Jim Harbaugh to Michigan: Who Breaks the Story?
Jim Harbaugh is very, probably, supposedly going to leave Stanford to become the next Michigan coach. This has been speculated in the media and online for months, but the discussion has accelerated in recent weeks/days for a few reasons:
1) NFL teams are supposedly reaching out to Harbaugh’s agent to gauge his interest in NFL jobs (San Francisco? Miami? Carolina?), and the takeaway from some NFL reporters seems to be that he’s going to Michigan
2) Harbaugh hasn’t signed his extension at Stanford and has been coy about what the holdup is
3) Harbaugh is a “Michigan Man.” He has worked wonders at never-any-good Stanford. If he were to stick around Palo Alto, he’d have to rebuild around a new QB (nobody really thinks Andrew Luck is staying, right?)
4) Michigan’s coach, Rich Rodriguez, is universally loathed. Although he has shown improvement in each of his three years (3-9, 5-7, 7-5), the NCAA rules violations and player issues/deflections have hampered any progress.
We hear the decision to hire Harbaugh has been made for a few weeks, and the announcement will come 48-72 hours after Stanford’s bowl game against Virginia Tech (Jan. 3). Will his 2nd wife, Sarah, mind the frigid Michigan winters? (Unrelated: His first wife gave him Hamlet for Christmas; he met his 2nd wife in Vegas.)
Here are some for-fun odds on who will break the story:
8:1 Freep or Detroit News (It LOOKS like the News broke the Rich Rod hire)
12:1 ESPN’s Joe Schad
15:1 San Jose Mercury News
20:1 ESPN’s Kirk Herbstreit (Insert Les Miles joke here)
25: Stanford player on Facebook or twitter
30:1 ESPN’s Adam Schefter (Insert Bob Stoops-to-Notre-Dame joke here; also, he’s a Michigan grad)
35:1 AnnArbor.com
40:1 SI’s Andy Staples
50:1 SF Chronicle
60:1 Big Ten Network’s Charissa Thompson
75:1 Michigan player on Facebook or twitter
100:1 Blogger (not a bad guess – see Florida’s recent hire)
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December 31st, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Universally loathed? Facts just don’t matter to you, do they?
December 31st, 2010 at 12:40 PM
I’m gonna go with Bob Stoops breaking the story.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Les Miles is going to Michigan.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:44 PM
I’ll go with Bernard Berrian.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Of course Bud Selig and MLB owners want a salary cap.
/could you please take that silly thing down?
December 31st, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Andrew Luck does
December 31st, 2010 at 12:48 PM
2012 Winter Classic: How About Rangers-Red Wings at The Big House?
December 31st, 2010 at 12:48 PM
HA. Round 2 is always spicier.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Michigan will draft Hakeem Nicks
December 31st, 2010 at 12:49 PM
that would be stupid. You can’t do better than Michigan-Michigan State there.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:50 PM
It would be better for the CBJ and Wings to play at the Big House that way a Michigan team could actually beat an Ohio team in Ann Arbor…
December 31st, 2010 at 12:50 PM
That’s why Mike Leach is dragging his heels with Maryland
December 31st, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Not sure what players you are talking about. That offense was going to suck the first year even if Mallet and Boren stayed. The only one that really hurt was Warren leaving early. All the other guys that transferred didn’t make any sort of impact at their new school, so to suppose they would have done anything of consequence at Michigan is naive or stupid.
When the NCAA says that they are going to look into clarifying the language about how the support staff and stretching time are counted, you know that the violation was bullshit. Pretending otherwise is as dumb as your assertion that Bob Stoops would trade down to coach at Notre Dame.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:51 PM
God…I would love to go to that, but I don’t want to watch them lose by six while it’s snowing inside the stadium.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Gruden to Michigan.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Attn MN Wild: trade for Jerome Iginla. I want the Winter Classic here. It’s not ever going to happen if your biggest stars are Mikko Koivu and Marty Havlat.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Toronto will get an outdoor game in the Rogers Centre in the next couple years.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Oh yeah. I would definitely hit that one up. It takes a hell of a lot for me to enter the state up north. I feel OK blowing by the Whore (Ann Arbor) and Detroit to play golf way up north.
This event with the CBJ playing would get me there in a heartbeat, loss or no…
December 31st, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Universally loathed may be strong. Rich Rodriguez has support from stat geeks and Ohio State fans.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:55 PM
GSG broke the story!!!
December 31st, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Universally loathed may be strong. Rich Rodriguez has support from stat geeks and Ohio State fans.
Which one is magglio?
December 31st, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Sources say it’s a done deal, Stark.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:56 PM
I think it would be fun, though probably completely impractical, to play it on one of the Great Lakes or something
December 31st, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Maggs will bust the fuck out of a calculator.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:57 PM
you hear? from whom?
harbaugh hasn’t said shit, dave brandon hasn’t said shit and even the most connected michigan man on the internet, brian cook, has no idea what’s going on.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Rich Rodriguez has support from stat geeks
And for the first 5 games of each season, Michigan fans enthralled by a poised freshamn QB or the most exciting player in the last 30 years of college football
December 31st, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Merry New Year
December 31st, 2010 at 12:58 PM
he met his 2nd wife in Vegas
I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die
December 31st, 2010 at 12:59 PM
except by at least half of the michigan fans who still like him and realize that RR is only partially responsible for this mess.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:59 PM
I didn’t realize Harbaugh’s current wife isn’t the one he was cheating on in San Diego. Thanks for the link
December 31st, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Even if it meant watching Leafs v Wings I would travel east to see an outdoor game on one of the Great Lakes.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:59 PM
except by at least half of the michigan fans who still like him and realize that RR is only partially responsible for this mess.
/retry due to moderation
December 31st, 2010 at 12:59 PM
I would rather Michigan not have a Heisman candidate at quarterback and have a reasonable chance at beating Ohio State…but that’s just me.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:59 PM
…then I got distracted and missed it. My friends tried to describe it to me, but it just wasn’t the same.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:00 PM
I’m voting The Notorious STEPHEN A SMITH!!!!!
December 31st, 2010 at 1:01 PM
im not sure tressel will rent it out considering he owns it and everything.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:01 PM
How is he partially responsible? He hired all of the defensive assistants and instigated all of the changes to the defense the past three years. Undermined and fired Scott Shafer who just had a Top 5 defense at freaking Syracuse.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Tatar makes his NHL debut tonight
December 31st, 2010 at 1:03 PM
That reminds me, how much did Belichick charge the Penguins to use Heinz tomorrow? They better clean up all that water or he is NOT going to give them their security deposit back.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:03 PM
it wasn’t his fault that lloyd carr’s last two recruiting classes were just horrible. michigan was going to have an adjustment period regardless.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:04 PM
meh…heinz’ field is so fucking awful nobody will be able to tell the difference. typical pittsburghian retardedness at work there.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Just to repeat what I was saying in that thread yesterday or the day before, I’m pretty sure Andrew Luck is coming back. The only reason for hesitation is the coaching situation. With the NFL in the state it’s in as far as the lack of labor progress, the likelihood of a “rookie cap” in whatever new deal gets worked out, and the fact that his family is pretty well off, I really believe it
December 31st, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Rich Rod is a fucking clown. Keep him as long as you can.
Burn that Redshirt on Gardner tomorrow you moron. So dumb
December 31st, 2010 at 1:07 PM
3/4 of this team are his players…Unless you want to give Lloyd credit for that 2008 class, which had 17 4-star recruits. Lloyd left him Brandon Graham…
December 31st, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Fuck Heinz Field. I still miss Three Rivers, except for Pirate games though. That was a shitty stadium to watch baseball.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:07 PM
2 years of shitty Lloyd Carr recruiting should make Michigan an 8-4 or 9-3 style disaster. Let’s not start defending RichRod just for sake of argument
December 31st, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Mantis – At least you guys have PNC.
/looks over at Great American
//points
///laughs
December 31st, 2010 at 1:08 PM
So, not having a Heisman candidate at QB would give them a better chance to beat OSU? How can you type that and not realize how idiotic that sounds?
How good was that defense against the run? What was the average age of the players running the defense? What was the quality of opponent that Syracuse played?
Why not keep RR and throw money at Jeff Casteel to come to Michigan and run the defense? You know, the guy who just keeps putting out top 20 defenses at WVU and is obviously a guy that RR knows and trusts?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:09 PM
The cupboard Rich Rod got on defense may not have been full. Changing coordinators twice and systems four times in three seasons didn’t help either.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Got there for the first year of both. The problem with Heinz is that every year it gets raped by a double schedule (Pitt and Pit) and then WPIAL playoffs finish it off until next August
December 31st, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Stupid DirecTV guide. Why does Sony TV show like I get that channel but when I try to switch to Godzilla vs. Destroyah I get the black screen of headaches?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:10 PM
Syracuse played the same quality of opponent West Virginia played. They are in the same conference. If you’re doubting Syracuse, you have to doubt West Virginia.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:11 PM
If the owners gave one shit about putting on an average product on the field, that ballpark will be 90% full every game. I highly recommend anyone who enjoy’s seeing different ballparks to check out PNC.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:12 PM
That is your argument? That just shows how little you actually know about the program. Graham was overweight and unproductive when RR came in. He didn’t become the beast he is now until after getting into a real S&C program. If Carr had stayed he would have more than likely ended up being another Gabe Watson.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:12 PM
they’ll be good in a few years, Mantis. Just need to add some arms.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:13 PM
Right you are. The field actually held up pretty well there year since there was no shitty weather during all of those games.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:13 PM
fair enough…but while you’re giving lloyd credit for these recruits, it might not be a bad idea to give RR credit for assembling a pretty powerful offense (my personal hate for it’s style aside).
December 31st, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Been to probably a dozen games there, and it’s solid. Only who knows if it’s loud or any good for big games, because it’s probably only been filled to capacity for the all-star game, and then close for the Red Sox in 2003.
Anyone been to Miller Park? It looks atrocious, but I’m hoping it’s fun.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:15 PM
The argument for keeping Rich Rod from MGoBlog and others is that it would mean giving up Denard Robinson. Even with Denard Robinson putting up historic numbers, Michigan finished 7-5. 3-5 in the Big Ten. Michigan without Denard Robinson and with a better defense would probably be better.
The problem with Casteel is that it’s still a 3-3-5. Explain why you would want a system designed to stop speed in a conference where the teams you have to beat play conservative pro-style offenses with power running games.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:15 PM
no no no…
the problem is with the faggy rooney’s and their insistence on having a grass field despite the fact they fucking know college and HS games get played on the field.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Far be it from me to take up sides with Duffy or Michigan but some of the shit being said on here is a bit over the top. There is no take away from RichRod at Michigan other than failure. You want to give him 5 years on principle, OK, but it’s more than fair to blame him fully at this point. Or any point in his tenure
December 31st, 2010 at 1:15 PM
All I know is that US Cellular and Tropicana are fighting it out fro worst ballpark in the majors.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Which of those two teams played LSU and Maryland? Which of those two teams played Washington(blown out after Washington got smoked by Nebraska) and Maine?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Meh suuuuuks, Brutus. Please use a different word.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Are they winning with it? East Carolina has a powerful offense too.
Michigan’s record in Big Ten – 2-6, 1-7, 3-5.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Mantis: you ever been to any big Steelers games at Heinz? It seems like it can get decently loud and be an actual advantage (read: Gilette/New Meadowlands = NOT). I remember a couple of false starts in 2-OT won a homecoming game against BC because it was so loud in student section.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:17 PM
I have zero faith in anything that incomptetent organization does.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:18 PM
Even though I kinda like UofM and I went to WVU I love Rich Rod. Thanks for Mallett, we’ll use him to beat Ohio State since Michigan can’t.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:19 PM
I always expect & hope for terrible things from Ohio State in the bowls but Mallett is my leat favorite player in all of football right now. He’s a shitty QB in search of a comeuppance
December 31st, 2010 at 1:20 PM
I’ve had season tickets since 2002. It can get pretty loud when it wants to, but no where near as loud as three rivers. The only time I missed games was in 2007 when I got my license suspended during the fall after passing out on a bench drunk at Penn State. Couldn’t get home from school every weekend.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:22 PM
hahahahaha
I’ve never liked her.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:22 PM
The 3-3-5 isn’t designed to stop speed. It is designed to be multiple. I know you hate stats, but go check how many times the defensive line had 4 people on it. Michigan did not play a straight 3-3-5.
Also, the idea that the Big10 is a conference full of teams running power formations and nothing else is just laughable. There are more teams running spread style attacks than anything else. Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, PSU, and now Nebraska run non-power offenses. OSU should be doing it more often, but does run a spread style at times. God only knows what Minnesota is doing. Wisconsin, MSU, and Iowa run power offenses.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:22 PM
they’re not winning with it, but it’s not the reason they’re unsuccessful.
all im saying is that it’s a slippery slope if you’re using record to judge RR when it was clear going into his tenure that there were growing pains on the horizon…what happens if harbaugh comes in and experiences the same issues?
i don’t think it’s a definite that harbaugh is a better, more qualified coach than rich rod. harbaugh’s just as stubborn, FAR more arrogant and doesn’t have nearly RR’s resume. he’ll want pro-style players and a drastic change in philosophy…that record’s not likely to improve under those circumstances, so then what?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:23 PM
USF – Florida Conference Champs 2010
December 31st, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Screech still has nice tits.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:24 PM
After three years, is Michigan significantly better in the Big Ten? No. Are they more competitive against Ohio State? No. Have they shown signs that they are getting to that point? No.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:24 PM
good read on OSU defense vs. mallett.
/heavy on X’s and O’s
December 31st, 2010 at 1:25 PM
that’s what’s so engaging about this situation…both sides have a really good case.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:26 PM
He took 1-11 Stanford to 11-1 in four years, having to recruit kids who could get accepted at Stanford. Show me anything Rich Rodriguez has done that is that impressive.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Such a terrible argument. The offense obviously isn’t the issue at Michigan. They did impressive work this year, and only lose 1.5 starters. A lot of that offense has two years left to play as well. They would have the #1 QB in the conference, as well as a top 5 LT, C, and WR all coming back to run the spread. If you don’t accept that the offense would be even better next year, you are just arguing to argue.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Spencer – I think we all know why you want Rich Rodriguez to stay at Michigan.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Good. Diora Baird deserves more attention. Bigger rack and a real face compared to Katy.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:27 PM
that’s what’s so engaging about this situation…It’s really fun to watch Michigan suck with little-to-no hope of being good any time soon
/readin’ minds
December 31st, 2010 at 1:29 PM
The offense might be better. I’ll concede that. There’s nothing in the track record that suggests the Special Teams and Defense will be better under this regime. Rich Rodriguez has consistently meddled with the defense, undermined coordinators, ordered system changes and failed dismally. Why does Michigan have uber conservative Greg Robinson running a 3-3-5 that requires aggressive blitzing? Rich Rodriguez.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:30 PM
So, a top 20 offense isn’t improvement? Recruiting classes that are consistently improving isn’t a step in the right direction? More wins in the B10 during the year that the B10 is better than it has been in years?
He turned WVU into a title contender with even less talent than Stanford had.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:32 PM
i guess your opinion of the pac-10 as a legitimate football conference differs from mine. i don’t see a lot of difference in the quality of non-USC pac-10 football and the big east.
plus, four years is a rather small sample size. RR’s offense excelled at every stop he made and his offense is a lot of the reason tulane went undefeated. RR did it from 1990 through 2006…had a great offense almost every year.
that’s impressive stuff, moreso than two real years of success when the only power in the conference was neutered.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:32 PM
I applaud you sir. Her tits are stupendous, she deserves more work
December 31st, 2010 at 1:34 PM
im not making a long winded case for the dude because i think OSU will beat him as long as he’s there. i didn’t believe that cooper couldn’t beat michigan because he was john cooper (always thought OSU had a chance) and i don’t believe it with rich rod either.
no matter who’s coaching michigan, i’ll never concede the fact that OSU is and will always be a superior football program in every single measurable way.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:35 PM
No might about it. Unless there are a rash of injuries, it couldn’t help but be better, simply from experience.
The 3-3-5 doesn’t require blitzing. I personally believe Michigan would have been better off running a straight 4-2-5 and blitzing like crazy. It would have played to their one strength on defense, which was the DL. It also would have gotten one of the terrible LB corp off the field. Of course, it also would have been nice if Kenny Demens hadn’t lived with Boubacar Cissoko and gotten himself into the doghouse because of shit that Cissoko pulled. Good thing RR doesn’t recruit kids like him.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:36 PM
December 31st, 2010 at 1:36 PM
To sum up:
Michigan, 5-0, Duffy: “Woohoo! My team might be good!”, Comments: “Fuck you Duffy, Michigan is shitty and should fire their coach”
Michigan, 7-5, Duffy: “Dammit, guess it’s true. Michigan needs a new coach”, Comments: “Fuck you Duffy, it’s not the coaches fault”
December 31st, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Yes, Justin Feagin and Demar Dorsey were all American boys.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:40 PM
to be fair, im less sticking up for RR as i am raising questions about harbaugh as a coach.
harbaugh is a fuckface douchebag. he’s an arrogant hypocrite and if the michigan bluebloods hate RR for the way he acts, it’ll be great watching them squirm with that jackass leading the program.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:43 PM
I smell fear.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Harbaugh is a damn good coach. Dont see how you can claim otherwise
December 31st, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Good job Duffy. You have completely ignored anything that might make you actually have to think and put together a reasoned argument. It must be nice to live in a world where your opinion has become fact. Perhaps when you’ve actually taken a look at the plethora of information available on why the program is where it is at, you might understand why a large number of Michigan fans don’t want to see RR fired and Harbaugh brought in.
Firing a coach after three years is a dangerous precedent to set. Especially when that coach has obviously made huge strides on offense. The idea that the defense couldn’t be quickly made at least average is idiotic at best. Yes, Robinson was a terrible hire. But there are plenty of good DCs that could be brought in and make the defense good enough to stay out of the way of the offense.
Trying to blame RR for the kicking game is just nonsense. Kicker is the single hardest position to project from one level to the next. Gibbons was one of the top prospects in the nation coming out of high school. He had multiple scholarship offers. He made all the kicks in practice. Not much you can do when he proves he is incapable of doing it in games. The only thing that could be done is to recruit another kicker. Michigan did that. They have a freshman coming in that might not have the power that Gibbons has, but apparently has a very repeatable motion to the ball.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I don’t buy into your arguments against Harbaugh, either, but I see what you’re saying, Spencer. Of course I don’t think the overall quality of the Big 10 is much different than the Pac 10
December 31st, 2010 at 1:49 PM
the pac-10 is no better than the big east. unless, of course, you’re jeff sagarin.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:50 PM
S-Mart, are you Scott Bentley?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Please explain this. With facts if you can. I’d love to see the rationalization.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Worked out terribly for Florida.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:52 PM
reasonably valid.
then again, im of the opinion that wisky would win the NC over both of those teams by at least two scores. MSU went 11-1. iowa, while having a shitty record, was loaded with talent and was THISCLOSE to having a sterling record.
there have been two legitimately talented teams in the pac-10 as long as harbaugh’s been there (other than stanford, of course), and one of them was completely defrocked this year and the other is CFB’s biggest house of cards.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Come on Kentucky & Louisville – no more made baskets, timeouts, clock stoppages of any kind. You can do it!
December 31st, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Worked great for ND. Moron.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Yes, please end this damn game.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:55 PM
If Harbaugh doesn’t go undefeated for 3 years in a row he is gonna get ran out of town
December 31st, 2010 at 1:56 PM
This isn’t 15 years ago. You don’t get five years to cobble together a decent team at a top level program. There’s too much money at stake. Show me whatever stats you want to show me. They aren’t situated to beat the best teams in the Big Ten, most of whom they habitually beat for 40 years. They don’t control the ball. They don’t stop the run.
December 31st, 2010 at 1:59 PM
that’s dumb…coaches need time to build…and also the shorter leash a coach has the more likely the players are gonna try to do things their way instead of the coaches way because shit they got better job security than the coach does.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Michigan has always held itself to a different standard. Why change that now? The honorable thing is to give him 4 years. The money argument is invalid. There have been no confirmed reports of any major booster dropping their support. The luxury boxes are selling at the rate projected by Martin before he retired. They just made Jerry Jones match the money of a home game to get them to go to Texas and play Alabama.
It is your opinion that they are not situated to beat those teams. It is the opinion of people who know anything about football that if they can get the defense to be close to average, the offense is more than enough to win in the B10.
Who cares if they control the ball? Time of Possession is a nearly meaningless stat. Why else would ESPN talk about it? The defense is full of guys who should be redshirting and they have a terrible DC.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Yes, but the building needs to be going somewhere. You don’t nuke the project if the coach is showing signs of progress. Where is the progress? Michigan was less competitive against MSU, Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio State than they were last season. They needed 500 total yards, a last minute TD drive, and Nate Montana playing half the game to beat Notre Dame. They couldn’t put away Indiana or UMass. They didn’t even play well against Purdue who had their starting quarterback out and a second-string quarterback who hurt his hand and could not throw.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Time of possession may not be important. TURNOVER MARGIN is definitely important.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:06 PM
at least 4 years. when richrod got hired how many kid transfered?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Big 10 has one elite program (OSU), two good programs (Iowa, Wisconsin), two above average programs (Penn State, MSU), 3 middling programs (Michigan, Illinois, Northwestern) and 3 bad programs. Pac 10 has one elite program (Oregon is there, I know opinion splits here), two good programs (USC is down here now, Stanford), a bunch of middling programs (ASU, Arizona, Washington, Berkeley, UCLA, Oregon State) and one bottom 5 program (Wazzu). Big 10 is better but it isn’t by much and the week in/week out isn’t much different.
/Eyeball’d
December 31st, 2010 at 2:10 PM
does that look like progress to you?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Here’s the thing about football statistics. This isn’t baseball. They play 12 games. There isn’t enough of a sample size to make determinations like that based on the statistics. Show me the last team that didn’t have a good/great defense that won the Big Ten.
It isn’t my opinion that Michigan isn’t situation to beat the Top teams in the Big Ten. They have a 1-14 record against Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Then you should talk about turnover margin, not controlling the ball. How have you written about sports this long and not gotten the jargon down?
Michigan was less competitive against two teams going to BCS games and an 11-1 team whose entire season revolves around that one game? Fucking shocking.
Indiana, a team that seemed almost designed to take advantage of the Michigan defense.
Purdue, a game played in the worst weather of the season.
Yes, they should have beat ND by more.
UMass was the lite version of Wisconsin. Giant and experienced line with a really good running game.
Do you even watch the games?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:12 PM
FBS – 3-9, 4-7, 6-5
B10 – 2-6, 1-7, 3-5
Does that look like progress to you?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:13 PM
So you’re now arguing it’s acceptable Michigan should have struggled against a D 1-AA school? Give me a break. Do you even watch the games?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:14 PM
yes yes it does…
December 31st, 2010 at 2:15 PM
desperately awaits hernia’s tetris music.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:16 PM
So expecting Michigan to be competitive against a good team, a short-passing team, a power running team, a I-AA team, or in bad weather (THEY PLAY IN THE BIG TEN) is too much to ask? How many excuses must be made?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Show me the last team with an offense in the Big Ten like what Michigan would be putting on the field next year under Rodriguez.
As far as stats go, the guys over at MGoBlog were pretty accurate as far as the projections went. The math shows that if Michigan had fielded an average defense this year, they were over 80% to have 10 wins. That was 10 wins in the best year of the Big 10 in a long time.
2000 Purdue is the answer to your question.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:20 PM
You truly are dense.
I would say beating those teams would mean they are competitive, right? Do you not know what that word means?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:21 PM
missed a lot while pooping…
i really don’t understand this “TOP is a meaningless stat” nonsense. at the pro level? i can see that argument. at the college level? when you have a team like oregon that scores a point per minute, keeping them off the field almost entirely ensures you’re going to win.
it all boils down to effiency with the ball, but if you’re efficient AND have the ball for awhile, you will win more often than not. TOP is meaningful in concert with effiency.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Yes. See, in the first row, the numbers on the left keep getting bigger. That is generally considered a good thing.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:22 PM
But they didn’t. And Rodriguez has shown no reason to believe he can produce one. It’s not statistically valid to use the offense statistics to buttress the argument for him and completely ignore the defensive statistics which have trended almost exponentially downward.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:23 PM
that’s not a prerequisite though.
show me the last SEC team to not have a good defense to win the conference. auburn’s D is bunk and they won it this year so if it can happen there, it sure as hell can happen in the big ten.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:24 PM
That “progress” is Michigan stopping a two-point conversion in a 67-65 game against Illinois at home and playing an easier non-conference schedule than they did under Carr.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Spencer, with a team like Michigan and Oregon, TOP becomes even less meaningful. Unless their defenses are playing at an extremely high level and forcing multiple 3 and outs, we shouldn’t be surprised if the other team has the ball for more time.
When that type of offense gets on the field, the difference in likelihood that they score in 2 plays or 10 plays is relatively small by comparison to more traditional offenses.
TOP by itself is an empty stat. It really doesn’t tell you anything. That is the point I was making. I actually knew Duffy was talking about ball security, but if a guy that writes about sports for a living can’t use the correct jargon, I’m going to make fun of him for it.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:29 PM
of course, which is why i was careful to qualify my statements.
but at the same time, if you can keep your defense fresh by keeping your offense out there longer, you’re going to have a better chance to win against teams that run high tempo offenses because your defense will be fresher.
TOP isn’t the most meaningful stat, and it can be misleading (like last year when wisky had a 40-20 adv over OSU and still lost by 3 scores), but it makes complete sense to make a concerted effort towards keeping a potent offense off the field. TOP is useful alongisde 3rd down conversion rate, YPA and, of course, points scored.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Except for all of those defenses at WVU.
It is also illogical to ignore some of the reasons for that trend. But you don’t believe the cupboard was bare, even though the evidence of it is overwhelming.
That progress is playing football?
And at least now Michigan beats the 1-AA teams when they play them. We can obviously agree that the 2007 team was more talented than the last three years, yet they couldn’t beat App State. Because the special teams was so poorly coached that Shawn Crable didn’t know that you ALWAYS block the guy to the inside of you on a FG attempt.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:33 PM
im pretty sure duffy believes the cupboard was bare…he just thinks RR is a lot to blame for that*.
*he has a point and i never said he was wrong…i just think patience is a virtue in this instance
December 31st, 2010 at 2:36 PM
You can’t design an explosive offense that stays on the field longer.
If you are going to run an uptempo offense that has the ability to make big plays, you have to know that they will be getting off the field more quickly. When you combine that with a poor defense, you have to gamble that your offense can score enough points.
I personally think, based on the personnel available, it made sense to take that gamble this year and probably next year too.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
this is total bullshit.
controlling the ball comes down to one thing and one thing only…play calling.
quite sensible. that’s where im coming from as well.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:38 PM
I’m not going to take the time to look for it, but I’m pretty sure Duffy believes that RR walked into a team full of All-American quality talent on the defensive side and either chased it off or wasted it. He doesn’t believe that Carr had dropped the ball recruiting at LB and DB.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:41 PM
carr was gone before the luster on those five stars jonas mouton, donovan warren and cissoko dimmed. why wouldn’t you expect big things from 5-stars?
December 31st, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Michigan calls a QB draw. That normally gets you 3 or 4 yards.
Denard Robinson runs it for 15+.
Michigan throws a screen to Roundtree that generally gets 8 yards. He gets amazing blocking and makes two guys look like fools and goes for 30 yeards.
The skill position players at Michigan really are just that good, especially with their downfield blocking. Out of everything else, that has impressed me more than anything else. The WRs at Michigan actually look like they enjoy blocking.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:44 PM
you mean, on the rare, RARE occasion roundtree actually catches it?
a blocking WR is no better thna a light hitting, good defensive 1b.
the skill position players for michigan are probably the most disappointing part of the offense. could you imgaine how good denard would be if they had a typical michigan WR like braylon, mario manningham, et al?
the biggest improvement ive seen (outside of denard) has been along the OL. they’re a very capable zone blocking unit.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:46 PM
The problem wasn’t with having someone who should be good, it was with the complete lack of depth.
And I don’t think Cissoko was a 5 star. Most 5’9″ cover corners don’t get a 5th star.
Mouton had his best year this year. He looked like a completely different player once he started playing next to Kenny Demens.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Doesn’t matter who they hire. U of M is now the lil’ brother.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:48 PM
cissoko is a 5-star according to this.
agreed.
then again, when jordan “jeter range” kovacs is a starting safety, methinks having someone who should be good would be a good thing to have around.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:49 PM
ugh…fuck michigan state and their flukefraud-buckeye-dodging year.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:51 PM
I’d rather RichRod get one more year (I mean who are we here, Notre Dame?)….but it is a horrifying nightmare to think that he might fail again next season and we lose the window to get Harbaugh. Then we are stuck with Les Miles/Brady Hoke unless we pull something out of our ass like Gruden or unretiring Urban Meyer.
If Harbaugh is as smart as I think he is, he has got to tailor his offense around Denard for at least a year or so before going full on into his schemes….I mean who is he RichRod….oops.
Also like I posted on another thread…..terrapintimes.com told thewolverine.com that RichRod phone interviewed for the Maryland job earlier this week.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:53 PM
has harbaugh ever sniffed an offense centered around a running QB? i know he scampered a bit in college (commence painful memories) and luck has some running ability, but designing an offense around someone like denard is a totally different beast.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:53 PM
OSU might’ve won, but we’ll never know. That has nothing to do with the fact that MSU has been beating Michigan for a while now.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:55 PM
A capable zone blocking unit? You sure are funny.
The freshman LT more than matched up against all of the top DE that were in the B10 this year. If Molk wasn’t the best center in the league this year, he will be next year. I challenge you to find a guard that does a better job blocking in space than Omameh. This should be the best line at Michigan in quite awhile next year.
Roundtree might have been the best example, but none of the receivers dropped anymore passes than Braylon did.
If you don’t understand how important a blocking WR is in the Michigan offense, you just don’t understand the Michigan offense. No big deal, it is a lot more complex than the arm punting you are used to watching.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:58 PM
oh, i understand it completely. but blocking shouldn’t come at the expense of catching the ball…
and cute arm punt remark. i’ll gladly take pryor as my QB. tho i think it’s funny that we spend 146 comments talking about having patience for rich rod, but pryor’s still arm punty mcgee despite his consistent upward trajectory.
December 31st, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Give me a break, your best season since Jesus got pubes and you still couldn’t make a Rose bowl….enjoy getting your shiznit pushed in by Bama and Saban who always knew you would be little brother….thats why he left.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:00 PM
and even though i gave the OL a lot of credit, OSU tapped that wolverine ass this year.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Not sure, but I know he will have every oppurtunity to at least have someone on staff to help….shit how many schools have “Run game Coordinators” and “Inside Receiver coaches” and shit now.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:04 PM
not all that many, and even fewer at a place like michigan that notoriously doesn’t pay assistant coaches much.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:08 PM
With Brandon, I have a feeling that is gonna change.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Josh Johnson was a running QB at USD
December 31st, 2010 at 3:10 PM
fuck the gators, weis is coming to AA!
December 31st, 2010 at 3:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5974715
Why would you leave the Chiefs OC positon to be UF’s OC Coord?
Weis can’t be getting more money? He is old, fat and married….so the locale can’t matter. He already lost his dream College coaching job…so I doubt he has aspirations to coach college again so wouldn’t being a successful NFL OC get you to be an NFL coach easier?
Does he really like blowing 17 and 18 year old kids?
December 31st, 2010 at 3:12 PM
good lookin out. i wasn’t being a smartass, asking a legit question.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:13 PM
UFmeUGetSTD…the only reason i can think of is that he wouldn’t have to work as hard for a comparable paycheck and he’d have much less pressure on him, which is crucial when you’re morbidly obese and staring a heartattack in the face.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Great…I am on the same wavelength as a Fuckeye….FML
December 31st, 2010 at 3:16 PM
yea…but i didn’t go to osu, so i can at least read. which is more than i can say for a lot of my buckeye bretheren.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:16 PM
I live in KC…Weis barely gets the needle moving around here. People concentrate more on the players, Haley and to be quite honest Romeo Crennal. They pretty much let Weis be. He would get alot more pressure at UF….shit look what they did to that Adazzio guy….they made him take the Temple job
December 31st, 2010 at 3:18 PM
really? that seems a little ridiculous.
weis knows offense really well. id welcome him on in that capacity as long as he didn’t have any real power.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Charlie Weis won’t fuck the pooch like Adazzio. He’s a really good OC and the Chiefs will feel it if he’ gone
December 31st, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Spencer, if I didn’t make fun of Pryor, what kind of Michigan fan would I be?
And I’ll take Roundtree as our #1 receiver. He did have the 4th most receptions per game and the 3rd most yards per game.
If receivers don’t block in this system, the running game doesn’t work. So, I’ll take guys who obviously catch the ball and block.
Pryor has improved from 2009 to 2010, but I think we all expected him to be at a much higher level based on his recruiting rankings. His throwing motion is still pretty ugly. It really is too bad he wasn’t playing in a spread offense, because as he said, he would have “dominated”.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:19 PM
It is more of a whole fucken Ohio thing from my experiences….not so much an Ohio St thing. I didn’t goto UM either, family did. I went to OkState.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:21 PM
I think people around here just hope he doesn’t eat their children
December 31st, 2010 at 3:22 PM
well, obviously ohesians like myself didn’t welcome you with open arms considering a) you have an STD and b) you can’t spell “fucking” right. we love the word “fucking” in ohio.
agreed it’s ugly, but he’s got a strong arm.
and i really can’t blame you for making fun of pryor. he’s the bucks’ lowest hanging fruit. he’s been one embarrassment after another.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:23 PM
I think Roundtree deserves the #1, he has his drops but he makes plays as well. Shit he has the record for yards in a game now.
Braylon had some drops as well but he ended his career pretty well….skeet skeeting all over Ohio St’s face.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:24 PM
grimace only steals milkshakes and sodas…the fine folk in KC have nothing to worry about.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:24 PM
braylon was fucking awesome at michigan. that MSU game his final year there was fucking legend.
December 31st, 2010 at 3:28 PM
I will admit Tressel has played this suspension perfect. He got those kids to say they will come back, so he can play them in the bowl game. Then when they don’t he can play the innocent betrayed coach and the kids will look like villians.
Truly a shady evil genius. Ohio st never had a pristine good reputation so at least he has used that to his advantage and embraced it.
December 31st, 2010 at 4:01 PM
Stoops to ND.
December 31st, 2010 at 4:53 PM
So sad I missed this thread.