MLB Writer Fight: Murray Chass vs. Tom Verducci
Murray Chass, the ornery old bat who used to write for the NY Times – he hasn’t liked this site since we wrote about his departure – loves to attack people. Since starting his blog, Chass has gone after Mike Piazza‘s bacne, former colleague Selena Roberts, and ESPN’s Jayson Stark, to name a few. Chass, irate that his friend Marvin Miller wasn’t elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame this week (by one vote!), took a few shots at one of the voters he thought was responsible for Miller’s omission, SI’s Tom Verducci.
The Hall does not disclose individual votes so unless committee members say whom they voted for, their ballots remain secret. That practice, however, leaves room for speculation, and Miller said some people told him they heard or believed the other two no votes, besides the three owners, were Frank Robinson, the Hall of Fame player, and Tom Verducci, the sports writer …
I’m not sure what Verducci, the Sports Illustrated writer, thought of Miller, but I know he didn’t think much of the job Miller had. When Verducci covered baseball for Newsday, the Long Island daily, he hated covering baseball labor. And when he did cover it, he wasn’t very good at it.
During the 1990 lockout, there was a Saturday afternoon bargaining session, before which the retired Miller met with members of the union’s negotiating committee and, in effect, gave them a pep talk. The bargaining session turned out to be critical and led to the settlement of the dispute, but Verducci missed the development, writing instead that the situation was growing worse.
Could Verducci’s view of labor negotiations translate into a no vote 20 years later? Only he knows, but that’s what the belief is, and Miller missed by that margin of one vote.
Some fairly damning accusations, right? While Roberts and Stark and in the past never bothered to acknowledge Murray’s musings, Verducci response was swift and incisive.
Former players association executive director Marvin Miller issued an apology to me on Tuesday for telling a blogger that he “was told” that I was one of the five members of the Hall of Fame Expansion Era committee who did not vote for Miller in closed balloting on Monday. The published hearsay from Miller was wrong. I did vote for Miller.
erroneous hearsay to the bloggererroneous accusations to a bloggerThe blogger did not return phone and e-mail messages from SI.com.
Why not just call him Chass instead phrasing it so derisively, like he was a criminal or something?
[Murray Chass, SI]

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December 8th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
I greatly enjoy the photo, but would prefer some Hernia magic performed on its caption.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
I lol’ed at it.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:33 AM
Some fairly banal accusations, right?
He might have misreported something that happened over 20 years ago that in hindsight was less important than Chass is making it out to be? I don’t really call that damning.
But then I’m also not in journalism.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:33 AM
who are these guys?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Luke Scott, birther.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/luke-scott-obama_n_793657.html
December 8th, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Murray Hewitt > Murray Chass
December 8th, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Luke Scott, birther.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/luke-scott-obama_n_793657.html
“He was not born here. That’s my belief. I was born here,”
Luke Scott, proving once again that baseball players, and most athletes, need to shut the fuck up and realize we only care about their athletic abilities.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Because Chass insists he’s not one of those losery bloggers despite the fact that he’s been writing a blog for more than a year now?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:37 AM
Looks like the White Sox are trying to out-stupid the Cubs.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Does anyone know where I can find Nintendo DS games?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Most boring fight ever.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Charles Barkley has four penises. That’s my belief. Just as lucid.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Konerko and Dunn? That’s a bunch of Dingers!
December 8th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
I don’t think you know the proper definition of “damning.” It would be damning if Chass had a copy of Verducci’s ballot and was putting it on display. This is a (an?) hearsay accusation which isn’t in the least bit damning.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
What should he have gotten? I think it’s a great deal
And no one out-stupids the Cubs unless the Nationals end up giving Cliff Lee 7 years on top of Werth’s deal
December 8th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
The store? My 7 year old niece’s backpack? That help?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:40 AM
If two baseball nerds meet to shiv each other in a back alley, does Derek Jeter stop the model that’s blowing him so they can watch it together?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Why not just call him Chass instead phrasing it so derisively, like he was a criminal or something?
Because Chass insists he’s not one of those losery bloggers despite the fact that he’s been writing a blog for more than a year now?
Yep.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Not today. I could have hooked it up yesterday though.
This.
Let’s Make a Deal >>>> Konerko deal >>>>>>> Pena deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeter deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Werth deal
December 8th, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Why not just call him Chass instead phrasing it so derisively, like he was a criminal or something?
Because nothing rankles old media types like being lumped with all you mama’s-basement-living, no-training-having, snarky jerks?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Murray is old and crotchety. I’ll always take that guy. Verducci is only like 5’4″ anyways. He’s right in CJ’s wheelhouse.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Does anyone know where I can find Nintendo DS games?
yep they are starting again. it was fine this morning
December 8th, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Thanks, but I’m really looking for a site where I can find everything I need to know today. Preferably in an annoying pop-up format.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
I saw the Lead and was hoping that someone was bashing Heyman.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
TJ, but this is kinda cool.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/12/12/magazine/14actors.html?hp
My favorites are Bardem, Franco, Douglas, Mackie and Swinton
December 8th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
F. Murray Abraham > Murray Hewitt > Murray Chass
December 8th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
i’ve really loved his manic cliff lee coverage. “There’s a 7 year offer…no there isn’t, yes there is. it’s from the nationals, no it’s not, yes it is, and another team! maybe.”
December 8th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Is the consensus that the Jeter deal is not as bad as the Werth deal? Because I strongly disagree with that.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
Sox will score alot of runs, but will give up a crap load of runs with that pitching and defense.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
I think you had to pay him what you did. But I also think that last year’s numbers are not what you’re going to see over this course of this deal. The last year of that deal he’s definitely a candidate to be traded.
The Pena deal is awful, I fully admit. However, when (there is no if) the Cubs are out of it at the deadline, someone will be looking for a lefthanded power bat. They’ll end up only paying $5-6M of that deal.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:47 AM
The World could do without about half of those people.
/looking at you eisenberg
December 8th, 2010 at 11:47 AM
The Werth deal is so much worse.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
The rotation is still strong but the bullpen has the possibility of being one gas can after another unless they acquire someone through trade
December 8th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
as a baseball traditionalist, im going to have a burger for lunch today.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:49 AM
@spencer: wouldn’t a traditionalist be having peanuts and cracker jacks?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:49 AM
He fucking gave me a heart attack on my way back from New England on Sunday. Driving through NY and hearing Heyman is reporting the Gonzalez to Boston deal is OFF. Fuck that guy.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
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Is the consensus that the Jeter deal is not as bad as the Werth deal? Because I strongly disagree with that.
I thought the consensus was that both deals are bad, but that there were mitigating circumstances for the Jeter deal (lifetime Yankee, face of club) whereas there was no reason for the Nats to give Werth his deal besides the need to spend money.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
AH! Sorry ads are blocked thanks to the head techie here.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Well obviously but they don’t need to be now with Dunn in the fray
December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Fat bastard.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
what’s non-baseball traditional about having a burger with avocado, swiss, onion straws and chipotle ketchup from a cuban restaurant?
im pretty sure that’s in the song.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Bum fights >>> sportswriter feuds
December 8th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
fuck all of ‘em. twitter has it’s pros and cons…the cons are guys like heyman have no filter before they tweet the latest thing they hear, going back and forth.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
I didn’t think it was possible, but the autoplay ads have gotten worse.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Interesting. The money per year is about the same. Jeter is in decline and you’d have to assume that the next three years will be equal to or worse than 2010. Werth has had three solid seasons and should still have some very good seasons in front of him. While Werth is probably overpaid, the Jeter money just seems like money down the toilet to me.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
MEH.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:53 AM
I think the White Sox primary concern is what they’re going to get out of Peavy. Who knows what he’s going to display this season? Gave up a lot for him and paying him an awful lot over a long duration.
Butters is right about the pen, too. Surprised they haven’t shopped CQ a bit over the winter for a 5th starter and some bullpen help. Also curious what they’ll get out of Pierre this season.
They’re still light-years ahead of the Cubs right now.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
this is more pointless than a big east football game
December 8th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Here’s my thoughts on why the Werth deal sucks, Garland:
a.) duration
b.) he’s had one GREAT season and a couple of good ones
c.) the Nationals are far more affected by $18M a year than the Yankees are
d.) the Yankees supplemental parts create a far greater sum than the Nationals. Werth is “the guy” along with Zimmerman in WSH. Jeter is just the Yankee captain
December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
i’ve really loved his manic cliff lee coverage. “There’s a 7 year offer…no there isn’t, yes there is. it’s from the nationals, no it’s not, yes it is, and another team! maybe.”
I keep meaning to stop following him. There isn’t really anything this dude reports that 5 other writers haven’t already said. Plus, he seems to only follow the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
with a side of white wine so it won’t stain your pink jersey and hat if you spill?
December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
LOL
December 8th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Chris Sale will start the season in the bullpen it’s being reported so you have him, Thornton, Santos (a candidate to become the new closer if no Thornton) and Tony Pena as the guys who pitch in close games…no more Scott Linebrink to throw out there when the game is 10 runs either way
December 8th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
“WHOOOO!”
“The after.”
“Muscles pushed to the limit need protein.”
December 8th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
They’re still light-years ahead of the Cubs right now.
Most teams are.
Sox fans need to talk to Cub fans about Mark Prior if they think Peavey is coming and if he’s still the # 1 stuff pitcher he was.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:58 AM
as a baseball traditionalist, im going to have a burger for lunch today.
As a football traditionalist, I’m going have buffalo wings and beer for lunch today.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Fat slob.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:59 AM
I actually bought some Nintendo DS games last night. But not from these miserable ads.
December 8th, 2010 at 11:59 AM
Here’s why I think the Werth deal isn’t that bad:
1. SC thinks it’s awful.
fin
December 8th, 2010 at 12:00 PM
For lunch? Damn, homie.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
as a hair salon traditionalist, im going to have a salad with a low-fat raspberry vinagrette and a green tea.
/hernia’d
December 8th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
nice, where you gettin’ em and what you drinkin?
December 8th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Go eat your tofu Burger, TSH
December 8th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
For everyone bitching about their team’s horrible contracts, Travis Hafner’s $13 million salary currently comprises 38% of the Indians 2011 40 man payroll.
/fin
December 8th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
I already inhaled a chicken parm hero.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
As a cheese enthusiast, I’m having a grilled swiss and turkey sandwich on texas toast with a block of pepper jack cheese.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
You’re just paying $3.5 million for that to be the case.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
Working from home today and I live right behind a BWW.
-QED
December 8th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
I actually bought some Nintendo DS games last night. But not from these miserable ads.
But it got in your head.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
To your points….
A) Yes, I think the deal is probably a year or two longer than would be ideal
B) I’d say Werth has had four consecutive seasons where he was very good. Jeter has had two bad seasons in the last three.
C) I don’t know what the Nationals long-term plan is and what they can/can’t afford. For now, I’ll assume this is a contract they can live with since they offered it up.
D) I don’t get this part so I’m not going to comment
December 8th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
Gotta hit up the spin class at the Equinox around the corner first.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:06 PM
Actually, anyone ever have a hot dog from Five Guys? Ridiculous.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:06 PM
December 8th, 2010 at 12:06 PM
But it got in your head.
maybe. Or maybe I got a list of approved games from my two of my greedy nephews who think I’m a pushover for free shit.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
I think they offered it because he was drawing large interest and knew they’d have to overpay to get him in Washington. Kinda like what the Giants did with Zito.
The Nationals are going to be more competitive than they have been in years past this season. Still think they finish no better than 3rd in the NL East.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
nice, where you gettin’ em and what you drinkin?
BWW and Palm on tap.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
I put this on my wish list for Christmas yesterday not thinking that she would actually send it to the new in-laws.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
For everyone bitching about their team’s horrible contracts, Travis Hafner’s $13 million salary currently comprises 38% of the Indians 2011 40 man payroll.
/fin
As it stands right now, Carlos Lee makes up $19,000,000 of Houston’s current $47,986,000 payroll, or 39.5%.
And he’s 34.
/double fin.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
The Nationals need something to get the fans to the ballpark. They know they won’t be very good, so they have to offer a little more than what others would have to pay. Nationals fans just lost Dunn, so this is somewhat of a replacement. Overall it is an expensive way of getting the locals interested in a shitty team
December 8th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Still don’t get how the Jeter deal is ok, but the Werth deal is terrible. If the AAV is about the same, and you get more production from Werth, and he’s more valuable defensively, then what’s the issue, other than duration? And the supplemental parts argument is a bunch of nonsense. It’s pretty obvious that the Nationals are trying to compete with mostly young, cost controlled talent, with a few key veteran pieces here and there. Werth fits that latter category, and will do so for several years.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Still don’t get how the Jeter deal is ok, but the Werth deal is terrible. If the AAV is about the same, and you get more production from Werth, and he’s more valuable defensively, then what’s the issue, other than duration? And the supplemental parts argument is a bunch of nonsense. It’s pretty obvious that the Nationals are trying to compete with mostly young, cost controlled talent, with a few key veteran pieces here and there. Werth fits that latter category, and will do so for several years.
All of this. The Werth deal would still be better though if he wasn’t 31.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Lefty: The defense for the Jeter deal IS because of the transitive effects of Jeter on the Yankees bottom line and pr. Not just on field production. I’m personally not a fan of this explanation, but, hey, what do I know?
December 8th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
It’s perfectly fine for you to be ok with the Jeter deal. But if you’re going to be in that camp, slamming the Werth deal makes absolutely no sense, and tends to make you look like a dummy.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Lefty: Just to confirm. I’m not a fan of the Jeter deal. But I also value my life. So I’m not going to say how I feel out loud.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
nice call on the Palm. Beers like that are perfect for wings.
December 8th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Jayson Werth is the face of Major League Baseball.
December 8th, 2010 at 1:41 PM
Not understanding the hate for the Pena deal.
Not a lot of options. He goes from the AL East to the worst division in baseball. Even if his AVG only goes back to just north of .200 he should still put up an OPS+ over 100. Combine that with defense that is on par with D. Lee, and I would say it is a wash. Oh, and they only have to pay him for 1 year.
December 8th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
yea 10 mill