The NFL’s Rookie Wage Scale Proposal Is Ridiculous, Could Open Door For Rival League
I am not opposed to the idea of a rookie wage scale for the NFL . . . in theory. I like the idea that we could reduce holdouts, and if it was accompanied by some sort of incentivization (such as bonuses for performance) and reduced number of years on rookie contracts, could allow players to hit the market at a time they would be entering their prime and cash in after they had proven something.
What I am opposed to, though, is the rhetoric and misinformation and unsupported statements coming from the NFL and members of the large media sources regarding this issue. I know that athletes and sports owners make a lot more money than any of us could ever fathom, and that makes this issue an easy one for public relations reasons. Joe Common Fan doesn’t want to hear about how much an athlete makes. Millions of Joe Common Fans also watch games and see the advertising. The networks sign huge contracts, and the owners and players get large amounts of money because of our interest. I suppose if the money they make bothers you, then you could stop watching, because you are a contributor.
I was unaware of the specifics of the league’s proposal until I read this editorial from last month in the Washington Post, written by Packers President Mark Murphy. As it contains many of the talking points that have been stated, I’ll go through it.
According to Murphy, “[t]he system is so bad that some teams no longer want picks in the top part of the first round of the NFL draft. The cost is too high, especially if a player taken that early turns out to be a bust.” You will find this unsupported statement often. It might surprise you then, that no team has ever a) refused to take a pick, which is its right; or b) traded down for a later pick straight up, which would happen if teams didn’t value these picks. Sure, players that are busts are going to provide negative value, and this is true whether they are rookies or veterans. The question is whether picks, on average, accounting for the busts and the stars, are valuable or not at the current salaries.
You could listen to the NFL, or you could observe behavior. The Rams did not trade out of the first spot, and the Lions did not trade out of the second spot last year though they could have done so and gotten multiple picks in return. I’m from Missouri, so I prefer to be shown. And the actions and words don’t match up.
From Murphy: “No other business operates this way, and no other union gives its entry-level hires such privileges.”
In how many professions is the best at a given craft likely to be under the age of 27? Many of the best players at a position would be playing under the initial five year deal. When Cade Massey and Richard Thaler published their study “Overconfidence versus Market Efficiency in the National Football League,” they determined that the picks in the early 2nd round were the most valuable from a cost/benefit perspective. However, they did not determine that the early first round picks were overpaid. In fact, those picks still had surplus value, meaning they provided more production for the cost compared to what you would get on the veteran free agent market.
I could cite that study or do a more involved analysis showing you point by point comparisons, or I could just send you to this article written by Ross Tucker less than a year ago. As evidence to how ridiculously overpriced rookie contracts are, he points out that Ndamukong Suh is getting similar guaranteed money as an established star veteran like Albert Haynesworth. Suh. Haynesworth. Awesome.
Murphy lays out the specifics of the league’s proposal about what the top pick would get. It adds up to a little less than 16 million total (only about 5 million guaranteed), and that is for the top pick. That is about an 80% discount over a number -that is already less than fair market value, and with a condition that there are no renegotiations until after year 3 for first round picks. How do I know it’s less than fair market value? Well, let’s compare it to the Jim Harbaugh situation, where there was no draft and teams were free to pursue him in a free market situation. There, the presence of multiple owners drove up the price. The draft is already a restraint on salary and the free market because it limits bidders, and now they want an 80% discount off that?
Mark my words. If the NFL goes through with this or anything close to this discounted with rookie wage scales, and not only gets this severe cap but also doesn’t budge on years of the contract, you will see ripe conditions for a competitor league to rise up and challenge the NFL. We saw it with the All-America Football Conference and the American Football League, when they were able to challenge the NFL and compete for college talent.
The difference will be that the NFL will have a hard cap that won’t be difficult for a competitor to beat. The competitor won’t have to engage in a bidding war that reduces all profits, because the young talent will be so underpaid. If the NFL goes through with this, they could get destroyed in new player development if another league came along and paid more. The free market will find a way, and the NFL would be wise not to think its self invulnerable in that respect by lowering young player salaries too far.
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January 6th, 2011 at 6:46 PM
Very well done. The only thing I see stopping it is lack of an established channel to put the rival league. Maybe the turner networks?
January 6th, 2011 at 6:49 PM
The Hartford Colonials — catch the … colonization?
January 6th, 2011 at 6:50 PM
I am hearing Andrew Luck in 2012 to the TFL (Turner Football League).
January 6th, 2011 at 6:51 PM
Nice post Lisk, wish this was posted mid-day.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison but the NHL has shown that a rookie scale, when exchanged for earlier unrestricted free agency, can work under a hard salary cap.
January 6th, 2011 at 6:53 PM
Agreed, I’ve been on the rookie cap bandwagon for awhile but this was a good counterpoint
January 6th, 2011 at 6:54 PM
Bravo. Great work Lisk. It’s been my opinion for some time that hubris on the part of the NFL would be its undoing. You do a great job of explaining just how that might happen.
January 6th, 2011 at 6:56 PM
Great post Lisk. Thanks for shedding more light on an issue to which I was not very aware of more specific numbers.
No way I would be excited about being a quarterback under contract for 6 years at a relatively low price. Say you are a stud QB– you still likely get around 5 or 6 years during your prime at a high earning rate after the initial 6 year rookie contract.
January 6th, 2011 at 6:56 PM
I thought most people preferred veterans getting more money while rookies less. No?
January 6th, 2011 at 6:56 PM
Nice article…
Joe Common Fan cousin of Joe the Plumber?
/Palin’d
January 6th, 2011 at 6:57 PM
Ahem. I believe the Vikings did this twice.
January 6th, 2011 at 6:58 PM
I love Lisk’s work and almost always agree, but I’ve always been a proponent of caps on rookie salaries. I understand the argument that the NFL is a billion dollar industry and players are going to make a bunch of money by nature, but rookies seem to take an absurdly large amount of the pie considering how unproven they are.
You brought up Sam Bradford, but what about the sad sack of shit JaMarcus Russell being able to hold out for more money before even playing a single NFL snap? I know it’s a different sport/structure, but it works in the NBA.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
But are the new terms more favourable for the ownres or playres?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:00 PM
Tim Tebow piece on espn right now!!!!!!
January 6th, 2011 at 7:01 PM
The Bryant McKinnie pick was one right? They were late to the podium I seem to recall…
January 6th, 2011 at 7:01 PM
You really think the vets would end up getting more money?
I don’t.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:02 PM
And why would this surprise anyone? If you have a valuable top 5 pick, but don’t want to spend the money on someone in that range, it makes total sense to trade down for multiple picks. The top 5 pick still has value, so why trade it straight up for a lesser pick?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:02 PM
anyone watching this tebow thing?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:02 PM
I’m definitely pro rookie-cap, BUT this seems a bit too low to start at.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:02 PM
OT
Johnny Weir comes out.
/OT
January 6th, 2011 at 7:03 PM
If the Raiders are stupid enough to draft Russell based on one game, then overpay him, then fire a coach that said he was shitty, then cut Russell, how is that anyone’s fault other than the Raiders? If you need to be protected from yourself, you need to be in a different business.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:04 PM
Wish I was, that would mean I was at home and not work. Although, I would still probably be playing some Black Ops over watching mid-day espn. Just can’t seem to put that game down.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:04 PM
If there’s more money to be shared, why not?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:04 PM
So is Tebow ESPN’s new Favre?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:04 PM
they could get destroyed in new player development if another league came along and paid more
I have a great idea for a new league…XFL. It will be awesome. Cool names on jerseys, no fair catches on punts…oh, wait.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
Fuck the proposal if a Packer exec came up with it.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
tebow’s a genuine dude. espn’s going over the top with production saturation tho.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
They have OG Al Davis to thank for that one. Wish I could remember who called him that the other day and tried to say the Raiders were ok. Maybe irish?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:06 PM
i am
January 6th, 2011 at 7:06 PM
IIRC they did it in back to back years. I believe it was when Tice was the coach.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:06 PM
this robby tebow character intrigues me
January 6th, 2011 at 7:07 PM
Clown,
Tough question to answer. Assuming a team spends at or near the hard cap every year it’s more of a reallocation of salary cap dollars from (unproven) rookies to veterans
I admit applying one leagues CBA to another is difficult to do.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:08 PM
Agreed Spence. I’m a bona fide rooter of Tebow, but nobody does overkill like ESPN.
/Still gonna watch
January 6th, 2011 at 7:08 PM
Anyone with a pulse knew he was into Greek.
/archer’d
January 6th, 2011 at 7:09 PM
All I’m saying is a rookie shouldn’t have that much power in the first place. I know Russell is an extreme example, but why not have a pay scale based on each pick (and it can/would still be a good amount of change for the high picks) and wherever you get drafted, that’s what you make? I get sick of a couple rookies every year deciding “I want to get paid 10 percent more than guy drafted in this slot last year, and I’m not playing a minute til that happens.”
January 6th, 2011 at 7:09 PM
If you need to be protected from yourself, you need to be in a different business.
This. If anything the current structure gives you incentive to do your homework.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:09 PM
10 minutes in and i have a hetero mancrush on tebow.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:12 PM
The whole point of the new CBA is to lower owner costs…i.e. keeping player salaries in check. I seriously doubt any reduction to the amount of money paid to rookies is going to appear in the checks of the veterans.
As it is, the average career length in the NFL is what, less than 5 years? So this proposal would have the effect of locking in salary on a majority of the players in the league for their entire career. Not cool at all.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:13 PM
that was an awesome scene with the mcshay shit.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:14 PM
Well if they succeed they will get paid when their rook deal is up.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:15 PM
The NFL > The Illuminati > The Bilderbergs > Trilateral Commission > Council of Foreign Relations > UN
In conclusion, there will never be a league that competes with the NFL.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:16 PM
That FRS commercial was badass
January 6th, 2011 at 7:16 PM
oh yeah
January 6th, 2011 at 7:17 PM
I forgot one other group that is not more powerful than the NFL but I wont mention it here.
/Adolph Hankler’d
January 6th, 2011 at 7:18 PM
I side with the players more than ownership in general, but the owners aren’t at fault for career lengths. If anything, I think it makes it more defensible for them NOT to hand a ton of money out to rookies. Reward players who succeed through a 5/6 year contract with a bigger contract.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:18 PM
Forgot I could stream espn over the net, well hello Tebow. And yes, time to buy stock in FRS
January 6th, 2011 at 7:19 PM
please don’t fuck up like tiger, tebow…that’d be soul crushing.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:19 PM
Highly-drafted rookies should be able to get good contracts, I just think it’s getting out of hand how many of them come into the league and are the highest paid ever at their position before playing a single down.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:20 PM
Watching a 30 minute special on Tebow will make you a better person for it.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:21 PM
just make it a percentage of the cap
January 6th, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Getting punched in the gut while doing crunches and swinging sledgehammers at tires does NOT look fun, but I’m sure it gets results.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:24 PM
Josh McDaniels to meet with Vikings.
Weeze, Hawkeye, Fetch – what do you think?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:25 PM
Rut Roh
January 6th, 2011 at 7:25 PM
Offensive Coordinator?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:25 PM
i fucking hate espn.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Jason, usually like your posts, and like this, but there are flaws, imo. Problem is, I’m on my phone, so it would take forever to write fully & w/out spelling probs. A few bullet points:
1. Teams w/ top pick have NO leverage. Pick CANNOT reasonably be traded, contrary to your statement.
2. As w/ Russell, agents & NFLPA FORCE contract values higher. They “slot” all picks off whatever increase top pick gets. If team refuses to ^^, pick holds out, further devaluing player vs cost ultimately paid.
3. Vets are GUARANTEED to get more % of deal w/ rookie cap, since rookie % of cap will drop. Goodell has even stated thus is necessary.
4. Contracts will be shorter, with earlier DA, as concession to NFLPA. Truth is, teams want to move away from 6 yr deals, except for key mid-career superstars
January 6th, 2011 at 7:26 PM
Josh McDaniels to meet with Vikings.
They must be looking to shed some talent from their roster for a minimal return.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:27 PM
FRS= Fucking Retard Sauce
January 6th, 2011 at 7:27 PM
I may have missed it, but what are Elways thoughts on Tebow
Peter King talking to Colin today about how Tebow has had rug taken out from under him with McDaniels and his brother, who worked daily with Tebow, out.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:28 PM
lol @ jpq.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:29 PM
So Weapon X is Mark Murphy. I never knew that. Lisk, I’m pretty much a Woody Guthrie-ite at heart so this may not be the least biased compliment you’ll ever receive, but this is my favorite thing you’ve ever written
January 6th, 2011 at 7:29 PM
yes. Frankly, I’m shocked that he is interviewing for any job immediately after that turd he left in Denver.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:31 PM
I named my Kids circumsized foreskin after Tim Tebow.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:32 PM
It wouldve been epic if that 95 year old woman would have asked Tebow to sign her boobs.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:33 PM
So these guys work 4 years for free on the college plantation, so they can move on up to the eastside plantation to earn minimum wage for 4 more years, and THEN — maybe — they finally get paid? That spells “bullshit”.
/don’t tell me free books and a BS in Exercisology is “getting paid”, either.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:34 PM
This was very strongly written, one of the best posts I’ve read here. Nice job, Lisk
Also, FUCK YES
January 6th, 2011 at 7:35 PM
Hakeem I was eating my dinner. Was….
January 6th, 2011 at 7:38 PM
I didn’t read all the comments, but this post was awesome. I have an issue with a couple points, but this post was well thought out and presented. Not bad for a stay at home Dad. Now, go change some diapers, Lisk!
January 6th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
I named my Kids circumsized foreskin after Tim Tebow.
I’ve been wondering about this. My kid had to wait a few hours after the morning he was born, because a doctor skilled in circumcisions was not available. So, Tebow can just go and cut some foreskin? Granted, he was in a third world country, but would you let your boy get cut by some 19 year old white boy that plays football?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:41 PM
IIRC, Tebow never did any cutting. He was just assisting, like an OR nurse.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:42 PM
Whitlock? I didn’t think you stopped by any more.
For sure. But only if it is Tebow.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:43 PM
So, Tebow can just go and cut some foreskin?
He uses his teeth. Does that count as cutting and/or make it more OK with you, Scott Van Pelt?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Mallett going pro. #familyarm #skanks
January 6th, 2011 at 7:46 PM
“There’s nobody like this guy in the league,” Ryan said of Manning. “Nobody studies like him. I know Brady thinks he does.”
Oh go suck sweaty, hairy foot.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:46 PM
Whitlock? I didn’t think you stopped by any more.
Whenever I read his comments under the byline of my favorite team & their QB, my soul is crushed just a little bit more
January 6th, 2011 at 7:47 PM
The Jets should draft another corner.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:50 PM
”.
Might wanna slow down with that “minimum wage” bullshit.
Cute.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:50 PM
The Jets have other needs before CB, don’t they? QB stands out
January 6th, 2011 at 7:51 PM
if they hate it so much, then can use that degree they earned for another job.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:51 PM
So Weapon X is Mark Murphy.
Cute.
Thanks
January 6th, 2011 at 7:52 PM
I didnt realize that the massas showed up at high schools and bought their players.
/no f’in sympathy’d
January 6th, 2011 at 7:52 PM
I was just joking because I railed against them picking Wilson over a DL.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:52 PM
NFLPA will fold faster than Superman on laundry day.
Expect 20 game seasons,QBS in red jerseys so they don’t get hit, and games on 5 nights a week.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:55 PM
I agree with the post.
A couple additional facts:
- The average NFL career is 3.4 years.
- Under the current CBA you cannot become an unrestricted free agent until after your 4th accrued season. (you need to be an active roster for 6 games to receive an accrued seaosn, ie, you are place on IR after one regular season game, that season does not count toward free agency.)
- Under the current CBA a team can franchise a player for a maximium of 3 straight years.
- The teams have all the leverage. If you doubt this, examine the HORRIBLE deal Michael Crabtree signed two seasons ago after his hold out.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:55 PM
I read that and that seemed necessary
January 6th, 2011 at 7:55 PM
ok…im calling bullshit now.
they knew it was denver all along.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:56 PM
haha true, but some do actually go to class.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:57 PM
I don’t get it. Can someone JMorris me?
January 6th, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Mark Murphy grew up in Buffalo, then went to Northwestern, then the Redskins. think he’s a lawyer as well.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Nothing, he just seemed to me to be super pro-owner
January 6th, 2011 at 7:58 PM
January 6th, 2011 at 7:58 PM
you guys had some excellent discussion in that Andrew Luck thread earlier. Well done.
January 6th, 2011 at 7:59 PM
im calling bullshit on that thunderbird he was driving at the beginning too.
this is such crap.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:01 PM
No bowl preview?
/Go Daddy’d
January 6th, 2011 at 8:05 PM
The teams have all the leverage. If you doubt this, examine the HORRIBLE deal Michael Crabtree signed two seasons ago after his hold out.
Players receive 58% of the gross, and have no expenses. Jerry Jones has a hugely valuable asset when he sells/dies, but he’s also carrying a debt load of $1 BILLION to finance the stadium.
Roy Williams, if he makes the team, gets what, $10 million/year to suck?
January 6th, 2011 at 8:16 PM
Roy Williams, if he makes the team, gets what, $10 million/year to suck?
I think the large point here is not so much about the rare (he is an outlier) player like Roy Williams. Overall, the average rookie is playing at below “market value” – you may disagree with how he’s arriving at that figure but the thesis here is that the average player on their 1st contract is returning on investment ALREADY at a very high clip, so that it is only through emotional responses that we, the viewing public, are being recruited in a manner of speaking to the owner’s side of the dispute. In reality, even with all that cost and debt and worry that Jerry Jones is incurring – there is actually quite a bit of cost involved in maintining an NFL career by the way – the benefits of NFL’s profitability are heavily weighted in an owner’s favor
January 6th, 2011 at 8:16 PM
But Jerry Jones doesn’t produce any product. He owns the warehouse but not the machines. Why should he get more than 40% of the gross. Plus, Jerry is in a very low-risk high-reward position whereas the players are in a high-risk high-reward position. If Jerry produces a shitty product like he has for the past 10 years, he still makes money. If a player doesn’t produce, he gets cut. And that’s just Jerry. Most owners demand municipal and county financing to cover stadium costs.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:19 PM
shouldn’t they be? isn’t that how big business works?
January 6th, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Well, that’s a moral/ethical question, in essence, isn’t it JHS? Yes, it is how big business works but that doesn’t mean that any sort of balance is being struck.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:28 PM
I realize I contradicted myself there. That should read “If Jerry’s players produce a shitty product like they have.”
January 6th, 2011 at 8:29 PM
Well, that’s a moral/ethical question, in essence, isn’t it JHS? Yes, it is how big business works but that doesn’t mean that any sort of balance is being struck.
Feelings become skewed depending if you are the man or work for him
January 6th, 2011 at 8:31 PM
Absolutely, JPQ. Perspective is a great ideal to strive for though, I think
January 6th, 2011 at 8:35 PM
Very interesting, you make some excellent points. Its worked well for the NBA/NHL, so it obviously can be done. They cant whack off 80% of the value, thats just a staring point, its will end up being more than that.
Talk to a few doctors who paid for 4 years of college, then paid for 4 years of med school, then did residency for 5 years at 40K a year working 100 hours a week. Fix that and then I’ll start to feel sorry for a football player.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:38 PM
JPQ, I think you know that teams can pass. Whatever public relations nightmare this might be with the fanbase, if the situation were as dire as the NFL is making it out to be, these teams could avoid paying these guys.
I have no problem with a rookie pay scale, provided that the money it is saving the owners at the draft is 100% recouped by the players somewhere. That should be the NFLPA’s position. The owners are still in a drastically improved position with the reduced risk from lowering the investment in “unproven” players.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:38 PM
Also, awesome, awesome job, Lisk.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
This.
If you get a scholarship and you decide to piss it away on a worthless major and you don’t make the NFL? Tough. No one’s fault but your own.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:45 PM
I like that and back it. I’d like to see that savings go into the injured/retired/etc… plaers’ pockets to help them with medical bills and such once they’re out of the league. I don’t personally feel like the established veterans should get anything additional because ultimately they’re still already making millions to play a game as a job. But if the NFL really wants to show anything, re-invest that into the guys that already paid their dues and gave their bodies to line the owners’ pockets.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:47 PM
ALL of this
January 6th, 2011 at 8:50 PM
58% of the gross is very misleading because the “gross” does not include a lot of revenue.
Jerry is not sharing all of his stadium’s football related revenue streams with the players.
Any player in his first four seasons not drafted in the first round who contributes to his team is underpaid.
Example: Desean Jackson only made $805k this year!!! That is outrageous. His total contract for his first four years is $3.058 million!! He is making $555k next year.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Poor guy, how ever will he manage? Could be some rough times ahead.
/I know the real point, but just saying.
January 6th, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Agree, stark.
Sportstalk: while the clock was ticking on that missed Viking pick, or when people wondered about Detroit passing on the pick, talking heads were saying the agent would hold the team to the “slot”, thus not getting the same guy at lower value
Id Google it, but wont bother (cell)
January 6th, 2011 at 8:53 PM
Care to expand on this or any other of your statements?
January 6th, 2011 at 9:02 PM
Jerry is not sharing all of his stadium’s football related revenue streams with the players.
Think they’d like to take on some of his debt?
The DeSean Jacksons of the world are EXACTLY why the rookie scale would help, by not giving a disproportionate % of the team’s cap who pick in the first 10-25 picks.
Aaron Maybin made $7 million in his 1st 2 years while wearing designer sideline sweats
Also keep in mind like Kolb, Jackson may get renegotiated early, a win/win for both parties
January 6th, 2011 at 9:17 PM
I think maybe you missed my point. If a team really felt burdened by the risk of investing in a very early pick, they could pass. They would slot in later.
No one has ever done it. Because it’s mostly bullshit.
January 6th, 2011 at 9:17 PM
The arguments about doctors don’t work. I’m pretty sure a doctor’s average career length is a bit longer than 3.5 years, and their maximum is much much longer than about 15-18 years.
January 6th, 2011 at 9:18 PM
and by “much much”, I mean “much”.
January 6th, 2011 at 9:27 PM
How exactly does not wanting to pay millions to unproven talent mean that a team does not value the pick or player? How do you explain to your fan base that you passed on a top 5 pick because you didn’t want to pay them? Or that you traded from top 10 to the bottom of the round straight up with another team? How are you going to rebuild your team if you don’t take the best talent available? You do either of those then the next day it’s a post about how stupid the gm that team is.
January 6th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
saying “be a doctor” is the same as saying “be an athlete.”
can we just stop this whole charade and make football a major? if you want to be an idiot and not take advantage of this opportunity, the major in football. fuck it. that’s no different than simply not showing up to class or half assing it and making a mockery of the whole thing.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:13 PM
The comparison was about an extremely profitable industry artificially suppressing potential maximum free market value of ones services during your training and evaluation period. I’d say it applies. And I still dont feel sorry for football players.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:48 PM
@celticlaw: In the CBA it defines what is included in the “Gross Revenue” and the CBA also excludes specific items (basically local revenue) from the defined gross revenue.
For example, ticket revenue for luxury boxes is included in the gross revenue, however, non ticket revenue from luxury boxes is excluded from the defined gross revenue. Each owner retains all of their non ticket revenue from their luxury boxes and does not share it with either the players or other owners. Parking, stadium naming rights, etc are also exlcuded. For a team like Dallas that is huge.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:51 PM
You can’t compare doctors to football players. Your average football player is out the league 6 months into a doctors residence.
At 25 most football players are out the league. At 25 medical students, assuming they went straight through are just becoming doctors and beginning their residency.
January 6th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
@coop- it still doesn’t work, due to the career longevity. just doesnt make sense.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:08 AM
#1) The NFL has always been a copycat league. These picks all have the Jimmy Johnson assigned trade values that every NFL front office person knows like the back of his hand. It’s like the “card” that tells you when to go for two points – nobody is ever willing to stray from it, because NFL types are not free-thinkers typically.
You would need a Belichick type to make a move like this, and he aint picking in the top 5. No GM whose team is bad enough to be picking in the top 5 could be secure enough in his job to make a move as desperate as this. What a move like this tells the fans is “yeah we suck, but we’re too cheap to get better”
#2) The flipside of this is question is – if these picks carry so much value, how come teams are no longer willing to trade FOR a top 5 pick using the Jimmy Johnson draft chart?
The only team that has made draft day trades into the top 5 over the past 10 drafts has been the NY Jets. They did it in 2003 to get Dwayne Robertson at #4 and in 2009 to get Mark Sanchez at #5. In ’03 they had to give up the #13 and #22 (combined value 1930) overall to get to #4 (value 1800). Six years later they were able to trade #17 and #52 (value 1330) to get to #5 (value 1700). They had to overpay in ’03 and underpay in ’09. What that tells me is that in 6 years the value of those top 5 picks has depreciated considerably and that the Johnson chart is outdated. You wont see a team trade straight up pick-for-pick, but you will see the Browns take less than the JJ chart value to move out of the top 5.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:14 AM
Just realize this conflicts what i say later on about what Cleveland did in ’09. Instead of “stray” i should say “stray too far.” it’s not like the Browns traded #5 for #17 straight up.
Overall i did enjoy reading this piece and there are a lot of good points (esp. about the length of career) but i still believe the salaries for the top 5-10 picks are outrageous, though the proposed changes seem very extreme.
January 7th, 2011 at 1:20 AM
Yikes, i need to stop posting after midnight…just noticed that NYJ also included 3 players in the trade, obviously changes things. Still i stand by my general premise, and it is worth noting that no organization other than the Jets has been willing to pay the price to move up into the top 5 over the past 10 drafts.
/dumbass