A Sensible College Football Playoff Plan
I believe Dan Wetzel’s 16-team playoff format is the most fair. To be a truly “National Champion” every FBS team should begin the season with a legitimate chance to win. It’s noble, but I don’t see it happening. Any potential system must arise organically from what came before. It has to compel fans and advertisers. Those involved need to benefit from it and profit. I think the conferences will proceed cautiously. They will dip their toes in with a plus one in the next few years and, within a decade, expand to an eight-team playoff.
BCS conferences won’t cede their place at the gravy table. For them to agree the playoff would have to maintain the automatic bids for their champions. You could include a mechanism to reevaluate which conferences should have an automatic bid based on multiple years worth of data, but with the BCS conferences absorbing challengers such as TCU and Utah, that shouldn’t be an issue.
The playoff format would be the six conference champions with two at large bids based on a ranking system. I’m no statistician. I don’t know what the best formula would be. So, I will use an old Model United Nations cop out and propose an ad hoc committee of statistics experts to (a) decide which polls and parameters to use and (b) monitor and make changes accordingly. I would prefer a system that combined the human element (AP and Coaches) with results-based polling accounting for victory margins and performance based polling (FEI etc.). Everything would be open and transparent.
First Round: The rankings system would determine the two at large bids, as well as the seeding 1-8. The teams would play the first round at the higher ranked team’s stadium immediately following the end of the season. This home-away leg ensures there is a significant benefit to finishing higher than another team. The bracket, using the BCS rankings for argument’s sake for this season, would look like this.
(8) Connecticut at (1) Auburn
(7) Virginia Tech at (2) Oregon
(6) Oklahoma at (3) TCU
(5) Wisconsin at (4) Stanford
Yes, that Auburn vs. Connecticut matchup is a dud, but pretend West Virginia wins in overtime instead of the Huskies as would happen most years. A 10-2 West Virginia vs. Auburn as a 1 vs. 8 matchup is not terrible. If TCU was already in the Big East, Va Tech would be travelling to Auburn in the first round. Ohio State would be playing Oregon in Autzen. Compelling enough for you?
Second Round: Keep the bowl games. Eliminated playoff teams still get invited. It would essentially function as a +1 from here forward. Add another bowl game (for argument’s sake the Cotton) to keep the same number of BCS teams. Rotate which bowls are the playoff bowls. I’ll use the Rose and Sugar. The winners of the Rose and Sugar would meet in the National Title Game. The bowls could look like this.
Rose: (1) Auburn vs. (4) Stanford
Sugar: (2) Oregon vs. (3) TCU
Orange: Virginia Tech vs. Ohio State
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. Connecticut
Cotton: Arkansas vs. Wisconsin*
You could argue this would make the Orange, Fiesta and Cotton bowls feel like lame consolation prizes for nationally irrelevant teams. I would ask you how that changes what they are now?
A Boise State-type team would still need to earn an at large bid to make a playoff, but the chances of them being one of the top two non-AQ conference winners are better than the chances of them finishing the season in the Top two overall under the current BCS.
It’s All About the Benjamins: Why would the conferences agree to this? It would make them an extraordinary amount of money, while preserving the traditional bowl experience and enhancing, rather than detracting from, the regular season.
Conferences would still have access to the title game money and the bowl money. They would also be able to sell television rights to the first round of the playoffs, which would be the greatest spectacle of the season. It would be like March Madness, but even more intense, because large numbers of fans are emotionally invested in college football. It’s more than Gus Johnson and gambling.
Teams that you never see face each other in a biased environment would do so. You could have SEC teams coming up to Columbus or Madison in December to play in the snow. It would be fantastic.
This would also enhance interest in the conference regular seasons. This year, Miami, Virginia Tech and Florida State were eliminated from the National Title discussion early. The ACC’s regular season was nationally irrelevant before it even started. The conference games were of little interest to anyone beyond the fans involved. The conference title game, with a dead rubber Orange Bowl bid as the carrot, wasn’t exactly scintillating.
If the carrot is instead a chance to play for the national title, the regular season games are still nationally relevant. The title game gets a jolt, enhancing the TV ratings and lagging attendance figures. Rather than being an afterthought, Virginia Tech’s turnaround is one of the biggest stories in college football.
The Big Ten and Pac 12’s new title games and the games leading up to them will be nationally relevant every season, rather than relying on one of their teams having a chance to finish in the top two in certain seasons. The Pac 12 might feel safe enough to schedule the game at a neutral site venue.
The Non-Conference Games: This would reduce the importance of the non-conference season, but most of the non-conference season sucks. Some Labor Day games are exciting as title-elimination games, but that excitement is debatably not worth the deflation of the loser’s subsequent 11 games and certainly is not worth the climate of paranoia and risk aversion it creates.
Most of these games are awful. Auburn schedules Arkansas State, Louisiana-Monroe and Chattanooga. Oregon schedules New Mexico and Portland State. Alabama schedules San Jose St., Duke and Georgia State. Ohio State schedules Marshall, Ohio U and Eastern Michigan. Wisconsin schedules UNLV, San Jose State and Austin effing Peay. Need I continue?
Under this playoff, elite teams would become less concerned with maintaining a spotless win-loss record. They would be more concerned with (a) providing an entertaining product they could profit the most from and (b) ensuring their strength of schedule can distinguish them if they need the at large rankings to enter the playoff. Even if it only encourages Alabama or Ohio State level teams to schedule two teams that could plausibly beat them instead of one, that’s twice as many good games as we’re getting now.
The Ultimate Benefit: We would still be discussing college football, but it would be the awesome games coming up this weekend, rather than the same asinine, circular arguments about how f—ked up the current BCS system is.

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December 7th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Me and Duffy on the same page as far as the most reasonable playoff pictures should look like. Not shocked, but very frightened.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Oh Christ….
December 7th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
I think Sparty just got Hakeen’d again.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Oh fuck. I guess that’s later Sparty.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
I’ll start here – We were discussing the awesome college football coming up in November. Auburn @ Bama. Boise @ Nevada. Oregon @ Oregon State…what’s the difference?
Well, one difference is that in your system Va. Tech’s loss to James Madison meant nothing.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
We would get better non-conference matchups? No freaking way. In fact they would get worse.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
logistics!
December 7th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
I think you’re right about the impact on the regular season and it actually shifts the importance or impact of the regular season from the beginning to the end which is where it should be. And per your ACC reference, it would probably make some games less important while having a greater number of important games if that makes sense.
I still like a 12-team playoff. Gotta have a few more at-large teams.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Teams still left out, underserving teams let in.
A solution to nothing.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
nah lets just keep it how it is
December 7th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
What should it mean? Everything?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
I think the net effect would be zero. Some teams would be willing to possibly lose an early game if they knew it didn’t eliminate them from playoff contention.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
I’m in favor for a plus 1 for simplicity sake. I think a 6 team format as explained here is another valid possibility.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
I see sparty’s comment was removed. I’ll anticipate team Victory Formation all sharing the same brain in this thread, though.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
it should mean that there should be certain strikes against a team that cannot be overriden no matter how impressive the rest of the resume.
no team that gets beat by a FBS team is eligible. no team that allows 50+ points in a regulation game is eligible.
fuck the pac-10.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
With two at large spots probably not. Two losses is fatal…
December 7th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Yes. Virginia Tech lost to James Madison and therefore does not get a chance to play for the National Title.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Damn it. I have to take Duffy’s side on this. I like this. My only issue is that it looks bad this year because the Big East blows balls.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
this post has all the promise of the 2008 democratic presidential ticket. unfortunately, we all know how that turned out.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
na, im just gonna stick around and make snarky comments. after this morning, my brain feels like a used tampon.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
I think Duffy just called TBL’s arguments asinine.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
As it is now. Nothing changes.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
This is how you take a thread from conventional weapons to nuclear.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Any team that loses to a 1AA team should automatically be eliminated from playoff consideration. This would dissuade teams from scheduling said cupcakes in the first place.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Well, one difference is that in your system Va. Tech’s loss to James Madison meant nothing.
What should it mean? Everything?
That is what a significant amount of college football fans believe, yes. What did Sparty say?
/cmon, TBL won’t mind if you tell me.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
Sparty is the first thrown over the top ropes in this Royal Rumble?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I take issue with the first sentence. Wetzel’s plan not only isn’t fair, it contradicts itself, and relies upon faulty assumptions to give the illusion of fairness.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
What do you want to do, remove the Big East from AQ status? That’s not happening.
For now, the Big East will play the part of the NFC West. It’s cyclical. They’ll rebound soon enough. Last year, Cincy was unbeaten (got whipped in the bowl game, but still)
December 7th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
damnit…now what am i going to do with all these biological weapons?
/looks at denmark
//don’t cry for denmark
///fucking smarmy ass danes
December 7th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
I don’t think its fair if a team that loses to a Div II school has a better opportunity to play for a championship over a school who plays in a tougher conference. Schools like tOSU/MSU/LSU are more deserving, but play in a tougher conference.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
By the way Duffy, it is my opinion that your plan blows Wetzel’s out of the water.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Such an arbitrary #. What if a team loses a couple studs on defense for the game, and also gives up a special teams and a defensive TD?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
2007 champs would like a word.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Listen, I’m all for a playoff…but there needs to be some rules.
Like a requirement of 9 wins…
December 7th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
They would if they won all of their games. If a team from the Sun Belt or MAC actually finished the entire regular season undefeated and one of those wins was over a decent “big” school, I would think they’d probably be in the discussion for a playoff berth. But simply going 6-6 and winning the Sun Belt shouldn’t give you and AQ.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I’ll anticipate team Victory Formation all sharing the same brain in this thread
all blogs often ride comfortably in the same boat, except tunagolf, those guys never agreed on anything.
/tiger > jack
//eat poo, jpq
December 7th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
i believe the word asshat was in there
December 7th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I can’t get down with this.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Fluke year…and you can’t predict that in advance. Most schools won’t be willing to take teh chance of getting two losses
December 7th, 2010 at 3:14 PM
You have to have some measure of realism. Highly doubt the other five conferences are going to band together and kick the Big East out. The Big East shouldn’t be THIS bad moving forward. Adding TCU and possibly Central Florida. Pitt should be better. West Virginia should be better. Syracuse is improving.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:14 PM
seriously…
/fuck you, i love my hybrid
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Yep. Even though they ended up playing one of the more ridiculous schedules you’ll ever see.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
don’t have to remove them, but you could easily make a stipulation that says if your conference winner isn’t in the BCS Top 25 you’re out.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Yeah, that Mich St. schedule. Quite the killer.
This I like. Or finishing in the top 20 of the BCS standings.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
What, specifically, don’t people like about Duffy’s proposal?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
I can get behind this line of thinking. If only Bill Martin got the memo in 2007.
/Insert Michigan Sucks joke here.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
when you come in hot with curse words at someone for no reason, yeah, you’ll be ushered out.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
do you have any idea how hard it is to score 50 points against a blue-chip program not named michigan? this shit doesn’t happen.
and if it does, you don’t belong in the NC picture. sorry.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
16 Fucking Teams? Christ the NFL isn’t even this greedy.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
First… I’m glad the effort was put into this. Good job, Duffy. At least we have a starting point now.
This is still very reminiscent of the current system in place for at-large teams. But, I see no way around it which is what has been hammered home here time and again with this discussion. At least we’re admitting to it now. Couple things:
a.) when does the first round take place? It says at the bottom, this weekend, so I’m assuming the weekend immediately after the conference title games? I see no problem with this, but you may get an argument from the teams that have to play a championship game as opposed to those who do not since those that don’t essentially are receiving a bye.
b.) I agree with Trey on non-conference matchups. You’re going to get more walkover games.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
people fear change. Even when it makes sense.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
this seems far fetched but a playoff seems realistic?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
16 Fucking Teams? Christ the NFL isn’t even this greedy.
Curse words not directed AT anyone
December 7th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
why are we getting rid of the big east but not the pac-10?
I DEMAND JUSTICE!!!
December 7th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
don’t have to remove them, but you could easily make a stipulation that says if your conference winner isn’t in the BCS Top 25 you’re out.
You could if creating a totally fair system trumped the Big East’s preference to be gauranteed a lot of money.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Woooo Pig.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
They did that as a favor to former head coach Bill Curry, and his first year football program. Magnanimous is a better adjective for the scheduling of that game than ridiculous.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Again, they don’t take that risk now but a playoff protects this by way of an auto-bid more than the current system does. I don’t see any change.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Does saying someone has been Hakeem Nicks’d mean he got banned? What did Sparty do now?
Also, I’m sad Spencer took my logistics joke.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Not a fan of eliminated playoff teams shacking up in the BCS bowls. The bowls should be the sites for the playoff games with the top teams getting homefield.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
We have humans and computers ranks individual teams. We rely on this for the BCS and we would rely on this for Duffy’s system as well. Why not use the same methods to rank the conferences every year.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
people fear change. Even when it makes sense.
How about not ranking teams until after the 4th week. This forces bigger schools to schedule tougher non-conference games. This is a change that people have been asking for.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
im in favor of a playoff. only ncaa sport that doesnt have one. read Pretzels book, good read about the cartel. NCAA football is very corrupt
December 7th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Someone needs to explain this to me. Why would it be any different with a playoff when 2 losses eliminates you from the title in the current system? Doesn’t make any sense.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Oregon’s entire season disproves this.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
NCAA Football Playoffs: HOPE
December 7th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
So Duffy is Obama and TBL is Biden?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
like sabermetrics
December 7th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Not a fan of eliminated playoff teams shacking up in the BCS bowls. The bowls should be the sites for the playoff games with the top teams getting homefield.
I like it, but I don’t necessarily like the idea of all these teams playing this many more games. Seems like an extra game and a loss should be enough.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Yes, when they add Villanova…that will get them there.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Depends how the scheduling works out. The Big East scheduled to have their teams playing on Championship Saturday. Guessing Big 12 might do the same without title game. Other four conferences will have title games next year.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
people fear change. Even when it makes sense.
it makes sense to use lowfat butter when cooking, but that doesn’t mean it’s a better tasting product.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
A monkey with a box of Crayolas has a better plan than Wetzel. Let’s just disregard 90% of what that guy cries about.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
So in seventy comments the only objections I’m seeing are “it would make the regular season mean less” (seemingly valid) and it would negatively effect scheduling/not improve it (in dispute).
December 7th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
wetzel rhymes with pretzel.
/my contribution
December 7th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
surely you cant be serious
/rip leslie
December 7th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
But it does mean you will be around to cook a little longer.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
these wetzels are making me thirsty.
/hef
//via hernia
December 7th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
I agree with PKI – official rankings shouldn’t come out until conference play starts. That will keep the regular season relevant and should encourage teams to schedule at least one strong non-conference game.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Because under the current system your quality of opponents matters. 4-5 teams from BCS conferences go 11-1 and you’re looking at a situation where it does come down to who you played.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
No, it doesn’t. Pac 10 schools play nine conference games, which is an underrated factor. Every school in the Pac 10 besides WSU was at least mediocre this year. So, for every Pac 10 team it was as though they played a solid BCS conference team non-conference. That’s why their schedule strengths were all really high.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
My biggest issue is that all of the playoff scenarios do nothing to address the method of selection, and the “ad hoc committee” proposed is no better than the current system. What the playoff proponents have done is complained about the method of selection, then endorsed essentially the same method, but expanding the number selected to marginally decrease the number of teams slighted by the process.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
unless you get cancer from artificial fats.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Just because people keep saying this, doesn’t mean its true. I don’t see how a playoff changes anything nonconference.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:24 PM
YES
December 7th, 2010 at 3:24 PM
it’s artificially inflated though, and you know it.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
i don’t remember the exact words, but it was along the lines of, “Get F’ing bent …”
I wonder if he’ll attempt to do the same when Lisk posts his playoff scenario (whenever that is).
What he doesn’t realize is that sensible college football fans know a playoff is the right way to conclude the postseason, and it’s coming. (i dont know when, but it’s coming)
December 7th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Excepting that Duffy started out by giving the company line. It’s a good plan, but that first line is just….yeah
December 7th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
I haven’t read ALL the comments yet, but what about injuries? All these extra games are going to take a serious toll on some teams. None of the NFL players are loving the proposed extra 2 games, due to the fact that it is going to increase the chances of them injuring themselves. College players, while younger are still susceptible to injuries
December 7th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
wetzel rhymes with pretzel.
/my contribution
beat you to it stoner, so slow to refresh
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
He can be a smarmy prick sometimes, but he’s dead on right here.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
the regular season “means less” is a laughable myth. a falsehood.
I’d like for anyone who thinks that to elaborate on that.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
he knows it’s a sensible idea in theory. he just doesn’t like the repeated bashing over the head with the topic.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
How is it essentially the same system? The math would be (a) statistically valid (b) verified and (c) transparent. That’s a huge step up.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
And wouldn’t that matter the same for an at-large playoff berth?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
And the argument has shifted from the fairness of the top-2 teams based on 12 game resumes to the top-2 at large teams based on 12 game resume.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
The method of selection is something there is no perfect answer for. What playoff proponents see as first priority is more inclusion. 8 instead of 2.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
There’s also no limits on roster sizes, pki
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
Dude, no one is against a playoff. We’re all just realistic.
It’s not happening soon. A plus one is the best shot…
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
What, specifically, don’t people like about Duffy’s proposal?
I dont’ like the first sentence, but that’s got nothing to do with the proposal. I don’t like the automatic qualifers at all, but my idea on that isn’t sensible. I don’t like these playoff games not replacing shitty bowl games, but that’s Duffy’s idea.
I really don’t like the fact that the 6th ranked team in the country can still be left out of an 8 team playoff and a team as potentially shitty as the 50th can get in. But that’s automatic qualifier again.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
I was all hot and bothered that Wisconsin would have to travel to Stanford for reasons decided on by the very BCS system that gets blasted here every day but then remembered that the stadium would be half-filled…go Badgers!
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
so is an eventual alien takeover but im not worried about it. maybe a little
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
the SEC usually has a conference game week 2. probably be easier to just go with the 4th or 5th week.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
i’ll give you a personal example from this year…
ohio state lost to wisky and i’m still beat up over it even tho my bucks got a BCS invite. if there’s a playoff, chances are good OSU goes (instead of stanford because this is my hypothetical and i’m sticking with my pac-10 hate) and gets a second chance, making that loss sting a whole lot less.
there are greater stakes without second chances. this is fact.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
I object to the idea that Duffy’s and/or Wetzel’s plans are more fair than the current one. The idea is to get the two best/most deserving teams into the championship game and is there any doubt that is the case this year? TCU knows the conference schedule is lacking and are moving to the Big East. Why is the system “broke” again?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Any system with at-large teams being ‘selected’ by some combo of computers and humans is garbage. Not saying this as a shot at Duffy but merely pointing out that the current structure of the FBS does not support a true playoff. If you want that, boot 20% (120-24=96) of the teams from the FBS, create eight, 12 team conferences where every team in the conference plays each other and have the eight conference winners go to the eight team playoff. Nobody can every bitch about fairness in that system.
That said, it’s never happening so we’ll just continue to try create the impossible (fair playoff system) within the current structure.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Just because people keep saying this, doesn’t mean its true. I don’t see how a playoff changes anything nonconference.
the regular season “means less” is a laughable myth. a falsehood.
I’d like for anyone who thinks that to elaborate on that.
I don’t see how its disuputable that losses would mean less with a playoff system. I really don’t understand that point view.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
This would add one extra game for six teams. Two extra games for two teams.
This wasn’t an issue when the season expanded from 10 to 11 to 12 games and to 13 with conference championship games. Money always wins.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
(Looks at Stanford’s schedule)
No.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT.
dwight howard is softer than a down comforter.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
I’d argue that the “need” to crown a national champion in D-1 college football is a falsehood but we’ve been through this before
December 7th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
Their SOS was high according to Sagarin. Their SOS was horrible according to the NCAA. Plus you are assuming people value going undefeated or having an excellent record against mediocrity as being better than going 6-0 against top-15 caliber teams and 6-0 against bottom caliber teams.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Duffy can tackle this, but the current system has been exposed. i forgot the article, but the “math” guys the BCS uses aren’t even “math guys”
/remember that article? I’ll find it …
December 7th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Because it has essentially the same flaws. Human opinion, emotion, name brand all continue to play a part. It eliminates no bias. You can lay bare your formulas and polls as much as you want, but that doesn’t mean their free of bias.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
I dont’ like the first sentence, but that’s got nothing to do with the proposal. I don’t like the automatic qualifers at all, but my idea on that isn’t sensible. I don’t like these playoff games not replacing shitty bowl games, but that’s Duffy’s idea.
I really don’t like the fact that the 6th ranked team in the country can still be left out of an 8 team playoff and a team as potentially shitty as the 50th can get in. But that’s automatic qualifier again
I think Duffy was trying to be realistic.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
This is point blank number 1 with a bullet.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
I’ll put it black and white for you. Take a title contender like Wisconsin this season. Their most difficult game in the non-conference was Arizona State. As it stands, they currently make Duffy’s tournament. What incentive does that team have to schedule a more difficult non-conference opponent in any of those four games when 11-1 and a split conference title gets you in?
Advance it to next year and throw in the conference title game. Wisconsin would have played MSU in the B10 title game next season. At 11-2 should they lose to MSU, they still warrant consideration in the tournament. Same can be said for MSU when their most difficult NCF game was Notre Dame. Both teams at 11-2 still have excellent chances at getting into this tournament.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
That is all well and good, but you keep touting the single worst playoff plan in existence. Of course, since most of us realize that you can’t possibly be a college football fan, I guess it isn’t that big of a deal. Anyone who claims that the bowl games are irrelevant outside of the Championship Game can’t possibly be a fan of college football.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:31 PM
How is it essentially the same system? The math would be (a) statistically valid (b) verified and (c) transparent. That’s a huge step up.
John McCain’s solution (in the late part of his presidential run) to the financial crisis was to get all the smartest people into one room and fix it.
Your ad hoc committee to come up with a fair transparent solution is roughly similar to that idea. But you haven’t fixed it, so you can’t say it’s transparent and fair.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:31 PM
im more in favor of a dictatorship. i say there should be a CFB playoff czar.
and i nominate myself for czardom.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Ha, but that won’t matter next year. What would help is if the 6 BCS conferences all had championship games. The biggest issue as far as Duffy’s plan goes, is how to figure out the other 2 teams.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
This is a side issue. There is no perfect answer. This is about including more than two teams based on the notion that if you desire a legitimate national champion you should include as many deserving participants as you reasonably can. 2 is not reasonable almost every year, including this one.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Seconded.
/I also hate Michigan, Notre Dame and the PAC-10
December 7th, 2010 at 3:33 PM
Losses would certainly mean less but its not going to stop any of the above commentariat from watching games.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:33 PM
I object to the idea that Duffy’s and/or Wetzel’s plans are more fair than the current one. The idea is to get the two best/most deserving teams into the championship game and is there any doubt that is the case this year? TCU knows the conference schedule is lacking and are moving to the Big East. Why is the system “broke” again?
because of Boise State, Brawny Tom. Haven’t you been paying attention? Boise State is getting jobbed in the polls. Who gives a fuck about TCU?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:34 PM
there are greater stakes without second chances. this is fact.
ok, give me the damn thing.
/takes hybrid
//addresses ball
///nuts one down the middle
December 7th, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Duffy’s plan seems similar to the way the committee for the NCAA basketball tournament selects the teams and seeding. I’m all for that especially if the selection committee puts an emphasis on strength of schedule.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:34 PM
I don’t get it. So you’re saying that in a playoff more teams would use the tactic that a team is using right now to get in? This again goes to my point that essentially nothing would change. OSU would still play it’s one big non-conference game a year, the SEC won’t leave the South, and the Pac-10 will fill their schedule with WAC and MWC teams.
And people need to stop pretending that we have all these awesome non-conference matchups year in and year out. They are few and far between.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:34 PM
The biggest issue as far as Duffy’s plan goes, is how to figure out the other 2 teams
Just trying to pick them this year means you screw at least one 1 loss big 10 team for no justifiable reason other than that they almost lost to Purdue.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:35 PM
SEE!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
December 7th, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Wait, who is anti-hybrid?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Losses would certainly mean less but its not going to stop any of the above commentariat from watching games.
Sure. Adding a wild card won’t change the 500 baseball games I watch next year because I love baseball… I’ve lost my original point, but my new point is you should always be screwing over fans like me because I’ll take it. Playoffs for everybody.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Maybe the system is fine the way it is. For the second year in a row, it gets the NC game right, that’s what all that really matters anyway – winning it all. I think #4 in the BCS would rather finish with a win in the rose bowl than a loss in the semifinals, and if they’d won all season they might have earned a spot in the championship. the auburn comeback over alabama really means nothing in a playoff system – why take that excitement out of the game? college football season is so great because every week there is at least one game that REALLY has national championship implications – no reason to take that out of the game.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
true
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
I forgot we have to add special rules for the second* best team in the WAC
/ * May apply to Hawaii
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
bama fan ill.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Love my hybrid 3…who’s hating here?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
Wait, who is anti-hybrid?
is that the same as mulatto?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
By the way Duffy, nice job. Reasonable. I think many people are starting to recognize the inevitability of a system like this, starting with a plus one in the near future.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:37 PM
So’s your ass.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Figures. I hope he shanks the next 3-iron he hits and knocks one of his bammer friends unconscious.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
dude, you know im sensitive about my ass implants. way to be a dick.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
The Duke game also had some major history behind the meeting- Wallace Wade.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Not when they’re up against all the BCS non championship teams for the 2 automatic bids. They’re going to have to schedule a decent non-conference opponent if they expect to get an at large bid should they lose the conference championship.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Read the next paragraph of the same comment. It addresses the title game loser at 11-2 and still being a contender for an at-large. It would be between them and the loser of the Pac-12 and SEC title games.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
ok, give me the damn thing.
/takes hybrid
//addresses ball
///Shanks one right
////Shotguns beer
/////Breaks fucking hybrid over knee
/////Pees on fringe
My golf game.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
I think many people are starting to recognize the inevitability of a system like this, starting with a plus one in the near future.
I don’t like how “inevitability of a playoff” seems akin to “inevitability of civil rights for gays” or something to some people. I don’t think how college football crowns its national champion is a moral issue.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:38 PM
im gonna start calling my 18* hybrid my “quadroon.”
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
I know Penn State sure as hell didn’t travel to Alabama this year, getting a return date next year. I’m pretty sure I didn’t go watch Boise and Virginia Tech at FedEx Field. LSU certainly didn’t play UNC in the Georgia Dome. No way did FSU square off against Oklahoma. I had a dream that Miami (FL) went to Ohio State and played in the Shoe, but then I woke up and realized that it was, in fact, just a dream.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Look at Stanford, LSU, MSU and Wisconsin’s non-conference schedules this year. They are essentially the “losers” in your scenario.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
So what happens when Alabama is the number whatever seed and Auburn is the No. 1 seed. An Auburn team that went undefeated and obviously beat Alabama in the regular season to go on and beat then top-5 whatever Florida in the SEC title game but then loses to Alabama in the National title game. How is that fair?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Where’s Wisconsin in the second round of your tournament Duffy? VT and OU get BCS games, Badgers go to the Capital One?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
To clear up Sparty’s comment …
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spartyandfriends@gmail.com
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Submitted on 2010/12/07 at 3:02pm
I believe Dan Wetzel’s 16-team playoff format is the most fair.
Get fucking bent you company line toting asshat.
/i’m leaving
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Should really capitalize “national champion.”
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
Why not just have the conference champs play? Like the NFL has division champs and wild cards. Too simplistic? Or did someone already say this?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:40 PM
A monkey with a box of Crayolas has a better plan than Wetzel. Let’s just disregard 90% of what that guy cries about.
uh oh.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Dude…we had some pretty awesome out of conference matchups this year.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
i effin’ hate hybrids!!! unless we’re talking about women – i enjoy them with as many ingredients as a long island ice tea.
/just to clear things up
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Well I agree… but this is TheBigLead, not Talking Points Memo.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Chinese lateral shot, no s words
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
What I don’t understand is why so many people are against it. 34 exhibition games. Come on.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
I’ve been told this is ok, though, because the system includes more teams. That’s the main thing. More. Don’t get ‘em right, just get me more. More more more.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
I don’t like how “inevitability of a playoff” seems akin to “inevitability of civil rights for gays” or something to some people. I don’t think how college football crowns its national champion is a moral issue.
you fucking liberal pansy. God doesn’t want TCU in a title game, because if he did, he’d fix the BCS formula. God ordained from on high that an Auburn booster would pay 200 thousand for Cammy Cam and they’d destroy the devil’s hully gully football team.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
elaboration: College Basketball, NFL, NBA, MLB
when you’re automatically given an out for losing, then it’s not as big of a deal not lose. it’s simple really. perfection in a regular season isn’t even assumed to be required anymore. right now, if a team loses a game, it’s out of their hands until everyone has lost a game.
duffy – thank you for actually coming up with an actual, well-thought-out proposal instead of some mindless bullshit ranting about the meaninglessness of the BCS or riding the coattails of someone elses bad idea. there are many merits to your proposal, but I also find several faults.
my ways to fix the “unfairness” of the current system:
1) delay the polls until mid-October
2) add a plus-1
3) “problem solved”
4) profit
/goes home before head explodes
//seriously, thanks for the actual attempt at a system, duffy. it’s a start, but I don’t think it fixes the perceived problem of unfairness.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
DEY TUK URR JERBS!!!
December 7th, 2010 at 3:43 PM
I feel like this is where we are picking nits. Someone is going to get screwed. It happens. That is the collateral damage of a playoff.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:43 PM
I’m trying not to Sparty myself here but you really need to stop with this…can’t be calling other people clueless when it’s obvious you just don’t understand how fucking awesome a Rose Bowl trip is in these parts
It’s fine that you don’t care, but why shit on what other people like just because you want it changed for your own amusement?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:44 PM
And every single year, someone gets left out. Teams 66-74 all think they should have gotten in. The vital difference between the hoops season and the football season is that at the end of the year a team could have an awful season then run roughshod through their conference tournament and receive an automatic bid.
In football, you have to win your conference regular season.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:44 PM
So? Either win your conference or schedule a strong enough non-conference opponents to get yourself an at large bid. I don’t understand why that would bother you? There’s a chance your team that went 11-2 and didn’t win their conference could still go on and be the national champion. Wouldn’t that make you happy?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:44 PM
you fucking liberal pansy. God doesn’t want TCU in a title game, because if he did, he’d fix the BCS formula. God ordained from on high that an Auburn booster would pay 200 thousand for Cammy Cam and they’d destroy the devil’s hully gully football team.
So don’t flip over the tables for the money changers at the entrance to The Shoe?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Sorry, fixed that. No, they should be in BCS just missed them when I was filling out the other bowls.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Figures. I hope he shanks the next 3-iron he hits and knocks one of his bammer friends unconscious.
i was almost starting to convince myself to root for Auburn in the NC game. thanks for reminding me what hybrid hitting inbred homos you war iggle fans are.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
I hope your all being nice to each other.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
How many of those were actually good games?
And out of all of the non-conference games played this year, these are the best? A big “meh”.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
GG – Fair question, but some conferences are better than others, hence at-large teams (like “wild card” teams).
as baseball grew into big business, it expanded to the wild card. it keeps getting bigger … now it may add more playoff teams.
Same with NFL.
college football’s just lagging
December 7th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
ive long said i want a playoff and would welcome it. that said, i like my teams’ easy access. why would i want a relationship if i can just pop in and out for a quick bang, ya hurd?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
What I don’t understand is why so many people are against it. 34 exhibition games. Come on.
what I don’t understand is why you assume that people disagreeing with you on the Wetzel plan (which if flat fucking retarded) makes you think they are anti-playoff. Or that people who tell you the BCS “as is” is locked that way until 2014 are anti-playoff.
Most people are for a playoff. Most people disagree with including puny conference champs. And, a Plus one game makes a 4 team playoff. Prior to the BCS, they just named a champion. At least the BCS is a 2 team playoff.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Poor Arkbadger…two bowl losses to Bret Bielema in this scenario
December 7th, 2010 at 3:46 PM
I am more pissed how some games turned out this year. Specifically the Fiesta Bowl.
/Puts Fiesta Bowl tickets on sale
/buys Insight bowl tickets
December 7th, 2010 at 3:46 PM
please…OSU is god’s team. it’s why he gave us brutus.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
I don’t really think this matters anymore. Auburn started this season ranked well-below TCU. Stanford started below Ohio St.
I don’t think its as big a problem as we think.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
Not to mention most of the time the players are pretty pumped about it. And most of the time the fan bases support it. Speaking of exhibitions, what happens when you clench a conference championship berth or a berth to play in your conference championship under duffy’s system? Exhibitions.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
#164 and #167. I’m good with all of that.
Again, thank you Duffy for bringing the meat to the pot luck. This was a good starting point.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
Cuz she can cook. And she’s not crazy.
/What were talking about again?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
I don’t think the number or quality of the bowl games is the issue here. even if a playoff comes about, there will more than likely still be an absurd amount of lower tier bowl games. not sure what the arguement was here.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
GG – Fair question, but some conferences are better than others, hence at-large teams (like “wild card” teams).
as baseball grew into big business, it expanded to the wild card. it keeps getting bigger … now it may add more playoff teams.
Same with NFL.
college football’s just lagging
See, now the thought process behind this is terrifying.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Spencer drives a Prius?
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
I nominate you for CFB Rasputin.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
please…OSU is god’s team. it’s why he gave us brutus.
god would never put his team in the shithole known as the midwest. he’d put it in god’s country, the south.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 PM
all this but especially that.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:49 PM
The method of selection is something there is no perfect answer for.
Nope, but I like the idea of not releasing the rankings. I’d push it off until a couple conference games are under way.
Nice plan, Duffy. 16 teams is too many. However, I don’t see this happening. The BCS school presidents have their hands over their shouting, “I can’t hear you.”
December 7th, 2010 at 3:49 PM
Ditto.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:49 PM
SC I honestly don’t understand your argument. Doesn’t the same thing happen in football for the BCS? We were lucky enough to have two teams go undefeated this year but that isn’t always the case. What happens when you have one loss teams all vying for the championship bowl bid? Someone will be left out and there will be complaining.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:49 PM
See, now the thought process behind this is terrifying.
it’s definitely shake your head and walk away time. Your only other choice is to pat the poor kid on the head and tell him he’s doing fine for a retard.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:50 PM
Why do you care how much money is being made? Shouldn’t your only concerns be 1. naming a National Champion (capitalized) in a fair way and 2. your entertainment, in some order. Baseball will not be improved in either 1. or 2. by adding another wild card.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:50 PM
i assume you mean alabama.
now why the fuck would god put his team in fucking alabama? is it the 35% obesity rate or the rampant illiteracy? or howabout the utter lack of culture? that’s probably what did it.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:50 PM
No one is against a playoff. We’re against the fact that some people can’t accept the current system in a sport that 20 years ago was seeing their Champion crowned after tearing up a three loss team in a bowl.
I am very for a playoff. However I’m not going to piss and moan about the BCS…it has brought college football along further than most imagined.
If this were 1992 Oregon would be playing Wisconsin…and Auburn would probably be matched up with Virginia Tech…and if both won, the voters would decide the national championship.
I just think it’s absurd to call the other 34 bowl games meaningless. They’re not.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:50 PM
oh that’s fucking it.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
I don’t really think this matters anymore. Auburn started this season ranked well-below TCU. Stanford started below Ohio St.
I don’t think its as big a problem as we think.
Maybe not. We need Lisk to get statty on this.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
We were lucky enough to have two teams go undefeated this year but that isn’t always the case.
once again, nobody gives two shits about TCU.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
the first one didn’t count. the Hogs are bringing a real coach to the table this time.
/Wisconsin is real good this year.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
No…college football has progressed more than any other sport in the country…see above.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
Yeah, but they are adding teams for more money, not to increase “fairness”. If the goal is to make money, I am sure the BCS conference are currently satisfied with what they are getting.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
I understand that lots of people like the bowls. But the bowls are the bowls. They don’t go away. Syracuse would still get their Pinstripe Bowl.
But the national champion can be determined in a fairer way that makes a ton of money for everyone involved and gets more people excited, watching.*
*Realize this is arguable, but I think those arguing otherwise are doing so dishonestly.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Ill, I stepped over the line. I hope you shank your 3-blade and ALMOST hit one of your Bama friends who will no doubt be wearing frayed cargo shorts and a bama t-shirt on the golf course.
I, too, used to resist the hybrid. Now I hit my 3 hybrid 220 and pure it 80% of the time. On my course, considering two of the par-3′s and the wind, it knocked 2 shots off my game.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
11 years ago it made a reform. It took 63 years to make that reform. Prior to that, there were 5 different national titles awarded in college football.
Baseball had two league champions play in the World Series until 1969. That was nearly 100 years of World Series with just two postseason participants. It took nearly 35 more years to get the wildcard.
These things take time and careful planning. You can’t just snap your fingers and have it done. Especially when there are 119 (I think) participants in Division I football.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
I just think it’s absurd to call the other 34 bowl games meaningless. They’re not.
this dolt just doesn’t get it.
/TBL’d
December 7th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Boise-VPISU was pretty good, as I recall, as was LSU-UNC. Miami and FSU got rolled, but they turned out to be not as good as originally thought, and those things happen when scheduling is done as far in advance as it is. As for Bama and Penn State, yeah, I mean, who wouldn’t want to see two storied programs face off, regardless of how good they were. It’s not like anybody around here puffed out their chests when the Notre Dame – Michigan ratings were released. Oh, wait…
December 7th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
I’ll pile on too. The Rose Bowl is THE important game to Big 11+1 teams. When the good Reverend Brew came to Minnesota he didn’t say anything about a National Championship, he said he wants to take Minnesota to the Rose Bowl.
A playoff is great, it’ll “fix” perceived problems but (save a couple of programs) the importance is in:
1) Beating your rivals (Minnesota’s case: Michigan, Wisconsin and making sure Floyd of Rosedale stays at TCF Bank Stadium)
2) Everything else.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
We were lucky enough to have two teams go undefeated this year but that isn’t always the case.
once again, nobody gives two shits about TCU.
Got Christian in their name.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Dodge Stratus.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
now why the fuck would god put his team in fucking alabama? is it the 35% obesity rate or the rampant illiteracy? or howabout the utter lack of culture? that’s probably what did it.
the lack of literacy only makes following his gospel more easy, fat people are funny, and lastly, it doesn’t border michigan.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:54 PM
Expanding it doesn’t necessarily make it better. Didn’t you bitch about the baseball playoffs this year? Is there anything you actually like in sports that doesn’t involve TV, or could you make them better across the board? Maybe it should be like the NHL, where fucking everybody gets in. That would be more fair. How about making 128 teams D1-A (refuse to call it FBS) and then play it out. Skip the rest of the season. No one would care. You know how to make it fair? The 30-40 teams that actually subsidize the rest of the teams should just break away. You wanna play in a HS stadium with 30,000 people and suck at the tit of teams people care about? Too fucking bad. You get App St. next week (might be a good game. I hear HPD’s favorite team can’t beat them.) And Delaware the week after. Or nut up and play some of them. Maybe join a real conference. What’s not fair is the people bringing NOTHING to the table feel like they should get some of the fruits of the labor. No wonder Duffy likes this plan.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:54 PM
same can be said for the Music City bowl. the playoff argument fails to appreciate the sentiment that tradition is important in college football. while some may argue that there are too many bowls, I’m damn happy that my team is playing in one of the “worst” ones…as well as the other 16000 Vol fans that purchased tickets to the game within 24 hours of them going on sale.
the bowls are only meaningless to people that don’t understand their importance and…well…meaning. TBL wants to change college football into the NFL. I like it the way it is. it has its own personality with the bowls.
but, if anything should change, I’m all for a plus-1 and delaying the polls. I think delaying the polls does matter. I wrote a post at TVF (/pours one out for S&F) a year and a half ago showing how pre-season polls may have fucked some teams chances at playing in BCS games and championships.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:54 PM
I don’t think anyone has ever mistaken Alabama for God’s country. Arkansas on the other hand…
December 7th, 2010 at 3:54 PM
The North East Corridor will not settle until the Entire AL East can be in the playoffs!
December 7th, 2010 at 3:54 PM
irony, defined.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:54 PM
you win.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
this. Bob Griese was calling a couple weeks back and said his favorite football memory was playing in the Rose Bowl, not the SB or undefeated season.
I’m a big fan of bowl season, even going to the Motor City/Pizza Pizza bowl is great fun.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
The only way a playoff could happen is if the parties involved make as much, if not more money than they are now.
HAHA! Yep, completely forgot about them but that kind of proves my point. All 2 of the TCU backers think it’s unfair they didn’t get to play for a national championship in the current BCS system. They’d get an at large in the playoff system and could play for a championship.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
Go thru and list the top10 nonconference opponents played by the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12.
I’m astounded at the thought that people actually think there are a ton of good nonconference games played especially when the discussion this time of year turns to the fact that this or that team didn’t play anyone this year or “look at their schedule!!!”. Completely baffled.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
TBL, I do agree with what seems like majority opinion here in that there is a point where you start including teams to the detriment of everyone involved (well, except the important people who make all the money).
December 7th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
arkansas is like australia without the beaches, cool accent and population.
also, you faggy razorbacks are gonna get vest’d.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:55 PM
Baseball had two league champions play in the World Series until 1969. That was nearly 100 years of World Series with just two postseason participants. It took nearly 35 more years to get the wildcard.
More teams in a playoff does not automatically mean more fair. Everyone does not deserve to be in a playoff. The whole “everybody gets a trophy” argument against the bowls is way worse when applied to a playoff.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:56 PM
Pig fucker.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:56 PM
oh Lord. only Alabama recognizes a national championship that wasn’t awarded by the AP or the Coaches.
/actually closes office computer and goes home now
December 7th, 2010 at 3:56 PM
I, too, used to resist the hybrid. Now I hit my 3 hybrid 220 and pure it 80% of the time. On my course, considering two of the par-3’s and the wind, it knocked 2 shots off my game.
well let’s everyone start the fucking slow clap for ritty and the hybrid hitters…
/deep hate
December 7th, 2010 at 3:57 PM
/Flexes
December 7th, 2010 at 3:57 PM
i knew the pig tasted funny.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:58 PM
hey, as the original dolt, I take offense to that, Dirt.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:58 PM
Why do you care how much money is being made?
The only way a playoff could happen is if the parties involved make as much, if not more money than they are now.
While this is true it has nothing to do with what TBL is talking about.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:58 PM
i use my hybrid for chipping sometimes!
/makes self medal
December 7th, 2010 at 3:58 PM
I’m on your side, dumbass.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:59 PM
the lack of literacy only makes following his gospel more easy, fat people are funny, and lastly, it doesn’t border michigan.
also, its not ohio.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:59 PM
I’m on your side, dumbass.
I don’t like the Wild Card. So no you’re not.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:59 PM
I’m on your side too, dumbass.
December 7th, 2010 at 3:59 PM
only Alabama recognizes a national championship that wasn’t awarded by the AP or the Coaches.
if ya ain’t cheatin’, ya ain’t tryin’
December 7th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
All of this, with some recognition that football and baseball are inherently different. Baseball plays a long regular season which means you actually figure out who’s the best team. Football is a sample size of one sport. That doesn’t mean you should include a giant number of teams in a football playoff, but it does mean that it’s less clear where a line should be drawn.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
In the current top 25, the only teams that played each other in the nonconference were:
Boise – VT
FSU – OU
Ark – A&M
WV – LSU
That’s it. The entire top 25 played each other a total of 4 times out of conference. Pathetic.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Willing to give up that 2006 WS then, eh?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
besides the beaches, I don’t see the problem. and ladies up north love my Arkansas accent.
SEC Speeeeeeeeeedddddddd > vest
December 7th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Nice work, duffy.
I’m in favor of a playoff but I’d also like to see teams that go 8-4 or so, but don’t qualify for the playoff, still have a bowl bid at the end of the year. It’s great for players, programs, schools, and fans.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:00 PM
Oh, this is fucking impossible.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:01 PM
To put a GT spin on this, when Paul Johnson was introduced as head coach at Tech, it was at a basketball game. He gave a short speech, and finished it with “To Hell With Georgia”. There’s a picture from summer training camp that has Al Groh standing behind a rigged up water trough of sorts. Spray painted on the front? “Beat UGA”. That’s always, always, always, going to be the most important thing to Tech fans. That’s more important than a national championship. Imagine if Tech won the ACC, but lost to Georgia, then won this 8 team playoff. That is quite possibly the worst scenario I can imagine for Tech football. I’d rather go winless.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:01 PM
the only thing from texas are steers and queers…and i don’t see any horns.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:01 PM
Notre Dame?
lol @ 220 with a 3 hybrid
December 7th, 2010 at 4:02 PM
fuck – bar
marry – maria
kill – sophie turner
December 7th, 2010 at 4:02 PM
New post?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
/1964′d
December 7th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
Baseball plays a long regular season which means you actually figure out who’s the best team. Football is a sample size of one sport. That doesn’t mean you should include a giant number of teams in a football playoff, but it does mean that it’s less clear where a line should be drawn.
agree with all of this.
I don’t like the Wild Card. So no you’re not.
Willing to give up that 2006 WS then, eh?
obviously not, but if we’re really concerned with fairness then they shouldn’t have had a playoff opportunity in the first place.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
Oh jesus.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
i use my hybrid for chipping sometimes!
hybrids are the most common used golf club in voilent crimes.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
December 7th, 2010 at 4:03 PM
i hit mine 200-210. i don’t care if that makes me a short hitter, fuck you. I NEVER TOOK LESSONS!!! DON’T LAUGH AT ME!!
/runs away crying
December 7th, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Sci-fi the cardinals won the central in 06
December 7th, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Oh, this is fucking impossible.
Funniest thing about that? 48% of people said they would fuck Sophie Turner, but 49% said they would kill her.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Dude, you can’t predict the preseason.
Two years ago Oregon vs. Tennessee would have been huge. How was Ohio State to know Mimai would shit themselves? North Carolina was a top ten team before losing their defense to NCAA rules, they played LSU.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:04 PM
Not Wisconsin’s fault Arizona State decided to lose every close game they played this season that didn’t involve two blocked extra points
December 7th, 2010 at 4:04 PM
that’s stupid…i’d use a wedge. heavy, kinda sharpish, have some old ones laying around so i don’t have to get the loft and lie checked after i whoop ass…
December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
I am not proud of this:
M: Maria
K: Bar
F: Sophie
December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
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December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
Funniest thing about that? 48% of people said they would fuck Sophie Turner, but 49% said they would kill her
No one wants to marry the stripper.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
Lisk is still doing research on Peyton Manning and whether or not this is a precipitous slope.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
LOL @ Wanny
December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
not OSU’s fault miami is gayer than a bag of dicks.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:05 PM
I don’t even fucking care about a playoff vs. BCS anymore. My team is going to a bowl this year and I don’t have to travel 1,000 miles to go to it. So I just don’t give a shit anymore.
/team jpq.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:06 PM
I am not proud of this:
M: Maria
K: Bar
F: Sophie
All I got out of this is that Jersey wouldn’t fuck Bar if given the opportunity.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:06 PM
jersey…kill bar? kill that butterface sophie turner.
/sophie turner’s face is so nasty, it makes her ass, which is a pantheon ass on its own, less attractive.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:06 PM
No one wants to marry the stripper.
/Cowherd’d?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Too short? Too long? What?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Kill Bar? how dare you.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
It’s in the Hawkeye Hall of Fame, cleet. No one really cares about it though.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
No one wants to marry the stripper.
/Cowherd’d?
what I was going for.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Looks left, looks right.
/Jams 21 guage syringe into Spence’s thigh.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
She wouldn’t suffer though. That was fucking painful.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Simple.
M-Bar
F- Sophie
K-Maria
December 7th, 2010 at 4:08 PM
I agree with the delay concept. I’m wondering if voting patterns have changed in the last few years with the Harris poll intorduction. Is there more “jumping” of teams now? Boise got jumped this year.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:08 PM
Woo-hoo!
December 7th, 2010 at 4:08 PM
Well, if they had played each other, one of them would have lost another game and wouldn’t be in the Top 25 anymore. Not to be too obvious or anything…
December 7th, 2010 at 4:08 PM
I’m gonna watch that SMU movie on Saturday, and root for the NCAA.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:09 PM
im ashamed to say that i’ve met you in person. kill maria? jesus fucking christ man. what the fuck is wrong with you?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:09 PM
No shit. Please.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:09 PM
Spencer spotted in gym class with good pal, Brutus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgYi80pLif0
December 7th, 2010 at 4:10 PM
They’re all tens, it’s a question of combining the answers for “Who has the most money” and “Which face would look best in 30 years” to figure out the marriage thing.
Figuring out who to kill is in no way fair.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:10 PM
/still hits 3hybrid 200-210
//steroids don’t help fix swing flaws
December 7th, 2010 at 4:10 PM
I’m still waiting to know why hitting a 3-hybrid is LOL worthy.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:11 PM
lol.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:11 PM
Thus every team in the top 25 being undefeated? Your Missouri education is showing.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:11 PM
What the fuck is wrong with me? I’d rather bang Sophie than Maria, and If I had to marry Bar or Maria, I’m marrying Bar. I have no choice but to kill the other. Nature of the beast, brah. It wasn’t easy by any means. Sophie Turner might be the funnest bang ever, I want to have that experience.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:11 PM
Yeah man. Maria can’t die. She is so marryable that she ruins the whole thing.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:12 PM
I’m gonna watch that SMU movie on Saturday, and root for the NCAA.
Ha. I’ve heard SMU takes a shellacking in this one.
/spoiler alert.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:12 PM
I think Bar is a smoker. She’s going to look leathery soon.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:12 PM
Where does Wanny go from here? Sun Belt or 1AA?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:13 PM
LOOK AT HER FACE. I DARE YOU. LOOK AT IT.
/recoils in horror
December 7th, 2010 at 4:13 PM
I think using top 25 ranking is arbitrary when determining good out of conference games anyway. If you use the BCS top 25, anybody that played UCF gets credit for playing a good out of conference game.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:14 PM
It was actually a strain on herpes
December 7th, 2010 at 4:14 PM
well shit. better get suppressing.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:15 PM
on = of
dammit
December 7th, 2010 at 4:15 PM
I used the AP poll.
You don’t think it’s a little telling that of all of the losses by top 25 teams this year, only four came from a ranked nonconference opponent? You telling me that teams are taking risks out of conference in the current system is a joke.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:16 PM
So are the following players
Lefty, Rory, Goose, Els, Camilo, Luke Donald, PGA player of the Year Jim Furyk, 2 time major winner Angel Cabrera, Vijay Singh (who uses up to 3 in his bag at once), and even Tiger(along with about every other player out there. I think the number is above 85% at this point) But, I’m sure you don’t have their swing flaws, and don’t need one.
/COLOSSAL wanking motion
December 7th, 2010 at 4:16 PM
did I miss the wanny story?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:17 PM
Ah, logic escapes the genius form the great state of Nebraska, where…..well, where nothing, and no one, comes from.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:18 PM
since golf kind of present in this thread… i’d like to remind everyone on the PGA to lube up next year cause Tiger is comin’ for that ass.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:18 PM
I can’t believe I have to side with a Missourian on this. Fuck.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:18 PM
This isn’t a bad plan, duffy. Functional.
I’ll keep dreaming of a sixteen-team playoff, though.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:18 PM
Answer me this. What’s the incentive for a team from a major conference to schedule a tough team in the current system? Hasn’t there only been one undefeated team from a major conference left out of the title game?
Again, there’s as much incentive now to schedule tough in thenonconference as there would be with a playoff.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:19 PM
I feel the same way about South Carolina and Clemson. If I could trade the Clemson win for an Auburn win…the answer is a resounding NO.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:19 PM
craig…ritty uses a hybrid.
on a similar golf note…the method no. 3 putter looks good in tiger’s bag. wonder if it’ll hurt scotty sales down the road if he doesn’t switch back…
December 7th, 2010 at 4:19 PM
Maria who?
If Sophie Turner is the person that was in the first wikipedia entry I saw after googling her name, she should be killed in every scenario. Uuuuuugly.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:20 PM
10 of the top 25 teams in the AP poll have at least 3 losses. Thus an early nonconference loss (especially one to another ranked team) would not knock you out of the rankings.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:21 PM
yeah i was just razzing ritty for the 220, he coulda said 265 and I woulda gave him shit. I hope duffy didn’t get a concussion after getting knocked of his high horse by craig.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:21 PM
sophie turner’s only 5 days younger than me? jesus christ, i woulda thought she was in her late 30′s…
/fantastic ass tho
December 7th, 2010 at 4:22 PM
Of the possible restrictions on this system that I’ve read, the ones I like best are:
1. You can’t be in the playoffs if you lost to a FCS team (eliminates Virginia Tech)
2. You have to have nine wins against FBS opponents (eliminates UConn)
December 7th, 2010 at 4:23 PM
yeah, that was more a shot at who was taking a shot at him. Quote fail.
Won’t hurt Scotty. You heard it here first—Nike will be procuring the Scotty Cameron brand next year. there is a real disconnect with Tiger and golf club sales. He doesn’t help. He sells shirts and shoes, not clubs. Only 2 players sell clubs, and one of them not so much anymore. Phil (who talks like a NASCAR driver after every event) and Vijay. Nike does not sell south of the Mason Dixon line. they know it, and try to market around it. Once you are south of STL, Nike is a non-factor on clubs. Elephant in the room.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:23 PM
I dunno, every body likes a SC(that can afford one). Especially the 3 jackers.
/has a Red-X
December 7th, 2010 at 4:24 PM
He got shitcanned today.
And Bears, Dolphins and Pitt fans rejoiced!
December 7th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
That is very interesting, as I am well South of that and see Nike stuff EVERYWHERE. Granted I don’t have hard numbers in front of me but that is interesting.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
But that ASS… daaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuuummmmmmnnnn. Mami threw it like a quarterback, I caught that like Rice.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
haha, thanks jim. I’m not a fan of any of those teams, just always had a dislike for the stache.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.
lemme guess…it’s all titleist in the south. ALL titleist.
and ive long said it…im a fan of nike’s forged irons.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
i have a beautiful Circle T GSS that I wouldn’t sell for 3G’s. And a Copper Newport Beach that used to be Vijay’s. One of about 5 copper beaches ever made. It’s priceless to me. it’ll be my boy’s one day.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
I think you need a better metric for determining quality OOC games. I’d say that beating a Georgia Tech team that finished 6-6 this year is better than beating UCF, that finished ranked 25th in the BCS. I still can’t understand the dichotomy of wanting to discount the rankings on one hand, then turning around and using them to support your argument. Makes no sense.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:28 PM
By the way, my eyes suck and I started using the yellow Srixon. Love it.
And yes, there is NIke in the South. On the muni’s.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Nike may be buying all of Titleist. The discussions with Fortune Brands have started. In 4 years it’ll be Nike and TMaG, and that’s it. Tour layers sell rags (shirts) and that’s where the money is. TM lost hundreds of millions again this year. adidas doesn’t care. Shirst cost 3 cents to make, and are sold at half of MSRP (a $70 retail shirt costs $35 to the retailer.) It’s the only place with margin left in the industry. It’s why Puma bought Cobra. they want to sell more rags.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:29 PM
yea…i like my studio style no. 2. great feeling putter…the only thing i’d replace it with is a handmade 8802 style.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:29 PM
Ritty knows what I’m referring to about Nike.
/am glad I don’t play munis often
December 7th, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Yes.
/sample of me’d
December 7th, 2010 at 4:31 PM
I used the AP Poll.
And GT, really? That’s some Spencer-level homerism here. You’re wins are against SC St., Middle Tennessee, UVA, WF, @UNC, and Duke. ANd you lost to a Kansas team coming off a loss to ND St.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:31 PM
yellow Srixon is awesome. Easy to see in the air.
At the muni’s, huh? i wonder what color the guys are that are playing it. It’s a real problem for them. i can’t tell you how many times I had a customer say “I am not playing clubs that a damn ****** is playing!” it’s like I’m in a time machine.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:31 PM
lol you ever play Chastain? Lot’s o’ Nike equipment out there.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:32 PM
yeah, that was more a shot at who was taking a shot at him. Quote fail.
go fuck yourself. my arguement isn’t that hybrids are gimmick clubs or do i look down on players who use them, it’s just that i don’t like them. they don’t fit my swing, which also happens to look nothing like any of those PGA players you listed.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:32 PM
ive heard good things about it and wanted to give it a try while the weather was cooperating, but never did. i’ve still got some TM red’s im trying to get rid of.
so who’d get callaway?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:33 PM
I’ve heard this story 1,000 times from the Asst Pros I know.
As much shit as TM gives away I’m not surprised by that at all.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:33 PM
You watched the games though, right? Tell me you watched the games. Tell me you watched UCF and Georgia Tech enough to say that one is better than the other. Because I’m willing to bet that you absolutely did not.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:34 PM
No, I stay on the southside Canongate courses. Not too much “Nike” there.
/nods
December 7th, 2010 at 4:34 PM
I have data.
And transitive property UCF>Southern Miss>Kansas>GT
So there…
December 7th, 2010 at 4:36 PM
bye bye. They are in real trouble. It’s year 4 of TM’s 7 year plan to put them out of business. It’s working. Callaway does not have the cash to keep churning product, then dumping it on closeout. TM is killing them. That’s why Callaway is trying it’s best to get into shoes and apparel, it’s why TM bought Ashworth (Ashworth used to make Callys apparel, and TM wanted to shove it up their ass). the Callaway salepeople are getting screwed, which is the first sign of real trouble. Callaway will be gone in 5 years.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:37 PM
not trying to be racist, but if i had a dollar for everytime i saw a foursome of AA gentlemen decked out in red nike shirts and/or black nike hats, i’d be able to get lunch.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:37 PM
It’s too bad they can’t do that. 9 wins in 10 years. UGA runs this state*.
*that’s about all they run
December 7th, 2010 at 4:38 PM
Damn alcoholics
/winks at Spence in a non-homo way
December 7th, 2010 at 4:38 PM
it’s not racist, it’s just true. And it sucks because Nike makes some quality shit right now. The new irons are spectacular, the VR Tour driver was the tits, and the wedges are good, too.
/confession, worked for Nike as consultant for awhile. Not biased, though.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:39 PM
you know what’d help cally out?
SELLING A FUCKING MODEL OF PHIL’S PUTTER GOD DAMNIT.
that or making a hybrid or iron that’s not an embarassment to have in the bag.
what about ping?
December 7th, 2010 at 4:39 PM
I don’t mind any of it on anyone, anywhere until they have a 10′ putt and they do the Tiger crouch for 10 minutes from 10 angles then put it 10′ beyond the hole.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:40 PM
There’s good data and bad data. There’s data that says the Patriots are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, yet they only gave up three points last night to a 9-3 Jets team.
In that case, Jacksonville State > Ole Miss > Kentucky > South Carolina > Alabama.
Let’s see how UCF fares against UGA in their bowl matchup. I’m gonna guess that they run fewer than 90 offensive plays, and rack up less than 500 yards of offense.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:41 PM
are we simply talking about apparel or golf equipment as well? i can’t see it being good for the equipment industry to have 3-4 different types of clubs driving competition instead of 10-12.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:41 PM
I have a Calloway bag that I like quite a bit. Calloway Driver too. The FT5. Used to murder that thing.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:41 PM
You can get Phils putter, have someone at your club order it for you.
Ping will be OK. Not a publicly traded company, no shareholders screaming, they can do what’s best for Ping long term. G15 is awesome, and the customer service is second to none. Most consistent company I have ever dealt with.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:41 PM
Damn that sucks cg about CW, I love their irons
/3-PW X Forged with 6.5 Project X Flighted shafts
December 7th, 2010 at 4:44 PM
So what’s your data? The 23-37 combined record of the teams you beat this year?
I’m interested. Really. I desperately want to argue about who’s better between UCF and GT to prove that nobody schedules tough nonconference games. Please, continue.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Since the USGA has eliminated technology from drivers, it doesn’t matter if there is 4 or 14. All the heads are the same since Cleveland figured out the best design on the Hi-Bore XL in 2007(flat sole, with he crown sloping back towards it) The only thing that matters now is the shaft. hardgoods (clubs, putters, bags) lose money. Softgoods (shoes, apparel) make money. For the manufacturer and the retailer.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:46 PM
great set. I have 5 sets of identical Callaway wedges in the garage. When my currents get used up, i can stright switch and never notice. they have had 4 bad years of drivers in a row, and it is going to kill htem. If the RazrHawk doesn’t sell, they may not make it 5 years.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:53 PM
late to the game, but thanks to those who were willing to be part of a discussion on a relevant topic (for a bit).
Sorry, I’m just not a fan of someone diving into a post first to drop some inflammatory rip job without even reading the post. that action serves no purpose.
December 7th, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Tech’s the best rushing team in the nation. Put up over 500 yards of offense and 34 points on UGA in Athens. We’ll see how good UCF is against that same Georgia team in the bowl game. My point is that using top 25 rankings, whether they’re AP, coaches poll, Harris poll, or BCS, are pretty arbitrary when it comes to determining out of conference games. There was a time when VT wouldn’t be considered a “quality” out of conference win for Boise using your standards, yet now it is. Fact of the matter is, it was a quality win all along. I haven’t bothered to look at the final polls, but I don’t think FSU ended up ranked. I’d say Oklahoma beating them is a quality win, since, from what I saw, FSU is a quality football team. According to your criteria, however, that wouldn’t count.
December 7th, 2010 at 5:00 PM
FSU is #23 and I included them in my list.
December 7th, 2010 at 5:14 PM
DAMMIT! I’m so late on this, but EVERY team will have a legitimate chance with any 8 or 16 team playoff. You don’t need automatic qualifiers. If I tld you 10 years ago Boise St, Nevada, AND TCU would be in the top 12 BCS standings you would have scoffed. The small schools just need to go unbeaten. There is no reason for them to get an automatic bid with 4,5, and 6 losses which is what Wetzel refuses to understand and why he has 6-6 FIU in his mythical, never gonna happen, I’m just a media blowhard playoff scenario.
December 7th, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Just now skimming. Easy, JMU over VT. Stanford loses to Oregon, doesn’t matter. Wisky gets blown out, doesn’t matter. Every game Uconn played.
No one is saying that this particular system would destroy the regular season and people would stop watching (like college bball). But it absolutely would remove the gut-wrenching immediacy of the sport.
When undefeated PSU lost to Iowa two years ago it was like a stomach punch and ball kick all in one, I’m still bitter years later. In this scenario I say, “Meh, doesn’t matter, were still in the playoffs” and the game literally wouldnt have mattered. If you cant see the difference there I dont know what to tell you.
December 7th, 2010 at 7:51 PM
An 8-team playoff is much better with 5-team conference champions getting auto bids while 3 at-larges.
Nobody would take the regular season any less seriously and the 3-at-large bids would get any great 1-loss teams and/or some undefeated TCU/BSU teams