Cam Newton Controversy: What Do We Know? What Do We Need to Know? Where Do We Go From Here?
What do we know? The NCAA has been investigating a claim that Kenny Rogers, purportedly acting on behalf of Cam Newton, offered him to Mississippi State for $180,000. Rogers claimed to former MSU quarterback John Bond he had offers for $200,000 from other schools. Bond forwarded the info to the MSU athletic department. The Bulldogs declined the offer. Cam Newton’s father chose Auburn.
The NCAA requested Cam Newton’s father Cecil’s financial records and those of his church. Rogers is under a separate investigation by the NFLPA for serving as a runner and posing as an NFLPA employee. Cam Newton is eligible to play for Auburn, right now.
What do we suspect? The ESPN article hints Cecil Newton and his church received a suspicious influx of funds. Newton chose Auburn last December. Cecil Newton’s church, which had been facing a demolition order for building code violations, began renovations a short time later. Cecil told the city council in September 2009 the renovations would be carried out “within six months.” However, notably, he also claimed the church had “money in hand to proceed with the work.”
What do we not know? We have some suspicious activity and a faint whiff of perfume, but no damning lipstick stain. There’s no evidence here Auburn paid Newton or acted inappropriately. There’s no evidence Newton has threatened his eligibility. Even if Auburn did pay Newton, the NCAA has to prove it. Unless a paper trail emerges or someone involved becomes feels spurned, that will be difficult.
Why did this come out? Some in the Auburn camp are convinced this was Urban Meyer’s doing. Meyer, according to them, urged Mullen and Bond to release the story to the media. Mississippi State’s coach Dan Mullen is Meyer’s protege. Meyer also has been accused of having a close working relationship with Pete Thamel. His motivations could have been catty and ego-driven. He also could have been sincere. This information would have come out. It makes sense, from Mississippi State’s perspective, to be proactive and disavow involvement.
Where do we go from here? Auburn will play the us against the world card. Cam Newton will play. Even if something shady did go down, sitting him has no expected utility. Doing so would be an admission of guilt. Getting credit for the remaining wins if a penalty does go down isn’t worth scuttling a national title shot and the checks that will come with it. Auburn fans will hold their breath through whenever the statute of limitations runs out.
The dark cloud over Newton should complicate his Heisman candidacy. He’s obviously been the most outstanding player, but sanctimonious voters won’t want another Reggie Bush type scandal. Nothing has been proven yet, but this isn’t a law court. Though, Heisman voters would look silly and retrospect if he’s cleared.
We should also wonder how common payment is at major programs. It would make tremendous sense for Auburn to pay $200,000 for Newton, especially if it was low risk. They will make millions from his presence, even if the season is subsequently vacated. The individual trying to profit is always the scapegoat, never the entrenched system raking in millions from this “amateur sport.”
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November 5th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
If Cam needed money, he could’ve entered the NFL draft this year.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Needs more Michigan.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
So if he’s benched the stands will be empty? Game canceled?
I dont think the UFL has any age restrictions.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
I almost forgot–fuck Wetzel. Sanctimonious asshole.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Hey, logic need not apply. Go somewhere else with that crap.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Nice summation Duffy.
Word from AU is that Chizik is pissed off at media members who have jumped to conclusions about Cam. Meanwhile, outlets close to AU have begun the Cam as victim pieces. I believe that’s a free article on Scout.
Speaking of Heisman voters who stand to have egg on their face – this guy.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
all the more reason to put robert griffin near the top.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
I wonder how many thousands Vince Young made while he was at Texas.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Exactly. I’m pretty sure Auburn games sold out last year before Newton, and they’ll sell out next year when he’s gone.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Wasn’t there initial problems with him going to Florida? So wouldn’t they have coughed up the cash too? Re-imbursement? How does that work when you play for a player then have to kick him off your program? The other shady school wire you a bridge loan?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
200,000, even kickers makes more than that. He should of held out for more money.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
So they allegedly paid him… why?
If it’s for “glory” does it make it any better or worse?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
yes the individual who is breaking NCAA rules, we should feel so sorry for the poor souls who are forced to play football
November 5th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
VY the student-athlete received the maximum allowed by the NCAA. Big XII programs (besides the Land Thieves in Norman) run clean programs. That’s why no schools here touched him even though he won a juco championship in Texas.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
LOVE the SEC for stuff like this.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
did you have to soil a good post with a lazy comment? -1, duffy.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Thankfully, that game ball Meyer gave the reporter throws journalists off his trail.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Killa Cam. he is playing this weekend and will win me some money
November 5th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
I think all the other schools burn all traces that they all do the same and the coaches stand in front of the mirror practicing their “I’m disgusted” look for the media.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Thayer Evans at Fox wrote something nearly as foolish as Bianci
November 5th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Where was this level of understanding amid the laptop cracks? Guy was just trying to make a buck, no?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Cam Newton would have been drafted in the 2010 NFL Draft? Color me surprised.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
agreed, good info here until the “we need to pay players” angle, again
November 5th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Does it look weird that I’m making a wanking motion with both hands?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
If Cam goes to the NFL … wonder if all the boosters who are loving this season will close the checkbook next year. No top 5 team, no national acclaim, no Heisman front-runner …
November 5th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
*puts on tinfoil hat*
I completely believe this to be true.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Thats some impressive math by Wetzel. How many jersey sales does it take to get to millions?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
depends on how spread out they are.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
/theory’d
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
if you’re watching this video, not really
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siq68WMuUV4
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
boosters are always gonna be there…east dillon was 2-8 and it didnt stop buddy garrity
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
irish you have a book that lets you bet 1AA games?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Duffy, I assume when you wonder if “Auburn” paid him, you are actually referring to those with ties to the school and not the school itself?
/John Cooper’s Recruiting 101
//the church thing seems like the biggest question mark and should be easy to prove if, assumedly, it’s a charitable organization
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Hasn’t it also been touched up in the comments that college athletic departments use the football profits to fund the other sports? What I don’t like about the “greedy” argument is that it’s making it sound like Athletic Directors are pocketing all of this, doesn’t it just go back to the institution?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
College athletes getting paid. Yawn.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
wrote something nearly as foolish as Bianci
how so, after Reggie Bush bullshit why would someone vote for a player who might have it taken away later?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
+ a lot
November 5th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Considering Auburn rarely if ever has a top 5 team and Heisman front runner, I’d say very few.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
aside from being confused by the punctuation, why would Auburn boosters close their checkbooks? if they’re worried about an irrelevant team, they would open the checkbooks even more.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
If this is true then Meyer is stupid for doing it. If someone finds out he really did do it they are going to start looking for bad things he has done.
The thing I have not been able to figure out, and maybe Im just stupid and can not read properly, is did the coach know anything about this?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
im sure this was brought up, ad nausem, during the threads for whats his name from bama selling his jerseys
November 5th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
of course they will. but to what degree? Much easier to hit up the rich fat cats this year than last.
JMU comes to me with a 8-4 team seeking a handout … eh. 9-0, No. 1 ranked, star QB on the take? I’m much more likely to pitch in.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
People won’t abandon their religion (SEC FOOTBAW!!!) here in the southeast.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
@ark- eh, my bad. thought the GA was this weekend
November 5th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
Les Miles winning an SEC Title because wins got vacated in season would be so fitting for him.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
The NCAA “request” financial records from the church, correct? And the church is going to tell the NCAA to get fucked, right?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
hence the lazy comment reference in comment 16.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
This is exactly like the BCS argument. Let me know when you’re finished with your 5000 page thesis on how to make it work
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
the SEC has known about this since Jan (per ESPN) and investigating since July (per ESPN). wonder why nothing’s turned up?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
We were ranked in the top-5 in 2004, 2005 (I think), 2006, and now 2010. Don’t make me go back to the 80′s and 90′s.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Even the head coaches at small D-I programs make seven figures. Every single assistant coach makes six.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Seriously, that cannot be your argument.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
This essentially says you’re more inclined to give money to something illegal than a legitimate, charitable cause. C’mon now.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
This. Unless it’s public record, the NCAA has no chance of getting that info. The NCAA has no legal authority or subpeona power.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Wouldn’t this be really easy to investigate? Where did you get the money to rebuild this church? Prove it. And have you seen picture of the church yet?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
really, I think that will be the hardest part to prove. quite often, churches get “anonymous” donations. I don’t really know how all of that works with the IRS and the like, but if the church all of the sudden came up with $200,000 or whatever from an “anonymous” donor I don’t know what they can prove.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
At what point would a story be released in sports that would shock you? It would have to be a high profile (current) athlete murdering someone, right?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
According to the article he already gave them the info.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Aren’t non-profits’ financial records public?
November 5th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
JMU has a season tix waiting list with minimum donations in the thousands?
I could list 25 schools that could have losing seasons for 10 years and people would still donate (not USC). Players dont matter, shit wins barely matter, people show up because gameday is awesome, and they donate to get seats.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
cause it’s the SEC.
/i don’t know what the means
//miz is a redneck
November 5th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
i hear it looks like the Taj Mahal, but you can wear jorts
November 5th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Probably the #1 reason Iowa Athletics get a check from me every year. Second, would be the tax purposes. Third, I like philanthropy.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
that’s because you’re fairweather. most donators in the SEC donate every year. my wife and I do…to academics and athletics.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
you’re under the assumption that I think everyone else is “clean”
November 5th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
The hardcore booster will always be there.
The casual fan would’ve donated as soon as they beat Va Tech.
Chas Q. Ascotmonocle is the only one who waits for an undefeated season to be charitable.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!
Holy shit. If that’s the best “the shits not on our shoe defense” I’ve seen in sometime I don’t know what is. You do know that Cam was OFF the fucking team in 2009 right? We ain’t paying for him not to go to school at UF.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Well, this would say you’re full of shit. By facts are often ignored here in TBL land.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
By=but. **sigh**
November 5th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Wetzel put the “extra donations” into good perspective:
He’s worth millions and that’s before they’re done counting the receipts on all the No. 2 jerseys sold or add up the extra donations from old men who get loose with a checkbook when they see a young man such as Newton carry the ball.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
I have no idea. But if the financial records of all those ridiculous mega churches were public it just seems like I would have known.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Sorry, but MOST SEC schools aren’t like that. My father has boosted through thick and thin, as have I, to a MUCh less degree.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Not quite. No way they needed that much money to fix anything associated with a city code. You can still wear jorts though but judging from the church’s name I bet jorts are frowned upon in favor of mustard colored 5 button suits.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Yes, you can access non-profit financial records.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
200k is a shit ton.
November 5th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
The Holy Zion Center of Delivarance is an old industrial building. $200k, eh?
/money laundering assertion
November 5th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
i think boosters for big programs, or in auburns case, big conferences will always have a lot of booster $$$ coming in. it may go up during good seasons like this but i doubt after cam leaves they will be hurting
November 5th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
maybe cause there was nothing done that was wrong? I don’t know. if all one needs to do to bring forth an investigation is offer up recruits to schools for money, I’ll have Urban Meyer on my speed dial this spring. I’ll call him every effing day before signing day and tell hism that for $50,000 each, I’ll get him every major recruit they’ve offered a scholarship to. if one of those guys happens to sign with Florida, I’ll anonymously send my information to the Orlando Sentinel. boom. scandal at UF.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
No, I think they’re just as dirty as you do. But I’m still not willingly going to give money that I know for a fact will be used for an illegal purpose. I designate my money for equipment and/or facilities.
You basically said that you would willingly and knowingly contribute funds on the basis that they would be used to illegally pay a player as opposed to responding to a solicitation from your Alma Mater’s Foundation.
501.c.3 are I believe.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
You can’t really be this naive.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
No
November 5th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
More SEC fun – Auburn message boards alleging Rogers grew up in Tuscaloosa and John Bond lives there now. “Stinks of elephant” as they say. I’m not buying it. I prefer the insane Urban Meyer connections.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
I assume the “he” is Cecil Newton. It will still be hard to prove that a donation to the Church has direct ties to Auburn. I mean, Tebow’s dad was able to rake in a fortune from donors who were enamoured with this son’s football ability.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I saw all this on a Desperate Housewives episode one season.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I checked Guidestar, but the site doesn’t have any of the church’s 990′s posted.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Can’t wait to hear the response to this one…
November 5th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
If it involves an SEC tattle taler is gotta be Phil Fulmer.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
We’re discussing big money programs like Auburn.
Look at Michigan.
Rodriguez – $2.5 million
Assistants – $1.9 million
AD – $660,000
That’s $5 million (or one home game) going to pay about 10 peoples’ salaries.
More or less every AQ school has a head coach making seven-figures to coach an “amateur” sport.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Wow, SMU is paying June Jones $1.2 mill? That’s a lot of coin for them.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
When they don’t, such as when they’re trying to hide building their mansion with church funds, they lose their charitable status. Their followers tend not to care, which kills me.
/looks in the direction of Rev. Rod Parsley, his mansion, and The World Harvest Church in Columbus, OH
November 5th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
I gave him the link. We’re 3 minutes from a shift in argument.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
shit, that’s the name of the game at Arkansas. donate for the 8 years they are mediocre, in hopes that year 9 they are decent. first two years I donated after I graduated the Hogs were terrible.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
This is a well thought out thesis.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Churches are not considered the same as regular non profit. They are not required to disclose publicly any financial records unless they choose to do so willingly. It’s all part of separation of church and state.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Try 2.1 mil.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Fuck you.
/even if it is true
November 5th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
The increase from a good season is such a small % of the standard flow its ridiculous to attribute “millions” to a single player. TBL was posting links last night how CJ Spiller was worth 4 million to a 8 win Clemson team.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
At what point would a story be released in sports that would shock you? It would have to be a high profile (current) athlete murdering someone, right?
Interesting question — I would say these would be shocking sports related stories: Murder, same sex marriage\partnership for a pair of teammates, a athlete being charged with child molestation, a Ponzi-like financial scam where one athlete made a bunch of other athletes broke, an NFL player dying on the field, a sex change operation for an athlete of reasonable stature, NCAA agreeing to pay players, I think thats a good place to start.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
I was wrong. Only 1 minute from shift in argument. Shall I paste your original statement?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
That’s not what you said.
You were discussing “small D-I programs.”
November 5th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
lollercoaster.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
i think anthony morelli cost penn state about $4 million
November 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Fucking Death Penalty!!1112ohinh1!!1!
/not really.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
This
Following this
Does not compute
November 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
You spelled “escapegoat” wrong.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
The “boosters will always be there” argument misses the point. It’s a matter of degrees. And, it seems to me, that fans would get more excited about giving money when a program is competing for a national championship (both in terms of dollars and number of donors). So, while there will certainly always be money, there is likely to be more (and possibly substantially more) if you’re competing on a national stage. So, paying a player can pay off.
Also, the SEC is NOT an investigatory agency. That has been made clear in the stories. Hence, why nothing has come from them despite having this info for nearly a year.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
So the coaches are amateurs? I assume this means that all those Olympic coaches are working for free? Down with the US government, they use Olympic athletes!
Fuck Morelli Duder, I saw he went to AFL after getting cut by UFL.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Well shit
November 5th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Wow, SMU is paying June Jones $1.2 mill? That’s a lot of coin for them.
Try 2.1 mil.
Very little of it actually comes from the university. Most of his salary is donated.
Interesting sidenote, the university president down here made $2.7 million last year. I don’t know what deferred compensation is, but I wish I had a job that included it.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
he likes to push living legends out the door with his fat gut.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Exactly. If you use that logic, then AJ Green cost Georgia almost $9 million when he set foot on campus. It’s lazy logic like this that drives me freaking insane.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
I’m sure he’ll make a nice donation to the school via his NFL salary.
/what a trainwreck
November 5th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Knowing what I know about the NCAA, here’s what will happen: They’ll “investigate” this information for months and won’t come to a conclusion until after football season is over. Newton will get drafted and make millions of dollars. The NCAA will “punish” Auburn by taking away scholarship offers. Auburn will go back to being on the bottom half of the SEC. The people who actually committed the violations will keep their jobs and their money and will never be held accountable for their actions.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
wow
November 5th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
I was wrong. Only 1 minute from shift in argument. Shall I paste your original statement?
lollercoaster.
duffy just did a Christopher Reeve off his high horse
November 5th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
We have some suspicious activity and a faint whiff of perfume, but no damning lipstick stain.
So naughty…
November 5th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
what?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
So much of a coaches salary is usually from boosters or alumni and not the actual university?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
So much of a coaches salary is usually from boosters or alumni and not the actual university?
It depends on the university and the size of the salary.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
The very mention requires that I link this classic Onion article.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
anyone know what presidents make at other schools?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
I’m on board with the notion that the talking points of NCAA admins and big-time head coaches are incredibly hypocritical. Fuck them.
But I don’t think I agree with the other side of what TBL and Duffy push – that the players should be paid.
What I’d like to see — at least with public institutions — is some rules in place (lecture me if they do) that force Athletic Departments (if they can’t stay in the black) to reduce coaches salaries.
Tuition and tax dollars shouldn’t be paying coaches million dollar salaries, no matter how much spin Coach Calhoun wants to put on it. Fuck him too.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
So coaches aren’t a drain on the university because their salaries are mostly donated? But players are a drain on the university even though their scholarships are mostly donated?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
/prepares to learn a few things from people who know more about college sports than me
November 5th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
anyone know what presidents make at other schools?
University Presidents usually do pretty well, especially at schools with several campuses. Six figures is very common. But with other benefits, like university provided housing in some cases, and bonuses and things like that, salaries can be fairly low even while the paychecks are extremely high.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
I dont think that tax money goes into private universities.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
i hope ritty keeps commenting on this issue all weekend. best SEC thoughts on the topic, considering his history (he can get into it, i wont)
November 5th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
So coaches aren’t a drain on the university because their salaries are mostly donated?
Is anyone asserting this? I haven’t read all the comments, but my sense of coaches salaries is that most coaches were still paid directly by the university. Donated salaries is something that has become popular, but I’m not sure how widespread it is.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Quick, ignore the fact I was proven completely wrong!!! Let me change the subject!!!
November 5th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
November 5th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
sidebar: Auburn loses votes because of the fickle nature of the human polls, Auburn goes undefeated, agent reveals he never had contact with AU or Newton’s and was acting on his own behalf, Auburn is left out of the National Title game, Cam does not win Heisman, Oregon beats TCU 63-14 in National Title game, Auburn finishes No. 2 in the polls behind Oregon…boom, Plus One bitches.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
Wow, SMU is paying June Jones $1.2 mill? That’s a lot of coin for them.
Try 2.1 mil.
Very little of it actually comes from the university. Most of his salary is donated.
Interesting sidenote, the university president down here made $2.7 million last year. I don’t know what deferred compensation is, but I wish I had a job that included it.
and you wonder why Obama and his team of academic czars haven’t been able to fix the economy. They’ve been insulated in an over-paid industry, and have no clue as to the workings of real business, where you have to fight competition to earn revenue
/political talk as stupid as BCS/pay the athletes talk
November 5th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
1. That’s not really true, but I understand what you’re saying
2. You didn’t read this part of what I said?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
yes. the coaches’ salaries come from multiple pots of money, usually much less than half of which comes from the state funding that the university gets for operation. most of it comes from athletic department revenues, corporate sponsorships, media opportunities, and booster donations.
what? I’m confused by this. who said players were a drain on the university?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
/waves at Johnny Majors
November 5th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
I think there are too many complications with the schools paying players (as discussed by dozens of the commenters here) for it to actually work. What, though, if the NCAA simply removed some of the asinine restrictions on players earning any type of compensation from outside sources based on their on-field performance (like, say, NOT suspending someone for selling their jersey … or taking $1500 from an agent)?
It seems the practical concerns are diminished when you’re talking about outside sources
November 5th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Yeah. Most institutions don’t use tax dollars for more than a minimal amount of salary if at all.
For example Urban Meyer is paid 4 mil a year.
160,000 is from UFAA, which is a non-profit org that stands on its own.
Nike and other various sponsor kicks in about a mil.
Boosters the rest.
Trust me, you would have heard it a long time ago if a school was paying a coach anything over half a mil out of pocket.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Ha, ritty there is no way possible Auburn goes undefeated and isn’t #1. None.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:20 AM
That’s what made the d-bag’s attack on Jim Calhoun last year so stupid.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Trey, cool. Does anyone have all that shit in a web-accessible database?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
tOSU President E. Gordon Gee will make around $2m this year.
/as a living legend, he’s worth more
November 5th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
That’s what made the d-bag’s attack on Jim Calhoun last year so stupid.
Don’t tase me, bro!
November 5th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Done
November 5th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Johnny Majors wasn’t a living legend when he was fired and Fulmer was hired. in fact, Johnny Majors is only a living legend because Fulmer was fired 17 years after “pushing” Majors out. 15 of those 17 Fulmer years were good-to-great-to-spectacular.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
and you wonder why Obama and his team of academic czars haven’t been able to fix the economy. They’ve been insulated in an over-paid industry, and have no clue as to the workings of real business, where you have to fight competition to earn revenue
/political talk as stupid as BCS/pay the athletes talk
Oh jpq, don’t ever change.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Probably not. But I was imagining the firestorm and it was awesome. ACtually I think if Cam is PROVEN innocent (sucks that he has to be), there will be plenty of firestorm to go around. Pete Fiutak at collegefootballnews has already felt some of the wrath, I think. He wrote a hit piece saying Cam and Chizik should be suspended, right now. Apparently the piece was taken off of that website but is still up on foxsports. Apparently the guys at Scout’s Auburn site, affiliated with FoxSports, are pissed given they are on the Cam as victim side of things. KNowing what I know about those guys, I believe them.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
The ubiquitous radio/tv/shoe component of a coach’s compensation package.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
fat gut bounced him out.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Oh jpq, don’t ever change.
ms: I’d never mess w/ perfection
November 5th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Dude, you are seriously fucking up the narrative here.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Indy Star used to, but not sure if it’s still around. Most contracts are public records and lay out the breakdown.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
as far as I know, nobody has compiled the salary structures of the coaches. it’s tough to find them on the inet too. Trey broke down Urban’s pretty well. Derek Dooley’s breakdown is similar (percentage-wise…he makes $1.8 million to Herban’s $4 million).
November 5th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Apparently donation of some or all salaries is more widespread than I thought. Well then.
Most of these guys make per first down what I make in a year, so there’s that.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
THis is good –
http://www.chadgibbs.com/2010/11/05/yesterday-according-to-fb-13/
November 5th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
Hater.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
you’re weird, man. in an ill-informed kind of way.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
I saw it, but how many of the big schools are actually public universities or colleges? Isnt sports kind of low on the totem pole at most public places? I dont think that the people coaching at public schools really make much compaired to private places. I went to a public school and no one cared about the sports team. But maybe thats just my personal experience.
But then what about high schools? Why should tax dollars be spent for people to coach high school kids and for equipment and fields for high school teams? A school builds a football field for a local high school and how often is it used for anything but the football team?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Ridiculous. Nothing but unfounded rumors from a rival school.
Dont forget the local car dealer, right Stoops? Tressel too.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
OK guys, but what about shit like this? Can you refute it? Is it not relevent? Have at it.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
The ubiquitous radio/tv/shoe component of a coach’s compensation package.
Click-clack!
/Spurrier’d.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
Look, I’m trying to get all lathered up over coach’s salaries, and how much the universities make off of exploiting these poor kids. Your facts and such are really making that difficult.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Cornholio taking down High Schools, I love it. I say we take any athletically minded 10 year old and sequester them in a training program funded by professional leagues and/or the government.
Wait, I think thats call China.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
and you wonder why Obama and his team of academic czars haven’t been able to fix the economy. They’ve been insulated in an over-paid industry, and have no clue as to the workings of real business, where you have to fight competition to earn revenue
/political talk as stupid as BCS/pay the athletes talk
Like clockwork…
November 5th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
youre just lucky that when paterno says he had no idea what was going on he is actually telling the truth
November 5th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Much like Josh Nes…
I won’t go there. I’m sorry.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
that’s okay, miz. turn a blind eye. just like the rest of them…
November 5th, 2010 at 11:30 AM
About $1.8 billion in student fees and university funds went to cover gaps in athletic operating costs at those schools last year, the newspaper found. The analysis was based on thousands of pages of inflation-adjusted NCAA athletic data reported since 2005, from open-records requests to hundreds of Division I public schools.
Admittedly I didn’t read the article, but does it show the cost v. revenue breakdown for individual sports? I’d be willing to bet men’s basketball and football bring in more individually than the women’s equestrian team does.
Yes, my alma mater has an equestrian team.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:30 AM
of the athletic departments that have football programs in FBS, only 25 are profitable.
you can thank Title IX for that.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Dont forget the local car dealer, right Stoops? Tressel too.
Saban has a couple car dealerships
November 5th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
best case scenario: NCAA/SEC can’t pin anything on Cam, Auburn beats Bama, then Oregon, for the national title.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
JoePa rocks a sweet Oldsmobile Delta 88 from Oldsmobile of Bellefonte.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Oh I will, don’t worry.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
You should read the article, yeah.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:32 AM
You should read the article, yeah.
Bookmarked. I’ll read it later this morning.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:32 AM
you’re still not making any sense. is Fulmer fat? yes. was he as fat then? no. did he push Majors out the door? arguably, yes. was Majors a living legend then? no. is Majors a living legend now? arguably, yes.
that move is getting to you, huh?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:32 AM
If Duffy said “Every coach has a car dealership deal, right down to the lowest of the DIII.”, he would be correct.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
i like to move it move it…
November 5th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
I’m gonna go to your house, and poop on your floor.
Apology accepted.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
I am a HUGE opponent of LARGE student athletic fees. The young programs in Florida have built off them.
At UF we got charged a $1.80 (or there abouts) per hr for athletic fees. That would come to what? $25 per semester or so…
USF, UCF, FAU, FIU have all charged between $12-15 per credit hour. Highway robbery.
I understand UF is a much more self sufficient program, but $180 extra on tution per semester is not fair.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
CJ Spiller was worth an estimated 4.2 million to Clemson last year.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/nov/28/28playervalue/
November 5th, 2010 at 11:37 AM
I should link to your doppelganger.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
@Trey. The article I linked to has some really great stuff in it (things it seems you may already be familiar with).
The portion on Houston is awesome. What a mess.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
that’s why I said it.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
sparty’s doppelganger. seriously…it’s jarring.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
You should read the article, yeah.
Ok sportsdork, I went ahead and skimmed through it and I did not see an examination of what exactly is bringing down athletic revenues. They imply that it’s ballooning coaches salaries, but that’s kind of difficult to assert when there is no analysis of what other programs, like gymnastics, or tennis, or equestrian bring in. So it’s kind of an incomplete article in that regard.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:40 AM
That’s a fantastic oversimplification. I’m sure somebody will buy it, though.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:42 AM
CJ Spiller was worth an estimated 4.2 million to Clemson last year.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/nov/28/28playervalue/
The head of Purdue’s Research Department brought in over $500 million in Government grants last year
/he wins
November 5th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
November 5th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
The head of Purdue’s Research Department brought in over $500 million in Government grants last year
/he wins
If other universities notice, they’ll have to raise his salary to keep him from leaving and he’ll just have to pull in more government grants to cover it.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
oh lefto lol
November 5th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Actually it was a calculation that if you took a 60% of total revenue and divided it among the top 20 players on a team his share would be 4 million.
Not sure “worth” was ever really measured.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
That’s as drops in ticket sales, declining endowments and other issues have translated to increased dependence on subsidies at Division I public schools, USA TODAY found in its most recent examination of college athletic finances.
With many states making recession-driven cuts in higher education funding
Even at the handful of schools that usually run a surplus, times are tough. At Ohio State, ticket and concession sales are down. “The behavior of our customer has changed, and it will be that way for quite some time,” athletics director Smith says.
Ok let me put it this way. Is there a study, an article, a graph, something that shows how valuable each individual sport is to an average athletic department?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:45 AM
One of the main points in the article is how difficult it is to pay these coaches so much money. But they do discuss where that money comes from in some cases — shoe contracts and other private money. So he doesn’t seem to be hiding anything to push a narrative.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Yeah, good luck with that.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Sadly college basketball is worth ZERO these days in athletic departments. Football pulls in 3-4 times the money which is why so many basketball powerhouses (see: Kansas, Kentucky, and UNC) have refocused so much revenue to football and why so many football powerhouses (See: Florida, Texas, and Ohio State) have become annual players at the top of college basketball.
I’d be shocked if maybe 4-5 programs still made money. Duke, Kentucky being 1-2.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
If other universities notice, they’ll have to raise his salary to keep him from leaving and he’ll just have to pull in more government grants to cover it.
that’s the way it works in capitalism. If I blow away my quota, I’m worth even more. My competitors want to hire me and my own company has to pay me more/entice me to stay. They are raising my goal every year anyway
November 5th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
I think Forbes did something on this just a bit ago. I was surprised who was doing well. Louisville and Indiana and both generating a ton of revenue. (I believe Kentucky was #1).
November 5th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Yeah, good luck with that.
I’m honestly asking. Because it seems that paying at or above market price for a coach is worth the overall revenue he brings in through a major sport like football. And so quoting overall athletic department losses without figuring out where those losses come from seems like an incomplete picture to me.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Are there stockholders in a Public University? Can taxpayers sell their stake when things go in the red?
Not quite the same.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Are there stockholders in a Public University? Can taxpayers sell their stake when things go in the red?
Not quite the same.
small business? family business?
November 5th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Oh I know you were. I’m just saying I don’t think there’s any chance you’re going to find that data for major universities compiled nicely in one place.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
That seems way low to me. Do the Providences and Seton Halls of the world lose money on basketball? Considering it’s their only revenue producing sport I would think their overall athletic departments would run at a huge defecit if basketball isn’t even making a profit.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
sportsdork – there are no stockholders in my company. and my company is huge, one of the biggest is the world. it’s still geverned by the capitalistic model though. public universities can be compared to private companies.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
C’mon, JPQ. Public Universities are not like private businesses.
If and when the University of Phoenix decides that Division 1 Football is good for their business model we’ll talk.
November 5th, 2010 at 11:59 AM
they are when you’re comparing value and pay. that’s what JPQ did.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:01 PM
C’mon, JPQ. Public Universities are not like private businesses.
I know they’re not, but in the context of what ms said, I just gave an example of how the same thing occurs. That was all.
Earlier I made fun of how “Academians” have tried to fix the economy, when they have no clue how it works, other than theoretically. That part is a true statement on my part, in that I feel that way
November 5th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
get back to work.
/one of your real bosses.
//one of 200 million
November 5th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
high five miz!
November 5th, 2010 at 12:08 PM
exit polling from the latest census…
November 5th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
doesn’t the census include children too?
November 5th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
yes. and?
November 5th, 2010 at 12:12 PM
my son ain’t paying your salary.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
from the aforementioned linked article
November 5th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
so. the entire country is our bosses. levees don’t just protect parents and taxpayers, hoss.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
this is really odd. I’m not understanding the point of this exercise. you think Spiller should be paid his NFL value in college?
November 5th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Hey, I don’t necessarily disagree. But then again, was the Bush economic team some genius’ from the private sector that set the country on course for decades of prosperity? Umm… no.
To be clear, I think the degree to which the Executive branch can steer the bohemoth American economy is overstated.
And just one more thing… these people all come from the same places. Geithner is nothing if not a protege of Paulson.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:20 PM
None of this tells you how much he’s worth to Clemson. That same figure applies to Kyle Parker. That’s not a calculation of value.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
he’s a consumer.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:22 PM
blame his parents then for not making him pull his weight and get a job. sounds like a slacker to me.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:23 PM
he put all the magnets on the new refrigerator.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
Every incident in the SEC is like a fucking Dukes of Hazzard episode. What a bunch of hillbillies.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
Paolo!?!?
November 5th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
just pointing out the article, which estimated his value/worth to Clemson. really enjoyed that article.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
you’d have to read the entire piece. I’m guessing, but Parker won’t be at $4.2 mil based on the season clemson has had.
November 5th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
sounds like a pointless exercise. my wife doesn’t get paid what she’s worth on the free market because the system doesn’t allow her to be paid her actual worth for another 2 years.
November 5th, 2010 at 1:03 PM
Spiller was worth more to Clemson than Norwood to South Carolina. That article had Norwood getting more money than Spiller. That’s enough to go ahead and call the premise faulty.
November 5th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Every incident in the SEC is like a fucking Dukes of Hazzard episode. What a bunch of hillbillies.
bojack ninnies!
November 5th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Fulmer narced on Bama a few years ago to cancel or lessen sanctions on UT I believe. Sound like Bruce Pearl was made to coach here.
November 5th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
My wife worked 5 years, 90 hours a week doing surgeries “worth” millions of dollars. This is quantifiable, not some “well add up jerseys and a few extra donations.” She made 40K a year as a resident. And has 200K in med school debt. And wont ever make what CJ Spiller does.
Down with hospitals! Evil establishment! Pay the students!
November 5th, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Oh, and the point of that last post is that lots of people/professions have their pure market value artificially stunted for a variety of reasons. College football players are the least of my worries.