have the Big TX to themselves. It is going to take a school with balls like Nebraska (and hopefully KU), to tell Texas to fuck off.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
My source in the SEC Office…who has been golden with every thing he’s ever told me says…no chance. Texas A&M would LOVE for this to happen. The SEC has little to no interest in bringing A&M…or anybody along
THANK YOU!! the sec has zero need for aggie. none. i cant believe we are giving an ounce of thought to this shit again
January 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
January 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
LISTEN TO THIS MAN, TEXAS.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
Money. Plain and simple.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:01 PM
Except that time when they asked to join and were told that they couldn’t come in because the Big Ten had just taken PSU and were on a five year expansion freeze?
January 24th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Also, keep in mind that even if GT and WVU are the 2 so-called targets…there really wasn’t much seriousness even there. The SEC’s mindset is this: would adding 2-4 teams really increase the value of our already astronomical TV contract? And if so, would it add enough value where the 12 existing members would stand to get even more money?
The SEC’s mindset on this subject is that —in the 2010-11 landscape adding teams would actually mean a loss in revenues for the existing 12 schools.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:04 PM
What would be the benefit of West Virginia?
West Virginia has a large ‘natural’ recruiting base and TV market. Geographically it extends the SEC farther north, theoretically opens up some territory in VA, DC & PA. It ‘fits the profile’ as a large public university with a relatively large endowment
January 24th, 2011 at 5:04 PM
How about ND and Texas form their own super conference, it can be called the “Double Douche” and then can BEVO can hump that little irish ginger that runs around on gamedays. ND would only have 1 conference game so they could schedule all the service academies and directional schools possible…
January 24th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
What you know about drinkin from a jar?
/Makes plans to do more jar drinkin
January 24th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
Wouldn’t Virginia do all of this? Plus, it’s actually a schoold with good academics.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
We could even name it the Ty_Webb 1.0 conference. Because we know it takes some big time kind of douche to root for the Lakers and we need this conference appropriately named.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
Virginia? I don’t think they’ve ever been a serious target for any conference expansion and I’m pretty sure they aren’t going out looking unprompted. They are ACC to the core. I’m not sure why you think WVU is so horrible academically that they wouldn’t be included in the SEC.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:09 PM
im pretty sure bevo’s a steer and wouldn’t be humping much of anything, if we’re being accurate.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
in all seriousness…why doesn’t OSU, USC, ND, texas, oklahoma, nebraska, PSU, FSU, oregon and miami team up and form their own conference instead of being saddled with crap in their respective conferences? SEC vs. godzilla 10.
/been beating this drum for awhile
January 24th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
We could even name it the
Ty_Webb 1.0J-E-T-S conference. Because we know it takes some big time kind of douche to root for theLakersCharlie Weis, Fireman Ed and Braylon Edwards and we need this conference appropriately named./Dougies
January 24th, 2011 at 5:12 PM
I’m not sure why you think WVU is so horrible academically that they wouldn’t be included in the SEC.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
im pretty sure bevo’s a steer and wouldn’t be humping much of anything, if we’re being accurate.
you know way too much about cattle….
January 24th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
Because valiant 7-5 teams are not as good as mediocre 13-0 teams. And college football doesn’t exist to entertain people like me and you Spence.
/came at the idea and name of Godzilla 10
January 24th, 2011 at 5:15 PM
aggie leaving b/c of money is the easy answer. they may need someone to pay them first, and the sec couldnt give 2 shits about them.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:16 PM
I need to make plans to see more of those titties
January 24th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
Or have them all go independent like the good ol days.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
im pretty sure bevo’s a steer and wouldn’t be humping much of anything, if we’re being accurate.
They keep Bevo so sedated, I don’t know that he’s been able to get a ‘longhorn’ in years, if you follow.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
And he probably was castrated, like you mentioned spencer. So there’s that too.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:22 PM
I was thinking the same thing as the earlier post regarding Texas going Independent – who do all their other sporting teams – softball, baseball, basketball, swimming, tennis, etc… – play? The Big-12 teams seemingly wouldn’t schedule them in non revenue sports out of spite.
ND never left a conference so they have no bridges burned so I’d guess they can schedule stuff easier.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:24 PM
Easy. More money in the academics involved with major conferences than the sports. Travel expenses for a conference like that would be insane. It would piss off the rich alums who donate millions of dollars. Basically, your idea is terrible and has no merit.
January 24th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
buncha Jackie Sharril’s in here
January 24th, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Spencer- careful what you wish for. tOSU has played the Horns 3 times- how’d that work out for ya? Nebraska already tucked tail and ran away from the Horns
Aggy is Johnny Drama- “Look at me! I’m important! I’m relevant! Respect me!” In reality you just live in your famous brother’s spare bedroom mooching off of him
January 24th, 2011 at 8:11 PM
GT makes less sense than WV. SEC already owns Atlanta. UNC made sense but i doubt they’d leave the ACC, plus they’d insist on bringing Duke along. No need for another Vandy in the conference.