E. Gordon Gee, the Ohio State President, is a Jerkoff
1-liner, All, College Football November 24th. 2010, 11:00am
E. Gordon Gee is a Douche: “Even if TCU and Boise State run the table, they still don’t deserve to be in the Bowl Championship Series title game, Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee said Wednesday. In an interview with The Associated Press, the president at the university with the largest athletic program in the country said that TCU and Boise State do not face a difficult enough schedule to play in the national championship game.” As you might expect, Gee isn’t into a playoff. He favor$ the “mixed-up my$tery” currently in place. Laughable. [AP]
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November 24th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
What athletic departments do you think add the value to the system?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Oh dear.
/grabs seat
//pours nog with bicardi
///waits for spencer
November 24th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Spencer does a lot more complaining about Oregon and the Pac-10 than Boise St and TCU.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
and now, jim tressel on higher education policy…..
stay in yer room!
November 24th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
hes an inspiration to us all
November 24th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
I demand a big 10 team get thumped in the title game!
November 24th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Looks like I’ve found a place to hang out for a while
/builds fire
//pops corn
///offers some to cleet
November 24th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Sounds like a great time to put my turkey in the brine pool
/buh-bye
November 24th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
did artie write this post?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
the only thing that’s laughable is the continued beating of this drum without offering a single fucking solution.
and just saying “playoff” doesn’t count.
anyone with a brain is in favor of a +1, but if you have a solution that makes everyone happy and completely gets rid of any type of controversy, i’d love to hear it.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
I’ve been enjoying the Twitter Assassination of this dude.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
he has a point
November 24th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
as we all should.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
He left out blue turf is faggy.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
He’s probably not the only major university president to feel that way just the only one dumb enough to come out and say it.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Awesome post TBL.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
i should have added “Greedy” in the headline. Sorry, guys
November 24th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
You say that like the current system has everyone happy and completely gets rid of any type of controversy
November 24th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Looks like I’ve found a place to hang out for a while
/builds fire
//pops corn
///offers some to cleet
Yo hawkeye, ever had Czechvar? If not, I recommend. Goes well with popcorn.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
HAHA
November 24th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
that was hardly my intent.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
After realizing that the Pac-10 will be unable to fill it’s bowl obligations (possibly putting ND in the Las Vegas Bowl), I’m starting to agree.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Gordan Gekko > Gordon Bombay > the worthless guy named Gordon in our office > E. Gordon Gee.
Lists seem like a fun idea today.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Just curious, is calling him a jerkoff slander?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Missed your opportunity for some sweet alliteration.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
////accepts
/////only after throwing some mesquite chips on the fire.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
I get that we should disagree with him on this statement, yet I fail to see the correlation between BSU and TCU not playing in a title game and how he feels about a playoff.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
this is how you get a +1 playoff. This is exactly what needs to happen. The big boys get pissed that the little guys might finish 2nd and 3rd, so they make it a 4 team playoff. This is good. I hope LSU’s chancellor goes next, and claims that on a neutral field, they could hold Boise scoreless.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Hands Across America would be a nice start.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
So we should only fix the current system if we can all agree on one system and it is devoid of controversy? Because that is impossible, but that’s not to say that we can’t improve the system.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
what’s greedy about staying with a system that doesn’t earn as much money?
then again, show me a school president interested in going bankrupt and i’ll show you an unemployed school president.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
and douchey…
November 24th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Just curious, is calling him a jerkoff slander?
this guy wanks it for sure
November 24th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
No one here does therefore I’d prefer not even let anyone try tell me they do as it will devolve into what you said. Someone yelling playoff, links being dropped into the comments to steer the away from previously posed legitimate questions and concerns followed by everyone maintaining their previously held stance regarding this issue that someone wrote a book about to make a bunch of money.
Let’s keep talking about food. Here’s some more funnies regarding the cooking of food.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
It’s what I’ve been saying for a while now. A Boise St. – TCU final would push us closer to a playoff/plus-one than anything else.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
I don’t like your jerkoff name. I don’t like your jerkoff face. I don’t like your jerkoff behavior, and I don’t like you, jerkoff. Do I make myself clear?
/Lebowski’d
November 24th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
I’ve not, but that sounds like a good idea for the winter. Popcorn consumption goes up with the fireplace being used.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
the only thing helping the pac-10 is that nobody watches them so nobody on the east coast or in the midwest realizes how shitty that entire conference is.
what do you mean by “improve?”
right now we get 30 extra games of football between teams that rarely play each other. what is so bad about that?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
You left out gordan ramsay. mmmmmmmm cream fraiche…. thats it.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
then again, show me a school president interested in going bankrupt and i’ll show you an unemployed school president.
University presidents today are much more about raising money for the school and bringing in revenue than they are about basic fairness. But still if I want to hear about a university’s views on athletics, I’d rather hear it from the AD.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Bulldog, I’d like to paypal you $5 so you can buy a clue. Send me your paypal info.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Slander is oral. Libel is published.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
You’re making it sound as if it’s a bad thing. As long as he’s standing outside people’s windows and floggin the dolphin.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
+1
November 24th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
LMAO. TBL is on fire!
November 24th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Gordan Gekko > Gordon Bombay > Gordon Ramsay > Commisioner Gordon > Gordon’s fisherman > the worthless guy named Gordon in our office > E. Gordon Gee.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
did anyone see the old reporter asking Les Miles the Erin Andrews questions? that shit was funny.
/likely duckworth’d
November 24th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
/pours one out for hef
November 24th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Plus make this website entertaining as hell.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
I’ve not, but that sounds like a good idea for the winter. Popcorn consumption goes up with the fireplace being used.
It’s not really a winter type beer, it’s a Czech Pilsener. But it goes well with buttery things.
http://kd59.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/czechvar.jpg
November 24th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
this seems like a trend. my office had one of these as well. he got fired a couple months ago for drinking keystone ice tallboys while at work. and stealing money out of the honor system snack jar to feed his alcohol problem.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Cleet – Gorton’s Fisherman not Gordon’s
November 24th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Random trivia question: Gordon Shumway was the alias for what television character?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
I can’t really respond to that without getting banned…
November 24th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
i want a SuperCuts coupon
November 24th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
gordon from sesame street just told you all to suck it
November 24th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
this seems like a trend. my office had one of these as well. he got fired a couple months ago for drinking keystone ice tallboys while at work. and stealing money out of the honor system snack jar to feed his alcohol problem.
This guy doesn’t drink, but he’s never on time, he always tries to leave early, still doesn’t understand basic aspects of his job (though he’s been here for over five years), and on top of all of it, his excuses are lame. The only reason he’s here is that we can’t afford to let go of any more staff.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
/raises eyebrow
November 24th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Bulldog, I’d like to paypal you $5 so you can buy a clue. Send me your paypal info.
hey I”m clueless too. Send me 5 bucks as well.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Dammit. I hate ranking fails.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Gordon Shumway was the alias for what television character?
Was he from Melmac?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
I’m just curious how he knows it costs $5 to purchase a clue…
November 24th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
E Gordon Gee forgot the part where he pretends to give a shit about their education.
/compelled to type his full name every time
November 24th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Will a 6-6 ND team accept a bowl bid? they didn’t last season. Which I thought was really stupid.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:20 AM
gordon from sesame street just told you all to suck it
does anybody remember when Mr Hooper died? So sad.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Blame the Gorton’s commercials. It sounds like Gordon’s to me. but you get a +1 from me for spelling dammit right.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
“E. Gordon Gee”
November 24th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Winner. Couldve used you at bar trivia last night, finished one point out of the money.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Sting’s real name is Gordon. Coincidence? No way
November 24th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
E Gordon Gee forgot the part where he pretends to give a shit about their education.
/compelled to type his full name every time
And what is it about some people in high positions who used their middle name but add the first initial as an affectation? I use my middle name because I always thought my first name was boring. Why would I call attention to it?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Gale Gordon
Bulldog, I’d like to paypal you $5 so you can buy a clue. Send me your paypal info.
Here’s Bulldog’s clue:
What sports & pop culture blogging icon seems to be a silent minority on an inanely stupid topic that is wrought with dozens of pitfalls, yet never seems to acknowledge their existence?
/that’ll be $5
November 24th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
It’s safe to say that bitter beer face didn’t blow his cover.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
I agree. THey really deep to drop the act of being too good for the lesser bowls and give kids the experience. Not to mention the extra practice time.
BTW, if TCU gets shut out of the BCS that would likely be ND’s opponent. Not good for ND. If TCU does go, they probably won’t want to rematch Utah and ND (though Utah might want one) so they’d either play Air Force or BYU.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Will a 6-6 ND team accept a bowl bid? they didn’t last season. Which I thought was really stupid.
Brian Kelly needs a winning season, I think. And he missed his bowl game last year. I think they do everything they can to put distance between that dead kid and today, whatever today is.
I hope they play Northern Illinois in some bowl.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Sting has “Fields of Gold”, totally cancels out the Gordon penalty.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
I never trust a guy with an initial for his first name. Do you think he gets tired of everyone asking him what the E stands for? You obviously don’t like your name so why draw more attention to it.
/I officially dislike everything about OSU.
//Especially when people say “THE” osu
November 24th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
It’s safe to say that bitter beer face didn’t blow his cover.
You know who could have pulled it off without anyone noticing? Keith Stone. I hear he’s smooth.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon………..
November 24th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
* silent = vocal
November 24th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Says the guy who roots for a school that hired Rich Rod. Weis was on his way out, there was a lot of uncertainty about the team the way its constructed, and the department would have LOST money on whatever bowl they went to.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
I’m quite partial to Englishman in New York.
I’m an alien… I’m a legal alien…
November 24th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
This guy doesn’t drink, but he’s never on time, he always tries to leave early, still doesn’t understand basic aspects of his job (though he’s been here for over five years), and on top of all of it, his excuses are lame. The only reason he’s here is that we can’t afford to let go of any more staff.
uhh, seems like he should have been gone first
/don;t let it hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya!
//learned that this morning from powerpuff girls
November 24th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
go get fucked.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Heard Brian Kelly on the radio last week say that they would absolutely accept a a bowl invitation and the 3 weeks of practice that goes with it…
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
TheGilly rules.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Ya don’t say.
/3 times
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
sg, i love 80 per ccent of that album. could do w/o the death dancing song
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
2,559 days.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Can’t believe G Gordon Liddy hasn’t come up.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
You dodged the question earlier. Is the boyfriend coming over for Thanksgiving?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Flawless Victory JPQ.
You all know who epic beard man is, right? From the MARTA in Atlanta? Well, this was viewed over the weekend and is quite hilarious.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
G Gordon Liddy
November 24th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Bulldog, I’d like to paypal you $5 so you can buy a clue. Send me your paypal info.
hey I”m clueless too. Send me 5 bucks as well.
send mine to my cs account
November 24th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
1. richrod 2-1 against nd
2. sanchez sucks
3. Jets are lucky
4. the practice time alone makes the bowl worth it. ND was losing a lot of players from that 2009 team, they could have gotten a lot of practice reps for the younger players.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
We have a guy who in three years has partially completed two projects that would have taken me two months to fully complete. He comes in late, leaves early, and eats all the ice cream in the freezer for his lunch.
He’s still around because we’re doing well, his projects are not part of our main product line, and our owner is a very trusting fella who won’t fire anyone who doesn’t lie or steal.
He also is really loud and makes personal phone calls in the kitchen that everyone in the building can hear. Awesome dude.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
e gordon gee the man the myth the legend
November 24th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Go Bama & whoever is playing Oregon!
November 24th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Ya don’t say.
/3 times
just as funny the fourth time tho, right?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
great show. Bubbles is the best.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Arizona and Oregon State. And yes.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Any one or two out of Oregon, Boise State, and TCU playing for the national championship is a complete joke.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Any one or two out of Oregon, Boise State, and TCU playing for the national championship is a complete joke.
blame the system. It was a complete joke when 2 loss LSU played for it as well. And non-conference champ Oklahoma.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
well done, CJ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhFE4oxig04
Used to go to CCD on Mondays way back when and me and my buddies would sit around and think about the fact that we were missing ALF (but recording it on VHS!)
November 24th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
THIS!! I get it. TBL knows his stance gets some page views and gets comments up, but he just refuses to lay out a workable system. He touts the Wetzel Plan (which is retarded) yet ignores the Mandel plan, which makes much more sense. A true playoff will never happen (best 8-16 teams in) because the Big 6 will want a guarantee that they will be at the table. So an 8-team playoff will leave off good teams so a shitty Big East/ACC school gets in. A 16-team playoff will kill the bowls, and that simply is not an option. The presidents won’t ever do that. It’s easy to stand up and bitch and moan, but just like politicians, actually doing something about what’s wrong is a totally different animal.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Vegas would disagree. And they know a lot more about football than you.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
Through 10 games, Oregon has played one team that is bowl eligible. ONE FUCKING TEAM.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
1. Cute. Then by all means, keep him around.
2. And all the teams that let him do well against them suck worse.
3. A lot of teams wish they could be as lucky as they are
4. Coaching with a lame duck coaching staff that already did away with the HC? Yeah, because those are ALWAYS productive.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:37 AM
ok ok, it’s time for the post asking everyone what they’re thankful for. spencer and jersey anger can be held back until friday
November 24th, 2010 at 11:37 AM
yup
November 24th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Make a Top 16 or 20 ranking in the BCS be a requirement for an auto-bid in an 8 team playoff
November 24th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Bears are luckier. Suck it.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
it seems we’re the only ones outraged by this. fuck oregon. fuck them right in their faces.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
Oregon has to be thrilled that nobody notices this because everybody’s focused on Boise St and TCU’s schedules.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
I never said Vegas doesn’t know more about football than I do. I just said that those three teams are slime and shouldn’t have a chance to play for the title. Vegas likes them so much because their schedules were and are garbage.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:40 AM
I’m getting there.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:40 AM
Fixed!
November 24th, 2010 at 11:40 AM
preseaon polls are the biggest joke of all.
more productive than no bowl reps.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:41 AM
LSU was the best team in the nation that year and I believe they played an insane schedule.
The Big 6 won’t go for that. They want a guarantee that they are at the table. That’s just the truth of the matter. I wish it would be the top-8 BCS teams, but that will never happen.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:41 AM
At the end of the day, this would the truest, fairest system. Automatic qualifier from EVERY FBS conference, including the Sun Belt, so eleven conferences + 5 at large teams. Sure, that team would likely get beat up but nonetheless, every team in FBS should feel at the beginning of the season that it has ostensibly a chance to play for the national title, just like in every other NCAA sport.
Obviously, this will never ever happen. Which is unfortunate.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:41 AM
i’ll meet you halfway to speed up the outraging process.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:42 AM
The last time the Irish went to a bowl game after firing the HC, it did a lot more harm then good.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:42 AM
why is it retarded? because you deem it so?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
Totally agree, but they aren’t going anywhere. Magazines and websites get way too much interest from them.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
Through 10 games, Oregon has played one team that is bowl eligible. ONE FUCKING TEAM.
that’s a little disingenuous, no? Not untrue, but just a little disingenuous? USC would be bowl eligible, if they were eligible. Stanford’s 5th in the country. Arizona is going to be eligible (who they play next), and so it probably Tennessee and maybe Oregon State. Maybe Cal, too.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
it’s retarded because he argues that troy, A TEAM THAT JUST LET UP 69 FUCKING POINTS TO SOUTH CAROLINA, would have access to that playoff.
how is that not retarded?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Because putting the Sun Belt/MAC on the same level as the Big 10 and the SEC is retarded. 5-5 FIU is going to win the Sun Belt. Do you honestly think they should get a spot in a playoff?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
yes. yes. yes.
Thanks for bringing some sense to the discussion, Geoff.
Equality.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Their only losses that year were to ranked teams, on the road… both in triple OT.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Then the actual Big 4 need to make it happen and tell the half-a-stock Big East and ACC to get bent.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
why is it retarded? because you deem it so?
because it involves teams who don’t actually play football at the national championship level or even anywhere close, while bottlenecking dozens of national powers behind 1 per conference autobids and 5 at large bids chosen by the same system by which we choose the 2 teams now, which is to say via ranking them, which Wetzel has established as corrupted.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
Tenn, Oregon State and Cal won’t be. USC will be their second best win, and they have what, 4 losses?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
spencer, read Geoff’s comment.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
stanford hasn’t played anyone either, but they’re 5th? a team that gave up 52 points in a game this season is 5th?
regardless…there’s only one team that’s bowl eligible before heading into the final week of the season. that’s indefensible for a conference.
sagarin can go suck a dick.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
Equal and fair are two completely different things.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
just do a plus one.
The sun belt and Mac deserve no consideration in a playoff.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:47 AM
see Geoff’s comment. a nice injection of logic.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:47 AM
?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
They are elite. They beat ND.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
At the end of the day, this would the truest, fairest system.
The SEC woudl either demand 2 autobids, or unform and reform as 2 conferences. They wouldn’t rely on the ranking system to get their second bid.
And if you have 16 teams playing, and 5 of them are the best team in an awful conference, you might have 5 awful teams in your utopian playoff, with a team ranked as high as 10th sitting home.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Playoffs for all and payment for all players!
/problem solved
November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
So it’s fair that a school like (insert school from small leagues) to get all of the benefits of a big money school without, you know, spending the big money?
Football is not like every other sport. Football ensures that every other sport exists.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
The problem is that logic is fit for a youth soccer league.
/I would love a playoff…but that one is a pipe dream.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:49 AM
I want Bama to thump Auburn. I would love to see either a Boise-Oregon or Boise-TCU championship game
November 24th, 2010 at 11:49 AM
see Geoff’s comment. a nice injection of logic.
it’s not logical. You just agree with it.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Automatic qualifier from EVERY FBS conference, including the Sun Belt,
As long as we are being “fair” how about the services academies/independents?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:49 AM
i did and thought it was pie-in-the-sky bullshit.
id prefer you tell me your thoughts on this instead of directing me towards someone else’s opinion. tell me why these teams that are either unwilling or unable to put a good product on the field deserve a shot at the national championship.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
except thats a blatant lie
November 24th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
I hate you today.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I vote for Geoff as the next president of the NCAA. This is the way it should have been set up to begin with.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
see Geoff’s comment. a nice injection of logic.
Because we should treat College Football and Women’s Field Hockey equally
/Stupid Idea
//Here’s your trophy
November 24th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
November 24th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
12-team playoff, NFL-style. First round byes and home games for the first two rounds. Bowl games for the final three games. Boom. Done. Oh, and take the Big 6 winners and 6 at-large. The Sun Belt and MAC champs can be included if they qualify as an at-large.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 AM
So that means that nearly half of the FBS should go into every season of having a truly 0% chance of playing for the national title? We’re talking about COLLEGE sports. This isn’t the NFL. I’m not saying money doesn’t or shouldn’t play a part but at the end of the day this isn’t professional sports. Where, by the way, every team has a chance at playing for the title.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 AM
TBL, do you agree with, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”?
Because that’s basically your CFB view in a nutshell.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 AM
This right here. TBL, you want to hold hands and pronounce world peace for all while you’re at it? Because that has a better chance of happening than every league getting a birth. You bitch and moan about crappy games in CFB, but what would happen with Boise State hosting FIU, or Troy? What about an epic bout between Oregon and La Monroe?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:53 AM
TBL: Take Geoff’s (Wetzel’s) plan and apply it to the season after conference championships are done and then tell me how fair you think that is. You do have that planned right?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:54 AM
So you want to compare a league with 32 teams that has revenue sharing with college and 120 teams that don’t?
November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Oh, and take the Big 6 winners and 6 at-large.
I hate the autobids idea. and any number of at large selections are all selected by some corrupt or corruptible means.
Just let the SunBelt champ play the Horizon league champ, and give them the National Title.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
How so? Every other NCAA sport’s playoff is organized by the, wait for it, NCAA, not the BCS. I’m not saying every team actually has a shot of winning but technically every team in other NCAA sports has a chance, no matter how small.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
But the talent gap and the resources are much more equal at the professional level than they are at the collegiate level.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Yet somehow people watch the 1-16 matchup in the NCAA basketball tournament. Damn, I wonder how they do it.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
how can you say this and then immediately say…
i want to go to harvard, but wasn’t let in. it’s almost as if rejection of the unwilling/unable is a part of COLLEGE.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
This isn’t true. If Troy were to win all of their games this year (beating South Carolina and Ok St), they would be in consideration. It’s a small chance, but it’s better than 0%.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
I would like to strike my last sentence from that post from the record. Completely distracted from my argument.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
true, unless you are the Detroit Lions.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Your at-large teams are still selected via the polls which you also think are the devil.
Knock it off.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:58 AM
At some point the SEC, Big 10, Big XII, and Pac-10 are going to Jerry Macguire the NCAA by holding up a fish in a plastic bag and ask “Who’s coming with me?”
/Hopefully not Renee Zellwegger.
November 24th, 2010 at 11:59 AM
wow, missed this, so I hope I don’t duckworth.
what do you expect him to say? his job is to make the most money for Ohio State, and the present system looks like it does that.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Because in bball a team can get hot and have 1-2 players. That’s not the case in CFB. You can’t compare two completely different sports to make your argument. It doesn’t hold up.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Which leads into a great question. After letting in the conference winners, how are the at large teams selected under this perfect utopia that a playoff would create? I’d love to hear the answers.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
As do I, but I realize it’s probably not going away. Ultimately, I’d like to see the formation of 4-6 super conferences resulting in each having a championship game which would be the de facto opening round of the tournament.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
All of that.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
Oh, I dunno… maybe it’s the largest gambling event in the country?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
and people watch wednesday night MACtion even tho those teams don’t have a shot at the NC.
believe it or not, people like to watch football. regardless of the stakes.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
This. I don’t like CBB, but I like the tournament and I will be gambling on it in Vegas.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Then I think we’re alright on having a Boise-Kent State matchup in the first round.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Obviously not realistic but in theory couldn’t a b-ball team go 3-30(or whatever) and make the NCAA tourney by just winning their conference tourney? That doesn’t seem silly?
Cue TBL telling me to get a clue.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
That can definitely happen. There have been teams with losing records in the tournament.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:04 PM
So according Geoff’s plan: the 11 auto bids* and 5 at larges^
we would have as of today in a playoff
1.Oregon*
2.Boise*
3.TCU*
4.Auburn*
5.Wisconsin*
6.Oklahoma St*
7.Va Tech*
8.Pitt*
9.LSU^
10.Stanford^
11.Ohio St^
12.Mich St^
13.Bama^
14.UCF*
15.UNI*
16.FIU*
November 24th, 2010 at 12:05 PM
I don’t think polls are the devil. I think polls that form their opinions prior to the start of the season, leading one team to be ranked ahead of another purely because of where it started, are the devil. And when those polls help determine who gets what spot in the BCS system, it’s made doubly worse.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:05 PM
He’ll call you an uninformed idiot, actually.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:05 PM
yes. Oakland made it a few years ago with a losing record and promptly got housed by UNC.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:05 PM
no.
i think we’re alright keeping the bowl system and the awesome THIRTY EXTRA GAMES smashed into a 3 week period.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:06 PM
actually Arkansas beat them in Baton Rouge that year.
it’s this year that LSeaU will lose in Little Rock.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Ideally it would be done by committee. I don’t like the NCAA BB committee as the conflict of interest is huge, I still don’t understand how they get away with it. So I’d like to see a combination of media people (Mandel, FOwler, Barnhart–guys that know college football) and former coaches and administrators maybe. And force these guys to make their arguments public, though I don’t think that would be necessary.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
what’s made doubly worse is a couple dudes from virginia telling a bunch of southerners and midwesterners what’s wrong with the sport they’ve been in love with since they were born.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Oregon-FIU, Boise-Northern Illinois, TCU-UCF, Auburn-Alabama (zoinks), Wisoncsin-Michigan State, Oklahoma State-Ohio State, Virginia Tech-Stanford, Pitt-LSU.
For the most part, that doesn’t look that bad, does it? I think we could try to create some rule to avoid so many intra-conference matchups in the first round. If FCS can do it, then surely FBS can manage it in the same manner.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Then I suggest you tell us how your at-large bids are selected.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Touche.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Alright, well that may have been the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard on here. Congrats for that strong logic.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
That’s right. My bad. It was an odd numbered year. And fuck no.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
The outrage that would ensue would be fun to watch with that. Committees will always have COI.
You realize no one watches the FCS games, right?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
I think Dr. Tom has it right. By committee. That’s how other NCAA sports do it, including FCS for its 16-team playoff.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Pretty sure someone mentioned yesterday that not every FCS conference winner automatically goes to the playoffs.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
no, the dumbest thing ive heard on here is that a team like troy or kent state deserves a fucking shot.
that’s absolutely preposterous.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
Dumber than putting the Sun Belt champ on the same level as the SEC/Big 10 champ? I’m not so sure about that. People trying to make college just the NFL need to stop. It isn’t the same game.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
Husker. That is a moot point. A college football playoff at the big boy level, no matter how badly organized or unfair, would probably get crazy eyes.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
So make it even more subjective than it already is? Do people forget the “human” polls are just a part of the BCS equation that everyone rails against?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
I was talking about avoiding first round intra-conference matchups when I said that.
Also, for anyone who has watched the FCS playoffs, you would know they are exciting as hell and the idea of having that excitement multiplied by many factors of 10 at the FBS level would be incredible – of course, it will never happen.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
I don’t think it would be that bad. You might have an angry team or two, but ultimately I think they would get more right than wrong.
The committee that does the basketball tourney is terrible though. Too much scrutiny is given to bubble teams and not the way the teams are seeded and organized. They do a terrible job in this aspect.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Aren’t most college Presidents jerk-offs? But he might be right about Boise State and TCU.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
I would hate having a committee do it. They need to go back to the BCS rankings where SOS played a bigger role and when beating a team in the top-10 added to your BCS score. Then have the top-8 teams play, no matter what conference they are in. Of course that will never happen.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Sounds like the the Harris Poll, the Coaches Poll, but no computers.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Unless you’re playing 100% balanced schedules where everybody plays everybody, then it’s all subjective. But I’d rather have human subjectivity than arbitrary computer polls.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
I disagree. The 65th (now, what, 69th) teams bitch like crazy in CBB. Imagine team No. 17 in CFB.
Jersey: Of course people would watch it, but don’t site the greatness of the FCS playoffs when no one cares about them.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
silly Jersey.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
I don’t agree with your premise but I love the execution here TBL. Bravo.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Sounds like the BCS.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Claiming that just because you’re from the midwest/south that you somehow appreciate football more/love football more/are more worthy of football is moronic. Forgive me for wanting to see the NCAA have a more equitable system. I guess I forgot we were talking about the BCS here. I would hate for the government to waste its time on this but at the same time, it would be nice to have anti-trust violations rung up for that sham of an enterprise.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Yup. You mean to tell me you would want Pat Forde, the Mizzou homer, voting on who gets in? Remember, all of the writers went to school first, and whether they admit or not, they are biased to some degree. We all are. There is no perfect system, but I would not want a committee deciding anything.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:16 PM
I’m defending my Preseason Championship pick til the very end.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:16 PM
Empirically based analysis tends to provide more gravity and accuracy than qualitative.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
He knows what he’s doing. This debate gets people excited. He spouts his talking points, gets refuted and then says the same talking points again. I think we all know why he does this, but I like talking about CFB so I am more than a willing participant.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
We agree with you, there’s no need for forgiveness. Instead, there’s need for legwork to determine how to execute a playoff so that it doesn’t use the same subjective methods of selection as the BCS.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Is it equal to reward team to spend no money and get the benefits of those that do?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
These threads always remind me that there ain’t no provincial, self-interested fans like CFB fans.
In other news, if my memory is correct, my buddy in high school boned Gee’s daughter.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
The NCAA uses RPI in selecting March Madness. No reason they couldn’t use a similar method here.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:19 PM
There’s that word again.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
But that will happen regardless of the process. If humans leave them out they point to the computers and if computers leave them out they curse technology.
I don’t think the committee is all that big nor would it be inclusive. I think a select few who then make their views public would be best. I would trust guys like Fowler, Barnhart, Mandel, etc.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Pat Forde on Twitter. Which TBL just retweeted.
I agree with that, except for the part about due respect to E Gordon Gee.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Looks like a lot of spittle has been flying through the air in this thread.
I’m not even sure the word ‘logic’ can be used in association with either side of the arguments for and against a playoff. I’m in jpq territory now where I just don’t give a shit anymore.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
Better to leave out the 17th team than the 3rd, or with a plus+1, the 5th.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
I can agree with that.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Well that came out wrong.
“Is it equal to reward teams that don’t spend money yet get the benefits of those that do?”
November 24th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Which is part of the very subjective “formula” they use. The top 65 in RPI do not just make it in
November 24th, 2010 at 12:22 PM
You know what’s stupid? Assuming that a playoff system means that small schools would automatically get as much money as the big schools out of the “playoff pot”.
All of you guys arguing “MONEY!! Small schools don’t support anything!!” — well, why do you assume they have to split money with their opponents? Like the AQ schools wouldn’t be able to control the purse strings still?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
I’m a lot more impressed by schools without the massive endowments that succeed than the ones that have ‘em.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
lol.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Nor are they seeded as such which is really why I think a committee would be needed. Not for selection necessarily, but for seeding.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
These threads always remind me that there ain’t no provincial, self-interested fans like CFB fans.
Like Yankees fans but without New York.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Because they do now.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Better to leave out the 17th team than the 3rd, or with a plus+1, the 5th
Eight is a fair number. Ten is also a fair number.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
I will agree with you there, but the selection methodology is still a gigantic sticking point.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Huh? What? Fuck you. Pujols WILL be ours!
November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
how many years have there been 16 legitimate NC contenders?
hell, how many years have there been FOUR legitimate NC contenders?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
Here’s the thing that TBL doesn’t understand. We all want a system where the best team plays for the title, but there are too many factors in place to get a “fair and equitable” system. The Wetzel plan is nice in theory (fair may be a better word) but it gives no incentives for smaller schools to invest. They can hope to own their crappy leagues and get a piece of the pit without putting any money into the pie. If the Wetzel plan were in place, what would stop ND from joining some shitty league (or some other team) just to get into the playoff every year? The bowls will NEVER go away. They mean too much to too many people. TBL may not like that, but that’s the way it is. So any system that creates an environment where the bowls will become extinct is simply not feasible.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
No one is arguing “THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAYOFF SO BOISE CAN GET ITS FAIR SHARE OF MONEY!!”
Yet the arguments around here always seem to assume someone actually says this.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:25 PM
And no one argues against a +1. I’ve never seen that happen in any of these threads. Ever.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
elitist
November 24th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
and I commend you for it. I remember saying you were a fool for making that pick. and it would have been a good one until this saturday.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Which schools do this when going up against big money schools? If Boise spent what they spend within the SEC, they’d be Vandy, but with dumber players.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Bada-bing. I’ve been trying to formulate an strong answer to this whole money thing and you hit the nail on the head in far fewer words that I would have employed.
I want all teams to have a, again, ostensible chance of making the title game. This doesn’t mean that some schools will continue to dominate the purse strings of the whole enterprise, especially given the fact that I would want the higher seed to host the whole way before the final at a neutral site.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Who cares? Troy plays Alabama, Alabama gets most of the money, Troy gets their shot.
No one is arguing Troy should be hosting the game. No one is arguing Troy should be getting the same amount of money. No one is arguing the TV money has to be split evenly.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
ha!
November 24th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
realist.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
I just want a playoff so the CSU Rams can finally experience NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GLORY.
/shoots up another speedball into face
November 24th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
take your logic and sense and get the hell off my lawn, Sportsdork.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
I would applaud it. I’d also applaud a playoff. Both would be improvements.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Correction.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Troy gets a cool million+ for that game, no? If it is a regular season game anyway.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
Its not really about this but about the trial a team has to go thru to truly deserve the title. How many times has the 16th place team been able to win a title? Not many. But how many times could the 16th place team beat the #1 team? Quite a few I would think.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
here’s the point yall are missing.
WHY DOES THE SYSTEM HAVE TO BE IMPROVED?!?!?!?!
November 24th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
I’m far from a Buckeye fan, but no way would Boise or TCU beat them.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:29 PM
We all want a system where the best team plays for the title,
You think that a 16 team single elmination playoff would actually create a situation where the “best” team plays for a title?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Seeing as Boise isn’t in the SEC, that’s entirely specious. If my aunt had a dick I’d call her my uncle.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
see, that touches on something else…the regular season being the playoff.
why is that team ranked 16? probably because they lost somewhere earlier down the line. you go to a playoff, the regular season loses it’s meaning.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:31 PM
What is your logic? You never make a point yourself. You point someone to someone else’s argument or tout the Wetzel plan like he’s some kind of god who quotes the Bible. If you refuse to admit that the bowls are here to stay, and that a 16-team playoff would end the bowls, there is nothing anyone can do for you. As someone said, drastic change never occurs. It’s gradual. A plus-one is what you should be arguing for, as that is the first step towards a playoff. What you are arguing for is simply unrealistic. Do you not understand that?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
So all sports should abandon the playoffs and just hand the title to the team with the best record. Brilliant.
/sarcasm
November 24th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Save this for when we all have to complain about MLB expanding the playoffs, please. Football is a sample size of 1 sport.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Not best. Just most deserving.
But it’s not because teams don’t play the same schedules. Not even close.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
but it gives no incentives for smaller schools to invest. They can hope to own their crappy leagues and get a piece of the pit without putting any money into the pie.
Given an opportunity to advance to a more prestigious conference, what college team has not taken that opportunity in the past 20 years? UNT rejected the WAC yesterday, but not because they are content with the Sun Belt, but because the WAC is circling the drain and may soon be close to relevance as the Southwest Conference.
People here want fairness and parity? Redraw the conferences based on geography and let the NCAA do centralized scheduling. The rest of this is just academic masturbation.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Because what else is going to generate pageviews at this time of year?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
WHY DOES THE SYSTEM HAVE TO BE IMPROVED?!?!?!?!
Because it sucks. But it’s like what Winston Churchill said about democracy: It’s the worst form of government there is, except for all those that came before it.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
It doesn’t, but I’m not arguing for a 16-team playoff. A plus one (or maybe a 6-team playoff with a bye for the top 2) still creates an environment where the regular season is of the utmost importance. A 16-team playoff does take away from the regular season. That is undeniable, is it not?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
sure it is…sometimes, EVEN IN A PLAYOFF, you get an easier draw than someone else.
listen, if there were a playoff, i still wouldn’t be pissed as shit about losting to wisconsin. id just move on and say we’ll get them another day. every game means something in CFB now…with a playoff, it wouldn’t.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
yup. even w/ a “plus 1″ this year … let’s say Bama loses, but Oregon wins out.
Who is the 4th team?
Oregon, TCU, Boise … and then you’ve got 5 teams clamoring for the last spot.
w the 16 team playoff, yes, there will probably be 10 teams for 5 ‘at-large’ spots … and you can tell those 2/3 loss teams: “hey guys, you didn’t handle your business in the regular season.”
and as i’ve been saying for 2 yrs now, the regular season will mean MORE w/ a playoff (Andy Staples wrote this for SI recently)
November 24th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
I disagree. I think there are games that would have a little less meaning with a playoff, but ultimately there are more games that are meaningful if that makes sense.
Take Ohio St and Iowa last week. That was a big game for sure, but with a playoff where both teams still have a shot at a title with the loser likely completely left out? HUGE.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Except we have an oligarchy right now, not a democracy. Or even a democratic republic. We’re not close.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:35 PM
One of my favorite Gordon Gee stories has to do with him getting in trouble at Vandy because his then-wife was burning bowls in the Chancellor’s office. Or maybe official residence, can’t remember.
One thing is for sure: he was wearing a bow tie at the time.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:36 PM
So confused…
November 24th, 2010 at 12:37 PM
As the playoff grows, so do the complaints. The grow exponentially.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Except we have an oligarchy right now, not a democracy. Or even a democratic republic. We’re not close.
I wasn’t comparing it to democracy. Rather I was reflecting on the thematic notion of what he said.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
with the BCS that’s in place, you can tell even more schools that lost in the regular season “you didn’t handle your business.”
November 24th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Well then, yes, good thematic analogy.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
+1
November 24th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Any system that destroys the bowls will not happen. End.Of.Story.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
My parents go to their town hall meetings and vote.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
it was already huge without that artificial bullshit.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Eight is a fair number. Ten is also a fair number.
you and your baseball.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
You think that a 16 team single elmination playoff would actually create a situation where the “best” team plays for a title?
So all sports should abandon the playoffs and just hand the title to the team with the best record. Brilliant.
/sarcasm
I wasn’t saying that at all (though as sportsdork notes under you, I sorta do think baseball should), but the fact that most sports have a playoff means you think college football should gives credence to the provincial and loyal college football fans who accuse TBL of wanting to make their sport like the sports he likes.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Can anyone explain how a playoff diminishes the value of the regular season?
I just cannot understand the logic behind that statement?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Walking away.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Because people want an NFL-lite. They don’t realize that the only thing the two have in common is that they play with a football. Everything else is so different.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Meh.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Kansas State lost last night in BBALL and no one cared. They know they can lose several games. It’s the same way in football. UGA went 12-1 two years and never played for a title because other teams went 12-0. Each loss means so much, that when more teams get a shot at the title, it’s inevitable that each loss will not be as crushing. I don’t think it kills the regular season at all, but to argue that it doesn’t affect it is silly.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
My parents go to their town hall meetings and vote.
I find your parents adorable.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
maybe it was meh for you, but it wasn’t for iowa fans who went all out or the osu fans who made the trip en masse last saturday.
i guess they didn’t get the message that since their teams couldn’t win an NC they might as well pack it up for the year.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
With a playoff I believe the Iron Bowl tomorrow is essentially meaningless, right?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
That’s not what I want. I want NCAA football to be like every other NCAA sports in the sense that every team entering the season technically has a chance to play for the title. That’s what I want.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Wait, there’s a college basketball regular season?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Because people want an NFL-lite. They don’t realize that the only thing the two have in common is that they play with a football. Everything else is so different.
I actually want a CFL-lite.
/I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
I dunno, but for an elite team like Ohio St., EVERY game is a now potential roadblock to a national championship.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Friday, my apologies.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
why do you want that? seriously. why do you want a team like north texas, who doesn’t give a shit about football, to have a chance to play for the NC?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Wait, there’s a college basketball regular season?
Yes, there’s a lot of poor shot selection, but not as much Gus Johnson to get excited about it.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
With a playoff I believe the Iron Bowl tomorrow is essentially meaningless, right?
Nooooo.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Not at all. The argument that a playoff kills the regular season is simply not true. However, it certainly affects it. Aub and Bama will never want to lose to one another. Ever.
People always site the need for a playoff. They don’t site it because they love the fucking lacrosse playoffs. They do it because they like the NFL playoffs (because surely they wouldn’t be stupid enough to compare CFB to CBB). Yet the NFL and College Football are totally different. Comparing the two is pointless.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
why do you want that? seriously. why do you want a team like north texas, who doesn’t give a shit about football, to have a chance to play for the NC
This assumes North Texas will ever actually be good again.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
The irony in this scenario is that many of the big schools are killed by the media and fans each year for scheduling these types of teams sometimes to the detriment of their ranking for a championship. But now, they’d have to play these same type of teams on their way to a championship in a playoff. Also in regards to the 16 team type championship, the NCAA can look within it’s own history in CBB to know that the 16 game system is as flawed if not more than the BCS. There were great Maryland Terp teams in the 70′s that never made it to the tournament because only the team that won the ACC and other tournaments made it to the NCAA’s.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Who gives a fuck what the president of Ohio State thinks?
November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
But here’s the kicker. Once you lose, the rest of your games are now meaningless (according to this logic). With a playoff, you’re still in it even though you had a bad week and NOW every game becomes even more important and meaningful. And stop comparing football to basketball. Apples and oranges.
Iowa’s stupid.
Not at all, but you’d have more non-Iowa, non-OSU, non-B10 fans interested because that game would have national impact. Nebraska vs. A&M this weekend is the same way.
Now tell me this, how would a playoff negatively impact the meaning of OSU-Iowa? It absolutely would not. It would only enhance it. I don’t understand how this doesn’t make sense.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
bullshit it isn’t.
im STILL pissed about losing to wisconsin. it’ll probably be OSU’s only loss, but with a playoff, we (read: OSU fans) could’ve just shrugged it off knowing there’s a playoff and that game was a blip, not a catastrophe.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Yet the NFL and College Football are totally different.
In one there aren’t artificial controls keeping the players from the revenue created from their labor. In the other there isn’t a playoff system.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
People always site the need for a playoff. They don’t site it because they love the fucking lacrosse playoffs. They do it because they like the NFL playoffs (because surely they wouldn’t be stupid enough to compare CFB to CBB). Yet the NFL and College Football are totally different. Comparing the two is pointless.
I can’t speak for all playoff adherents, but for me, the desire is a conceptual one based on access for all programs and not a desire to emulate any other playoff. Afterall the college baseball playoff is nothing like the MLB playoffs. But that’s fine.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
I reject the premise that North Texas doesn’t care about football. You’re obviously comparing the resources of a school like Ohio State to North Texas’.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Well, no one, really. But seriously, his name. C’mon.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Which would then make the Iowa game that much more meaningful! You’re finally getting it.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
But here is where the spending argument comes in. Teams could invest big time and create access, yet they choose not to. They don’t need a playoff to decide they want to have a solid football program. They should decide that without one.
Spencer: I totally agree about being pissed at losing, but if OSU was 11-0 and Michigan was 7-4, OSU isn’t going to take that game off because they are assured a spot. Now, Wisconsin being 11-0 and facing a crappy N’western team may be different, but if the game is a massive rival, the two teams will never want to lose in my opinion.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
college football isn’t about what the entire country thinks, it’s core is about beating your rivals. the rest (the bowl games, the conference championships, etc.) is the icing.
and i really don’t see how the atmosphere last weekend could’ve been enhanced. i don’t think iowa fans wanted to beat OSU any less because they already had a few losses.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
More conferences in basketball than football.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
A playoff also shifts the meaningful games for the beginning of the season when everyone apparently has a chance to the end when everyone would be fighting for their playoff lives or for a good seed. How many games this weekend are really that meaningful in the grand scheme of things? How many would be meaningful with an 8 or 12 team playoff? Many, many more.
Again, my argument is that you’d have games lose a little meaning (like Aub-Bama) in favor of having a lot more games overall that have meaning.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
i went to north texas and i can confirm with 100% honesty and accuracy that nobody there, in the school or student body, gives one single, solitary fuck about UNT football.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
So we agree. A playoff would not diminish these games at all.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
i agree with the part about the rivals, of course.
but why should a wisky team that loses to NW be given a second chance? they knew going in that it takes a perfect (or damn near close) record to be in the NC game, and they still lost. no excuses.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Alright, well it’s hard to care when North Texas has nothing to play for. Suddenly, in a playoff system, winning the Sun Belt gives them a chance to play for something.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
If you’re talking just about the title game, there are a few, but CFB is more than just about the title games.
Bedlam
Civil War
Clean, Old Fashion Hate
FSU-FLA
MICH-OSU
MSU-PSU
NEB-CO
KU-MIZZ
Aub-ALA
ARK-LSU
Ole Miss-MSU
USC-ND
Mary-NC STate
and that’s just off the top of my head.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
NOBODY’S SAYING IT WOULD!!! a playoff would diminish the effect of the aforementioned wisky/NW type games.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
In one there aren’t artificial controls keeping the players from the revenue created from their labor. In the other there isn’t a playoff system.
If there’s no money to prep a field in December for playoffs and help the band and students travel to playoff games, or even keep the dorm lights on, then there’s no money to pay the players. Jersey sales be damned.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
I agree with this…but pro-playoff people don’t.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
So we agree. A playoff would not diminish these games at all.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:58 PM
winning the sunbelt souldn’t get them anything except a crappy bowl bid. and they already are playing for something: pride and a conference championship. sunbelt wouldn’t even be the best conference in 1aa.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
KU-MIZZ
Only time fetch deigns to care about a popular sporting event.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
what about when UNT had back-to-back top rushers in all NCAA (one of which, patrick cobbs, is on the dolphins now) and were fighting for the sun belt championship? why was the stadium barely half filled then? esp when it’s a 35 minute drive from dallas or fort worth?
they had something to play for then and still nobody gave a shit.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Because Wisky wouldn’t try as hard? I like using your arguments against you.
November 24th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
But here is where the spending argument comes in. Teams could invest big time and create access, yet they choose not to. They don’t need a playoff to decide they want to have a solid football program. They should decide that without one.
And yet some of these programs succeed anyway. And good for them for doing so. Let them test their mettle with the big boys. If they can’t stand up to the large well funded programs, this will become readily apparent fairly quickly.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
I do agree with this actually but the NCAA allowed it so it has to deal with it. Preferably we could throw them back into FCS for football but that will never happen either.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
what about when UNT had back-to-back top rushers in all NCAA (one of which, patrick cobbs, is on the dolphins now) and were fighting for the sun belt championship? why was the stadium barely half filled then? esp when it’s a 35 minute drive from dallas or fort worth?
they had something to play for then and still nobody gave a shit.
You have a shittastic stadium.
Still, the point does remain: Stanford is mindblowingly good this year and isn’t packing the house.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
i fail to see your point.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Do you not think a playoff would knock the regular season down a bit? If so, that is something that a lot of very powerful people won’t stand for. Again, I’d love a 6-8 team playoff, but going for 16 is simply a pipe dream at this stage. For those who don’t get that, I guess there isn’t anything anyone can do for them.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Still, the point does remain: Stanford is mindblowingly good this year and isn’t packing the house.
Russian novels are large and engaging.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
I think it would diminish the early games a bit because the importance is lessened. But the last two to three weeks with teams fighting for their playoff lives would be glorious. NU vs. A&M should have had more meaning last week than it did. Like Pelini said, “It’s irrelevant.” And that’s the sad truth.
The best a one-loss Nebraska team could hope for at that point was winning the conference and go to a BCS Bowl. Losing to A&M changed nothing. Beating A&M wouldn’t have changed anything either. The game was irrelevant much like so many others this late in the season.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Russian novels are large and engaging.
Spoiler Alert: the cherry orchard is St. Petersburg.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
And yes I know it’s a play and not a novel.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
LOL
sounds like the words of a middle manager somewhere in middle america. CHANGE. WILL. NOT. HAPPEN.
November 24th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
This Twitter exchange killed me
TBL (to Andy Staples): but Andy, that bowl game means something! It means a lot to the players & fans & boosters! (heavy sarcasm added)
Stewart Mandel: have you ever attended a bowl game? A Rose Bowl? There’s a reason 40,000 Wisconsin fans will fly out there if they make it.
TBL: no. never attended a Rose Bowl
Pretty much sums up this whole position…here TBL, lemme find $5
November 24th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
TBL is so clueless about college football it’s not even funny. Two huge things he has never said boo about.
- Stop saying well the FCS does it! Guess what, not every conference has an automatic qualifier there. Only 10 of the 15 conferences get auto bids. But the FBS should? Why? If Troy, Northern Illinois, etc are good enough to make a playoff why can’t they be in the top 16? why do they need an auto spot? Yes, it will be equitable because those teams DO have a shot prior to the season without an AQ. Win all your games and you’ll be in the top 16 provided you play and beat someone. 10 years ago no one would have said Boise-TCU would be a viable national title game. Now it is.
- You do realize with a playoff no BCS team will have any incentive to play another BCS school or big time program. Right? Because why would Iowa risk another loss playing at Arizona, or LSU playing North Carolina when that second loss (provided they lose one in conference) will knock them out of the playoff? You’ll get LESS OOC matchups. LSU, Iowa, Nebraska will just schedule more of the McNeese States and Podunk Universities to get guaranteed home dates and revenue and not risk losing.
-Get back to me on playoffs being equitable when 8-8 Kansas City makes the playoffs and the 11-5 Jets get left out. Would love to hear the rebuttle on that. I’m sure you’ll be willing to live with that and won’t say anything.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
yes, fans attending a Rose Bowl is completely germane to the playoff discussion. let’s not have a playoff because fans like the Rose Bowl.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:02 PM
That doesn’t change the fact that the bowls are paramount and won’t be disbanded. How do you not get this?
November 24th, 2010 at 2:06 PM
uh, that’s already happening.
for 2 years now.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4239858&sportCat=ncf
November 24th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Boise-UGA
Mich-ALA
NEB-WASH
TENN-OSU
Tex-USC
just off of the top of my head.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
So do you ever admit that you might be wrong? Because I would like to know if this blog is just going to pretend that everything you say is gospel. Try going to the Holiday Bowl which isn’t even a BCS bowl and tell me it doesn’t mean anything to anyone. Oh, that’s right. You’ve never been right?
Ugh.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:09 PM
at 11-5, that won’t happen. but if the Jets finish 9-7, yes, they could miss the playoffs. i think it could happen at 10-6, too. sucks for them. oh well. they play in a loaded division. can’t wait for Belichick & Brady to leave.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:09 PM
you read the link?
November 24th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Because I would like to know if this blog is just going to pretend that everything you say is gospel.
I sort of expect the opinions of the proprietor of the site to be the site’s opinions. But that’s just me.
/and the comments are for mocking those opinions.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
If I didn’t know any better (and I don’t), I would say that TBL is trying to bait someone into either quitting this site or force themselves to get banned.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
I read it when it was posted at the beginning of the year. He factors in only ranked teams, which is bogus as most schedules are made 4 years in advance. When games are scheduled is what he should look at.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
husker- get out of here with your facts
LSU-West Virginia
LSU- Carolina
LSU-VT
VT-Boise
Alabama-Penn State
USc-Nebraska
USC- Ohio state
Ohio state- Miami
Ohio state- Texas
Oregon -Tennessee
Oregon-Michigan
Florida- Florida State
Should I keep going or no? Most of those matchups will be done with a playoff and then you’ll just start complaining that “no one plays anyone”. Have fun watching Oregon- San jose state and Ohio State- Eastern Michigan when the playoff comes around.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
you’re missing the point, again, that has been made 386 times.
Holiday Bowl, etc, still can and will exist with a 16-team playoff.
and they’ll mean the same then as they do now.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Maybe truth to that, but some people come here for the comments, not the posts.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:14 PM
one good OCC game a week. GREAT! how many teams are in CFB again?
with a 16-team playoff, the sked would probably get cut by a game or 2, so we won’t be suck with so many crappy pay-to-play games, anyway.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:15 PM
That says ranked teams. How the hell is someone supposed to know if a team will be ranked two years or more in advance? Come on. This is insane.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:15 PM
No, it can’t. If you take 16 of the top 20 teams out of the bowls, every bowl will suffer. Nebraska-AZ won’t be at the Holiday bowl. It’ll be Kansas State-Oregon State. Every bowl will lose slots, thus making them take crappier teams, thus lowering there bowl payout, thus creating a crappy bowl game. It will lead to bowls breaking up and that is something that the president’s won’t allow.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:15 PM
nah. just trying to get a handful of guys to see the light. eventually, it’ll sink it.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
People have been saying that about you for a while, dude. It cuts both ways.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
November 24th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
no it won’t. The “light” is your opinion/feelings on the subject.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:19 PM
again, you’re not paying close enough attention.
the BCS is 10 games. just a guess, but 99% of the time those 10 BCS teams will be in the 16-team playoff. then, you’ve got 3 teams from the lower conferences than never make the BCS.
So 13 of 16 are taken care of.
so you’re only pulling 3 games from the rest of the ‘bowl’ games.
Holiday bowl can still get a No. 3 in the Pac-10 vs. BYU or Utah or whatever.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
we see the light. we actually watch the sport.
November 24th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
No. 3 Pac 10 and “BYU or Utah or whatever” would be a big hit when they were getting the 3rd B12 school.
November 24th, 2010 at 8:12 PM
OSU’s schedule is a complete and utter joke. When OSU drops a pair and schedules an OOC game (A) outside Ohio and (B) outside the eastern time zone, then we can talk about OSU as a national contender instead of its current status of pretender.