Bill Hancock Presents His Cliche and Nonsense-Ridden Defense of the BCS
BCS executive director Bill Hancock wrote a piece in USA Today defending the BCS. The result was laughable. Mr. Hancock ignored one truism of the Internet. If you’re going to make a silly, illogical argument, don’t do so in easily accessible print, because some jerk will parse through it line by line to make a fool of you. Today, I am that jerk. Apologies to Ken Tremendous, dak and Junior.
We’ve been called communists, a cartel, crooks — and worse — but that’s malarkey. And I’m proud to stand up and point out why college football is so popular and why our system works so well.
The Communist argument is misconceived. The BCS is not Communist. It is protectionist. It runs a system counter to the free-market. It shields certain conferences through measures that inhibit fair competition.
The BCS does not place teams based on merit. It guarantees big conferences an automatic bowl bid, even if the team is as bad as Connecticut. It allows the bowls, with some restrictions, to choose their own participants regardless of the rankings. Not coincidentally, second teams from the two most powerful conferences, the Big Ten and SEC, get in every year.
One could argue the BCS is a cooperative arrangement between the large conferences to promote their mutual interest of accumulating wealth and maintaining the balance of power. That, friends, is a cartel.
College football was one weekend away from Boise State participating in the BCS National Championship Game because of what happened on the playing field — not in a chatroom, a boardroom or a newsroom.
False. Both Boise State and TCU had Sisyphian existences for nearly a decade. Strings of undefeated and one-loss seasons went unrewarded. People in chatrooms (do those still exist?) and newsrooms made this injustice a point for public debate. Voters took action. They placed both schools in the top ten to start the season. With enough assistance Boise State could push the boulder over the top of the hill. Unfortunately, Boise lost and the BCS system jettisoned them at the first opportunity. They ended up begging their way into the Las Vegas Bowl.
The BCS rankings are based on how a team plays between the white lines, and the results speak for themselves.
So, cheerleader attractiveness isn’t a consideration? Of course on-field occurrences dictate the rankings. The trouble is the rankings don’t reflect the on-field occurrences accurately. The math isn’t statistically valid or even verified. The system did work this year. It didn’t work last year. It hasn’t worked in other years. It will continue to not work in future years. The results have spoken for themselves.
If the BCS were corrupt, how could a missed field goal in the Boise State-Nevada game and a 24-point comeback by Auburn over Alabama have made such a difference?
Yes, Boise State had a chance to make the BCS Title Game, but this is the token pauper at Oxford argument. One oik slipping through the cracks on merit does not discredit the notion that Oxford is, by and large, a system to reward the wealthy and keep them in positions of power.
Boise State and Ohio State had similar schedule strengths. Both had one loss and failed to win their conference. Ohio State got hammered by a Top 20 team. Boise State lost a heartbreaker in overtime to a Top 20 team. The BCS welcomed Ohio State’s economic clout and cast Boise into oblivion.
As USA TODAY reported shortly after Boise State lost its first game and TCU decided to join the Big East, “It’s been a bad 72 hours for BCS bashers.”
This wasn’t “reported” as fact. The opinion was written. The system did not descend into chaos. That’s not an argument that it works ever year. It doesn’t discredit arguments against the BCS. It just makes it a less opportune moment to present them.
The purpose of the BCS is to match the nation’s top two teams in a championship bowl game while creating a series of other exciting matchups. It’s nothing more than that. This season, that means the No. 1 Auburn Tigers vs. the No. 2 Oregon Ducks.
Oklahoma and Connecticut, feel the excitement. Matching the nation’s top two teams in a championship bowl game would also be the purpose of a playoff. This does not explain why opinion, spreadsheets and faulty math would be preferable to a concise, enjoyable tournament.
If this were the shady system that some people claim, how could Boise State have been only inches away? And if the system were designed to shut out schools from the so-called non-power conferences, how could TCU — undefeated and No. 3 in the BCS rankings — play in the granddaddy of them all, the Rose Bowl?
TCU ended up in the Rose Bowl because the system was designed to shut them out. The BCS actively manipulated the system by forcing the Rose Bowl to accept a representative from the great unwashed this season. Granddaddy has suckled sweet milk from BCS conference teats since it joined the BCS. He wishes he could do so this season. He will continue to do so in future seasons until ordered to do so again.
The abuse from the critics is balderdash. The fact is the BCS accomplishes its mission with a stunningly popular national championship game. It regularly draws more viewers than the NCAA Final Four, the World Series, the NBA Championships and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
Fans enjoy college football. Viewership does not indicate tacit approval for the BCS. If it does than that’s an argument for a playoff, which would lead to more viewership.
And it does this while maintaining college football’s wonderful regular season and also by preserving America’s unique multiday bowl tradition that rewards student-athletes with a celebratory bowl-game week.
Articulate the “wonderful regular season.” It’s a vapid cliché. The season has two parts. The conference season and the non-conference season.
A playoff would enhance the conference season. It would make every conference game more meaningful. Under the current system, the ACC ceased to be nationally relevant when Virginia Tech, Florida State and Miami lost games in mid-September. Under a playoff, the ACC winner would still get a crack at the title. Those games would still have national relevance and be meaningful to more people. Every conference championship game would be relevant every year.
A playoff would alter the non-conference season. The non-conference season needs altering. It sucks. The BCS cultivates paranoia among elite teams. They schedule games they can’t possibly lose. Three of Alabama’s four non-conference opponents were San Jose State, Duke and Georgia State. Having 35 bowl games incentivizes mediocre teams to schedule games they can’t possibly lose to get to 6-6 and pick up their trophy. The result is a smorgasbord of blowouts where good teams hardly ever play each other unless ESPN offers them a treasure bath. Keeping this status quo is an argument for the current BCS?
As for the “unique multiday bowl tradition,” why does that end because of a playoff? The playoff would generate more money providing more subsidies to keep the lesser bowl games afloat. The current BCS bowls could be encompassed within the current playoff system. I did it here. The National Championship game was once a bowl game. The bowl game could be a semifinal for a playoff.
Arguments that a playoff would destroy the bowl game have no credence. It is shameless fear mongering.
As this season proves, outstanding teams can play in BCS bowls, including the national championship game, no matter what conference they’re in. For much of this season, Boise State and TCU earned the ranking of No. 3 and No. 4. That can’t happen in a rigged system.
The system is rigged to reward big conference teams. It rewards teams ranked highly to start the season, which are most often big conference teams. Voters manipulated the system to give Boise State and TCU a chance by ranking them highly to start the season. Their relevance was not a natural outcome from the BCS system. If the system was not rigged, the BCS would not have counteracted the rigging by adding rules forcing the bowl games to accept at least one non-AQ team.
Commies? A cartel? Give me a break. The BCS is a voluntary arrangement that benefits every university in the NCAA’s Bowl Subdivision. It has provided all schools with more revenue and more access to the major bowl games than ever before.
The BCS is a voluntary arrangement, a voluntary arrangement by powerful conferences with the balance of power to ensure they maintain the balance of power. A cartel.
One could plausibly argue the BCS benefits every university in the NCAA’s Bowl Subdivision, but it does not do so fairly or adequately. Tens of schools start the season with no chance to win the “national title.”
The BCS has provided more revenue and access than ever before. The primary reason to have a playoff is that it would provide more revenue and access than ever before. That’s an argument for a playoff. We didn’t stick with the landline telephone because it was an upgrade over the telegraph. That backward logic is nonsensical.
Sure, I understand that many football fans want an NFL-style playoff instead. I know that they want to fill out a bracket, and that they want to watch more college football in December. They want their favorite team to have a slot in that bracket. But the desire for a different postseason format doesn’t justify the false attacks against the BCS event. And as the person who used to manage the NCAA Final Four, I know that what works for one sport doesn’t work so easily for a different sport.
“Demonize the playoff. Pass it off as foreign. FEAR.” It’s not an “NFL-style” playoff. It’s a “college football” style playoff. The FCS and lower divisions have playoffs. It’s not an untested concept for college football. It has worked swimmingly for years. FBS, with its vastly superior resources, could replicate and improve upon that system with ease.
College football has the best regular season of any sport, and the lack of a playoff is one big reason why. Millions of football fans this year tuned in to watch the season-opening game between Boise State and Virginia Tech because there was so much on the line —starting early in September. If there were a playoff, the Alabama-Auburn game wouldn’t have been as important nationally, or as dramatic.
The Boise State vs. Virginia Tech game was great. Would it not have been great without the BCS ramifications? Does the one game justify the hundreds of absolutely awful ones fans are forced to sit through? Because there is “so much on the line” in September, teams seldom schedule games like that unless offered large amounts of money. No team wants its season ended on Labor Day.
All the BCS ramifications accomplished was making a good Virginia Tech team nationally irrelevant. Their turnaround and 11-game win streak after the James Madison loss should have been one of the best stories of the season. It wasn’t. Because the current system rendered Virginia Tech and the ACC no longer nationally relevant, in mid-September. Other sports have nothing like that, because it’s insane.
The Iron Bowl is always compelling and commands a national audience, because it is among the best rivalries in the country. It’s not about BCS placing. It’s about pride. Auburn’s 24-point comeback in Tuscaloosa would have been dramatic and lived on for decades without the BCS. It was a great moment. Great moments, not asinine consequences, are why we watch football.
A playoff also would mean the end of America’s bowl tradition as we know it. As Rick Baker, president of the Cotton Bowl, said, “A playoff system would ruin the AT&T Cotton Bowl Classic.”
The “AT&T Cotton Bowl Classic?” That says all you need to know about “America’s bowl tradition.”
This is a declaration, not an argument with credence. Why exactly would a playoff destroy the bowls? What specifically would a playoff do to kill interest in the Cotton Bowl? The Cotton Bowl would be played at the same time under a playoff. It would probably feature the same teams. There’s no evidence besides fear-mongering assertions that the Cotton Bowl wouldn’t attract the same audience.
Under the current system, 70 schools and hordes of fans arrive days before the big game and immediately become the toast of the town. Fans and families plan vacations around bowl week. Student-athletes are celebrated as the players get to see places and do things they otherwise never could do. No wonder a poll of student-athletes taken by ESPN the Magazine earlier this year showed that 77% of players would prefer a career with three bowl games to a career with one playoff game.
These polls tell us nothing. First, look at this question specifically. The way the question is framed, players are presented with the option of having three chances to win a game versus definitely losing one game. Of course they would choose the three chances to win. The only surprising thing is more of them didn’t.
The questions in these polls presented by the BCS always present a false dichotomy. A playoff would always accompany the complete dismantling of the bowl system. There’s no evidence for this besides baseless assertions. Coaches and players always approve the current system in those polls because they fear a 6-6 finish won’t result in a bowl game. That obstacle can be removed by (a) incorporating bowls into the playoffs and by (b) holding the first round of the playoffs during the regular season to allow the losers to play in bowl games.
The real question should be, would you prefer to play in a BCS Bowl game or to compete in a playoff with the opportunity to win a national title. Every team in the BCS excluding Auburn and Oregon would be unanimously in favor of a playoff.
A playoff, on the other hand, would be limited to a small number of schools, and it would turn their celebratory week into a series of one-day business trips because the teams would arrive the day before the game and leave right afterward. If they won, they’d need to get ready for next week’s game. That’s not a bowl party — that’s another game on the schedule. For the schools that don’t make a playoff, their bowl games would fade away. Sadly, so too would a great American tradition.
A playoff would restructure the current BCS system, which is already limited to a small number of schools. Bowls could be utilized as part of a playoff, ensuring players and sponsors have a good time. Other bowls would be on firmer financial footing because more money would be flowing into the system to subsidize them.
If ever a season showed that the BCS is fair and that it works, it’s this season. And it happened while maintaining the thrilling regular season in which every game counts.
Yes, ignore all the seasons where it demonstratively didn’t work.
Every declaration Bill Hancock presents in favor of the BCS here is counterintuitive, baseless or complete bullshit. His sentiments are designed to engender fear and create the perception of uncertainty where none should exist.
Not one small conference team has benefitted naturally from the BCS. The system required deliberate, active manipulation to achieve those goals. Jim Delany’s position in favor of the BCS has “nothing to do with money.” It has to do with perpetuating a system designed to keep the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big East and Pac 10 in a superior position to the lesser conferences. That system is corrupt, unfair and should be done away with as soon as it is feasible.
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December 9th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Bummer. I thought it was going to be a coaching rumor or something like that. Instead we get “Reasons why the BCS sucks, part 2,456,445.”
December 9th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
This is the dynamite?
/Grabs popcorn from the microwave
//Pulls up chair
December 9th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
is this the dynamite?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
I’ll fight the Jaguar Shark, but I’ll let it live. Now where’s my dynamite?
/team Zissou
December 9th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
/peeps head out from bunker
//sees “dynammite” is actually stick of butter with a carrot in it
///emerges from bunker and goes to lunch
December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
I’m going to have to P&P this. It’s really long. However, just scanning this at the bottom:
I respectfully disagree and will now read after lunch.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Ty Duffy doesn’t do this. He said so.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
what happened when I went to the home page at 12:00.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
If I didn’t have a job I would rebut your rebuttal line-by-line, but I’ve got $1000 BCS Championship tickets to buy.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Nice work, Duffy.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
How long before this becomes a dumpster fire?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
Longest post in TBL history.
This makes Paolo’s comments look like baby carrots next to Oden’s dong.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
actually, you should read Hancock’s piece, then check out how many lies and falsehoods it is filled with.
he’s got a big platform for his argument and it actually includes a mention of everyone getting a vacation??
December 9th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
I think we should discuss this BCS vs. Playoff stuff, we’ve never really talked about it yet…
December 9th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
shouldve made this a 2 parter
December 9th, 2010 at 12:05 PM
I was promised dynamite, not a beaten dead horse
December 9th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Transformers 3 trailer.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Free market would leave Potato State Junior College in Boise every year…
Plausibly? The have nots get more money now than they ever have before, and they’ve done nothing to deserve it. You push it any further, and the NCAA implodes, and the non BCS teams are right back where they started- no money and no one caring about them.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
I can’t be the only person who laughed at this?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
What’s he supposed to say, “Sure, eliminate my job.”?
Most people are in favor of a playoff, it’s just the manner that it’s implemented that gets the juices flowing.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
If I were dead … You’d be beating me
December 9th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Strings of undefeated and one-loss seasons went unrewarded.
they were rewarded increasingly every year, with bigger bowl games, right? I’m only this far. I don’t agree with this guy at all (the BCS apologist), but I think the takedown piece is shaping up to be a cheap hit in its own right.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Still don’t get the mockery of sponsors being a part of bowl games and how that somehow means the entire system is bad…especially when it’s being written on a site with pop-up ads that seem to be pissing everyone using IE off
December 9th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
We pro free market around here now? Sure isn’t that way during baseball season.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
actually, you should read Hancock’s piece, then check out how many lies and falsehoods it is filled with.
you should pick more challenging opponents for your blog to take on that USA Today writers.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Hancock’s information is based on fluff and heresay. Completely agreed.
But, the retort can be done better without playing to the poor Boise’s of the world. The argument would be better made to ask if TCU or Wisconsin or Stanford or Ohio State or Arkansas would be better on the field at the end of the season. The argument isn’t to make it fair for the “little guy”. If the little guy is good enough, then you would like to see if on the field. But, there are several other teams, per year, that don’t get to prove that on the field at the end of the year.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I did read it, and of course it’s BS, but I was just hoping for some sweet bombshell about FLA or MIA or MICH or something like that. This is just the same stuff you guys always harp on. BCS bad, playoff good. We get it. I think this comment group has had this debate about 10,000 times, and I can only speak for myself when I say that it seems forced onto us now. It’s like you have a google alert for BCS or something and Duffy sits by the red phone waiting for the call.
Loved the first one (yes, I know movie snobs…the plot was terrible…but I didn’t care). I thought the second one was one of the worst movies I had ever seen. Just fucking terrible.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Wait, where were the lies again?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
The page views on these posts must be through the roof. How else to explain the same arguments being made ad nauseum?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Ohio State got hammered by a Top 20 team. Boise State lost a heartbreaker in overtime to a Top 20 team.
Boise State actually got hammered in the second half of that game. The whole half. It was really disgusting to watch. They got out one dimensional-ed, badly.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Still don’t get the mockery of sponsors being a part of bowl games and how that somehow means the entire system is bad…especially when it’s being written on a site with pop-up ads that seem to be pissing everyone using IE off
/stubbornly uncorrupted and unbeholden.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Here ya go, Jersey!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
The BCS is biased towards big conference teams, because that’s where the best teams are. There’s nothing much to that.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Duffy is a huge fan of simple sentences.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Malarkey? Balderdash? Doesn’t Hancock realize that using adjectives like that just make his arguments seem MORE out of touch? This guy is like Strom Thurmond filibustering the Civil Rights Act.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
I wish there could’ve been some way to know ahead of time that it was a BCS post, and we could coordinate not to post any comments on it.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
The page views on these posts must be through the roof. How else to explain the same arguments being made ad nauseum?
I’m not even sure that stuff gets tracked internally.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
I did, wish somebody would write a piece about how winning the national championship in D-1 college football has been given too much importance in the past 20 years…I want to blame ESPN for this but can’t prove it for sure
December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
I also find it interesting that someone that mocks tradition has seemingly made it a priority to trash a coach, and pine for his replacement, based on an outdated notion of tradition, and what a certain program “should” be.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
And there’s your problem…
December 9th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Free BBoB.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
It’s not pro free market…a playoff is inherently anti-free market because it’s a system designed to constrain post season play. But cries of “free market” always play well with the rabble, even if a true free market would screw over the little guys even more.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
This guy is like Strom Thurmond filibustering the Civil Rights Act.
I will fuck the help, but I will not pay them a living wage.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Malarkey? Balderdash?
Poppycock!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
What does this even mean? Hancock has lost it
December 9th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
As for bashing all of these awful games in Septmeber… sure there are some uneven matchups, but on the one hand you claim to embolden the lesser teams in lesser conferences with a playoff system (even though most of these teams would still not have a shot at a playoff) and then on the other hand you wish to take away a huge chunk of their funding by ending shit-show non-con games. You realize these lesser teams depend on beatings from the big schools to justify their existence, right?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
So you are arguing that Nevada = Wisconsin?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Strongly disagree. I count one definite and maybe one other time that the BCS did not accurately place the #1 and #2 teams in college football on the field for the National Title game.
a.) Wisconsin is a top 5 team
b.) Nevada’s home field is not quite Camp Randall
c.) I’d welcome an alumni base of millions over one of thousands, too.
I’m not entirely sure I want to read any further or participate any further because while I’m sure there were some things that Hancock wrote that are misguided, this thread is going to be nothing but toxic and regurgitation of previous sentiments.
I say good day.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
The Boise State vs. Virginia Tech game was great.
It really wasn’t. It was chock full of shitty plays and personal fouls. It was just a big game.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Under the current system, 70 schools and hordes of fans arrive days before the big game and immediately become the toast of the town.
What does this even mean? Hancock has lost it
It doesn’t take much to be the toast of the town in Shreveport.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Also, it’s my understanding that teams don’t play any exibition games, so those early season cupcakes are necessary as they’re the first time your team is facing live competition.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
2000, 2001, 2003, 2004
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Under the current system, 70 schools and hordes of fans arrive days before the big game and immediately become the toast of the town.
What does this even mean? Hancock has lost it
It means Hancock is unaware of SC’s distaste for large sporting events heading to his town and fucking with his traffic.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
I say good day.
And a good day to you, sir!
/Walter’d
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
The BCS is for schools that travel well, apparently, because obviously, they’re the reason bunch of bowl games that end great regular seasons are so incredibly important.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Because FSV has a partnership with USA Today. That’s why this happens. Not defending it, just telling you why it happens so often.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
I bet it is.
I’d like to see TBL adopt the Gawker/Deadspin model of making all page views on every post public.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
College Football fans know Hancock is a clown just paid to defend the rich of college football. I didn’t need to read it. We get it. One guy defends the BCS poorly (like he has all season) and we get to rip on it.
Lather.
Rinse.
Repeat.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
It means people go to bowl games, you should try it sometime before shitting over the whole institution…I’ll send you a postcard from Pasadena
December 9th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
That’s pretty self explanatory and I didn’t even read the article. Bowls teams show up to a bowl an get to feel special for 72 hours. The TBL staff has lost it and lost touch with their audience. The argument was fine the first 10 times, but now it’s old and you’re only turning people against it (myself included).
December 9th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
You could say the BCS got it right, but there have been plenty of times when #3 had a legitimate beef.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
That system is corrupt, unfair and should be done away with as soon as it is feasible.
In my system, all of the transactions and business would be transparent, the math would be visible and it would be completely fair!
How? I’m not at liberty to say currently, but rest assured a lot of smart people will be involved.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
TBL, where did Hancock lie in his story?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
I bet it is.
I meant I thought somebody had clicked on the cruise control, and the ship was just running itself lately.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
I know the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce and the city council and mayor’s office hate it when, say, thousands of Clemson fans descend upon the city, and flood the town with $2 bills that have tiger paws stamped on them. Restaurants, hotels, and other attractions in and around the city such as the Georgia Aquarium and the World of Coca Cola can’t stand when these people come to town, and can’t wait for them to leave.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
TBL, where did Hancock lie in his story?
the whole thing is a lie, you dolt.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
In the words of El Pres: GET ME THIS SHIRT! I don’t care if its in Patriots colors. I really don’t. Woodhead is freakin awesome and the Jets are fucking idiots. Love the description:
December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 PM
the World of Coca Cola
dying laughing
December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Where’s Lisk’s playoff proposal?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 PM
I received a $25 gift card to Applebees. Is there anything remotely decent to eat at that place?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:22 PM
Clay is cracking me up
December 9th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
I received a $25 gift card to Applebees. Is there anything remotely decent to eat at that place?
Tyra
December 9th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
So we’ve all agreed that there’s no way TCU is as good as Oregon or Auburn? That’s how the BCS has “worked”?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Spinach and artichoke dip?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Where’s Lisk’s playoff proposal?
he didn’t really elaborate, but he was against the shittiest of bowl games and very much against sitting around all day on New Year’s Day waiting for any game to start.
He favored a +1 and/or an 8 teamer. Last night is when it landed.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
The Maple Butter Blondie is bodacious.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Beer.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Really? A lie? Really?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
I mean, it’s no big metal arch thing, but the rubes from far off places like Methssouri can’t wait to line up and fork over their entrance fee.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
I believe they all have a bar.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
So we’ve all agreed that there’s no way TCU is as good as Oregon or Auburn? That’s how the BCS has “worked”?
Change “as good as” to “more deserving than” which is the real argument.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Parrish – Check your twitter.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Transformers 3 trailer is 2 minutes of boring. I think shockwave is the villian. Just concentrate
On megaton I say
December 9th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
no, not really. I was making a joke. How could somebody who comes here not know I am sarcastic?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
spend it at the bar.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
you can buy chris bermans appetizer
December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
I received a $25 gift card to Applebees. Is there anything remotely decent to eat at that place?
Beer.
That was my first thought, but I can’t see myself sitting at an Applebees bar. I’m just ordering to pick it up.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
I know what your deal is.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
I mean, it’s no big metal arch thing, but the rubes from far off places like Methssouri can’t wait to line up and fork over their entrance fee.
I have no idea what it is, but the Arch would have to change its name to McDonald’s Land for me to be as amused.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Huh? There were valid arguments for a teams in many years. 1998 (4 teams with 1 loss for the #2 spot), 2000 (5 with 1 loss for the #2 spot, FSU over Miami even though Miami BEAT them), 2001 (Nebraska doesn’t win their DIVISION, Oregon aced out), 2003 (The USC,LSU, Oklahoma dance of fools), 2004 (An undefeated SEC Auburn left out), 2006, (Florida and Michigan with 1 loss) , 2007 (The whole 2 loss crew), 2008 (7 teams with 1 loss 7!), 2009 (Even though Alabama/Texas were the best teams a BCS conference undefeated team, Cincinnati is left out.)
That’s 9 out of 12 years there have been valid arguments from other teams to be included in the title game.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
I think you can get a crappy meal for 2 at Applebees for that 25 dollar gift card. I’d gladly swap it for a Rick Reilly book, face value 26.99.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
the whole thing is a lie, you dolt.
Really? A lie? Really?
“Dolt” should have tipped you off.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
go during happy hour. half off apps. their wings and boneless wings are OK get those and a few beers and that should cover $25.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
It tastes better when its free.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
A lot of times gift cards aren’t good on liquor. Quality Applebees do Friday night karoake.
/I heard.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
I know. I was trying to draw TBL out.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
I’d gladly swap it for a Rick Reilly book, face value 26.99.
That’s just ridonkulous.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
At her absolute finest in season 2. She pulled off the short haircut.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
That’s 9 out of 12 years there have been valid arguments from other teams to be included in the title game.
nobody but this dumb old motherfucker from USA today and Tony Kornheiser are actually FOR the BCS to continue as is indefinitely. But only a moron continues to beat the drum of a nonsensical replacement plan with no chance of ever coming to pass.
From 2 to 4 is so easy. And from 4, 8 is so visible.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 PM
actually, this is my favorite line:
College football has the best regular season of any sport
so false.
Lisk exposed it yesterday.
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/12/08/crappy-bowl-games-have-ruined-the-college-football-regular-season/
December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 PM
it most certainly does. TBL is a business man, he definitely knows what lines his pockets. so, he created an ad hoc committee to track pageviews.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Ah well the World of Coca Cola is this kind of museum thing that tells you all about Coca Cola, it’s founding, and on and on, and then you get to the end, and can sample different Coke products from around the world, and then buy crappy Coke memorabilia at the gift shop. People that come down out of the hills can’t get enough of it.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Yep, it’s all spelled out in this giant spreadsheet right here, Auburn is clearly .06 units more deserving than you. Sorry guys.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Ah. Sensible. And he backs up my argument that teams dont play anybody nonconference in the current system with very few exceptions.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
That’s just ridonkulous.
I’ll throw in a 5 dollar starbucks card that I couldn’t use unless I drove 90 miles.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
I received a $25 gift card to Applebees. Is there anything remotely decent to eat at that place?
Tyra
At her absolute finest. (NSFW)
December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
By the way Duffy, wouldn’t the quoted stuff still be used in your replacement tourney?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Oregon, whatever.
/wanking motion
December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
I’m not sure what you guys were expecting Bill Hancock to say. His job is to hype the BCS. Did you think he was going to furiously demand a 16-team playoff or something?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
/Drink semen’d
What sport does then?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Lisk exposed it yesterday.
if that link goes to a picture of Lisk’s peenie, I’m going to be really upset.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Still contains factual inaccuracies. Even after they were pointed out.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Ah well the World of Coca Cola is this kind of museum thing that tells you all about Coca Cola, it’s founding, and on and on, and then you get to the end, and can sample different Coke products from around the world, and then buy crappy Coke memorabilia at the gift shop. People that come down out of the hills can’t get enough of it.
Sold.
(goes to Southwest.com, not sure why)
December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
What regular season is better?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
By the way Duffy, wouldn’t the quoted stuff still be used in your replacement tourney?
as he said yesterday, he would use a system that is transparent and fair. That’s really all the detail you need.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
That’s just ridonkulous.
I’ll throw in a 5 dollar starbucks card that I couldn’t use unless I drove 90 miles.
Check the woods over by Owl Creek. There should be one in there.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
For some reason, comments 99 and 100 back-to-back make me laugh.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Ha.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
Bags fly free!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 PM
The one where you can lose 40% of your games and still be considered world champion at the end of the year.
/MLB, NFL, the Big East, possibly, in Duffy’s 8 team playoff.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:35 PM
well, clearly it’s the NBA because fan interest is through the roof!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Why does this change with a playoff? There’s the biggest fallacy in Lisk’s post…if you go with the Wetzel, errr, TBL Plan it’s still winning your conference that gets you in and at-larges would be decided using a system akin to the BCS so the risk of a loss is still huge
(And this is overlooking all the economic problems with teams playing as many road games as fans seem to think they should against other top teams, you need home games to earn revenue for your entire athletic department)
December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Under the NFL system, the NFC West became irrelevant at about the same time. Good thing they get a “shot” at the title.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Hey now, the best teams of all time don’t win 70% of their games in MLB. Nature of the sport.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Lisk explained how crappy bowls force the mediocre teams to think about bowl eligibility at the cost of scheduling other BCS opponents. The regular season is still very exciting for teams with a real shot at National Title contention. In most years, one less ends your hopes for a ring. The same cannot be said in any other sport.
And I am in favor of a +1 or 4 team playoff, but you have to stop speaking in such absolutes. Other people have opinions that are just as valid as yours.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Yep. And Uconn would be in the playoff. But TCU wouldn’t be left out. I think all this BCS/Playoff arguing would go down a lot smoother if everyone realized that there are too many teams and not enough time to settle on one true, “on the field” determined champion.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Other people have opinions that are just as valid as yours.
You’re wrong.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Lisk explained how crappy bowls force the mediocre teams to think about bowl eligibility at the cost of scheduling other BCS opponents. The regular season is still very exciting for teams with a real shot at National Title contention. In most years, one less ends your hopes for a ring. The same cannot be said in any other sport.
And I am in favor of a +1 or 4 team playoff, but you have to stop speaking in such absolutes. Other people have opinions that are just as valid as yours.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
It wouldn’t unless you increased the number of at-large bids and did away with auto-bids, which will never happen.
But many make the argument that a playoff would weaken the regular season and make it so no teams would be less likely to schedule tough opponents.
So my argument is that the net effect would be zero.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
college hockey!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Cot freaking damn it…. he always fucking wins.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Yep. And Uconn would be in the playoff. But TCU wouldn’t be left out.
How many one loss teams were left out, though? At least 4. And for no other reason than “because they didn’t get picked.”
/transparent, and fair
December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Which is the reason why most top teams won’t schedule tough nonconference opponents.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Going with the Ultimate Trio. Queso dip, Shrimp, and Wings. Can’t go wrong with that. The chick said my meal will be ready in 11 minutes. I found that odd, but she’s on the clock now.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
I’m trying to decide if I should be as excited as I am that I’m in Vegas for the Las Vegas Bowl between Boise St and Utah. Got solid and cheap seats before the announcement that Boise was involved on Saturday and am excited to bet on the over and Boise to cover.
Does anyone know if Vegas will allow betting on the Las Vegas Bowl that’s a few miles from the sportsbooks?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
He has to stretch the truth to get there. In his example, 1990 Virginia Tech counts as a good team. They were 6-5, and not anywhere near what you would consider a good out of conference game.
But there would be an ad hoc committee, with transparency. No idea what criteria they would use, or if the criteria would be the same year to year, or if the committee would be made up of the same people from year to year, or even who would make up the committee, but there’s a committee. And transparency.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Nicely phrased.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
And this brings us to the worst part of these incessant BCS/Playoff posts.
TBL makes it a right/wrong issue. You’re either with him, or against him. Not only is that extremely off-putting and demeaning, it’s downright ignorant.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
What is the point of giving Jersey a mean name if it doesn’t reference Notre Dame and its dead kids, Kenny Chesney, or pederasty? Just a missed opportunity all around.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
but there’s a committee. And transparency.
you cynically failed to mention all the fairness that everybody gets, also at no cost to them.
/ad hoc’d
December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
People bet on UNLV games all the time so I’d imagine this is the case
December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
The sooner everyone gets rid of this word from their arguments, the happier we’ll all be.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Thanks for putting a smile on my face.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
He didn’t actually do a proposal because Duffy’s was so on point.
But he wrote this yesterday
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/12/08/crappy-bowl-games-have-ruined-the-college-football-regular-season/
December 9th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Actually the trend seems to be “bowl” games (games at neutral fields) to begin the year – See Alabama, LSU, Virginia Tech, et al.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
And yet, fans continued to buy tickets, go to games, and watch them on tv. Oh, and up until Boise fraudchoked against Nevada, everybody everywhere was paying attention to everything Virginia Tech did.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
I think this is a false narrative.
Many BCS teams schedule at least one other elite program per year. For example, OSU has home-and-homes with Miami, Cal, Va Tech, Oklahoma and Tennessee through 2019. The reason you don’t see 3-4 blockbuster non conference games in one year is because the big boys need the revenue from home games to cover the expenses of the non-revenue sports. They need at least 7 home games a year and would prefer 8.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
What is the point of giving Jersey a mean name if it doesn’t reference Notre Dame and its dead kids, Kenny Chesney, or pederasty? Just a missed opportunity all around.
CJ won, and she’s catholic too.
I should have suggested, The Cheesiest MFing Black Guy of All Time, but I was busy being faux outraged about the treatment homosexuals get in Uganda from 6 months ago.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
In the 80′s and 90′s people excoriated Nebraska for their weak non-conf schedule, and rightfully so. It was pathetic year in year out save for maybe one tough game against a UCLA or Washington. They do the exact same thing now only nobody complains because that’s exactly what every other team now does.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
Oh, so it’s like government. That’s fair.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
uh, that’s the case in the NFL, too.
(let’s stick to comparing football to football, and hoops to hoops)
December 9th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Ritty – you leave the MLB regular season alone, please.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Hey someone that actually makes sense on here. Welcome! You’ll be called clueless soon enough by our fearless leader.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Got through the AP top 10 and tell me their toughest nonconference opponent. I agree that OSU schedules one tough game a year (Tex, USC, Miami)
But teams could still schedule two big games a year and solve your home game problem by playing one tough team at home and one on the road each year.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
(let’s stick to comparing football to football, and hoops to hoops)
the playoff model you ceaselessly espouse is a bastardization of the NCAA basketball tournament.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Maybe he’s on Team Duffy now…that format was loads better than Wetzel’s bullshit
December 9th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Sorry, you’re right. I actually do love that marathon. Maybe I should have just made fun on that St. Louis Cardinals team that won the WS a couple years ago.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Where’s Lisk’s playoff proposal?
he didn’t really elaborate, but he was against the shittiest of bowl games and very much against sitting around all day on New Year’s Day waiting for any game to start.
He favored a +1 and/or an 8 teamer. Last night is when it landed.
I didn’t put a specific plan. I would say +1 for sure, but I’d be cool with Duffy’s plan from a few days ago with the exceptions that I would have 1) a minimum requirement for BCS conference champion (ranked in top 15 or something similar) 2) I would have minimum hurdles for at-larges who did not win their conference to clear (2+ non-conf wins over BCS schools or ranked non-BCS schools), then the highest ranked teams that met that criteria get in, and 3) you don’t get to host a game if you did not win your conference.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
/pauses Justin Timberlake song
Huh? What?
/Presses Play
December 9th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Maybe he’s on Team Duffy now…that format was loads better than Wetzel’s bullshit
it was certainly plausible, but I hate the idea of guaranteeing a spot to 6 teams in an 8 team playoff, regardless of record.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 PM
But think about how much more devastated you would be if that 45-3 drubbing at the hands of Belichick ENDED YOUR SEASON? Think about how much more would have been on the line. This is a reality when undefeated elite college football programs hit the field each Saturday.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:50 PM
the playoff model you ceaselessly espouse is a bastardization of the NCAA basketball tournament.
Balderdash!!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Auburn played Clemson. But who cares. A) Clemson sucked this year but who knew that would happen when the game was scheduled 5 years ago? B) Look at the rest of Auburn’s schdule. We don’t need a top-10 non-con game on our resume.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Only if you tell me who’s in the 2019 AP top 10. Because we’re already scheduling that far out. If you can see that far into the future, then you could probably be doing something far more productive than bitching about non conference scheduling.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Holy shat the BCS sucks! Im a Texas Tech Alum and we dont deserve to be in the post season. You only need 6 wins to make the post season, thats bullshit! Great article!!!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I’m on board with this. But those ADs want to get 8 home games if they only had 7 the year before. This is a big problem right now with the proposed 9 game conference schedule for the Big Ten.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Still contains factual inaccuracies. Even after they were pointed out.
Other than needing to correct the Tampa/Jacksonville/Orlando New Year’s Day bowl I incorrectly put the Jackets in, what else?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Only if you tell me who’s in the 2019 AP top 10. Because we’re already scheduling that far out. If you can see that far into the future, then you could probably be doing something far more productive than bitching about non conference scheduling.
When Mizzou scheduled SEMO I thought they saw something in our program.
(runs away crying)
December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
3) you don’t get to host a game if you did not win your conference.
I didn’t realize you were a San Diego Chargers fan. That’s how they get all their playoff home games.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Agreed, I said this the other day…we have no problem using computer models or transparent committees to rank individual teams…why not use these same methods to rank entire conferences and use that each year to select your auto-qualifiers?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Ok, I’ll do it.
Auburn – Clemson
Oregon-Tennessee
TCU- Oregon St., Baylor
Stanford – Wake Forest
Wisconsin- Arizona St.
OSU- Miami
Oklahoma- FSU
Arkansas- Texas a&M
Michigan St.- ND
As an added bonus LSU played UNC and West Virginia this year. sure could the big boys add another BCS team, yeah. But why would they? Esepcially teams in the Pac 10 (true round robin) and SEC that play hard conference schedules. Schools lose money on playing the road portion of the home and home series. Money is the bottom line and we keep having these arguments without taking that into account.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
When we find something you and JHS actually do like, I will personally throw a huge mfing party.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
I think the word A$$hat is not a moderation worthy word
December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Holy shat the BCS sucks! Im a Texas Tech Alum and we dont deserve to be in the post season. You only need 6 wins to make the post season, thats bullshit! Great article!!!
I have a diploma!!!
!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
In his example, 1990 Virginia Tech counts as a good team. They were 6-5, and not anywhere near what you would consider a good out of conference game.
Beamer Ball!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Please.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Yes. That is perfectly acceptable behavior in my book.
There’s an inherent difference between pro and… forget it.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
All of this. It is very rare when a team schedules a game the year before. It happened with Boise and UGA for next year, but most are done 4+ years in advance.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
When we find something you and JHS actually do like, I will personally throw a huge mfing party.
I like 8 teams no AQ’s. Top 8, whoever they are, based on whatever model somebody wants, as long as everybody knows what it is, and the little guys can game it like Boise and TCU are doing lately.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
aren’t you wanting to change college football into college hoops?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
TBL alt?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Please. A Playoff would lead to WORSE regular season matches. We had SEVERAL great ones this year.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Lol. Perfect!
December 9th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Maybe he’s on Team Duffy now…that format was loads better than Wetzel’s bullshit
it was certainly plausible, but I hate the idea of guaranteeing a spot to 6 teams in an 8 team playoff, regardless of record.
How about a stipulation that for any team to qualify for an “auto-bid” said team must be at least ranked in the Top 15 (or some other predetermined qualification), or something of that nature. If the AQ team does not qualify that bid goes to an At-Large team that does.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
damn, MIke, how’d we miss Colts -3??
http://contests.covers.com/Handicapping/ConsensusPick/consensus-pick.aspx?sport=NFL&sportId=1&eventId=27983
85% of people on Colts, but i still would have taken them at 3. i only see 4 now. Forget that
December 9th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Right, each Saturday.. that is until the Saturday after you lose a game. Then it means very little. I’d much rather not have one regular season game decide the whole season. That’s what playoffs are for.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Sparty banning…
December 9th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Dirt, I lolled as well. Jersey, did you ever submit your senate resolution on a college football playoff system?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
If the AQ team does not qualify that bid goes to an At-Large team that does.
I don’t think people need to own semi-automatic qualifiers.
(slaps knee)
December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
My issue is suppose that conference is just so good, everyone has knocked each other senseless when you get to the end of the season. What if that conference is better than everyone else, but there is some kind of parity amongst those teams in that specific conference?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
“and worse — but that’s malarkey.”
Hancock lost me so quickly with this line.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
Dude, the guy is employed to pimp the system…Do you want him to say it sucks? Don’t hold your breath cause he’s not. He was given a platform to give his side of the BCS, and for most of his article I don’t agree with him.
However, I’m not going to fault him for defending the system that employs him.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
Sparty banning…
I made a little joke, and my comment was moderated because of that word. So I thought I’d do an a$$hatty workaround and complain, like a cunt (which is somehow not moderated).
December 9th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
Please… please… Owen Hart part 2.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
This is perfect, isn’t it? Argument over?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
People bitched about PSU playing Syracuse for 2 years. Guess what – those games were scheduled after Syracuse went 4 straight seasons winning 9 or more games. How was PSU to know Greg Robinson would run them into the ground in 3 years ?
December 9th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
CJ, the broader point is that the regular season IS THE PLAYOFF.
If you get knocked out of playoff contention, you alter your goals. As an Ohio State fan, if/when they lose a regular season game my focus is turned to winning the Big Ten, getting to the Rose Bowl (or other BCS Game) and beating Michigan.
December 9th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
My issue is suppose that conference is just so good, everyone has knocked each other senseless when you get to the end of the season. What if that conference is better than everyone else, but there is some kind of parity amongst those teams in that specific conference?
This is what happened in the Big East this year
December 9th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Agree to disagree, I don’t think it would change.
And we had a few great matchups this year, not several. Here’s week 3 of this year’s schedule:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/schedule/_/week/3
Please show me all of these great nonconference games that happened.
Schedules open up all the time, maybe not the immediate season, but 2-3 years down the road certainly. And I love that a big nonconference matchup gets a press release and front page mention on ESPN.com. These games were to be expected. Even Notre Dame has stopped scheduling so tough.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
is pelini not allowed on this site? that was the worst word in my moderated comment
December 9th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
honestly, I didn’t realize what I said was funny. That’s the once I’m not trying to be funny, and I got two laughs.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
yawn
December 9th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
What was your second toughest nonconference game those years?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
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playoff contentionnational title contention)December 9th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
The Virginia Tech thing was overly gratuitous. That was Beamer’s fourth year in Blacksburg, and they had gone 2-9, 3-8, 6-4-1, and would end 1990 at 6-5, and go 5-6 and 2-8-1 the next two years. Historically, up until Beamer took over, Virginia Tech had only been to six bowl games ever. They weren’t a good team that year, they weren’t a good program having a bad year, or a once mighty program experiencing a downturn. They were out and out crappy, as a team in 1990, and as a program. But they get cited as a good team that teams scheduled. Also, the fact that the ACC consisted of 8 teams, the SWC still existed, and the SEC had yet to expand is overlooked. If, as your post says, Virginia Tech was a quality OOC game for UVA in 1990, then UVA shouldn’t be penalized or criticized for their scheduling now that VPISU is in their same conference.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I’m very much a fan of the Duffy plan. But I don’t want that finalized yet. Ultimately, I’m a fan of just not having a national champion or any games that indicate one. There are too many teams and not sufficient time to actually decide that.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
My team lost in the 3rd week of the season. They still had a shot at the Rose Bowl after a non-conference loss in Tucson. I cared very much about beating Wisconsin, Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan and Michigan State.
Butters didn’t stop caring about the Badgers after they dropped a game in East Lansing. He knew the Badgers were still in the driver’s seat for the Rose Bowl. Do you know how many times I’ve typed this?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Why would anyone complain about scheduling Syracuse? They should have an all-time pass, like Notre Dame gets. I’m serious about that, btw
December 9th, 2010 at 1:02 PM
is pelini not allowed on this site? that was the worst word in my moderated comment
Did you call him a bl++ding socia!ist a$$hat?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:02 PM
This is perfect, isn’t it? Argument over?
it’s not plausible.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
This is what made it funny, Dirt: and the little guys can game it like Boise and TCU are doing lately.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Only if you’re obsessed with the national championship…I cared about the games following the Michigan State loss because they did mean something
December 9th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
On point? “So false,” to quote someone else.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Which part? Your plan or the argument being over?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
oregon sucks.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
my plan is not plausible, whether I like it or not.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Only if you’re obsessed with the national championship…I cared about the games following the Michigan State loss because they did mean something
CJ and TBL watch college football for vastly different reasons than you do.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
ya the osu-washington series from a few years ago was scheduled back in 1993 or 94
December 9th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
moderation?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Yeah! Exactly! But seriously, if this is going to be proven right, they couldn’t have drawn a better opponent.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
He has to stretch the truth to get there. In his example, 1990 Virginia Tech counts as a good team. They were 6-5, and not anywhere near what you would consider a good out of conference game.
listen here, you want to call me out for cherrypicking, let’s go at it. Maybe I picked a bad team there, but perhaps they were 6-5 because they lost to Florida State and Georgia Tech, and they destroyed a Virginia team that had been #1 and played in the Sugar Bowl. SRS has them as the 31st best team that year, and if they scheduled like in 2010, they would have been an 8-4 team in a mid-level bowl.
I probably could have picked better examples (I was flashing back to the Bruce Smith teams and a few years early on some other good VT teams), but here’s the full list of teams that played multiple top 10 teams that year, Temple arguably the worst:
Notre Dame
Colorado
Stanford
Illinois
Tennessee
S Carolina
Va Tech
California
Iowa
Kansas
Indiana
Tex Tech
Pitt
BC
Syracuse
Penn St
OU
Miami
MSU
Purdue
USC
Auburn
Florida
Temple
Alabama
UCLA
Maryland
December 9th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Going through the top 10:
1) Auburn – 9/18 – Clemson
2) Oregon – 9/11 – Tennessee
3) TCU – 9/4 – Oregon State
4) Stanford – 9/25 – @ ND
5) Wisconsin – 9/18 – Arizona State
6) Ohio State – 9/11 – Miami
7) Oklahoma – 9/11 – FSU
8) Arkansas – 10/9 – Texas A&M
9) Michigan State -9/18 – Notre Dame
10) Boise State – 9/6 – Virginia Tech
Those are solid matchups. Some teams turned out to suck more than other but that is how it goes these days…
December 9th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Shame the timing didn’t work out for some epic Steve Bellesari-Marques Tuiasosopo matchups
December 9th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
I’m surprised that comment came from Dirt.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
We’ll get a playoff when ESPN gives enough money to the BCS that they can’t say no.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
oregon sucks.
repeatedly saying Oregon sucks sucks. Who cares if Oregon sucks? Tell me again in a month that Oregon sucks, but stop telling me for a month.
Tell me both participants of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, or the Lady Remington Vagina Maintenence Razor Bowl suck. There’s just too many ballgames between now and when Oregon sucks is relevant again.
Tell me how you feel about your pro team being an underdog to Buffalo.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
It’s very ideal. It’s perfect. It’s “fair”. But it can’t happen. I think what NEEDS to happpen first to achieve cfb postseason nirvana is that they need to reduce the number of teams in the FBS. Then those teams that are left need to join a conference (that means you too, alma mater). Again, if no one really cares about this, then it’s whatever man. But if people really do care about getting a national champion, they need to reduce the number of eligible teams from the beginning.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
I was flashing back to the Bruce Smith teams
better recognize
December 9th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Oregon St. and a bowl eligible Temple team. Both are better than the drivel Nebraska scheduled beyond VT those years.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
I’m surprised that comment came from Dirt.
I’m evil now.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:10 PM
oh now that’s straight up dogshit right there.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
the Colorado sked in 1990 once again backs up the claim that nobody plays anyone anymore. you schedule a national title.
college football’s regular season has been incredibly watered down over the last 20 years. blame falls upon the system. the big boys have it set up nicely – don’t play anyone, win out, and you’re good to go.
small guys like TCU? well, you gotta play people – good luck with that – and then even if you win out, sorry bout your luck.
plenty of smart people loiter in the comments … how this is all not painfully obvious is mystifying.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Perfect. Now tell me their second toughest opponent. This is the real difference.
What we need are more early season neutral game sites with big matchups. This is why in my world of things that would never happen, I’d move the bowl games to Labor Day weekend (Thru-Mon) with Labor Day as the new New Year’s Day.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:12 PM
loiter lol
December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 PM
oh now that’s straight up dogshit right there.
you gotta focus on what’s coming up. In the Lady Remington Vagina Maintenence Razor Bowl it’s 4-8 Tennessee Tech versus 3-10 Central Michigan. That’s something to be up in arms about. And it’s happening tonight.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 PM
TCU played oklahoma a decent bit in the past decade. hasn’t turned out too well for the ol’ horny frogs aside from one year. so i guess TCU has had good luck with that.
boise played georgia too…but that was before boise started making outrageous demands.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 PM
And the other year? I think just Temple. Which was probably scheduled when they were 0-12 (if I were to make your argument about scheduling in advance).
And you’re absolutely right about Nebraska.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:13 PM
small guys like TCU? well, you gotta play people
hit me with that huge list of teams TCU played. I’m loitering until you do.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Bill Hancock, is that you?
Now, take a gander at the Colorado schedule in 1990 (as Lisk’s post stated).
Then, laugh at the current regular season schedules of top teams.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Agreed, too much emphasis on the national championship…back in the day you were out to win your conference and bowl game and whatever happened after that happened, left the schedule open to put better games on there
December 9th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
lol.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
I agree. I seem to remember plenty of arguments over how one team didn’t really play anyone and now all of sudden every team faces a murderer’s row.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
What was your second toughest nonconference game those years?
Oregon St. and a bowl eligible Temple team. Both are better than the drivel Nebraska scheduled beyond VT those years.
You mean the years when your coach was still alive??
December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
Your stubbornness is what is mystifying. You haven’t ONCE admitted to the cons of a playoff, but you keep alluding to the idea that people whoa re on the other side of the fence aren’t intelligent. That shit needs to cease, brotha. There isn’t a lot of fairness in just about every sport when it comes to the postseason. We need to stop acting like everything is going to be or should be fair when it comes to sports and logistics.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
college football’s regular season has been incredibly watered down over the last 20 years. blame falls upon the system. the big boys have it set up nicely – don’t play anyone, win out, and you’re good to go.
I honestly have no clue why you think a championship playoff is going to change that. If they can make #2 without playing anybody, why can’t they qualify for that tourney without playing anybody?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 PM
we went over this, using Boise as an example.
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/09/10/why-would-ole-miss-pay-boise-state-900k-for-a-game-but-nebraska-wont-cough-up-1-million/
i give Georgia props for playing Boise in the future (albeit in their backyard, like VT did). of course, who knows if Petersen will still be there …
December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 PM
You were Tomax and now you’re Xamot?
You’ll always be Clayton to me, even though I don’t get emails from you anymore.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:16 PM
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Does that count only out of conference games against top ten teams, or is that total schedule? Because some of those teams on that list get their multiple games against top ten teams by playing conference games. And still, it’s not an apples to apples comparison, because the conferences aren’t constituted today like they were 20 years ago. Hell, they won’t be the same next year as they are this year. It’s not your fault, but the comparison is just bad. You can’t find a good way to compare OOC scheduling today to a time when far more teams were independent, and conference schedules consisted of 7 games, especially given that we’re headed to nine game conference slates. Again, I understand the point you were trying to make, but the comparison is faulty.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:18 PM
I prefer “brutha.” It’s more Desmond-ish.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:18 PM
I actually think there is incentive for everyone to schedule New Mexico, whether it’s Auburn or TCU.
Sure, playing and beating an AQ school would put TCU’s fate in their own hands, but are the odds better for them that way than if they played their current schedule and finished unbeaten? They were this close to the championship game.
The system incentives everyone to have boring, uncompetitive non-conference schedules.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Fothermucker.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
their silence towards the validity of your opinions is painfully obvious.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Maybe they’re all blind when it comes to college football…
Or maybe they’re more cognizant than you of the new realities of football economics that pretty much rule out multiple high profile non-conference games without a 3rd party paying both teams for losing a home date.
You keep on harping on various things, and when people point out WHY those things happen, you ignore them. To have the audacity to say what you just said confirms that you have just as much of a clue as the people you constantly belittle for not sharing your myopic point of view.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
I was listing the best from each of the two years. I know the 2nd year sucked.
Here’s the top two non-con games for PSU in the coming years:
2011 ‘Bama and Temple
2012 Virginia and Navy
2013 Syracuse and Virginia (though one spot still to fill)
2014/15 Rutgers and ????? (many spots to fill)
December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
we went over this, using Boise as an example.
no, no, no, no, no. You tell me what teams TCU played this year, when they had to play tough games to try and make it.
And if you tell me Oregon State, well that’s a shitty team Oregon was allowed to play in the schedule where they don’t play anybody.
Oregon State either sucks or they don’t. Boise played them, too.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
8 or 16 teams in a playoff means you can’t duck anyone if you want the title. schedule cupcakes all you want, but if you want a shot at a title, you gotta win it on the field.
why should Wisconsin & Stanford be penalized for a shot at the title this year because their loss came on the road, while a team like Bama played 8 games at home?
a playoff eliminates the laughable schedule imbalances. you beat 3-4 teams in a playoff? you earned it.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:20 PM
Are we not getting these, though? Chick Fil A and the cfb HOF are sponsoring a double dip in the Dome going forward, with a game on Saturday and a game on Monday. The Capital Kickoff or whatever was a rousing success, and I imagine we’ll see more of it.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:20 PM
So, Colorado should schedule Illinois, Notre Dame and Washington. And then be sent to the Orange Bowl no matter what, even if they lost those 3. And if they won those 3, tough shit, no chance of #1 vs. #2. The variables have changed, and the argument is ridiculous without accounting for those variables. Looking 20 years back and saying “It’s so different” is disingenuous at best. Plenty of smart people “writing” for TBL, and their bias is painfully obvious. If it stirs up the hornets nest, run with it.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:20 PM
even though I don’t get emails from you anymore.
I can’t very well fraternize with the enemy.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
But I’m black, he’s scottish. It just doesn’t translate as well. Oh, also, whenever I use the word brotha, just insert the n-word and that’s what I really meant.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
stanford should be penalized for giving up fitty and playing in the pac-10.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
a playoff eliminates the laughable schedule imbalances. you beat 3-4 teams in a playoff? you earned it.
but if you’re #2, and you beat #1 in a 2 team playoff, it’s just plain old corrupt bullshit, and you didnt’ earn it?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
there is some major sorrow and regret embedded in this comment.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
Does that count only out of conference games against top ten teams, or is that total schedule? Because some of those teams on that list get their multiple games against top ten teams by playing conference games. And still, it’s not an apples to apples comparison, because the conferences aren’t constituted today like they were 20 years ago. Hell, they won’t be the same next year as they are this year. It’s not your fault, but the comparison is just bad. You can’t find a good way to compare OOC scheduling today to a time when far more teams were independent, and conference schedules consisted of 7 games, especially given that we’re headed to nine game conference slates. Again, I understand the point you were trying to make, but the comparison is faulty.
Would you like a post on top teams now and then, and overall strength of schedule (so we don’t care if they come non-conf, conf or as independent)? I don’t know the answer yet, but I can take a pretty good guess what the answer will be.
Would that satisfy you?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
TBL, that was 20 years ago. The talent pool is deeper and quality players are distributed more evenly across the board now. There are MANY more “mid-major” teams that are competitive with BCS schools now than there were in 1990.
I wonder what the average ticket cost was in 1990? I wonder what the average concession haul was? I wonder how much they charged for tailgate spots? I would imagine that securing those 8 home games was not as important 20 years ago.
Dude, these people partially agree with you but your delivery is so off-putting that you are driving them to the other side of the argument.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:23 PM
8 or 16 teams in a playoff means you can’t duck anyone if you want the title. schedule cupcakes all you want, but if you want a shot at a title, you gotta win it on the field.
why should Wisconsin & Stanford be penalized for a shot at the title this year because their loss came on the road, while a team like Bama played 8 games at home?
a playoff eliminates the laughable schedule imbalances. you beat 3-4 teams in a playoff? you earned it.
That’s not fixing the regular season pard.
But you don’t care about that.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Look at a map much? That was a heavily VT crowd, but the team felt the same travel effects as they would have for a road game. Atlanta is much closer to Athens than Blacksburg is to Landover.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:23 PM
pard. I can’t say pard?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:23 PM
So if a team beat FIU and then perhaps the UConn/UCF winner (all conference champs) to make the national semi-final you’d be OK with that?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
A few things. One most conferences used to play only 6 games a year. Look at 1981 Clemson for example:
September 5* Wofford Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC
September 12* at Tulane Louisiana Superdome • New Orleans, LA
September 19* #4 Georgia Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC
October 3* at Kentucky #14 Commonwealth Stadium • Lexington, KY
October 10† Virginia #9 Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC
October 17 at Duke #6 Wallace Wade Stadium • Durham, NC
October 24 N.C. State #4 Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC
October 31 Wake Forest #3 Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC W 82-24
November 7 at #9[11] North Carolina #2
November 14 Maryland #2 Memorial Stadium • Clemson, SC W 21-7
November 23* at South Carolina Williams-Brice Stadium
So they had 5 games to schedule out of conference. In that spot…Wofford, Tulane, Georgia (used to be an annual game), Kentucky, and South Carolina (annual)
A tough schedule that featured two ranked teams (Georgia and North Carolina) that was able to happen because of 5 spots to schedule.
Last year Alabama played Virginia Tech to open the season, then 8 SEC games that included ranked Ole Miss, LSU, and South Carolina
Conference schedules started expanding from 6 to 7 in the late 80s, and then 8 games in the early 90s.
That’s the reason schedules became so light…not because teams discovered some magic championship formula…That has been around since forever. (See: Alabama 1960-1982)
December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
+ eleventy billion
The goddamn BCS got started because of idiots screaming about the bowls. The same “dolts” now screaming “PLAYOFF,” and it hurt the regular season. We all know this. Welcome to becoming a college football fan yesterday. MORE playoffs will only make it WORSE. Jesus, the ignorance is mind-bottling.
/bromes’d
December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
well, at least this isn’t the same post from yesterday. Or a few days ago.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
I don’t know what this means, but it’s making me thirsty.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
there is some major sorrow and regret embedded in this comment.
that was back in the days when I was constantly called TBL’s penis maintenance man, and teacher’s pet, despite the fact that little has actually changed.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 PM
But I thought schedules were filled 10 years in advance!?!?
We’re getting a few, but I’d like to see more of them, thus moving bowl games to the beginning of the season (kind of like early college basketball tourneys). Then you could have bowl games (legitimately) in Chicago, KC, NY, D.C., etc. with major matchups. Not going to happen, though, I know.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Frustrating how this constantly goes overlooked by people who just want CFB changed to satisfy their own amusement
December 9th, 2010 at 1:25 PM
are you talking postseason or regular season? cause it sounds like you’re talking about the postseason.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Why is Colorado’s 1990 schedule relevant if that was pre-BCS?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Do you have any fucking idea how much that will inconvenience SouvenirCity?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:28 PM
Because Bama played 7 games at home…not 8
December 9th, 2010 at 1:28 PM
8 or 16 teams in a playoff means you can’t duck anyone if you want the title.
are you talking postseason or regular season? cause it sounds like you’re talking about the postseason.
TBL: changing the argument since 2006.
/moderation?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:29 PM
TBL: changing the argument since 2006.
you just don’t get it.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Maybe it would help if I understood what your point was. Is it out of conference scheduling? Because as I pointed out, there’s not a good way to compare 1990 to today. Is it overall scheduling? Because then you’re punishing teams like Miami and Virginia Tech for having to play teams like Duke and teams that fell off a cliff like Virginia, because they’re in conference now, and in the same division. I mean, if the point is that 8 team conferences were better, and the bowl matchups were awesome, and all on the same day, even though a team like Boise would never ever see the bright lights of a New Year’s Day bowl, that’s one thing, but to hang it all on the notion that teams up and decided to quit scheduling good games is patently ridiculous.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:31 PM
not this again
December 9th, 2010 at 1:32 PM
The best thing to do JPQ is to just walk away.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:32 PM
Maybe it would help if I understood what your point was.
that he works hard on his lawn, and your footprints mess up the pattern. And his wife planted those tulips herself, and she has arthritis.
Seriously though, there should be nothing but bowl games on New Year’s day, and they should all be awesome. At least 4 games, preferably the 4 non championship BCSers.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
If you don’t agree with TBL then you’re a clueless idiot.
Haven’t we been over this already? His opinion is gospel and we’re just lining his pockets full of Alexander Hamiltons. Just once on this site I would like to see one of the higher ups write a “I was wrong” piece instead of striking though the post like it didn’t exist.
Ahem, Bernard Berrian.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
label the entire cfb season as “playoffs” and everyone will be happy
December 9th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
The best thing to do JPQ is to just walk away.
all I’m doing. I said the same thing in the first 100 posts on this. I’ve avoided the last 200 like the Cholera in Haiti
December 9th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
If I get to hit you with my car*, it makes it all worth it.
* – don’t own one, will rent one though if I get to hit you with it
December 9th, 2010 at 1:35 PM
I agree with what you said, but we also shouldn’t pretend that this is something that “just happened” to all these schools that now make up the BCS AQ conferences. They structured the system this way — over years, sure — but it was their decisions.
What I think Lisk is saying, and I agree that:
– The old way made for a better regular season
– Any sense of “tradition”, both in the regular season and bowl season, is watered down to the point of near non-existence, with the exception of a few conference rivalry games
– A playoff at this point is preferable for those reasons and on top of that, the whole “we’d love to have a champion who is legitimate and fairly decided” thing
December 9th, 2010 at 1:35 PM
I CHALLENGE THE KING OF DUCK HUNT TO A DUEL!!!
December 9th, 2010 at 1:35 PM
Maybe it would help if I understood what your point was.
To test whether schedules for top teams are weaker or whether they are just playing more tough games in conference because of the extra conference games. If the overall schedule strength is the same, then your point about fewer conference games back then would be valid.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:36 PM
I would very much enjoy this and so would my inevitable wretched hangover.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:36 PM
YOU’RE GOING DOWN, WHITE BREAD.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
You may never get to physically hurt me in this manner, but rest assured the emotional scars from this will last a lifetime.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
so…uh…how do we do this?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
Post it. And post it before 5pm EST on a Friday afternoon.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:40 PM
ding ding ding
December 9th, 2010 at 1:40 PM
uh…I was hoping…you’d know…
December 9th, 2010 at 1:41 PM
do you know how many times it has fallen on deaf ears?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:41 PM
perhaps a congress of duck hunt?
December 9th, 2010 at 1:41 PM
so…uh…how do we do this?
I think he lubricates his penis, and you also lubricate your anus. and then he puts the penis into you.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
Has anyone said lugubrious in this thread? I’d like to add that word to the record
December 9th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
that’s it…im telling on you.
OH SHIT! I BLEW MY SNITCH COVER!
December 9th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
I thought that was special for you and Spence, Dirt. I don’t want to take him away from you.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:44 PM
I told you I was evil now
December 9th, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Yawn.
December 9th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
jeff foster bad defense last night baller
December 9th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
One problem with your argument, EVERYTHING is free market… all the idiots who watch the bowl games, talk about the BCS, and go to the games is the reason it’s okay and won’t go away… I hate the BCS, so I watch FCS playoff games, and ignore every bowl game except the championship. As long as you (and everyone else) continue to put money in the pockets of BCS, why would they stop it… someone in the NCAA did the math and figured out that somehow (and I find it hard to believe, but the thought of the NCAA passing up money/exploitation is even harder to believe) the BCS system is more profitable than playoffs. End of story.
/Ducks
December 9th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
I hate to sound like an indie band groupie (or a baseball fan), but if you dont like it feel free to not watch.
I love CFB, not in spite of her flaws, but because of them. Its random, unscripted, and completely unpredictable. I love that one year a 2 loss team wins a title and another year an undefeated team finished 5th. I dont ask her to change, I accept what she is and just enjoy it.
If you want definition and order (boooring), there are many sports where it can be found. Lisk, still waiting on a response to my comment on your OOC post.
December 9th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
That sounds like a great idea. I’m not sure how I’d structure it though. 20 years ago there were a lot fewer “top teams” than there are today. Boise gets counted as a top game today, but as recently as five years ago, that game was lambs to the slaughter in Athens. I think that there are so many factors to take into account, that it would be a large pain in the ass, and once you’re done, there’s a good chance of ending up with a ton of data that says “you know, after adjusting for this, that, and the other thing, nothing has changed all that much”.
December 9th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I love college football despite her flaws too, but not as much as I liked Rocky Dennis.
December 9th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
I had it up in comment 32, but it was moderated.
December 9th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
Well, then I’m glad to finish the job you started, Miz
December 9th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
If you want definition and order (boooring), there are many sports where it can be found. Lisk, still waiting on a response to my comment on your OOC post.
I guess I need to go back and read that then. I was tied up last night and don’t always get to read the comments. You can email me jkl1974@live.com also
December 9th, 2010 at 2:20 PM
No one reads the comments.
December 9th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Wasn’t anything major Lisk, just questioning your methodology (assuming I read it correctly)