Tampa Bay’s Raheem Morris: “Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, we’ll keep looking at wins”
Bill Parcells is famous for the quote, “you are what your record says you are.” It’s a great quote in some respects equally annoying in others with how overused and misused it is.
It is a great coaching quote in the sense that it says, hey, stop whining and saying what things should be, just do your job. It is increasingly annoying with how it is trotted out constantly, though, because it is way oversimplified and inaccurate.
Parcells didn’t follow it back in 1999, when the Jets got off to a 1-6 start. When discussing his team’s rough luck start, when they lost several close games late, Parcells said, “we’re not that far off, regardless of what people think . . . look, I like this team.” Does that sound like ”you are what your record says you are?” No, Parcells is smarter than that. And he was right, as the Jets won 7 of their final 9 games.
So, I’d like to say, you are what your records–the recorded observations of fact about you–say you are. Wins and Losses are a part of that, yes, but certainly not the only part. How you play . . . and how you play in the context of who you play . . . and how you play in doing the things that are more in your control and not just the fickle hand of fate . . . all of these are important in defining what you are. This, of course, comes up because of objections to my ranking of the Tampa Buccaneers at #22 in the power rankings this week, which I thought was honestly generous. The Buccaneers are 4-2, and if that is the only record you look at, I suppose you, and Raheem Morris, can be fooled into thinking they are a good team.
The Buccaneers are what their records, and not just their record in a vacuum, tell us they are. They have been outscored for the season by 30 points. They are below average at passing the ball, stopping the pass, running the ball, and stopping the run. They are above average in turnover differential, and in making a key play at the end of a game when they have been in close games. They have played a below average schedule, and have lost both games against teams with winning records, at home, by 25 points each. Football Outsiders has them at #25 last week in their efficiency rankings. They are 27th in the simple rating system, which looks at point differential and opponent adjustment.
So what does Raheem Morris have to say about this? Fittingly, in a week when Jon Kitna has returned to the national conscience, he is channeling his inner Kitna, who famously predicted the Lions would win 10 games back in 2007. Morris said, when it was pointed out that his team didn’t rank highly in offensive and defensive categories, “Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, and we’ll keep looking at wins.”
Umm, Raheem, guess what “wins” is. That’s right, it’s a statistic. This is a recipe for disaster, a young developing team not nearly as good as their win-loss record, being told they are the shiznit by their coach. A good coach would rein his young team in, point out that they need to work harder and get better and that they can’t rely on winning close games, and bust their butts when they showed signs of cockiness.
If you believe that the Bucs have somehow proved their clutchness and “just know how to win,” I also invite you to take a lovely cruise to the end of this flat world. The most similar team to this Tampa team is those Kitna-led Lions from 2007, who were also at 4-2 despite blowout losses to their two best opponents, by a combined 66 points. They actually got to 6-2, before losing 7 of their final 8.
This year’s Bucs team can go any number of ways. They can actually start playing better and the young roster can have it click, and parlay their early fortune into a good record. They can play no better, keep getting lucky and winning close contests, and may, if they get really lucky, turn in an Arizona Cardinals in 1998 type season, where they use close wins over an easy schedule to sneak in the playoffs. They can then get smoked in the playoffs. Or, they can keep playing about the same, have a coach who blows smoke up their butts, and lose a lot more games than they win for the rest of the season.
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253 Responses to “Tampa Bay’s Raheem Morris: “Stats are for losers, so you keep looking at stats, we’ll keep looking at wins””
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October 27th, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Good thing Raheem Morris doesn’t have a Cy Young vote
October 27th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Uh, I believe he lifted this verbatim from Bill Belichick
October 27th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Love the Bucs, Ra, not so much.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Wins are a stat
October 27th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
Caption please.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
this one i sit out of. i could get banned again.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Sounds like the NFL needs a BCS to blame.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
I smell a new username for Fetch
October 27th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
I want Raheem Morris on the baseball hall of fame committee STAT (no pun intended)
October 27th, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Only 3 (I think) more days of this shit. Though I might cut it early if I know Duffy isn’t going to be around because I want to make sure I’d get unmoderated. Hopefully CJ understands.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Raheem reads the site obvs. great post Lisk. big ups. i like how you followed this up from yesterdays discussion
October 27th, 2010 at 2:37 PM
that’s okay. When the falcons come back from the break and bitch slap the hell out of that cocky ass son of a bitch, we’ll see how much stats matter than.
Yeah I said it, and MEANT it.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Yeah if you wanna change it by the time the weekend hits I dont care Fetch
October 27th, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Bucs are a gritty team.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Stats are for losers. Now go play baseball you loser.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:39 PM
like i give a shit what fupa-maniac parcells has to say. overrated turd
October 27th, 2010 at 2:39 PM
Umm, Raheem, guess what “wins” is. That’s right, it’s a statistic.
yeah, but he isn’t looking at wins as a stat. He’s looking at it as an overall outcome.
This is the first thing this guy’s ever said that I liked, wrong or not. What’s he going to say, his team is terrible?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Isnt your win/loss record… a stat?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:40 PM
being told they are the shiznit by their coach
i’m not convinced this is what he was doing. while the statement, “stats are for losers” may be a considered a number of different ways, i see nothing wrong with positive reinforcement for a young team experiencing some early success.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:40 PM
Raheem Morris distracted by a bitter and wine-drunk Joe Maddon picking a fight in the stands?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:40 PM
this one i sit out of. i could get banned again.
diplomatic immunity.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
As far as how to judge how good a team is… this is the most valuable metric.
To judge how good an individual who plays a team sport… this is not.
I don’t understand why this is so difficult to grasp.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
frauds shouldn’t call attention to themselves lest it comes back to bite them on the backside.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Isnt your win/loss record… a stat?
Wins are a stat
your two winners for the “I didn’t read the post” comment of the day
October 27th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Just checking – did anyone actually read the post? Or just the headline?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
TJ/
This could explain why TBL has been out earlier….he has been celebrating
http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/gossip-girl/penn-badgley-blake-lively-breakup-confirmed-429630
/end tj
October 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
I would say most important. It’s not the most telling or illustrative, however.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Damn you Clay
October 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
i liked the comment as well.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Raheem DeVaughn > Raheem Morris
October 27th, 2010 at 2:43 PM
Isn’t your win/loss record a stat?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:43 PM
can anyone clarify whether or not W-L record is a stat?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
frauds shouldn’t call attention to themselves lest it comes back to bite them on the backside.
I really don’t mind it at all. He was a rambling, nonsensical idiot last year who looked more foolish every passing week. If Morris has a little confidence, great. If football weren’t about motivation and attitude at all (or grittiness, as MikeNYC would say I mean, scornfully), the yeah, it’s utter bullshit.
But all teams are pretty close, talent wise, even the bad ones. Go take games, we’re good. That’s the message. Good message.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Just checking – did anyone actually read the post? Or just the headline?
Did you see how long that friggin’ thing is? I’m still trying to wrap my head around Troy Smith.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
oh im sorry i thought wins were a stat
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Small sample size right now for the Bucs, a bad baseball team can go 7-3 over a ten game stretch…does that mean they’re good?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Oh, here’s what Belichick said: “Stats are for losers. The final score is for winners.”
Reminds me “winners go home and fuck the prom queen”
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Yea, but RA wants to be everyone’s buddy. That is his problem.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
frauds shouldn’t call attention to themselves lest it comes back to bite them on the backside.
you’ve obviously taken the objective stance here.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:44 PM
honestly, i would say no.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
No its not. It doesn’t tell you how dominant they are. It doesn’t tell you how good the offense is, it doesn’t tell you how good the defense is. But at the end of the day, in a team sport, that’s all that matters.
What Raheem actually said was technically wrong, but, I think Lisk missed the context.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
No one comes here for the posts.
/bizarro Duffy’d
October 27th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
This is the first thing this guy’s ever said that I liked, wrong or not. What’s he going to say, his team is terrible?
I would like it if he said this even more but it would not give him a very good outcome. Yeah, I didn’t read it before I wrote that “wins are a stat” but maybe I was trying to get into an ill-advised semantics argument with… somebody…
October 27th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
It be caption’d.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:45 PM
A good coach would rein his young team in, point out that they need to work harder and get better and that they can’t rely on winning close games, and bust their butts when they showed signs of cockiness.
you don’t know that he isnt’ doing this behind closed doors. If he is, fabulous. If he’s not, then yeah, he’s the Raheem Morris I thought he was.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
what’s to wrap your head around? you’re getting multiple super bowls.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
like i give a shit what fupa-maniac parcells has to say. overrated turd
Link?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
SHE WAS THE PROM QUEEN!!!!
October 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
what gets a person banned around these parts?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Did you see how long that friggin’ thing is? I’m still trying to wrap my head around Troy Smith.
I make them that way so I can bury subtle digs at the 49ers in the 7th paragraph without being noticed.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:47 PM
I read the first half.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Carla was the prom queen.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:47 PM
+1 on the caption Hernia
October 27th, 2010 at 2:47 PM
Isn’t your win/loss record a stat?
honestly, i would say no.
No, honestly. Winning and losing are outcomes. Stats are analytical byproducts of your attempt at that achieving an outcome.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:47 PM
I noticed that, well done.
/Bucs > Chargers
October 27th, 2010 at 2:48 PM
what gets a person banned around these parts?
almost nothing. Not even saying Tom Jackson looks like a gorilla.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Carla was the prom queen.
Tortelli?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:49 PM
Small sample size.
/pours one out for NickP
October 27th, 2010 at 2:50 PM
They can play no better, keep getting lucky and winning close contests,
Not with Aaron Rodgers at QB
/wait, what?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
fuck the bucks. I can’t believe that little podunk retirement home got a superbowl before us. Only thing worse would be if that hellhole new orleans ever won the superbowl befo……wait a minute
October 27th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
RE: Troy Smith – he threw a decent amount in college. He even was able to complete passes to Ted Ginn, which isn’t easy to do. But he’s not very good. Not much worse than Alex Smith, a little better than PTSD Carr
October 27th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
No, honestly. Winning and losing are outcomes. Stats are analytical byproducts of your attempt at that achieving an outcome.
Gaining or preventing a first down is also an outcome.
Winning a championship is also an outcome, and individual wins are a byproduct of your attempt to achieve that outcome.
They can all be quantified and assigned a value, thus they are statistics.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
It matters at the end of the season, but we are not even halfway home, so the Bucs win/loss record is not all that matters right now, it’s how much they win the rest of the games that matter.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Small sample size right now for the Bucs, a bad baseball team can go 7-3 over a ten game stretch…does that mean they’re good?
they’re more than a 1/3 of the way thru the season; 10 baseball games is 1/16 of a baseball season.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:52 PM
almost nothing. Not even saying Tom Jackson looks like a gorilla.
good, because he really does.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:52 PM
true.
However, 54 or whatever it is games is also SSS.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Bucs rush defense is Rosie O’Donnell-ugly.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:52 PM
No, honestly. Winning and losing are outcomes. Stats are analytical byproducts of your attempt at that achieving an outcome.
quod erat demonstrandum
October 27th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Gaining or preventing a first down is also an outcome.
Winning a championship is also an outcome, and individual wins are a byproduct of your attempt to achieve that outcome.
They can all be quantified and assigned a value, thus they are statistics.
whatever, big man. First downs are a stat from the minute the game ends. Wins and losses are outcomes. You want to semantic me? Kansas City sucks. That’s a stat.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
They can all be quantified and assigned a value, thus they are statistics
boom, roasted
October 27th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Which is cool, put our Power Ranker here (motions head toward Lisk) has the Bucs under the Chargers. Look, I have seen both teams play. The Chargers fucking suck dick.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
why does Guiness girl hate Raheem?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Lisk, seriously, how much does this piss you off? You’re the only football stathead on earth.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Not even saying Tom Jackson looks like a gorilla.
who says he doesn’t?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Kansas City sucks. That’s a stat.
Looks like somebody else didn’t read the post…
October 27th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
what’s to wrap your head around? you’re getting multiple super bowls.
I’m actually clueless as to what kind of QB he really is. Can’t stand watching Big 10 football.
I make them that way so I can bury subtle digs at the 49ers in the 7th paragraph without being noticed.
I actually read it. But now I gotta go through again with a fine-toothed-comb.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 PM
you’re completely offbase here.
troy smith is probably going to be the second greatest QB in the NFL over the next five years behind one, colt mccoy.
/unbiased analysis
October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 PM
racism
October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Josh McDaniels from the first half of last year is on board with Raheem Morris.
/Morris also said they’re the best team in the NFC
//they’re at best third in their division
October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Let’s keep it that way.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
I like this part.
Winning is still the magic bullet though. You can say and do whatever you want so long as you win. Raheem Morris is the example, Mike Singletary is the antithesis.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
who says he doesn’t?
a handfull of pantywaists about a year ago
October 27th, 2010 at 2:56 PM
Not according to the current standings.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
you missed a great rose bowl this year
October 27th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
see, there’s your mistake. ohio state owns the big ten, but they’re apart from that collection of skidmarks.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
A win is an outcome. Statistics are outcomes. A “win” is a stat.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Does my gravatar read at all?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:58 PM
Which is weird, because he wants winners.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
yeah, looks like I lose my little argument that wins are an outcome. It’s like Jack’s tattoo. What I said means more than that you think I said.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Far away it looks like ET crossing the moon on the bike, when I enlarge it I know it’s one of those RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGS.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Do you honestly think that the Bucs are better than the Saints?
October 27th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Girls are so much more reasonable than guys.
October 27th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Does my gravatar read at all?
is it an embryonic duck?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
This is what it looks like to me
October 27th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
This is apparently a billboard in SF, CJ. My buddy says he nearly drives off the road in a fit of rage when he sees one.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
YoungLefty is Matt Leinart
October 27th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
What is the falsest statement ever uttered?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Doesnt matter as long as they end up with more wins than them by the end of the season. Isnt that all Raheem is trying to say?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Lisk, seriously, how much does this piss you off? You’re the only football stathead on earth.
I’m far from the only one (Advanced NFL Stats, Football Outsiders, Drinen, Stuart, various economists, unnamed people surreptitiously hidden behind closed doors in good organizations), though I’m more of a philosophy guy. There are plenty of bad stats out there (the league officially measuring offense by raw yards, for example) and I’ve probably perpetrated a few, unintentionally.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:02 PM
No, he said they’re the best team in the NFC.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:02 PM
I actually don’t really like college football. I watch USC sometimes because they have a pro-style offense and they’re the local team. But the games are too long and most of the offense’s are, for lack of a better term, wack.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:02 PM
Doesnt matter as long as they end up with more wins than them by the end of the season. Isnt that all Raheem is trying to say?
he’s also trying to say to his team that he’s confident in their ability to win, and not to listen to the Jason Lisks of the world who point out how terrible they are.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:02 PM
I mean tthe part about the stats and the wins.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
But it doesn’t matter what I think, Lefty. The games aren’t played in my mind. Right now, the Bucs have a better record.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
girl, every word in this song’s
gonna be about you
girl, every word in this song’s
gonna be about you
/This song always gets my lady to drop them drawers
//Raheem Morris is terrible
October 27th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Girls are so much more reasonable than guys.
Yes, Jezebel clearly shows that fact.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
lollerblades
October 27th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
To be fair, he can keep saying that until they start losing though. Then, when they do, we’ll all jump him for not keeping his team’s focus.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:03 PM
What a jackass.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Speaking of the Saints, what in the fuck is wrong with Drew Brees and that offense this year? Please for all that is holy don’t tell me the reason they suck so bad is because Reggie Bush got hurt.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Yes, the 49ers offense is in no way “wack” at all.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Did anyone mention how awesome Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol were in Ballin’? Calling Steve Blake and Shannon Brown is, for lack of a better term, a hot mess.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
if you only knew what article sealed the deal w/ Lisk back in September.
it wouldn’t have been a dealbreaker if he disagreed with me on it – this ain’t Fox News, we want guys w/ differing opinions – but when he said he agreed with me on it, i did a fist-pump.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Can’t divorce the two though, as the stats and wins comment was in response to comments made after he said they were the best in the NFC.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
/points to handle
October 27th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Speaking of the Saints, what in the fuck is wrong with Drew Brees and that offense this year?
Reggie Bush got hurt
October 27th, 2010 at 3:06 PM
I’m going to take a guess here and base it off their defense. If someone looks up the stats, I bet the Saints average field position isn’t nearly as good as last year because the defense isn’t forcing turnovers. I’d also say they’re forcing a lot of stuff because they’re playing from behind a lot more.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
YOU AND THESE GODDAMNED TEASES.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
so true. Although come to think of it I don’t think I switched it until Sunday night and Sunday is a pretty high traffic day so.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
was it the “fan interest is through the roof!!” article?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
As Whitlock would say, Jason Lisk yet again doing the damn thang.
But what I’d really like to hear is Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez’s WAR is the Highest Ever’s logical and thought-out analysis of the Bucs situation.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
I think you’ve gone retarded. Nice way to dodge the question though. For fun, rank the following three from this season so far: Jets, Patriots, Steelers.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Reggie Bush AND Pierre Thomas got hurt, o-line regressed bigtime, defense not getting turnovers.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
if you only knew what article sealed the deal w/ Lisk back in September.
Greg Oden’s dong.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
this must be why my (admittedly half hearted) attempts to be the baseball or CBB guy have been rebuffed
October 27th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
was it the “fan interest is through the roof!!” article?
Statistical analysis of arms stock-piling by private individuals
October 27th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
//wonders which underwhelming team wisky will lose to in horrific fashion
October 27th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Yes, the 49ers offense is in no way “wack” at all.
Well, they’re my favorite team. And Mt. San Jacinto Community College doesn’t have a Division 1 team.
Far away it looks like ET crossing the moon on the bike,
E.T. on a bike? Really?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
for the record, I think the Bucs are terrible.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Knicks, Islanders, Jaguars.
/retarded
October 27th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
come on…it’s obviosuly the sanches = jamarcus article.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
wait a minute, I bet it’s the article(s) where you said something like:
October 27th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Lefty: You just like finding a way to nitpick. So fine: I think the Bucs are better than the Saints. Bookmark this comment, and then re-post it if/when I’m proven wrong. Whatever gives you a chubby.
Steelers
Jets
Patriots
October 27th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
but when he said he agreed with me on it, i did a fist-pump.
Was it a Vader fist pump? Because if it was, I’m gonna have to see the article.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:10 PM
lefty youre not sold on the jets?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I for one, would like to wait for the Steelers to play the Pats & Jets, and for the Pats & Jets to play their 2nd game. I know our POWER RANKINS society hates waiting though.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
That’s not what the records say.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I bet it was a statistical breakdown of how bad BBoB was.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Speaking of the Saints, what in the fuck is wrong with Drew Brees and that offense this year?
The Madden Curse. Duh.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
jets
steelers
pats
October 27th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
I for one don’t care for power rankings. But 2-5 teams being several spots on top of 4-2 teams makes me raise an eyebrow.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
You were proven wrong
October 27th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
Ooooh, he was going for the trick “3 way tie” answer, Jersey. Nice try though.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:12 PM
They have the same record as the other two, so using the Senator Jersey approved method of ranking them, they’re all three even.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Of course when I spend the last 40 mins not doing work and instead watching Bucs highlights and pressers for the week is the moment that I miss a Bucs post.. sigh
October 27th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Jets > Steelers > Patriots.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:14 PM
if you only knew what article sealed the deal w/ Lisk back in September.
What sealed the deal for me was when TBL showed up at my house with a bottle of Boone’s.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:14 PM
ballz…it looks like mr. 6/24-in-game-7-must-mean-MVP’s ring
October 27th, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Cute. What you didn’t see was the imaginary 1 next to all of their names. But for real: I went to head to head then common opponent. Jets beat the Pats. Jets lost to the Ravens. Steelers beat the the Ravens.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Why even bring this up? What purpose does this information serve any of us?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:15 PM
But the Pats beat the Ravens who beat the Jets who beat the Pats who beat the- BRAINSPLOSION
October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Giants > Skins > Iggles > Cowboys
/really bad at following directions
October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Purdue or Northwestern. Think they’ll handle Indiana and Michigan.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
It’s week 8. How about we not care about rankings and watch football?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
As a Bucs fan, I am happy that they are actually winning. I honestly thought they would win 2, three games at most here in our
October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 PM
I think it’s a roundabout way of saying that Jason Lisk is Bee Bob.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Purdue, Badger? Come on… I’ll give you Northwestern but Purdue?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Put your brain back together.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:17 PM
ballz…it looks like mr. 6/24-in-game-7-must-mean-MVP’s ring
Who let Simmons in here? There were 7 games in that series, hoss. Plus I think it’s Luke Waltons ring.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Was the Boones Strawberry Hill or some other flavor?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
oh i thought jets had extra win for some reason
October 27th, 2010 at 3:18 PM
bullshit that this happened. it would have been a case of Sunkist.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Wait a second, the Blazers and Suns played last night. Talk about a tree falling in the woods.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Doesnt’t matter if Jets and Steelers are better than Pats right now. Beating them in the playoffs is what is going to matter.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
You get what Im saying. I hate power rankings, I feel like the thing that we are judging isnt complete yet. Wait for it to play out. The top 3 teams in the power rankings all play each other still. We get to see it happen on the field!
October 27th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
was only 40% for the series so wasnt that great of a fall
October 27th, 2010 at 3:19 PM
And Butter thanks for pointing that out. My bad.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Why even bring this up? What purpose does this information serve any of us?
to make sure you know that Jason Lisk wasn’t thrust upon TBL by the new overlords, and that Jason Lisk serves at the pleasure of TBL, so he better not criticize the Jets, or praise Hakeem Nicks.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Strawberry Hill? Orange Hurricane? I bet it was Orange Hurricane.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
What sealed the deal for me was when TBL showed up at my house with a bottle of Boone’s.
only the best for TBL
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
easy there, cochise…believe it or not, simmons doesn’t have the market cornered on hating the rapist.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Bucs are simply a team that beats the other teams around them of similar skill and loses against the better teams, that correlates to most likely 8-8 with the schedule they have this year though they could could lucky and make 10-6
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Beating them in the playoffs is what is going to matter.
whoever wins, that will be a stat.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
Incredible high right now after two ranked teams. I’d feel better at Camp Randall but the game is in West Lafayette. That and Spencer is sorta kinda right about the Wisconsin blowing opportunities in recent history.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:20 PM
15th anniversary of the debut of the Russian 5
October 27th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
The Ducks played the Stars, too.
/I watched it
October 27th, 2010 at 3:21 PM
Wasn’t trying to be a dick even though it came across that way
/Packers 24, Jets 13
October 27th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
tho i will be watching wisky pummel michigan into bolivian. wouldn’t miss that for the world.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
I see you are also well versed in the veritable plethora of Boone’s flavors.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
so he better not criticize the Jets, or praise Hakeem Nicks.
I don’t get TBL’s irrational hatred of Hakeem Nicks.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:22 PM
@michigan for wiskys loss
October 27th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
Ahem, ALLEGED rapist.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:23 PM
15th anniversary of the debut of the Russian 5
It’s too bad the NHL missed out on the best year’s of Fetisov’s career.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:24 PM
I had no idea Boone’s Farm even made an orange-flavored beverage. Sounds disgusting.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:24 PM
tho i will be watching wisky pummel michigan into bolivian
lol
October 27th, 2010 at 3:24 PM
Lisk has free reign. Any team/athlete/storyline is fair game. Every guy here has that freedom.
As for Steelers-Jets … after watching that Dolphins-Steelers game, i felt a little better. I know, i know … the heat in So Florida was a factor, and it’ll be 10 degrees in Pittsburgh in January, when Sanchez will have to win …
October 27th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Wait a second, the Blazers and Suns played last night. Talk about a tree falling in the woods.
Blazers going 82-0.
/picked em to win it all
October 27th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
For what is worth, Freeman is like a young Roethlisberger minus the whole grey peen thing.
What he has been able to do with that Bucs team so far is just incredible, I was against him when they drafted him but as of right now I would prob only trade him for like 5 QBs in the whole league..5 comeback victories as a starter already is pretty good no matter what the stats say
October 27th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
Wait a second, the Blazers and Suns played last night. Talk about a tree falling in the woods.
The Ducks played the Stars, too.
/I watched it
Talk about a leaf falling of the tree that fell in the woods.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
There was a Boone’s Farm challenge my Freshman year at Iowa, GG. Long story short, I puked.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:25 PM
I know you weren’t. It didn’t.
/Jets 38, Packers 21… Rodgers out of the game, 3rd quarter.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
5 comeback victories as a starter already is pretty good no matter what the stats say
now that is a stat I hate. The 40 game winning/tying drives with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter or overtime stat? I hate that one.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Jersey, did you see this?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
no hatred for Nicks.
And i think the Jets are in trouble Saturday, even w an extra week off. Note: I am a pessimist, so i think they are in trouble EVERY week.
they better get more pressure on Rodgers than the Vikings did, that’s for damn sure
October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
It’s week 8. How about we not care about rankings and watch football?
+ eleventy billion and threeve
October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
The deal was sealed when TBL sent me a care package of track balls.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Boone’s Farm should only make you puke from the horrible taste, not from the extreme lack of alcohol. That shit is gross.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
And no Aaron Smith. But it’s a while off before I can tell.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
Don’t even say that word right now.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:27 PM
Bears 59 – Jets 14 on Dec 26.
DAAAAAAAA BEARS!
/does hula dance with coconut shell bra and grass skirt
October 27th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Poetry in motion. man, seeing Vlad all healthy and talking back then is strange.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
And no Aaron Smith. But it’s a while off before I can tell.
They’ll inject his tricep with HGH.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Yeah, Husker linked it this morning. Poor kids.
They will. I like the Jets a lot this weekend.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
You know they play in December too.
Will he be able to cover Mike Wallace? Or tackle Ben in the pocket? At least last year he proved he can make Reed miss FGs.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
This made me laugh out loud.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
Ha! Will your coach and/or qb make it to that game?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
For what is worth, Freeman is like a young Roethlisberger minus the whole grey peen thing.
link?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:29 PM
What is this guy talking about? He is an idiot.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Poetry in motion. man, seeing Vlad all healthy and talking back then is strange.
He was fantastic. No other Russians at the time played like him.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
tho i will be watching wisky pummel michigan into bolivian.
If it’s anything like this Evo Morales shot to the nuts, I will thoroughly enjoy it. Fuck Michigan.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
browns beat the steelers in cleveland and the jets.
/book it
October 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
look at this gorgeous gorgeous sweater
/for hockey fans
October 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM
Todd Collins!
October 27th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
he was straight up nasty. the Flyers and Blackhawk fans know.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
this sweater > that sweater
October 27th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
This
October 27th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Coach, absolutely. He’s here all season. QB? He’ll be nestled between Cavallari’s legs for that game.
But… [resumes Superfan voice] the Bears defense will score on 5 straight possessions when LaDanian Tomlinson fumbles twice, Mark Sanchez throws 2 interceptions and out of fear, hands da ball to Lance Briggs on the 5th possession as a football olive branch and the Jets offensive line carries him into da endzone.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
look at this gorgeous gorgeous sweater
That’s a beauty, Sid Crosby’s dong.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:32 PM
Dammit, I swore I quoted that right.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:33 PM
I’m hiring someone to sneak into your place and shave your head while you sleep.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:33 PM
I like it because it’s the Sioux, I don’t like it because there’s a lot of faux-Hawk fans that have green Blackhawks Kane jerseys in this city.
I’ll count the Toews Sioux jerseys again tonight. I bet I see at least 10. Never fails.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:34 PM
The Jets actually blitz unlike the Vikings, so you have a much better shot than we ever did.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:34 PM
/Fixed for accuracy
October 27th, 2010 at 3:35 PM
I want that for an ugly Christmas sweater party. I don’t care if it’s not a Christmas sweater I’ll hang ornaments or put a fucking bow on it. That is spectacular.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:36 PM
I’m having a hard time deciding whether or not I should bench Greg Jennings this week. I really reallly really really really really want the packers to lose even though I hate the Jets too.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:37 PM
And he meant, December. He might not have been wrong, but he meant December.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:37 PM
he was straight up nasty. the Flyers and Blackhawk fans know.
Went back to look at his stats. Forgot he was part of the punch-up in Piestany.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:39 PM
You sure?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:39 PM
I want that for an ugly Christmas sweater party. I don’t care if it’s not a Christmas sweater I’ll hang ornaments or put a fucking bow on it. That is spectacular.
Here are some more choices.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:39 PM
Which is cool, put our Power Ranker here (motions head toward Lisk) has the Bucs under the Chargers. Look, I have seen both teams play. The Chargers fucking suck dick.
Oh, by the way, not to give too much, away, but when I’m writing these and drinking a beer while watching Jon Kitna bounce passes on Monday night, I’m not exactly spending alot of time having an in depth debate about San Diego and Tampa Bay. I’m not going to fight you over that one. They are pretty much in the same tier for me. Tampa can improve cuz they are young, San Diego can improve by charging more and having a more select Hollywood A-list clientele
October 27th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
dude, have you seen the bucs play? they’re just as bad only they don’t shoot themselves in the foot.
chargers are no. 1 in offense. they’re not bad, just stupid.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:41 PM
Positive.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:42 PM
SC
This ones for you
October 27th, 2010 at 3:43 PM
You are what your record says you are, brah. So what if the Bucs got facefucked by the Saints in Tampa? Better record, my man.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:43 PM
Doesn’t this sorta speak against this post then? Should Norv Turner be telling his guys that they’ve got the stats? Should Norv Turner even be allowed into Chargers team meetings?
October 27th, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Vlad. I forgot that Konstantinov headbutted Greg Hawgood during the brawl at the world juniors. I take back the good things I said about him here.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Ineptness should figure into a team’s sucking of a dick. 2 and fucking 5. They suck.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:45 PM
Plus minus is the greatest stat in the history of EVAR! Patrick Kane is a -7! WORST. PLAYER. EVAR.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Plus minus is the greatest stat in the history of EVAR! Patrick Kane is a -7! WORST. PLAYER. EVAR.
No, Interesting, Yes.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
You’ve got that one, brah. I fucked up on that point. I was wrong.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:47 PM
philip rivers should carry norv into team meetings on his back as a show of thanks for being an awesome offensive mind.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:49 PM
And then yell at the rest of the team for fucking up so much.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:49 PM
i don’t disagree, but the differences in production between the two are too vast to ignore. SD is competent just sloppy while TB is not competent just lucky.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:50 PM
Phil better get his shit together because he’s this close [places fingers very close together] to being benched in favor of grey peen on The Charity Poke’s.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:51 PM
The second part happens to teams who keep their heads in the game, the first part is unforgivable.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
I was under the impression he only does that during games.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
I mentioned in the comments yesterday. Bucs are Frauds.
Great post Mr. Lisk.
Fuck the Bucs and fuck you Raheem.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:56 PM
The biggest difference between TB and SD has been SD horrible ST play. It cost them the SEA, OAK and KC games. On a neutral field, SD probably beats them 7 out of 10 times and 2 of the 3 losses would be more SD shooting themselves in the foot than TB being better.
October 27th, 2010 at 4:25 PM
Wins is a stat?
Sorry I missed this nonsense.
October 27th, 2010 at 4:26 PM
Wins aren’t a stat. They’re a result.
That said, TB is lucky.
October 27th, 2010 at 4:31 PM
During these 10 projected games, they will be playing special teams, won’t they?
October 27th, 2010 at 4:39 PM
His axiom still was accurate. His team was it record said it was. It was a really good team whose QB, Vinny Testaverde was out for the year after the first game, and was instead being led by Rick Mirer. They were bad because their QB was that bad.
October 27th, 2010 at 5:00 PM
Sorry I missed this nonsense.
I’m sorry you missed it too.