ESPN’s Howard Bryant Says Bud Selig and MLB Owners Want a Salary Cap


Historically, 2000 was a significant year in baseball. It was the last year there was even a hint of equality in the sport. The Yankees had the highest payroll ($95 mil), and the team 20th in payroll was the Houston Astros ($50 million). The $45 million difference was not that wide a chasm. In 2010, the gap was tremendous.
The Yankees were again first, but at $206 million; the team 20th in payroll was the KC Royals at $72 million. The gulf has nearly tripled ($134 million). You know we’ve railed on this site for years about a salary cap in baseball in hopes of creating a more level playing field. And we’ve heard your responses – the union won’t let it happen! Get the wealthy owners to open their damn wallets! Many of you have suggested a salary “floor”. Even if there isn’t a consensus on what the solution is, clearly, something needs to be done to bridge the gap between the handful of teams that spend a lot of money and collect the best free agents, and the many teams that are increasingly looking like farm teams to the high rollers.
Well for the first time in awhile – come to think of it, this could be a first time ever – a high-profile ESPN baseball writer has dared to mention the dreaded salary cap. Howard Bryant writes:
Selig understands combining the words “salary” and “cap” is the same in his sport as adding the word “match” to “gunpowder.” As a result, he has placed the impetus for competitive balance on the political leaders of smaller cities, telling them if they fund ballparks their teams will compete. It is an argument that fails to take into account the enormous gap in local television revenue, evidenced by new ballparks in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Milwaukee that haven’t closed the payroll gap. But in truth, both he and the owners still want a salary cap.
Selig wants a cap? The owners do to? WELL BRING IT ON! (bold ours)
Yet if the networks that run the game want big money, marquee talents, especially in an expanded playoff system, they’re not looking for parity. And neither is the public according to viewing preferences. They want superpower teams in New York and Boston, not a salary cap or any type of controls on spending which would limit the ability of the super teams to dominate. Neither television, the Red Sox nor Yankees would seem to embrace the NFL-style parity Selig has long said he’s craved for baseball.
But does the public “want” superpower teams because that’s where the bulk of the talent is located? It all begins with the talent. The stacked teams get the national TV time. They hog the headlines on all the sports websites and on TV. If the talent was more spread out – like in the NFL and NBA – perhaps it all might be different. But it’s difficult to compare the NBA and NFL – two leagues with caps – because in hoops one or two players can carry a “small” market franchise for a decade (see Utah, San Antonio) and in the NFL there’s the gambling/fantasy aspect (plus a much shorter season).
If you mention the massive MLB World Series ratings in the mid-80s (the Yankees and Red Sox weren’t the powers they are now), well, that might as well have been a different century. So if you’re not for a salary cap, how does Selig get to parity before MLB falls behind in the “popularity” race to the NBA?

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December 23rd, 2010 at 1:04 PM
Will MLB fall behind the NBA when they are locked out next year?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:06 PM
What exactly is the statistical significance of comparing the #1 team to the #20 team. 1 vs 30 I understand. Top 5 average vs bottom 5 average I understand. Quartiles, or pentiles or tertiles(?) I understand. Payroll has more than doubled as well, so the spread would be expected to reflect that… Without me looking at the numbers top to bottom, it just seems like cherry-picking.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 PM
I cant wait for Opening Day
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 PM
WWS – I’m more curious about your thoughts on this from the column:
forget my thoughts. what are your thoughts on this?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:09 PM
contract the pirates
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:10 PM
To add onto my note… the gap between #1 and #2 that year I think was high (or has been some years). This coming year, the gap between #1 and #5 will be much smaller (I think there will be quite a few between $150 and $180 mil this year, and if the Yanks keep losing FA’s they may not even be #1)
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 PM
I think you misunderstand what people are saying when they mention a salary floor. A salary floor is not something most owners would be in favor of, while it’s something the MLBPA would most certainly insist on. Therein lies the impasse. Owners want the cap, players want the floor. And what the players want, they usually get.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 PM
the big problem is that revenue sharing is done all wrong.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Exactly. New York makes bank off its local TV revenue simply because the size of the city. There is nothing fair about the discrepancy in spending. It is not the Yankee and Red Sox birthrate to go to the playoffs every year. I might imagine that interest in baseball ACROSS THE COUNTRY would be greatly increased with more competitive teams somewhere other than the East Coast.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:14 PM
So quin Synder, how do you accomplish this? A salary cap? because if you read Bryant …
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:14 PM
I think you can’t maintain a financial competitive balance when you require small market cities to build ballparks and financially support a team competing against teams with higher revenues.
Even worse of a problem is when the Rays or Athletics (ca 1999-2005) are used as examples of why no cap is needed. Teams can make runs (see: Marlins, Florida), but bottom-payroll teams don’t have the resources for long-term success, or the ability to absorb ill-advised contracts (see: Drew, JD).
Pretty sure we agree, I was just confused from a numbers standpoint.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 PM
clearly, something needs to be done
clearly having the 27th vs 10th ranked payrolls play in the WS is evidence enough…
teams need to stop forking out insane amounts of cash for “top tier” FAs just because agents like Boras say that’s what their worth. smart GMs aren’t going to overpay for these guys in the offseason because, well, they would be overpaying. limit contracts instead of payrolls, that would be a step in the right direction.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:16 PM
MLB needs to tinker with their luxury tax. The Yankees only paid 18 million this year. They probably need to make it a dollar for dollar match, instead of the current rate of only 50% (for every dollar a team is over the luxury tax line).
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:17 PM
I think this was Bryant’s shot at the Marlins, too. He’s right.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:17 PM
ut it’s difficult to compare the NBA and NFL – two leagues with caps
And two vastly different cap systems.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:18 PM
Agree completely. So is a salary cap the answer?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 PM
There has to be some kind of spending limit. It’s just that simple. If these baseball owners were truly as good of business men as they imagine themselves to be, they’d understand they could make a lot more CUTTING SPENDING — namely, player salaries. A 56 man football team spends, what, half of the Yankess? And somehow the Jets, Giants, and Patriots find a way to remain competitive. And in basketball, the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics always find a way to remain relevant. Let’s not act like instituting a salary cap is going to be the death of competitive teams in major markets.
And if there is a salary cap, can’t NY still keep that local revenue from TV? Now, instead of paying 25 mil for ARod, its 13 mil. Its a win-win for both the fans and owners.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 PM
I heard on here that the Yankees would use that extra money for scouts and other things to improve their teams. IDK
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 PM
There have been 9 different World Series champions in the last 10 years. Only 6 franchises have failed to make the playoffs in that span.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:21 PM
I think we are on a contract the Royals kick right now.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Again, with the salary floor you’re certain to get along with a salary cap, you’re going to force teams like Pittsburgh, Tampa, the Marlins, and others to overspend on a key free agent veteran to get themselves over the spending limit. They’ll be over the limit, the big market teams will be under the cap, and the competitive landscape will remain largely unchanged.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:24 PM
I’m not so sure this would be the case. Baseball is a very old timey sport, and if it’s not part of the city history, then interest will always lag. Look at Tampa Bay’s interest level during their recent run.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:24 PM
I heard on here that the Yankees would use that extra money for scouts and other things to improve their teams. IDK
Also see: Red Wings, Detroit
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:24 PM
I wish I new. I was in Pittsburgh right when they opened the new (beautiful) stadium. It was a nice experience to go to games, but I’m a New Englander just looking for a nice few hours. When owners take revenue-sharing money for themselves, the die-hard fans stop going to games. I think a salary floor is the reason that the NFL has parity, not a salary cap. If you mandated a $100 million payroll, and a floating luxury tax to support it, why wouldnt that stabilize salaries in absence of a hard (or even soft) cap?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:25 PM
what about the economics in your rookie-first few years in big leads vs average player vs star player vs super star? What is the gap? I’m sure its a whole lot wider than other sports (except nfl rookies). I’m sure you could cut some money there. IDK
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:26 PM
That’s a different issue, and Bill Simmons actually hits on that pretty well. 3.5-4 hour games, late start times, too many commercials, and rebuffing the internet culture alienates new fans.
/don’t get me started on instant replay
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:26 PM
More powerful labor union? Any teacher’s Unions or the MLB Players union?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 PM
I’d also argue that there are national baseball teams that are not “stacked”. I’m a fan of one of them.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Now now. Don’t be jealous of a front office that has a clue. Not all front offices can be has horrible as the Oilers.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:28 PM
All of this.
Add to this, the movement to use advanced statistics had to come from the outside of the sport.
/don’t use this comment as an excuse to start a numbers holy war.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:28 PM
I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again, I’m sure, but the way you’re measuring “popularity” between the NBA and MLB seems disingenuous. MLB is light years ahead of any sport in long term financial stability and is basically even with the NFL in overall revenues. Now, the massiveness of baseball’s system definitely plays a part in making revenue #s bigger and the profit levels are not close to the NFL but I’m fascinated by this concept that the NBA is even competitive. As for what this article is saying “the owners want a salary cap” – that’s basically what the 1994 strike was about. The owners wanted a salary cap. This isn’t progress
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 PM
very well put
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 PM
* $75 million salary floor would be more appropriate given 2010 salaries
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries/teams
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 PM
Christie for MLB Commissioner!!!
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:29 PM
I think this would just be a win for the owners.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:30 PM
The NBA cap system is just awful.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:30 PM
And look no further than the lolMets for evidence that spending like a drunken sailor doesn’t guarantee you anything.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Now now. Don’t be jealous of a front office that has a clue. Not all front offices can be has horrible as the Oilers.
Not a hint of jealousy there JHS (well ok a little), it was actually a compliment to the Wings.
They have the financial resources available to maintain the best front office in hockey (Holland, Nil, Yzerman before he left) as well as top notch North American and European scouts. Those salaries don’t count against the cap, obviously, so good on them for using the resources to their advantage.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:31 PM
IMO, baseball plays 160 too many games each year.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 PM
I think the fans need to go on strike for a year. Demand lower ticket prices, etc.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 PM
If contracts were guaranteed, those teams would all be stuck in salary cap hell right now. The Patriots especially have benefitted from a front office willing to cut ties with important players, and a management philosophy of interchangeable parts and personal accountability to whatever job must get done.
I don’t think a salary cap would serve high-market teams well in a sport with fully guaranteed contracts. Instead, a salary floor will maintain enough cash flow to the players to keep the unions happy, and a floating luxury tax to keep the richer teams under some control.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 PM
and rebuffing the internet culture alienates new fans.
This is another popular concept that irks me. MLB is a weird culture of fandom to begin with. They’re actually great at servicing their existing fans on the internet. MLB.tv is a spectacular thing that is actually more accessible than the NFL’s corollary, Sunday Ticket. They might be missing some “new markets” but the way MLB makes money is to fully exploit available markets. They do a great job
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 PM
Agree. You’re not taking money out of the players’ pockets.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:33 PM
Hey now, the oil change is in process. Now only if they could hire some hypnotists to convince elite players to play in Edmonton.
/Hossa and Heatley’d
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:34 PM
The Pirates will still suck. Get a GM/Owner that actually cares about winning and you’ll see improvements.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:35 PM
PS: My brilliant suggestion to the NFL cap is to lower the cap hit by 10% every year a player is with a team. Rewards good drafting, and keeps popular players with the team long-term
/This comment sponsored by Patriots fans for Lawyer Milloy
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:35 PM
It just seems to me that railing against large market teams that spend too much is like treating the symptoms instead of the disease. If I were a fan of a small market team like KC or Pitt, I’d be more angry at the owner/management of my own team rather than the Yankees/Red Sox/etc. It’s been proven that small market teams can compete on a regular basis (Minn).
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:36 PM
I believe you’re looking for “holy WAR”.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:36 PM
A floor is definitely not part of the solution, and a cap probably isn’t either. But increased revenue sharing is. Lower the luxury tax line and get the rich teams paying more into “the pot.” But MLB also needs to make sure that revenue sharing dollars are used for the team taking the funds, whether it be in the draft, free agents, building facilities in Venezuela or whatever.
And just for the fun of it, the white sox suck!
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Hey now, the oil change is in process. Now only if they could hire some hypnotists to convince elite players to play in Edmonton.
/Hossa and Heatley’d
Oh how easy the young ones forget the period from 1967 to the mid-90′s.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 PM
Ah, fair enough. Much like you missed the Legends and Leaders joke, I missed that you were serious. I’ll chalk it up to the cultural divide.
have you ever seen this Jags logo – I was from before the team actually played a game – there are a few items still floating around down here with that logo on it
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 PM
I’ve never really put it all together but I would like to write a treatise (book concept) on the ways the MLB union and the owner have actually benefitted each other underneath all their open displays of animosity. I think it’s an interesting business paradigm that could have far-reaching benefits for other giant companies
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 PM
no one seems to mention that that nature off baseball itself is much different than either basketball or football. lesser talented/poorly coached teams will beat better teams more frequently in baseball than in the other two sports, mainly because an unexpected great performance from a lesser talented player can single-handedly be the determining factor in a win. you could argue that it’s possible in basketball, but that player rarely dominates from start to finish, and no player in football plays on both sides of the ball during a (professional) game. you see a starting pitcher or hitter perform above their talent level on a regular basis in baseball.
/rant that probably makes little sense
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Why are they so anal about the YouTube thing then? I don’t think any other of the “major sports” has the restrictions that MLB has. It’s just silly.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:38 PM
Also, MLB had a way to monetize a friggin’ iphone/ipod touch app before the NFL even had an app period. Does the NFL or NBA even have an app that allows you to watch games live? Saying that MLB is behind the times when it comes to new media or “internet culture” is patently absurd.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:39 PM
I don’t want to be that guy who violently defends an opinion in a comment thread where there is no right/wrong, but… revenue sharing is flawed because teams refuse to spend the money on players. Owners can keep the revenue and turn a profit with lousy teams. The marginal cost of each victory, isn’t worth it. Now you just give the Pirates owners 20 million MORE reasons to have a shitty team.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:39 PM
have you ever seen this Jags logo – I was from before the team actually played a game – there are a few items still floating around down here with that logo on it
I’ve seen that logo, but not for years. One thing that sucks about being an NFL fan here is that it is impossible to find merchandise for teams other than the Cowboys/Steelers/Pats/etc.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:40 PM
It’s been proven that small market teams can compete on a regular basis (Minn).
And *ahem* Oakland who *ahem* was struggling with this profitability vs. competitive performance issue back in the 1970s. Before baseball lost all apparent relevance
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:40 PM
/sounds like my prom night
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:41 PM
For those who remember my last “incident”… using Pitt for the city instead of the school bothers me almost as much as using ‘literally’ to mean ‘figuratively’.
/Mostly because I went to Pitt and hate the Steelers, and don’t want the two to share anything at all
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:41 PM
People are currently skating and sledding in our ballpark………..fuck.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:41 PM
agree with this, but some commenters here don’t
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:42 PM
And in the same timeframe, the NBA had five different champions, but the Lakers had five of them and appeared in the finals an additional two times. If the Lakers had won those two finals, there would be only three different champions.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Stark – in regards to “popularity”, this is what the Hollywood Reporter cited:
bold mine. the “coveted” demo is 18-49.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:43 PM
Minnesota used to spend very little, but the Twins are now a top 10 payroll…. that makes no sense to me.
I bet if SD added $60 mil onto their payroll, they’d keep competing for division titles too.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:44 PM
That’s why I said that MLB needs to monitor how revenue sharing funds are spent.
The only thing worse than a salary floor would be to have hard slotting system in the draft. That would KILL baseball.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:44 PM
The NFL does, but you have to be a Sunday Ticket subscriber to get it.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Me too. Everyone should know Pitt stands for that school with a wannabe fan base who can’t sell out a NFL stadium. Yet all the fans claim they are die hard.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:46 PM
so the eyeballs of ages outside that range don’t count?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:46 PM
I don’t know that there is a huge disparity in talent #1-#15 in MLB. The problem is with the teams that year-to-year have no shot at winning (Pittsburgh, KC, Florida, Oakland, Chi Cubs).
A salary floor would force those owners to make an effort and give them all of them a shot at the playoffs
/four out of five’d
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:46 PM
It’s jarring to see highlights from the 70′s with players hitting HR’s into completely vacant outfield bleachers.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Names please.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Like I said, TBL, I think that’s a flawed way to measure it. Popularity is great but you have to, as lefty said above, monetize it. MLB is an old business that has stayed plugged into the way money moves more than any other sport. I like the NBA more in a vague general way myself but you know what? I’m much more likely to spend money on baseball, either by going to games, buying apparel or subscribing to their internet services which are trying so hard to rebuff me
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:47 PM
So depending on where you live, you might not be able get it. Awesome. Sounds forward thinking to me.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:47 PM
MLB was following me on twitter. then, when i’d post links to videos of MLB moments, they’d quickly have them scrubbed off twitter.
so i blocked MLB.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:47 PM
new stadium
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I’m hardly die-hard, though I’m loyal to my alma mater.
PS I was surprised to find out that the Rooneys sold the Steelers
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:48 PM
you can’t use a boston/la finals rating as your baseline, that’s the pinnacle for nba finals. as good as the philly market is, a yankees/cubs ws would probably be the best case scenario for mlb ratings.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Yankees – Dodgers is the mlb dream, ill
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:49 PM
No, a salary floor would force owners to give shitty contracts to shitty players. That is not how you build a winning team. Giving out these shitty contracts would force managers to play these shitty players instead of developing young players who are still paid on the rookie scale. The salary floor argument is THE WORST argument in the world. It would hurt teams, not help.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Because from what I can tell, the Patriots now OWN them.
/Love it when Steelers fans try to hate the Pats for any reason other than repeatedly beating them at the Big Ketchup Bottle over and over again.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:50 PM
Yankees – Dodgers is the mlb dream, ill
yeah, i thought about that after i posted. LA may be above, but the cubs aren’t far behind.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 PM
So the salary floor only works with non-guaranteed contracts, is what you mean to say. And a salary floor doesnt force shitty contracts. AJ Burnett and John Lackey didn’t get $80 mil because the Sox/Yanks were getting penalized if they didn’t pass the $160 million mark.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 PM
oh, and fuck desean jackson. i hope he contracts AIDS for christmas.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:51 PM
C’mon new guy. Your steeler hate is admirable. However you can’t go responding to your own posts like that.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:52 PM
i spent more money on baseball games this year than NBA/NFL combined. summer thing – nothing on TV, no other sports happening. luckily, i live in btwn 2 good MLB markets (Yanks, Mets, Phillies).
i watched more NBA in the first month of the season than MLB all year.
I watched more NFL in 2 weeks than MLB all year.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:52 PM
If both the Cubs and Red Sox had made the world series in 2003, it would have been the most watched series in history of existence.
/off topic’d
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Agree with this, and this is also why a salary cap is a bad idea. If there’s a cap, there will be a floor. Next thing you know, players like Werth and Lee are getting ARod Texas level money to play in KC and Pittsburgh, and nothing will have changed. Smart front offices will continue to be competitive, dumb ones won’t.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Ladies and gentlemen… I present to you, the long awaited solution to the Zombie Apocalypse.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Whatever it is, you see my point about MLB making money, right?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 PM
I fucking hate that cocksucker tom brady and belicheck because they took a shovel, and ripped my heart out twice in 01 and 04. Is that fair?
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:53 PM
I’ll take the business model that generates the money.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 PM
agree
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 PM
it would have been the most watched series in history of existence.
Or since about 1989, anyway.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:55 PM
I fucking hate that cocksucker tom brady and belicheck because they took a shovel, and ripped my heart out twice in 01 and 04. Is that fair?
You got 6 rings…………..fuck off!
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:55 PM
That’s cherry picking two bad contracts given by teams at the top of payrolls. Let’s say you are the pirates with a 40 million payroll. You’re no where near competing for a division title. But the floor is 50 millino. Now you have to throw 10 million at some player who isn’t going to help you be competitive. But if that 10 million were thrown into the draft? That makes a HUGE difference. A salary floor will NOT help teams compete. It will help put money in the players pockets.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:55 PM
there are many ways to gauge popularity.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:55 PM
You inadvertently stumbled upon the biggest issue. With guaranteed contracts, if a small market MLB team makes a mistake, they’re ruined for the length of the contract. In the NFL, the player can just be cut and the team can then move on and work to improve the following year.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Smart front offices will continue to be competitive, dumb ones won’t.
This is the way it works in the NHL which operates with a hard salary cap/floor. The Rangers have infinitely more resources than the Nashville Predators but they aren’t more successful on the ice.
/I’d argue that revenue sharing is broken in the NHL though
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:56 PM
I’m not that kind of guy that does the, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGS
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 PM
West Coast. Doesn’t count.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 PM
if the coyotes partake in sharing then I agree.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Would you rather force good players to take less money to play there? Are you okay with there just being a few teams with no chance to compete? You’d rather share more revenue, without having the recipients spend the money? What’s the point? And dumb teams will not be competitive and will give out shitty contracts at ANY payroll.
If the money spent on payroll isnt the reason for competitive imbalance the whole post isn’t valid, and this discussion is moot.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 PM
San Jose is another example.
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Watsonian, you’re right to a degree but you’re discounting the fact that those $10M are coming out of shared revenue. And you can put together one hell of a bullpen for about $10M
December 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 PM
San Jose is another example.
Sharks are top 10 in salary, but I get where you are going.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 PM
signed, a Blockbuster executive in 2000
/I don’t know who Netflix is in this
//change is a good thing
///that’s the NBA charging hard from the outside
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I’m not that kind of guy that does the, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGS
But to hear you bitch about fairness…..please.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 PM
IS there a post coming on how the Devils have run their franchise into the ground? No? Suck it Devils.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Look at one of my first posts. I said that MLB would have to make sure that teams were spending that money on baseball operations. That could be salary, draft bonuses, scouting, building academies, whatever.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:01 PM
West Coast. Doesn’t count.
Ha! Don’t I know it. I’m one of the non-readers of this site making a living by exporting douche from L.A. I was just saying 1989 as the year before ESPN started broadcasting baseball and as a year around when the percentage of U.S. homes with cable went over 50%, changing the ratings game for the original 3 networks
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Props for that Mantis, and props for honesty on why you hate them… but doesn’t Kordell Stewart deserve a large portion of the blame from ’01?
/Big Ben is one hard mf-er to take down
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:01 PM
I agree. Look at the lolMets and lolCubs. Big time payrolls, very little competitiveness. Competitive imbalance happens all the time in leagues with salary caps, too. The Lions went 0-16. They won zero games in a season. The Patriots went undefeated through the regular season. The difference between that Patriots team and that Lions team had nothing to do with payroll, it had to do with how smart and effective the respective front offices were.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 PM
You could, but if you are the Pirates, with no starting pitching and no offense, having a good bullpen won’t make you compete. Dumping that money into the draft could help you quite a bit in a few years though.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 PM
I could get behind an operational floor. As long as we use the word ‘floor’ I’ll feel like I won something.
On another note, what about trading draft picks? Will it ever be a good idea or help/hurt small market teams (when most picks are 3 years away from any sort of impact)
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Again, MLB is lightyears ahead of the NBA as far as new and innovative revenue streams. And they’re not looking at an impending work stoppage. Just to get the facts out there.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Unless he’s got you in a nightclub bathroom.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:04 PM
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:05 PM
/I don’t know who Netflix is in this
//change is a good thing
///that’s the NBA charging hard from the outside
And the NBA goes down. They’re calling a foul on MLB, but I think the NBA just flopped Marv.
Either way this looks bad. It looks like the NBA might be out for the entire 2011 season.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:05 PM
The NBA is NOT charging hard from the outside. That moment has passed. The NBA is in a bad place relative to MLB because their fearless leader, most popular commissioner in sports David Stern, built revenues based on a “Star model” of business that has necessary peaks & valleys based on the available talent. MLB has never based their entire money-making strategy on a PR concept. PR is horrible for MLB in the U.S. and it has been for a long time. Bud Selig is a hateful individual but he has actually guided the league to solid ground from the low point of 1994 up to now.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Get games under 3 hours and maybe I won’t start watching in the 7th inning every time.
Also, @younglefty, so you think MLB is financially okay as it is? No need for cap of any sort?
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:06 PM
I am getting so pissed that I’m still at work.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Problem solved. Now if only Bud Selig would return my calls.
I think this would be awesome. It would add a little excitement to the draft.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Exactly. By limiting the amount of money teams are able to spend, winning comes down to competence not bankroll.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Dumping that money into the draft could help you quite a bit in a few years though.
There’s no reason this couldn’t be accounted for in a salary cap model for MLB. The way players move between the majors and minors throughout the season sort of necessitates this being part of the equation
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:08 PM
yankees/sawx world series!!!
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays folks. See you in the comments after the holidays. It’s time to get schwasted with the family.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Baseball was a failure in ’94. First time fans were ever standing up for themselves and refusing to buy tickets. Good thing Selig legalized steroids to get the fans back in the seats.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:10 PM
i think some of you are looking at the wrong $ argument. nobody has ever said MLB isn’t lucrative. From Bryant:
that’s GREAT for the sport
/sarcasm
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:10 PM
I think this would be awesome. It would add a little excitement to the draft.
Yes! The Orioles grabbed an extra 34th round pick from the Mets for Kevin Millwood!!!! Who will they take?!!
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:10 PM
I’d tweak the revenue sharing model, and tinker with the luxury tax, but a hard salary cap isn’t going to “fix” the alleged “problems”. If the Pirates wanted to be a competitive baseball team, they could be. The owner clearly has different priorities. Anyway, even if there was a Pirates-Royals World Series one day, as a result of the fancy new salary cap, we’d get a billion columns, articles, and blog posts about how MLB is in trouble due to low World Series ratings.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Spence, you already got your manifesto written ready to send to the NCAA offices? Dont forget to get to the post office early enough to mail it today!
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:12 PM
I’m sure they’d get a 4.3 rating just from all the snowmen watching in Hell
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:12 PM
I’m sure they’d get a 4.3 rating just from all the snowmen watching in Hell
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:14 PM
no. fuck pryor. how the fuck do you sell gold pants and call yourself a buckeye?
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:16 PM
I blame special teams giving up two TDs way more than Kordell on that game.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:18 PM
I’m of the opinion the NBA is charging hard. (feel free to disagree) increase in ratings helps. i already linked the Finals beating the World Series in a key demo.
I’m sure ESPN’s big contract with the league hasn’t hurt.
and now, I’m off to play some hoops w/ the college kids.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:19 PM
The strike in 1994 ruined baseball. It still hasn’t recovered from that. And the un-watchable National TV coverage from the brutal FOX (Buck/McCarver) and ESPN (Miller/Morgan) booths haven’t helped.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:20 PM
in 1984 the Padres / Tigers world series got a 27.7 rating in game 1
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:21 PM
// oh and the whole steroid era thing
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:21 PM
the draft is already exciting
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 PM
you really think fans gave a flying fuck? i sure as hell didn’t. i like watching DINGERS, brah.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Riggs, I liked you quoting yourself. Why’d you go with Riggs instead of McIntyre? Just curious
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Chick dig the long ball.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:28 PM
Can’t wait to see the ratings in the coveted demo when the NBA is locked out next season.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:29 PM
In 1984, there were about 40 cable channels.
There are probably 100 times that number of channels now, couple with internet based entertainment. TV ratings from 30+ years ago are virtually unattainable nowadays.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:29 PM
If people really gave a shit about athletes using steroids, people wouldn’t watch the NFL, NCAA football or any form of fighting.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Got a gravatar/avatar/picture thingy
Technology: 0
WWOS: +1
/unless it doesn’t show up next to my name
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Damn, technology just burned your ass
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Last name = Riggins
I’ve been called Riggs since middle school
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Good Lord it died in here. Still at work. Kill me now.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:40 PM
I’m at work too, CJ. Riggs – I was making a funny joke about how you’re actually TBL. I’m going to refer to you as Riggo from now on, though, just because your last name is Riggins
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:41 PM
I don’t know, using a ratings victory to your argument’s advantage makes one sound a lot like Eric Bischoff during WCW’s heyday. A lot of good that did them.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Same here, but I hope to leave in 15 minutes or so. So I got that going for me. Which is nice.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:43 PM
While it did initially “save” the sport, the whole steroid thing was HORRIBLE for baseball in the long run! Once the names started coming out and they were referred to as cheating it ruined the reputation of the sport. That’s why Bonds and Mcguire will be 1st ballot HOF’s…. right? Because the fans/media love them.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Also a common nick name used for me back in the day. thanks for the memories
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:47 PM
or the ability to absorb ill-advised contracts (see: Drew, JD).
I don’t think you get to yell at duffy anymore.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Then I guess all sports ratings should be down too right? Or just baseball?
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Who wrote that?
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 PM
I can’t believe I missed that. Good thing too or I would have had a shit fit.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 PM
New guy that yells at Duffy and enjoys the work of Bruce Campbell.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Well, it’s more the fact that the comparison between tv ratings in 1984 and today are irrelevant for any program, be it baseball, 60 minutes, or anything.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:54 PM
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:55 PM
t-minus 5 minutes
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:55 PM
This thread was retarded
unless the second half improved from where I quit…this rulers bullshit has gotten oldBut not bullshit.
December 23rd, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Fuck, blaming the beer for that quote fail
December 23rd, 2010 at 3:13 PM
So you’re not really a big baseball fan. This is clear. Why are you always trying to fix things that plenty of people like?
December 23rd, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Annoyed I missed the beginning of the post…because the constant comparisons between the NBA and MLB are beyond retarded. But I gues I’ve come to expect that here. Whatever. You like the NBA; you don’t like MLB.
Get over it.
December 23rd, 2010 at 3:31 PM
I left and came back, what’s the problem with insulting the JD Drew contract? Why are crackerjack’s/87′s panties bunched up over it?
/outbidding yourself is ill-advised, as is giving $75 mil to a RF with a bad back. I stand by that statement.
December 23rd, 2010 at 3:38 PM
I agree with WWoS. JD Drew is terrible. I’ve seen him strike out with runners in scoring position many times.
December 23rd, 2010 at 4:06 PM
I did not write about J.D. Drew. And I get to yell at Duffy as much as I want. He writes for a blog that pretends to be about sports, and knows next to nothing about the sports he writes about.
December 23rd, 2010 at 4:09 PM
God this shit is retarded.
Basically TBL picking and finding things to go with his view and deeming the shit as fucking gospel.
December 23rd, 2010 at 4:42 PM
MLB’s biggest problem is trying to follow the NBA’s model of selling itself to large markets. MLB has hitched their wagon to the Yankees and Red Sox and done nothing to try to diversify interest in different teams.
The NBA needs to have a big-market/star team in the Finals every year. It’s been the case for every year of Stern’s regime, except for the San Antonio-Cavs finals, which had abysmal ratings.
Putting your head in the sand and saying the NBA’s financial model is just fine while a work stoppage looms and teams lose money makes you look ignorant, which appears to be the status quo, I guess.
December 24th, 2010 at 2:16 AM
For all that is holy, please stop comparing TV ratings from almost 30 years ago with today’s numbers. It is like comparing a brick to an apple.
December 24th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Dear taguchi, 87, cracker jack,
I just went back to look at as much video as possible to make sure of this. JD Drew sucks. It’s confirmed. No more debate, and anyone who comes up with sabermetrics showing otherwise, probably doesn’t understand enough statistics to cite them anyway. Have you ever done a situational average expected run analysis? Or are you too busy anal-raping OPS?