Cam Newton and the NFL Draft: Which Teams Are Most Likely to Draft Him in April?
Cam Newton’s very, very likely to declare for the NFL draft after the National Championship game. He’s probably played his way into the first round of the NFL draft, if you believe guys like Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Peter King, or anyone who has watched a few of Auburn’s games this season. What team is most likely to draft him? We’ll whittle down the options, just like we did last month during the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
Don’t need a QB/Are very highly unlikely to pick one in the first round (18):
AFC: Patriots, Jets, Steelers, Ravens, Jaguars, Colts, Texans, Chiefs, Chargers
NFC: Eagles, Giants, Cowboys, Bears, Packers, Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Rams
Teams that could give Newton some thought, but have some questions to answer prior to the draft (5)
Bengals – What becomes of Carson “Pick Six” Palmer? He turns 31 in a couple weeks. Can they move him? At 2-10, maybe they decide to ditch Marvin Lewis and Carson Palmer and start over.
Broncos – Do you like Kyle Orton? He’s tailed off the last few weeks after a strong start. Plus, 2010 1st rounder Tim Tebow is waiting in the wings. Unlikely they’d take Newton … but let’s wait to see what they do with the coaching situation.
Redskins - Donovan McNabb’s actually had a solid season. But they can save a lot of money by cutting him after this season.
Lions – As mentioned in the Luck post, Detroit’s sunk $41 into Matthew Stafford, whose career so far has been plagued by injuries. Slim chance they take a chance on Newton considering all the holes that need filling, but has this franchise done anything conventional in the last few years?
Oakland - The coach likes Bruce Gradkowski. The owner likes Jason Campbell (who went to Auburn). If the Raiders can stop the run next year and protect the QB a little better, they will contend with the Chargers/Chiefs in the AFC West. But if you’re picking around 16th, do you build for the future with Newton, or is the Campbell/Gradkowski combo good enough to get you through the next few years?
Teams that probably have him on the board in their War Room (9)
Carolina – But probably will have the first pick and take Andrew Luck.
Buffalo – Likely to have a Top 5 pick. Chan Gailey likes Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Newton, based on 14 games, probably doesn’t go in the Top 5 unless he wows at the combine, too.
Arizona - Desperate for a QB. Since the Cards will be picking in the Top 10, would they consider Jake Locker or Ryan Mallet ahead of Newton?
San Francisco – Hard-up for a QB. First order of business is to decide whether or not to retain Singletary. Newton would have weapons for early success (Gore, Davis, Crabtree).
Minnesota - This would be very favorable. Peterson, Rice, Harvin … if Newton lands here, playing on the turf indoors … wow, Vikings could be deadly. If I’m Mr. Zygi Wilf, I tell Favre to chill out and relax, I tell Percy Harvin to rest up, and I start giving Toby Gerhart more carries over the final three games.
Tennessee – A popular idea for a landing spot. Do they keep Vince Young and let Jeff Fisher go? Let both go?
Cleveland - Colt McCoy has done some nice things in his rookie season (with weak skill players around him).
Seattle – They don’t really think Charlie Whitehurst is the future, do they?
Miami - Chad Henne’s been awful, Chad Pennington is probably done, and Tyler Thigpen is a career backup. With the Wildcat already built in, plus Brandon Marshall, the Dolphins could be dangerous next year.
We’d say (today) the most likely landing spots are San Francisco (19th-ish pick), Minnesota (12h-ish pick) and Miami (20th-ish pick), but as a Jets fan, we hope he doesn’t end up with the Dolphins.

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December 15th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Rice is a free agent and no sure thing to come back. Also, Newton’s gonna get him the ball? I don’t know. I’m not sold on him as a QB, at all. Hell of an athlete, and it’s easy to blow past college players, but good luck doing that with the same ease in the pros. Just ask Reggie Bush.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole in the first round.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I doubt they would draft Vince Young 2.0.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
this. unless you are in desperate need of a tightend
December 15th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
I’d be surprised if the Jags didn’t take a QB in the first 2 or 3 rounds this summer. But with the way Garrard has played they can probably afford to groom a guy for a year, maybe Ponder?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:49 PM
Small Sanchez size.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:49 PM
There are some QB’s that are either FA’s or likely to be traded rigth? i.e. Kolb. Any others?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
You mean ‘like’ like?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
They took the Droy last year in the draft. The year before that they took Stafford. Two years before that they took Megatron. So…. huh?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:51 PM
I’d turn him into a Brad Smith clone. Bet he’d be pretty good at that.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:51 PM
i like the idea of Killa in Tenn
December 15th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Miami (20th-ish pick), but as a Jets fan, we hope he doesn’t end up with the Dolphins.
Can he be much more than a bigger Pat White in the NFL? Wonder if Newton plays baseball.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
very fitting that verne butchered that highlight. i still like him but hes lost his mind
December 15th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
i am curious to see who the dipshit is that takes locker.
At 2-10, maybe they decide to ditch Marvin Lewis
and how has this guy kept his job?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
i think their new stadium is gonna be without a roof
December 15th, 2010 at 1:53 PM
‘
The Lions M.O. is to draft the best player on the board these days. That’s why I hope that Patty P is available when they pick.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Skins need to cut McNabb and draft a qb in the first rd. Newton or Mallett unless they want to trade up for Luck. They need to revamp the team and cut all of the older guys and dead weight who will not be able to contribute 3-4 years from now when they could conceivably compete again.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:53 PM
thank you.
i mean, terrelle pryor has no shot to be an NFL QB and he’s in an offense that actually forces him to be a quarterback and everyone says that he’s gotta move to WR or TE (which i agree with completely, btw), meanwhile cam newton, a guy who hasn’t read a defense outside of an option, is a 1st round QB?
makes no sense.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
really because the 1.0 version has done wonders there
December 15th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole in the first round.
agreed. i’m a firm believer in taking strictly offensive and defensive linemen in the 1st round. i don’t care how good a qb looks coming out of college.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
I don’t think anyone was talking about Ohio State, were they?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:56 PM
really because the 1.0 version has done wonders there
you say he is a tight end. you so smart
December 15th, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Having to suppress the desire to kill Gary Danielson on a weekly basis takes its toll
December 15th, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Yeah. That’s a good idea.
/Keep letting Carimi drop… please.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:57 PM
it’s pertinent to the argument.
then again, we could always talk about the colts. i know how much you like hijacking threads with peyton talk.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:58 PM
Sanders getting it from everybody today
December 15th, 2010 at 1:58 PM
I don’t think anyone was talking about Ohio State, were they?
nope. but somehow them or the jets always squeeze in to the covnversation.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
I don’t know that the Vikes would take him given that they need a QB for the now, not the future. I rather like the idea of them trading for Kolb (if Andy Reid would let him go).
In any case, he’d be a better fit in Arizona or Miami — teams that can spread defenses out and open up running lanes for him and that wouldn’t be so desperate for instant success — or the Redskins — whose offensive line might get a more conventional QB killed.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
i keep this. so when he turns into a complete bust at qb is told he should move his big ass to tight end i can say “hey irish rememba that one time when i was right and you were wrong?” if VY cant work at Tenn then I dont cam working there
December 15th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Skins need to cut McNabb and draft a qb in the first rd. Newton or Mallett unless they want to trade up for Luck. They need to revamp the team and cut all of the older guys and dead weight who will not be able to contribute 3-4 years from now when they could conceivably compete again.
dear god no. they need to draft all offensive linemen with their 4 (stop trading picks away!!!!!!) picks this year. stick it out another year with mcnabb and hope they can get younger as fast as possible.
the skins are a minimum of 3 years away from being decent. too many holes to fill.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I know, I do that all the time.
One of those days.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Jets announced they have suspended Sal Alosi indefinitely because they discovered he instructed players to form a wall on sidelines.
Per Schefter, dirty fucking pool.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I don’t think Terrelle Pryor or Cam Newton is getting moved from QB in the league. I think they’re both sink or swim behind center. I like the idea of Newton in SF if they don’t try to play him basically at all next year. Minnesota is a train wreck for the next couple of years. I’m not sold on Newton as a 1st rounder but I also think the “depth” of this QB crop is wildly overstated. It’s Luck and a bunch of also-rans and reaches
December 15th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
way to work the jets into the convo
December 15th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
Jets announced they have suspended Sal Alosi indefinitely because they discovered he instructed players to form a wall on sidelines.
is everyone from up there named sal or sully?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
You want the Jets to draft an offensive lineman? Why?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
lol fine mrejr ill remember that too. i get the comparison to vince young, i just think Killa has a better arm
December 15th, 2010 at 2:02 PM
so you jump on my shit for bringing up a valid comparison in terms of players in order to back up my opinion?
/wanking motion
December 15th, 2010 at 2:02 PM
It appears that VY not working has much to do with issues with his personality than ability. You could win with Vince Young if he had the head of someone stable and ambitious.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:02 PM
way to work the jets into the convo
dammit, sorry about that.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:02 PM
I’m buying the conspiracy theory that Zack Thomas put out there that Rexy had them there intentionally for that very reason…can’t fire the guy and give him a reason to start snitchin’
December 15th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
/Keep letting Carimi drop… please.
You want the Jets to draft an offensive lineman? Why?
Further protect Senor Checkdown?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Isn’t sal alosi the same guy they already suspended?
/double not so secret suspension
December 15th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
I don’t think Newton is going to be a very good NFL QB.
The Vikings will have just gotten rid of T-Joke, why would they want another version?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Rawr!
December 15th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Since 2001!
Don’t think Cam is the play here. I see us signing a Pennington type player in free agency, drafting a line position or secondary, and trying to get a QB in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. Much cheaper, doesn’t have the weight of all those expectations and such.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Because I want them to win.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Raiders don’t have a first round pick.
/Seymour
December 15th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Can someone please explain the fascination with Jake Locker?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
All 6 NFC QBs currently projected to go to the playoffs taken within first 32 picks. 3 of the AFC teams have first round QBs and Rivers and Manning are knocking on the door. Could be 11 of 12 teams. Foolish to ignore a big time QB.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
People are pissy today. Did someone fuck everyone’s girlfriends last night or kill your dogs?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Why’d you link to that girl Sanders? Are you asking Spencer what he thinks of her acting ability?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:06 PM
this.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
personnel decisions in the NFL might be the easiest in all of sports, yet time and time again peole completely fuck them up.
i’d like a three year pilot as an NFL GM.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Damn. That is pretty fucking unreal.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
I’m in a fine mood, semester is over and a return to trivia tonight
/drunj
December 15th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
But… the OL… is… good already?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
The Lions are not drafting a QB.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
what’s easy about it?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
That’s the one and only Gina Carano. As for why, well…I like it.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Oh TBL, fuck yo moderation!!!!!
December 15th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Did someone fuck everyone’s girlfriends last night
…
December 15th, 2010 at 2:09 PM
Cam – VY comparisons are like hitting the easy button. Never mind that VY’s had serious emotional issues, while Cam seems very well composed, crucial for success in the NFL.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:09 PM
get out of here w/ your facts King of Elephants
December 15th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Gina is dumber than shit but I bet she could fuck like a champ
December 15th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
For the love of Hossa, this. It’s far more irritating than any of the other distractions/bugs/recycled arguments or posts.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Why has there been a lot of comments about moderation lately? Do I just say the correct thing all the time and so I don’t get moderated?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
i’m in a great mood it’s when people atart talking shit about the rock or HBK is when i get peeved
December 15th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
You got this one? Ok, cool.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
I saw “gawker” in your link, Jersey, and I got scared that I would lose all my personal data & informations if I clicked on it
December 15th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
If the Bears keep Jerry “I’m a fucking horrible offensive draft pick analyizer” Angelo just because they might make the playoffs this year, there’s a good chance I’ll be forced to go on a killing spree. Then again there might not even be any football next year so what do I care?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
I don’t really want the Vikings to draft Cam, but he is a million times better version of QB than T-Sack ever hopes to be.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Jets announced they have suspended Sal Alosi indefinitely because they discovered he instructed players to form a wall on sidelines.
You know, between Ines Sainz, Favre & Sterger/masseuses (happened with Jets) and now Sal Alosi, the Jets are having one hell of year.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
personnel decisions in the NFL might be the easiest in all of sports, yet time and time again peole completely fuck them up
just because the Redskins cant draft, dont group in the rest of the league GMs
December 15th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Hahaha/ Naw, its just a gif of Chappelle getting all fuck yo couch-y.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
pki – you might not even notice that your comments are in moderation. It happens to about 1 in every 10 that I submit. It’s just a little blue text that says “this comment is in moderation” next to your name after you submit
December 15th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
remember how much of a composed leader VY was when he was a man amongst boys in college? He starts playing against people as fast and big as him and pro defenses we’ll see how composed he is at qb
December 15th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
/begins writing headline and article
//because he’s going no where
December 15th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
hope sal got a nice payoff for taking the fall for rex
December 15th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
People are pissy today. Did someone fuck everyone’s girlfriends last night or kill your dogs?
Naw, they just fucked the dog.
/oh wait that was…YOUR MOM!
//kidding
December 15th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
All 6 NFC QBs currently projected to go to the playoffs taken within first 32 picks. 3 of the AFC teams have first round QBs and Rivers and Manning are knocking on the door. Could be 11 of 12 teams. Foolish to ignore a big time QB.
the packers and chargers don’t really apply, they had a good started firmly in place when they drafted. the saints, bears and iggles didn’t draft their current qbs, so i’m not sure how they are considered good draft picks.
peyton is a once in a lifetime qb, not exactly applicable here.
if you have a strong supporting cast (mainly an oline), by all means, spend that high draft pick on a qb.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Has the Wildcat offense been effective the past two years?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Weak skill players? But I thought Massaqoui was top 5?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Can’t argue with that, but look how 1st round QB picks set back teams not in the playoffs/on the bubble: SF, Oak, Clev, Tenn, AZ, Hou, Buffalo, etc…
Its a double edge sword. You miss and you’re stuck in purgatory for a few (if your lucky) years.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:15 PM
at what?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:16 PM
top 5 goes like this
1. Hakeem Nicks
2. Hakeem Nicks
3. Hakeem Nicks
4. Hakeem Nicks
5. Hakeem Nicks
/mrejr with the way back machine meme
December 15th, 2010 at 2:16 PM
The Rock and HBK are gay.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:16 PM
But I thought Massaqoui was top 5?
at what?
Being better than Hakeem Nicks.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:16 PM
That’s irrelevant.
But that is a very good point.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
What happens to the draft picks if there’s a work stoppage? Are they part of the players union once they sign a contract?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
He’s probably played his way into the first round of the NFL draft, if you believe guys like Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, Peter King,
Oh I believe this, but I just hope my team isn’t listening to any of these hacks.
Didn’t we read already about how Kiper purposefully boosts player stock for personal gain? How can anyone take him seriously?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
browns weren’t set back ever by a 1st round draft pick. they made the playoffs with couch being a backup and brady quinn wasn’t heavily invested in.
no, the reasons the browns suck go far beyond that.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Can’t argue with that, but look how 1st round QB picks set back teams not in the playoffs/on the bubble: SF, Oak, Clev, Tenn, AZ, Hou, Buffalo, etc…
i agree with this, but houston being a bunch of scrote less morons doesnt help either.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
you are
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
What don;t you think is gay?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Top 5 Players with Q’s in Their Names list?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
the packers and chargers don’t really apply, they had a good started firmly in place when they drafted. the saints, bears and iggles didn’t draft their current qbs, so i’m not sure how they are considered good draft picks.
This is called sample selection bias. They were all 1st rounders is a verifiable claim. Also, the fact that one 1st rounder (Rivers) was drafted behind an established starter (not really true at that time) who then went to the Saints to be discounted as not counting in a different way bothers me in a way I’m not sure how to express. Fwiw, Brees was a 2nd round draft pick
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
What happens to the draft picks if there’s a work stoppage? Are they part of the players union once they sign a contract?
The league said the draft is happening regardless of whether there is a work stoppage. Have to assume that the rights will simply sit with the teams until it is resolved because there won’t be any ongoing contract negotiations.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Uh oh. Here comes a chair shot followed by some Sweet Chin Music from mrejr.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
What happens to the draft picks if there’s a work stoppage? Are they part of the players union once they sign a contract?
Don’t think it matters. Once they are drafted, they become property of that team. Once they sign a contract, then they become part of NFLPA
December 15th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Brawnytom- the Texans are fine at qb. Schaub was drafted by ATL in the 2nd round.
David Carr? They traded for Schaub and told that faggot to hit the bricks. Carr was a first coaching regime disaster
December 15th, 2010 at 2:19 PM
Draft picks are not NFLPA until they sign a contract and join the union
December 15th, 2010 at 2:19 PM
And sandwiching your wife!
December 15th, 2010 at 2:20 PM
All being drafted grants you is that you’re not allowed to sign with another NFL team…we could be looking at the greatest season the UFL will ever have in the case of a work stoppage
December 15th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
They traded for Schaub and told that faggot to hit the bricks
So explain to me again what gets moderated and what doesn’t?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Imagine if instead of taking couch, they would have taken Kearse or Champ or sticky Ricky. Would have had more money to invest in team and probably would not have drafted high enough for Brown/Warren the next couple of years.
/Nevermind, Browns would have fucked it up either way.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
what’s easy about it?
You got this one? Ok, cool.
easiest to predict transition from college to pros = easiest draft
salaries are not guaranteed = no albert belle, allen houston, etc.
100 player rosters makes it easiers to disguise or fill holes on the team.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
there has to be some reason he keeps stroking Jake Locker right? it can’t be his performances against pac-10 “defenses”.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
didn’t mean actual 100 players, just 50 or so plus practice squad
December 15th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
He started it
December 15th, 2010 at 2:22 PM
So explain to me again what gets moderated and what doesn’t?
Ha! $oshul-lizm will always get you moderated but otherwise it’s just a crapshoot
December 15th, 2010 at 2:22 PM
I think everybody needs nap time.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
it doesn’t matter because…
this.
dwight clark and butch davis made sure we’d be an expansion team for six extra years.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
@TexansFan – I was referring to the Carr days. Schaub has been great value for what they gave up for him IMO.
I am not saying don’t go QB, but there are a lot of risks with that type of investment, especially if they turn out to be a bust. Or even just good enough to tease like an Alex Smith.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Anyone who drafts Newton has to groom him more as a pocket passer with an ability to run if he has to. If the team has more of a wildcat mentality, they’re going to ruin his career. I can’t think of too many rushing QBs who’ve fared well in the pros. Steve Young, Vick, Elway come to mind. I’ll leave McNair, and VY out of this group.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Peace offering?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:24 PM
/team bsanders
December 15th, 2010 at 2:24 PM
So the fact that they let other quarterbacks go in favor of two guys they drafted in the first round has no correlation in a discussion about whether it’s prudent to draft QBs in the first round?
Does not compute.
Vick led the Falcons to the playoffs and just as Peyton’s a once in a lifetime guy, so was Vick with his situation. He was a $100 million dollar guy and wouldn’t have been traded. Brees was let go in favor of a 1st round guy and Cutler netted 2 first round picks and a third when he was traded. All pretty good picks.
Again, potentially 11 out of 12. No real fighting this one.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Just saying sanders is like that school board psycho with the gun.. lets not cry for him getting ganged up on and shot down, he’s the one who brought the gun here today
/full circle
December 15th, 2010 at 2:24 PM
OK so this year’s draftees could potentially play if there is a work stoppage? If they decided to have replacement players, that is.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:24 PM
ill, I hate to inform you, but all the experts around here are about to fuck you with a pool cue over #105. I wish you the best of luck, sir.
/pulls up bar stool
//flags down bartender
December 15th, 2010 at 2:24 PM
Who slides down the draft the most? Locker or Newtwon?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:25 PM
McNair was a beast
December 15th, 2010 at 2:25 PM
if it was so easy, why would there be so many “can’t miss” players who miss spectacularly?
and im pretty sure the NFL roster size is 53.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Probably not the best idea to engage in a little scabbin’
December 15th, 2010 at 2:26 PM
ugh…that’d be the ultimate.
the players getting locked out by greedy owners and then watching the greedy owners use replacement players. i think even i might vomit and this doesn’t effect me in any way at all.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Dude, I brought mint chocolate covered Oreos, gingerbread and candy canes to the Roundup. Nothing is saving this place today. Just turn up the Sinatra, Autry and Bennett Christmas station and you’ll be at full internal peace.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
OK so this year’s draftees could potentially play if there is a work stoppage? If they decided to have replacement players, that is.
That’s a question: IF the draftees sign contracts with their teams outside the auspices of the NFLPA (which wouldn’t exist if the players de-certify it) would they be considered scabs?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
This should be remedied in the new CBA.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
There will be no replacement players
December 15th, 2010 at 2:28 PM
If you’re a kid coming out of college with a family expecting you to take care of them with the millions you’re gonna get by being an NFL player, then I would assume the money is more important to them than being called scabs by other players in the league.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:28 PM
I’m not sure Newton’s really as high as we’re hearing right now. Locker, either, for that matter. Mallett seems like a guy who will fuck it up in the draft run up but I’m just guessing that he’s got a weak personality. Realistically, nobody is “set” as a first rounder ight now beyond a handful of guys (Luck, Patrick Peterson, Da’Quan Bowers). Even the legitimately loaded WR class has a lot of time and room to work itself out
December 15th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
they would be throwing away $millions
December 15th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Well all that stuff’s gross at 8 in the morning
December 15th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Pssh…he’s not going pro.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
Cutler netted 2 first round picks and a third when he was traded. All pretty good picks.
so because the bears over paid for him makes him a pretty good pick?
and im pretty sure the NFL roster size is 53.
read the follow up, dieck.
if it was so easy, why would there be so many “can’t miss” players who miss spectacularly?
i didn’t say it was an exact science. i said that it’s easier to predict than say baseball or basketball (i don’t know shit about hocky).
December 15th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
are you still a scab if the players are the ones being locked out?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
I hated The Replacements more than any sports movie I’ve ever seen and probably ever will…I’m not even a big labor union guy but making scab workers the good guys in a story was just gross beyond the actual execution of that formulaic piece of shit
December 15th, 2010 at 2:30 PM
The only fighting is that you’re stretching your argument a bit with the “potentially” and the “top 32″ If the playoffs started today, how many would be first rounders? 8 out of 12? Still impressive, but not quite so much.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:30 PM
oh, it’s really easy to draft in basketball. THOSE are the execs that keep fucking everything up.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:30 PM
IF the draftees sign contracts with their teams outside the auspices of the NFLPA (which wouldn’t exist if the players de-certify it) would they be considered scabs?
If the NFLPA reconvenes as an actual union, yes they will absolutley be viewed as scabs. They will also have no union protection when they sign those contracts, so they would end up with some pretty weak gurantees, even by NFL standards
December 15th, 2010 at 2:30 PM
With owners pushing for a rookie salary structure, wouldn’t see the logic in them signing rookies before that structure was in place.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:31 PM
Mallett seems like a guy who will fuck it up in the draft run up but I’m just guessing that he’s got a weak personality.
I read some guy over at Yahoo! Sports comparing Mallett to one Ryan Leaf. That can’t be right. Can it?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:31 PM
I just can’t make you happy CJ. I’m sorry I’m so damn tall!
/runs away crying
//eats gingerbread in corner while sobbing
December 15th, 2010 at 2:31 PM
In before “he’d be taking a pay cut.”
December 15th, 2010 at 2:32 PM
All that stuff is gross in general! Why would you ruin a perfectly good oreo by covering it in mint chocolate? Gingerbread is blah. Candy canes are cool though.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:33 PM
If there’s a work stoppage, I’m totally trying out for punter for the Bears.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:33 PM
So the fact that they let other quarterbacks go in favor of two guys they drafted in the first round has no correlation in a discussion about whether it’s prudent to draft QBs in the first round?
favre was a fucking god in GB for nearly a decade, that’s 10 years worth of 1st round draft picks that they DIDN’T need to spend on a QB.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:33 PM
Banana nut bread mmmm
December 15th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
The lockout would start the day after the draft anyhow if I’ve read it right so only the top pick would even have the chance to sign a contract so I doubt that’s even an issue
December 15th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Goddamn it. There will be no replacement players
December 15th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Both have bad attitudes. But Leaf’s is way worse than Mallett’s. However, I think Mallett will be a very good pro provided he is receptive to coaching.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
this much is true…marvin doesn’t have another year on his contract and the bengals haven’t made any indications that they’re willing to re-up.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:36 PM
It’s not stretching. Those are facts. The pick where Brees was selected would be a first rounder now. Yes, removing Cassel and Garrard makes the argument better, but they’re also two of the teams likely to be out. Fine, word it a different way. If SD or IND calls KC or JAX and offers a straight swap for QBs, does either offer get turned down? Nope. So again, not being willing to take QBs in the first round is foolish.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Stop shitting all over Tim Hasselbeck’s last chance to realize NFL glory
December 15th, 2010 at 2:37 PM
Are we sure the Jets don’t need a QB?
/Cam Newton would steal the hearts AND the laptops of Jets fans everywhere
December 15th, 2010 at 2:37 PM
@Ill- Yes I said in my post that Skins are 3-4 years away from being good. Why the hell would they stick it out with a mid 30′s qb who has taken a ton of punishment in his career and also pay him like a franchise qb when they have no realistic shot of being competitive in the near future. They need to gut as many older guys off the roster as they can and build for the future.
And if they do draft a qb they should sit him for a year while he learns the offense and they build an O-line.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Let me see if I have this straight. A team has a good QB and therefore doesn’t need to draft a QB proves that a team without a good QB shouldn’t draft a QB in the first round? OK, got it.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Lol butters. The Texans would win the Superbowl with replacement players but it wouldn’t count in my eyes.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Drink semen.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Shane Falco!
December 15th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
In other news, Bill Belichick is considering the guys who started videotaping all those practices without his knowledge or permission.
/So who ordered all those terrible Sanchez passes on third down???
December 15th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Sorgi!!!
December 15th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
@SenatorJersey You already used that one against me. Got a better one?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Lewis will be the Texan’s new Def Coordinator when Cowher takes over
/Ctrl + P
//I know thats print
December 15th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
I almost used him but he’s still a member of the union and collecting checks from the Giants…Tim Hasselbeck is the easy answer to the question of which ESPN analyst was the worst player
December 15th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Brawnytom is fucking with my head
December 15th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
illformula,
I see no evidence that teams that draft line heavy perform better. In fact, I invite you to search the history books to find a Super Bowl winner that used four first round picks on the line in a five-year period right before they won a Super Bowl.
The most recent line-heavy team was the Houston Texans, who drafted four straight linemen from 2005-2008 in the first round. The Chiefs, with Dorsey, Albert, Hali, and Tyson Jackson, are another.
St. Louis and San Francisco (7 each) have drafted the most first round linemen this decade. Of course, they are both fighting for a division title, so that strategy is succeeding.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Mallet will be a solid professional quarterback. Newton seems likely to slide into the second round. Maybe low second round. The teams that are most desperate for a quarterback are going to take Luck, Mallet, Locker, first. The mid-first round teams have other more pressing issues.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
I like it when people use the word “fiesty” on here. It makes everything feel like a party. In that vein, I’d like to call Wide World of Sport fiesty.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
does stu scott count? dude lost an eye trying out for a team
December 15th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
I’ll say one thing about the prospect of drafting Cam Newton. I’d give him $10 million a thousand times over before I’d give Gus Malzahn $3 million and the keys to my program
December 15th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Let me see if I have this straight. A team has a good QB and therefore doesn’t need to draft a QB proves that a team without a good QB shouldn’t draft a QB in the first round? OK, got it.
you’re the one who decided to use GB as an example of why it’s prudent to draft a QB, I said they didn’t apply to the debate.
either way, the point was that without being strong in the trenches, i see no benefit to burning top draft pick on a QB.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Got to love the antagonists. The “Come Get Some”ers.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Of course, they are both fighting for a division title, so that strategy is succeeding.
Ha! That was slick. no mention of the Chiefs also fighting for a spot?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Lisk: can you look and see who drafted four STARTERS for the line in the years preceding the Superbowl. If I sound like Gregg Fuckface Easterbrook, please shoot me, but I’d guess that teams who draft off/def line heavy overall do better.
/Still having Justin Tuck nightmares from Giants/Pats Superbowl
December 15th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
C’mon Texansfan. You and I both know the Texans would go 8-8 with replacement players.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Mr Lisk- Steve DeBerg or Rich Gannon?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:48 PM
I would be shocked if Newton slides into the second rd. Hell Tebow went in the first and Newton is a much better pro prospect than Tebow.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:48 PM
you’re the one who decided to use GB as an example of why it’s prudent to draft a QB, I said they didn’t apply to the debate.
The problem with this, of course, is that they are actually prudent to the debate
December 15th, 2010 at 2:48 PM
St. Louis and San Francisco (7 each) have drafted the most first round linemen this decade. Of course, they are both fighting for a division title, so that strategy is succeeding.
Of course if you draft seven linemen in the first round that probably means, oh, four or five were failures.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:49 PM
TexansFan – not trying to get your hopes up, but it just seems to make the most sense. Cowher is going to a team with an established QB so no Carolina/Minnesota. He is going to a team that will pay him well, so no Cincy. He is going to a team that will let him bring in his own personnel guy. So no Dallas.
I think McNair would give him the keys (and the salary).
Just my $.02
December 15th, 2010 at 2:49 PM
new england patriots.
2001 – richard seymour
2002 – daniel graham (TE…doesn’t count)
2003 – ty warren
2004 – vince wilfork
2005 – logan mankins
December 15th, 2010 at 2:50 PM
oh…right BEFORE they won a SB.
nevermind.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:50 PM
That would rock. I think Kubiak gets another year from mcnair
December 15th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
I’m going entirely off my gut here, and eyeball testing the hell out of this, also, but I’m guessing there is no evidence that “drafting heavily” at any position is going to equal success. As TST just pointed out: if you keep drafting the same positions, it’s probably because your last pick at that position wasn’t very good
December 15th, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Of course if you draft seven linemen in the first round that probably means, oh, four or five were failures.
I agree completely with this. I’m just pointing out that good teams don’t in fact continually use first round picks on linemen, as it was suggested was easy and what teams should do earlier in the comments.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Patriots are also the outlier on 1st round QBs. They got rid of #1 overall to go with a 6th rounder
December 15th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Do you think he’ll run a faster forty, bench more reps, etc. at the combine?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Mr Lisk,
perhaps my orginal comment regarding draft strictly off-linemen was misleading and aggressive. you’ve obviously done more research on the topic than myself. however, just by looking at this list, not many QBs taken in the first round seemed to pan out the way the teams who drafted them projected.
i’d like to see the data that compares the success rates of off/def linemen taken in the first round compared to that of QBs.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
I agree completely with this. I’m just pointing out that good teams don’t in fact continually use first round picks on linemen, as it was suggested was easy and what teams should do earlier in the comments.
And I agree completely with this. St. Louis hardly has an imposing line and I wouldn’t prefer Suh to Bradford at this point (to my surprise). And I hate Alex Barron.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:55 PM
kinda like the redskins getting rid of heath shuler for gus frerotte when they were drafted in the same year.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
i’d like to see the data that compares the success rates of off/def linemen taken in the first round compared to that of QBs
I feel like I’ve read somewhere in the last year that the success rate of DL in the 1st round was actually lower than QB’s but I’ve no idea where I read it or if it’s just something I invented in my mind
December 15th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
Lisk: can you look and see who drafted four STARTERS for the line in the years preceding the Superbowl. If I sound like Gregg Fuckface Easterbrook, please shoot me, but I’d guess that teams who draft off/def line heavy overall do better.
I actually looked at it here
The 2007 Patriots (4 linemen from 2001-2005) were by far the best team to draft that many linemen in a short period of time. None of the 32 teams that drafted 4 linemen within a 5 year span won a Super Bowl in the five years beginning with the last lineman being drafted.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
we all do…even non-rams fans hate him.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Take me to the plush orchard where franchise quarterbacks spring forth like little apple blossoms each spring and I will concede that you need not spend a first round pick on one.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Stark- the Texans added greatly to that stat
December 15th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Was that in reference to me? I hope not. I just know Gabe would look good at RT for my favorite team.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Ha! So did the post-Survivor Era Cowboys
December 15th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
we think alike.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
kinda like the redskins getting rid of heath shuler for gus frerotte when they were drafted in the same year.
/breaks pencil
December 15th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
No, Jersey, it was ill’s assertion that drafting is “easy” and that you should never draft a QB in the 1st round
December 15th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Successful teams don’t draft for immediate need. They draft for long term needs which gives them the flexibility to draft the best player available.
Newton would be a better value as a 1st round pick to a team that didn’t have an immediate need at QB. I think a good place for him would be Jax ~#18.
/Assumes he grades out as a 1st round QB.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Think you’re drafting before the Packers? If by some miracle he’s there I don’t think Ted would take more than 30 seconds to get that pick in
December 15th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
I think a good place for him would be Jax ~#18.
No chance, certainly not in the first round. He doesn’t fit into Gene Smith’s drafting strategy that early.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
it was ill’s assertion that drafting is “easy”
you and Amphibious need to join me in the No Spin Zone, now.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Successful teams don’t draft for immediate need.
yeah, they do. Successful teams try not to have multiple glaring needs at once..
December 15th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
i’d like to see the data that compares the success rates of off/def linemen taken in the first round compared to that of QBs.
well, it’s hard to measure. If you go by Games Started, bust QB’s start less, because a bad tackle can move to guard and continue to play (Mandarich, Gallery) but it doesn’t mean the pick was any less harmful.
First round QB’s have made a higher pro bowl percentage, but we could argue that pro bowls at Tackle or Defense are far more reputation based, so it’s hard to break through.
Good teams draft good players, regardless of position. Most good lines also don’t feature first round picks across the board.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
well, it’s a good thing the steelers drafted pouncey to IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS THEIR INTERIOR LINE NEEDS, because that’d mean the steelers now suck and that’d make me happy!
December 15th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
hey Mr Lisk- Who was that Chiefs coach that wore windpants?
December 15th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
First round QB’s have made a higher pro bowl percentage, but we could argue that pro bowls at Tackle or Defense are far more reputation based, so it’s hard to break through.
twice as many QBs make the pro bowl every year as tackles, too.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Once the season ends, I am sending multiple letters, emails, maybe even threats to tell Tannenbaum to trade up and get him or I am killing everyone he loves.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I WANNA HELP!!!
December 15th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Chiefs coach that wore windpants?
dick vermeil?
December 15th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
agreed. i’m a firm believer in taking strictly offensive and defensive linemen in the 1st round. i don’t care how good a qb looks coming out of college.
personnel decisions in the NFL might be the easiest in all of sports, yet time and time again peole completely fuck them up.
i’d like a three year pilot as an NFL GM.
OK, Bill O’Reilly, I’m not spinning so please explain yourself
December 15th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Sometimes immediate need and longterm intersect. When Puncey was drafted, they had Hartwig signed for 1 more year. Pouncey beat him out and Hartwig was released. The year before they took Hood, who only starts because of injuries. He will become the starter when Keisel/Smith is done. They took Mendenhal with they had Parker still as the starter.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:14 PM
The Giants/Patriots (Parcells/Belichick) trees have always been big on line play (especially defensive line anchoring a defense.
One way to look is to see what % of the top 10 at every position (by probowl or salary, whatever) was drafted in 1st/2nd round vs later. I’d venture that for QB it’s pretty high, and for WR/RB it’s less important. It seems like there are always 1,000 yard backs/recievers that are undrafted. Even linemen seem like they can be found/developed.
The position where the more good players were high picks? I’d guess cornerback. Lots of 1st round failures, but most (Baily, Revis, Asomughasghsda, Talib, McCourty etc) good CB’s in the league seem to be high picks.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
pouncey sucks.
/fuck him and his brother
December 15th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
I hope the Steelers draft the other Pouncey, a brother combo on the Oline would be sweet.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Joe Thomas blows dudes
December 15th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
You wish Joe Thomas had a brother, ya racist.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
That way they could guard the bathroom door and have family bonding time too!
/Two Birds One Stone
//Big Ben sex jokes still ok or just nose jokes these days?
///Been a while
December 15th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
yea, but he’s legitimately good. unlike pouncey, who’s useless against anyone with legitimate strength. he’s good at the 2nd level tho.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
well yea.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
I want to see a “legitimately good” center block anyone with strenght with the shitastic guards the Steelers have surrounding them. Pouncey is a stud.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
I want the Pouncey’s back together again just so we always have “Ma. Pouncey” on the back of a jersey. Always entertains me even if the horrible Steelers always get that terrible Wiz Kalifah song stuck in my head lately
December 15th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
watch last year’s thursday night browns/steelers game.
watch alex mack, with 270 lb. pussy eric steinbach next to him, whoop casey hampton all night.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Eric Steinbach is a HOFer next to Essex/Kemo
I see Mack doing marginally well against Chris Hoke, a backup DL, and getting zero push against Hampton (both plays went no where).
December 15th, 2010 at 3:37 PM
hampton tossed mack to the side like a rag doll. mack = pussy
December 15th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
irishmafia. Legend.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
I didnt need some fancy statistic to tell the the Steelers Oline blows.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10349/1110767-66.stm
December 15th, 2010 at 3:58 PM
No way there are 3 worse Olines in the NFL at this point in the season. Find me a worse starting OT than Scott.
December 15th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Coop, you need to get that link to Sanders. This is funny: The offensive line of Indianapolis ranks first with a rating of 90.6. The Steelers’ line ranks 29th with a rating of 44.9.
December 15th, 2010 at 4:20 PM
OK, Bill O’Reilly, I’m not spinning so please explain yourself
might be the easiest in all of sports
go fuck yourself. spin that.