Monday Night Football: Just Say No to Quarterback Records in Close Games
Earlier today, Colin Cowherd pointed out that Aaron Rodgers was only 7-13 in games decided by 7 points or less as a starter, and Greg Bedard tweeted that the Packers QB was 1-11 in games decided by 4 points or less. You can probably guess my position on this issue.
I am opposed to assigning wins and losses to the quarterback. This is not to say that we shouldn’t evaluate the things that the quarterback controls that lead to winning and losing, such as completing passes or avoiding interceptions and sacks. Do good quarterbacks win more games than they lose as a group? Sure they do. Do they win more close games? I haven’t specifically looked at it, but I’m guessing it’s not as clear cut.
I know you might be surprised to look at a list of coaching records in close games. Vince Tobin (16-6) has the best record in games decided by 3 or less, just ahead of John Madden. Let that soak in. Chuck Noll (0.395), Dick Vermeil (0.412) and Bill Walsh (0.419) all had losing records in field goal games. As Football Outsiders pointed out here, great teams aren’t defined by their ability to win close games, but rather, blow out opponents. History is littered with teams that were “clutch” in the regular season, and lost close games in the playoffs. (I witnessed several in the 1990′s at Arrowhead).
Since we apparently have to judge quarterbacks by their record, though, let’s bring it full circle to tonight’s game. David Garrard was a below average 12-14 in games decided by a touchdown or less through 2008, during a time when the Jaguars were an above average team and had a winning record overall. Over the last two seasons, when the Jags have been a worse team, his record has shot to 8-4 in close games. Then there’s our knight in shining armor in the Quarterback Win-Loss game, Vince Young, who is the anti-Rodgers. The Titans are 18-5 in games decided by a touchdown or less with Vince Young as starter.
To test whether there is anything to a quarterback’s ability to win close games, I took every quarterback who started at least 10 games in 7 or more seasons since 1990 (I would have used more quarterbacks, but as we will see, I think it would have made more work to get to the same point). I then looked at their record in games decided by a touchdown or less in their first 3 full seasons as a starter (plus any other seasons in the interim where they were not full time starters yet), and then in their next 3. I calculated the correlation coefficient between the close game winning percentage in the first 3 and next 3.
The result: -0.03.
For those that may not remember correlation coefficient, that basically means that there is no relationship between the close game records of our quarterbacks in the first 3 seasons when compared to the next 3. This, of course, makes perfect sense. Quarterbacks don’t control their defenses, or their coaches decision making, or the special teams coverage teams or field goal kickers, or random bounces of the ball. The worst records in the first three seasons were turned in by Steve McNair (6-11) and Warren Moon (5-8). They went 14-6 and 11-7 respectively over the next three seasons in close games. At the other end, Brady, Marino, Brad Johnson, Jim Harbaugh and John Elway had the best early records in close games. The Patriots kept winning close ones, while the Dolphins defense fell apart and they started losing shootouts, Johnson and Harbaugh changed teams and regressed to the mean, and Elway was about .500 in the regular season from years 4 to 6.
One of these quarterbacks may get credit for another close win tonight, but you’ll know better than to attribute that to the quarterback solely. While some quarterbacks may play better under pressure, remember kids, if someone offers you “clutch” with a side of win-loss records, Just Say No. [photo via Getty]

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October 18th, 2010 at 8:32 PM
awesome stuff, Lisk.
Jags 23
Titans 20
took the Jags +3
October 18th, 2010 at 8:33 PM
Go ECU alum!
October 18th, 2010 at 8:33 PM
smells like burnt editor-in-chief in here.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:35 PM
Good bet. I like the Jags to win outright as well. VY is due for an implosion.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:36 PM
Good stuff as always Lisk. But you need to tweet more.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:36 PM
I can see why this cut the line, but you will deliver my expose’ on 2nd and 10 running plays. Do you hear me Lisk?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:37 PM
VY might take advantage of the weak pass defense. Jags control the clock with the running game.
Jags 24
Titans 17
/homer
October 18th, 2010 at 8:38 PM
As Football Outsiders pointed out here,
link goes nowhere, just back to the main page here.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:40 PM
it’s almost too painful to watch the Yanks swing and miss repeatedly. MNF it is.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:40 PM
Do I really have to read the articles now?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:41 PM
another swing and miss. you’ve had a lot of those lately.
do you read any of the posts, or just the headline & 140 word tweet?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Jags pass defense off to a smashing start. Fuck.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:44 PM
I’ve said it before but I can’t believe Gerald Alexander is a starter. Guy is a terrible, Millen 2nd round pick.
/Jags off to a wonderful start
/Making Vince young look competent.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:45 PM
do you read any of the posts, or just the headline & 140 word tweet?
don’t touch the tweets. I read the post earlier, and just re-read it now. I am quite sure you asked Green Bay fans to please explain to you why their QB had such a bad record in close games.
Do you want me to paste it in? I’m happy to.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:45 PM
That’s a bullshit call. BULLSHIT!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 8:46 PM
WTF – Jags defense is fucking terrible. fuck VY.
/But Kenny Britt is top 5 receiver from draft class
October 18th, 2010 at 8:46 PM
speaking of, you should go back and read the comments on that post. You got worked, big man.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:46 PM
No way the Jaguars are winning by 3. I read the article, David Garrard always loses the close games. Excellent research, Lisk. Totally backs me up on this
October 18th, 2010 at 8:48 PM
WTF – Jags defense is fucking terrible.
This year it seems that they give up a touchdown on the opening drive every game.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:48 PM
As a follow up to the 2nd and 10 run, can we get a Jason Garrett is a dummy for constantly throwing on 3rd and less than 3 post?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Good effort by Kareem. picked up a few extra yards.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:50 PM
oh, sh!t! Kenny Britt!
I need 16 from Britt to win in fantasy. i thought i had no shot …
October 18th, 2010 at 8:50 PM
Oh, come on.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:51 PM
Brent Johnson for Vezina
October 18th, 2010 at 8:52 PM
what a surprise David Garrard gets his career high in TDs against the 2010 Bill. I suspect that many other players will set career numbers against the Bill this season.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:53 PM
fuck Jason Babin. WMU Bronco bust. fuck his story, Gruden.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Yeah man. Unless you were touching that post with some sarcasm (I’m still not sure), that was a posted that needed some stoning.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Fucking fair catch call was late. That’s another shit call.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Thank you.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Refs picked it up, good for them making a correct call.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:55 PM
There’s Gruden’s first ridiculous superlative of the night – “I don’t know of a better story in the NFL than Jason Babin”
October 18th, 2010 at 8:56 PM
I don’t know that we’d need such a myopic view of why Jason Garrett is a dummy, Lefty. Can’t we just get a more general overview of why he’s an idiot and then maybe follow up with a series that explores each facet in greater detail?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:57 PM
Need a stop here, went down to the Bills 10-0 early. The Titans are not the Bills (captain obvious).
October 18th, 2010 at 8:57 PM
There’s Gruden’s first ridiculous superlative of the night – “I don’t know of a better story in the NFL than Jason Babin”
i’m not watching yet, I’m still waiting to see if TBL is going to threaten to ban me, but how about Michael Oher, in terms of a story that could be better.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:57 PM
Brent Johnson for Vezina
aww, thanks
/what does he play with?
//how much does it eat?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:58 PM
he didn’t get it – bad spot.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:58 PM
Too early to challenge the spot?
October 18th, 2010 at 8:59 PM
There’s Gruden’s first ridiculous superlative of the night – “I don’t know of a better story in the NFL than Jason Babin”
i’m not watching yet, I’m still waiting to see if TBL is going to threaten to ban me, but how about Michael Oher, in terms of a story that could be better.
Gruden obviously never listens to himself call these games.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:00 PM
I heart Aaron Kampman.
/no homo
//runner looked to be down
October 18th, 2010 at 9:00 PM
Jags ball!
/high fives gee-zeus
//VY is down.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:00 PM
At first glance, I think Young had the ball with a knee down when he was “turned over” and lost it again.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:00 PM
wow, Vince Young got bent back BADLY there. looked bad, haven’t seen the replay
October 18th, 2010 at 9:01 PM
If recent history follows through, you’ll just disappear and folks will eventually find out.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:01 PM
looks like he hurt his knee
/DeJavu from 2008 vs Jags
October 18th, 2010 at 9:01 PM
High five back!
/Alualu was out on the that last play, big loss if serious
October 18th, 2010 at 9:01 PM
I went bad and read that Packer post. And you know what? It actually does reek of burn editor-in-chief in here. I mean, come on.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:02 PM
How much of a quarterback loosing close games is his ability not to come back vs his team having a bad defense that can not hold the other team from scoring late in the game?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Gruden obviously never listens to himself call these games.
i’m guessing he cares not a whit for a long term gig in broadcasting
/bears in 2011!
October 18th, 2010 at 9:02 PM
Fisher has to challenge that. VY’s knee was down.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Kerry Collins Theme song is TNT?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:03 PM
here comes the challenge.
I hate Jeff Fisher as he challenged a Lions catch on thanksgiving when the titans were up by 30.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:04 PM
One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer
October 18th, 2010 at 9:05 PM
That’s harsh
October 18th, 2010 at 9:05 PM
Man, that looked ugly. If his knee is ok he is really lucky.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:05 PM
I think he is down clearly. Hopefully Collins throws a pick 6 here.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:05 PM
I’m surprised Cliff Lee can run to cover first base given the fact that his gigantic balls must weigh him down
October 18th, 2010 at 9:06 PM
I’m not a doctor, but i don’t think VY will be back.
/took Jags
also, it looked like he was hurting so bad he just dropped the ball
October 18th, 2010 at 9:06 PM
This has to be a screen pass with Collins just entering the game
October 18th, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Nevermind – Jags secondary blows.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:07 PM
You gotta be kidding me. No holding on that?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:07 PM
Collins might actually be a better fit for the Titans against the Jags.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:08 PM
Here it is, Clay:
A few attempted to (injuries, coach blows, defense gags late). if you read that as Rodgers sucks, or anything close to it … well, I feel bad for you.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:08 PM
Jags secondary makes me feel better about Lions secondary.
/Even the Lions figured out Jerald Alexander sucks
October 18th, 2010 at 9:08 PM
If he didnt put them in the microwave it would not be a problem
October 18th, 2010 at 9:09 PM
Did you know he is perfect through 3 innings? He’s perfect through 3 innings. CLIFF LEE IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 9:09 PM
The thread in that Packers post was fantastic.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:09 PM
you’ve said this for several weeks now. Repeatedly. it seems you want out, or are trying really hard to do something to get the boot.
Nobody’s holding a gun to your head, man …
October 18th, 2010 at 9:09 PM
/DeJavu from 2008 vs Jags
See if he asks out of the game after getting roughed up again.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:11 PM
TBL: We just thought, like the whole Commenteriari, that you were above a post that addresses W-L records to qbs. W-L records are for one on one competition when judging players, they have no bearing on individuals as far as team sports are concerned.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:12 PM
/Even the Lions figured out Jerald Alexander sucks
They cut him after training camp, brought him back a couple weeks ago. The secondary, as is clearly evident, is a hot fucking mess.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:13 PM
oh, dude, you didn’t say Rogers sucked, I’m not saying that at all. This is what you did. Ready?
You heard a stat on the radio spewed out by Cowherd. It’s an utterly overblown stat (QB wins in close games, as evidenced above by Lisk), somebody tweeted you a second stat, and you ran with a post.
Lisk read the post, and it inspired him to write this post. You didn’t say Rodgers sucked, but you were baffled that good quarterbacks lose close games, and you intimated that this required an explanation from Packers fans.
If you don’t think this post is a direct result of that one liner, then I don’t know what to tell you. Oh, yeah, I do. Just go to your one liner and do a CRTL-F for Jason Lisk’s comments.
so where do we stand here TBL? Are we leaving it at this, are we threatening, or are we putting me in a timeout? Since I’ve obviously become a problem, with my swings and misses lately. Just don’t say I’m jealous about the money, and you sure as hell can’t say I’ve changed. I’ve always been like this.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:15 PM
and you sure as hell can’t say I’ve changed. I’ve always been like this.
This.
/don’t ban Dirt. God made Dirt and Dirt don’t hurt.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Nice to have an early Mike Sims-Walker sighting this week.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Marcedes Lewis is really coming on. Becoming an elite TE.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Nobody’s holding a gun to your head, man …
this shit’s pretty addictive, especially given my circumstances.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:16 PM
Looks like there is a fat drunk Jaguar version of fireman Ed.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:18 PM
That’s a no call
October 18th, 2010 at 9:18 PM
blatant PI on the Titans. – bullshit call.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:18 PM
That’s offensive PI? I don’t think it should have been a flag either way.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:18 PM
That should be a no-call
October 18th, 2010 at 9:18 PM
bad PI call. looked like contact both ways.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:19 PM
There’s a meme hiding somewhere in all the Rodgers record in close games talk. And it’s a big one.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:19 PM
If the point of the Rodgers post wasn’t to question his ability to win close games, or lay a lot of that blame at his feet, then what was it? Maybe it was just to say “here’s a weird stat”, but that’s not how it came across.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:20 PM
I wonder how Lee feels pitching against the Yankees since they are his most likely destination in the off season. He is probably going to whoever gives him the most money (or has the best school system) and the yankees are going to make a play for him.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:20 PM
Third and long is a bad place to be against the Titans pass rush. At least they got back some of the field position.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:21 PM
As a Packer and Rodgers hater that was my favorite post of the day, besides the excellent Lisk helmet to helmet.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:21 PM
I’m not watching the game. Because, ya know, it’s Jags-Titans. But judging from the comments here that PI call was right on the money.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:21 PM
also, while I can still say it, Letestu for Calder.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Swisher with a really good ab right now.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:22 PM
If the point of the Rodgers post wasn’t to question his ability to win close games, or lay a lot of that blame at his feet, then what was it? Maybe it was just to say “here’s a weird stat”, but that’s not how it came across.
This is right on the money, right here.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:22 PM
Nevermind. God damn it, Cliff Lee is fucking good.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Undertaker/Kane in a main event match – what is this 1998?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:23 PM
Don’t get any ideas Jack.
/grabs box of Depends
October 18th, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Dirt Miami cut your boy Bobby Carpenter.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:24 PM
I’d go for it here on 4th and 3 – but Jack Del Rio knows best.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:24 PM
And miss Fisher’s awesome mustache?
Im not saying hes not a good coach, but I dont understand why is considered one of the best in the league and has such great job security, especially since he has only gotten to the Super Bowl once.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:24 PM
unfortunately, I cannot control how posts are perceived.
Fun stat. That’s all.
If I’m starting a team I’d take Aaron Rodgers over Eli Manning, records be damned.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:25 PM
And Tex gets on base, buh bye perfecto.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:25 PM
also, while I can still say it, Letestu for Calder.
John Carlson or Tyler Ennis.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:25 PM
That a boy.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:26 PM
neither of them is leading all rookies in goals, assists and points. (at the moment)
October 18th, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Just be happy Triple H has not found a way to worm his way into it.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Wait Vince Young got benched?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:26 PM
Oh, hurt. Nevermind
October 18th, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Did you know Cliff Lee has a no-no going through 4. He has a no hitter through 4 innings. CLIFF LEE IS PITCHING A NO HITTER!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 9:27 PM
That’ll happen soon enough
October 18th, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Or, i could forward you our last email exchanged: He cited the Young stat, and I emailed him back, I’d love to see a post on that.
but keep guessing, by all means.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:28 PM
neither of them is leading all rookies in goals, assists and points. (at the moment)
Think Carlson has most assist by a rookie?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:28 PM
HA! +1
/Huge HHH Hater
/AKA HHHHH
October 18th, 2010 at 9:28 PM
Would you take Aaron Rodgers over Mark Sanchez?
unfortunately, I cannot control how posts are perceived.
You can try. And I happen to think you can control how they’re perceived. Or at least attempt to in the comments. That thread spoke volumes.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Pens finish off a 5-2 blowout of Ottawa, and it wasn’t that close
October 18th, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Although I’m rooting for the Yankees – not that I like them but once they lose, it’s almost anti climatic (don’t want a Texas-SF World Series) – I hope Lee shuts them out.
When Lee was on the trading block, all the Yankee fans were saying don’t give anything for Lee, we’ll get him for nothing in the offseason. Then their starting pitching went to shit as the season went on
October 18th, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Triple H is apparently “executive senior advisor” and has his own office at WWE headquarters. I can only imagine how much the rest of the guys hate him.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Did you know Cliff Lee has a no-no going through 4. He has a no hitter through 4 innings. CLIFF LEE IS PITCHING A NO HITTER!!!
Stop. Just stop. Just deal with it.
/WHERE’S THE SUPER BOWL PARTY AT?!?! YOUR PAD OR MINE??!!
October 18th, 2010 at 9:31 PM
a graphic on the Pens game said Letestu did, but they could have been wrong.
Girardi just said Pettite was pitching as well as Cliff Lee. I didn’t know a fundamental property of adult braces was to sap brain cells.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:31 PM
that’s a helmet-to-helmet, indeed. the helmets of Cowherd & Bedard, which is where the post sprang from.
the thought that I was hammering Rodgers for this is high comedy.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Maybe it was just to say “here’s a weird stat”, but that’s not how it came across.
unfortunately, I cannot control how posts are perceived.
Fun stat. That’s all.
If I’m starting a team I’d take Aaron Rodgers over Eli Manning, records be damned.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:32 PM
My favorite Triple H finishing move, The Knife In The Back.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:32 PM
BTW: who had Clay Davis popping up and being the one to off Katherine Rhumor? That took me by surprise.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
I’m trying to jinx him. I’m trying to do anything to get an advantage on him. I’m making a voodoo doll as we type.
I was thinking 1Oak or Avenue. Somewhere with a tough door.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
uh, go fuck yourself.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
in my experiences, it’s wrong/a waste of time to think of ‘what the comments will be like.’
Rodgers is in his 3rd year as a starter … ask me this again 5 weeks into next year.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:33 PM
Call out James HArrison, Jaws. Call that scumbag out on live TV.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
That’s Garrard to a T. Fuck.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
no, hurt. knee.
return questionable
October 18th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Triple H is married to the bosses daughter and will be the “vince M” once Vince steps down when his wife is elected senator
October 18th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
that was fucking terrible.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
INT – that’s a start
/needs 38 points from TEN D and C. Johnson in one league
//needs C. Johnson and Bironas to outpoint MJD and Scobee in another
October 18th, 2010 at 9:35 PM
TBL: You threw a line in the water, and came away with a haul. Lets leave it at that.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:35 PM
Could this be the game where Collins is the best QB on the field?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:36 PM
Tbl: PLEASE get a mobile site!
I decide to try and post a thought out comment, so i copy & paste, then, as i try to then italicize, i hit the wrong button and it posts. Fuck it.
/back to twitter
October 18th, 2010 at 9:36 PM
That already happened when PIT played TEN in Week 2 with Dixon/Batch
October 18th, 2010 at 9:36 PM
I can’t bring myself to root against the Jags, but dammit, they need to draft a QB next year.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:37 PM
please pick 6 here.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Could this be the game where Collins is the best QB on the field?
See Comment #61
October 18th, 2010 at 9:38 PM
Gruden clearly didn’t read Lisk’s post on CJ’s short yardage runs lowering his average/carry.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:39 PM
Rodgers is in his 3rd year as a starter … ask me this again 5 weeks into next year.
But then Rodgers will be in his 4th year as a starter.
in my experiences, it’s wrong/a waste of time to think of ‘what the comments will be like.’
Not the comments. Perception. Of the reader. Reading that packer post, the perception most of us got is pretty obvious. Then, if necessary, clarify in the comments. But what do I know……
October 18th, 2010 at 9:40 PM
fuck. I hate the Titans, Kerry Collins and Mustache Fisher.
/Fuck Del Rio too.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Thats right, I did not think about that. Would V nce have to step down though? I thought she was going to for governor. I can not see at the end of the day people for voting for a McMahon to run the state though.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:40 PM
Wait Vince Young got benched?
no, hurt. knee.
Hmmm……… I call bullshit.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:41 PM
finally. a hit.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:41 PM
Ernie Johnson just called that first hit like it was the game winning hit
October 18th, 2010 at 9:41 PM
/takes a bow
October 18th, 2010 at 9:42 PM
/Fuck Del Rio too.
Co-sign.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:42 PM
a reader once told me I’m “fishing with dynamite” which i found comical.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:42 PM
Time for the Grandy-man to strike out.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:43 PM
well if it’s addictive, we’re doing our job
October 18th, 2010 at 9:44 PM
When is the last time the Yankees were an underdog in a game in the postseason to an AL team other than the Red Sox? Can Lisk look this up, too? Yanks were at +102 right before first pitch.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:44 PM
My company does stream surveys for the coal companies – they literally fish with electricity. Mild current in the water paralyzes the fish, they float to the surface, we count them and a few minutes later they’re fine.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:44 PM
Vince McMahon will never EVER step down. He’s there until he’s a vegetable or he dies.
I always underestimate Tennessee’s D. They look like nothing on paper but they’re solid this year. I know it’s Jacksonville, but its a divisional road game, always tough.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:44 PM
Knew that was coming.
/Tigers fan
October 18th, 2010 at 9:45 PM
I always underestimate Tennessee’s D.
Up 14-0, they are just going to bring the heat now. Similar to Whales Vagina and Philly.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Maybe he can become undead like Al Davis and remain in charge forever.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:46 PM
i can’t be the only one wondering, “THESE GUYS BEAT THE COLTS??”
October 18th, 2010 at 9:46 PM
fuck. the rout is about to be on.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:46 PM
Do I hear Trent Edwards’ music?
/kill me
October 18th, 2010 at 9:47 PM
I didn’t believe the guy in the commercial as soon as he got to “I actually had a girlfriend” (who was a Boston fan)
October 18th, 2010 at 9:47 PM
IIRC Colts had some turnovers in that game that totally swung the momentum and killed scoring drives.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:48 PM
I have zero interest in this NASCAR 30 for 30.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:48 PM
IIRC Colts had some turnovers in that game that totally swung the momentum and killed scoring drives.
Red zone fumble + red zone interception.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Ernie Johnson just called that first hit like it was the game winning hit
Taking tips from Joe Buck, I see…
October 18th, 2010 at 9:48 PM
SCREW YOU, YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 9:50 PM
on the road I bet they were quite a few times. At home I know it was 04 (or maybe 03) when it was Pedro v. Lieber. Which obviously is the Sox.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:51 PM
Gee-zeus you on twitter? follow me and I’ll follow you.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:52 PM
I have zero interest in this NASCAR 30 for 30.
That guy was probably gay. In NASCAR, no less. Though I think it’s being done by NASCAR films or some shit, so they might wuss out on that.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:52 PM
Pick that flag up
October 18th, 2010 at 9:52 PM
Were they not underdogs to Lee last season when he was with Philly?
October 18th, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Ok, never mind, but still… Fuck the Titans and Kerry Collins
October 18th, 2010 at 9:53 PM
I can’t be the only one befuddled that Ernie Friggin Johnson is calling playoff baseball? And he hasn’t been half bad.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:53 PM
Gee-zeus you on twitter? follow me and I’ll follow you.
I broke down last week and finally started. Done.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:53 PM
i can’t be the only one wondering, “THESE GUYS BEAT THE COLTS??”
BSanders said the same thing Feb 8.
/Hanger on’d
October 18th, 2010 at 9:54 PM
Enough of this Ringer crap, put Johnson in. I need some TDs
October 18th, 2010 at 9:54 PM
wow. Jags are making Kerry Collins look competant.
Kanga-Roos is containing Kampman.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:54 PM
Gee-zeus you on twitter? follow me and I’ll follow you.
How cute.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:55 PM
Couldn’t agree more.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:56 PM
Trent Edwards warming up on the sidelines.
/going to take a nap on the highway
October 18th, 2010 at 9:57 PM
Were the yankees underdogs to the Angels last season in the playoffs? The Angels always kicked their asses during the regular season, but then that was when Torre was the manager
October 18th, 2010 at 9:58 PM
Damn, Chuck Cecil is dirty
October 18th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Philly is not in the AL. I don’t know if they were dogs to the Indians or Tigers in those series. Definitely not the Angels or Twins, that I know for a fact.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
SCREW YOU, YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!
But you’ll be back in two months when some wrestler I’m feuding with becomes “GM for a week” and hires you back.
/As the seasons roll on by…
October 18th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
I love the Titans, was an Oiler fan way back in the day and followed them when they moved up to Nashville.
/there, I said it.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Jags can’t be this bad.. Holy shit it’s trent edwards
October 18th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Jim Scwartz>Chuck Cecil
anybody but kyle boller and drew stanton>trent edwards.
/Time for a big comeback
//not really.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:00 PM
And Javon Ringer
/Actually met him a couple times, was a nice guy
//But fuck MSU
October 18th, 2010 at 10:00 PM
with Trent Edwards entering this game, this is me checking out.
Lost wager. Likely a fantasy loss (unless Britt gets 7 points).
Yankees losing.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:01 PM
Strangely, though, I now live about an hour north of J-ville and like the Jags too.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:02 PM
Gruden superlative No. 2 “He just got hit harder than he ever did in Buffalo”
October 18th, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Technically, that’s not a superlative. It’s hyperbole.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Sorry, fetch.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:04 PM
Edwards at least looks decent. Garrard was doing nothing.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Guess Garrard’s wife didn’t watch enough tape of the Titans.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:05 PM
during the pregame, gruden said that mjd has the lower body strength of earl campbell and the shiftiness/balance of barry sanders.
good timing with the chuck cecil spearing montage
October 18th, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Kerry Collins/Trent Edwards, sizzle rating of minus infinity.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Del Rio – what was that play call?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:06 PM
Gruden comes with No. 3 right away “Cortland Finnegan is the most courageous DB in the league.”
October 18th, 2010 at 10:06 PM
I meant last time Yankees were a home dog, obviously. I went back to 2006 and couldn’t find one. Need a magical betting site.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Marcedes Lewis is legit. Mike have to trade in my Reggie Williams jersey for a Marcedes.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Edwards looks pretty salty.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:07 PM
Superlative – excessive or exaggerated. Same as hyperbole
October 18th, 2010 at 10:08 PM
Marcedes Lewis is legit. Mike have to trade in my Reggie Williams jersey for a Marcedes.
/called in a post before the season started
//pats self on back
///realized that is the Jags highlight of the first half
////vomits
/////grabs another beer
October 18th, 2010 at 10:08 PM
If Dirk Koetter could figure out how to incorporate Lewis into his “offense”—the Jags would be dangerous.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:10 PM
NO!!!! jinxed Marcedes.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:11 PM
I’m pretty sure that a superlative only refers to something in a positive way. But, I know what you mean.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:11 PM
At least the Oilers are good.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:11 PM
This is happening right now.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:12 PM
John Gruden basically praising Del Rio for knowing he can’t challenge inside of 2 minutes.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:13 PM
It’s WAY more interesting than baseball
/hyperbolized
October 18th, 2010 at 10:14 PM
What?? Are you saying a sports blog is no place for two gentlemen of intellect to parse the English language???
October 18th, 2010 at 10:17 PM
I’m pretty sure that Berman’s hair comes in a spray can.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:19 PM
True, I enjoyed grammar more than statistics in high school.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:28 PM
Will the real Trent Edwards please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:28 PM
Trent really wanted that pick 6, ref c’mon!
October 18th, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Pass Interference is a plague upon this land.
/only still watching to see Trent Edwards fail
October 18th, 2010 at 10:41 PM
Watch the for the endzone pick.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:42 PM
*Too many the’s
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 PM
Well how many coaches in the league do you think actually do know this?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:45 PM
y’all are some thugs
October 18th, 2010 at 10:46 PM
We had Cliff Lee and Sabathia? How the FUCK didn’t we win anything?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:49 PM
The CC in CC Sabastia stands for Christopher Columbus. Did not know that.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:50 PM
If the Phillies had kept Lee and his (relatively) paltry 8 million dollar salary, the post season would probably be a foregone conclusion
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 PM
thought it was Corpulent Conundrum
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Why did they trade him exactly? Where they worried about not being able to sign him when he became a free agent?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:55 PM
thought it was Corpulent Conundrum
You leave Carston Charles alone.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:55 PM
Cornholio, I guess that was the reason but he’s cheap this year, why not at least be dominant this year and if you lose him, you get some comp picks at least. It seemed like a strange reason to me. There was no downside to keeping him even if he left.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Why did they trade him exactly? Where they worried about not being able to sign him when he became a free agent?
1. They claimed they needed to restock the farm system.
2. They claimed he wasn’t in their budget.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:58 PM
TST, but they were paying Blanton at least as much – probably Moyer too. At the prospects they got for him supposedly weren’t that good
October 18th, 2010 at 10:59 PM
ah don’t pinch run Borbon for Guerrero. Damnit.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:00 PM
TST, but they were paying Blanton at least as much – probably Moyer too. At the prospects they got for him supposedly weren’t that good
well yeah, but no one was taking those contracts off their hands. And yes the prospects suck it appears (and are almost universally considered less valuable than what they gave up for Oswalt, which they wouldn’t have done had they kept Lee). But those were the two reasons they gave for the decision.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:00 PM
That’s game.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Jeff Reardon looks hilarious in Due Date.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 PM
I’m guessing that wasn’t backed up by any baserunning stats.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Well maybe Seattle told them that the hitters they were giving up were better than some of Seattle’s hitters in their major league lineup/rim shot
October 18th, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Once again Fuck Del Rio and fuck whoever is the Jags DC – owned by 94 year old kerry collins.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Jeff Reardon – that’s who the SF closer looks like (well closest you can come I guess)
October 18th, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Once again Fuck Del Rio and fuck whoever is the Jags DC
Fuck Del Rio, Koetter, Mel Tucker (DC). Time to clean house.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Carousel music playing at Yankee Stadium. The Rangers just keep going round and round…
October 18th, 2010 at 11:06 PM
Love the pained gasps of the crowd. Goddamn the Rangers for not being up three games now.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
Trent Edwards looks decent when not throwing terrible picks. That fumble at the end of the second was a killer.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
Cliff Lee v. Roy Halladay – Game 1 of the WS? Would be epic.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
boooo bad spot!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
This. Fuck.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 PM
if all stays staus quo, i go 2-0 tonight. under 7 in baseball and titans minus 3
/hold yer applause
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 PM
That fumble at the end of the second was a killer.
The fumble and the offensive PI penalty early.
/it probably wasn’t a penalty
//Trent Edwards looking ok in mop up duty
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 PM
4th and a millimeter.
But I’m with Gruden why no hurry up?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:11 PM
I need another TO or at least a hold to stay alive in my fantasy matchup. If Jax scores again I’ll lose too many points to catch up.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:11 PM
clap-clap-clapclapclap.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:12 PM
I want to taste Jersey’s tears of infinite sadness.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Del Rio trying to cover +14 or has Jones-Drew in his fantasy league
October 18th, 2010 at 11:12 PM
I have no idea what Koetter is calling. You are down by 20, what’s the harm in throwing the ball?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:12 PM
Save some of these for tomorrow night!
And, what was Girardi doing? He pretty much gave up as soon as the Rangers scored 2 runs. He’ll get killed in the morning for that.
/What’s the Daily News headline?
//I’ve got “Soon-to-be Yankee Lee Dominates”
October 18th, 2010 at 11:12 PM
fuck. why wasn’t 3-0 enough? a wash of a night then, unless they hold at 7-0
October 18th, 2010 at 11:13 PM
what the hell is Del Rio doing – Jags have wasted about 3 minutes of precious time on this drive.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Go for it.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 PM
Let’s hope you didn’t put much on the baseball, rook.
/Don’t ever talk about your winnings’d
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 PM
down 23-3, with less than 8 minutes to go, no time is precious, jhs
/so profound
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 PM
OK – that helps! Now if CJ could rip one off for 80 yards I’ll go to bed a happy man.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 PM
well that was just terrible. Fire Del Rio now. have a robot coach the team or something.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Defender wanted the ball more there.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
the game tomorrow might be 10-10 with Burnett v. Hunter
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
Let’s hope you didn’t put much on the baseball, rook.
/Don’t ever talk about your winnings’d
ok, veteran (and i’m guessing well-off) gambler
October 18th, 2010 at 11:18 PM
Roastbeast, Fetch just gave you the over for tommorow. CJ is notorious for breaking long runs while running out the clock
October 18th, 2010 at 11:19 PM
Ahhhh. Young grasshoppa has some sense, afterall!
Sorry, beast. Watching the Yankees get it handed to them at home is just too dam beautiful for me to sit quietly. Tough break, seriously. And I’d be pissed at Girardi for mailing in the 9th too.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:19 PM
CJ is notorious for breaking long runs while running out the clock
cracker jack?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 PM
I feel bad for MJD, by the time they build up the roster enough, he is going to be beat up.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 PM
I somehow need 8.5 points in the last 2 minutes.
/knows no one cares
//will at least easily win TEN -3 tonight
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 PM
no worries ww–i’ll come out ahead, having won more on tenn. than lost on under
it’s only centsports, too. my wife busted me yetserday, when i left TBL up on one of our computers and she read me discussing gambling. i laughed and sent her to centssports to check it out. it’s so cool getting caught but not getting in trouble
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 PM
From now until then all anyone in NY is going to scream about is Burnett getting the start tomorrow and how the yankees are going to loose because of him.
Fransesa must be shocked because he said the yankees will win easy because “historically” they never have a hard time with texas in the playoffs.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:22 PM
I’d like to thank Del Rio or just the whole Jags team for not going with MJD and Marcedes Lewis enough tonight. Opponent needed 12pts from those two.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:23 PM
Ron Washington is dumber than Yankee fans.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:23 PM
marriage built on trust, honesty, and her being gainfully employed
October 18th, 2010 at 11:24 PM
I’d like to punch out Jeter also
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 PM
The Post will find some way to blame A-Rod for it and News Of The World will have Steinbrenner coming back from the dead to give the team a pep talk.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:26 PM
Ron Washington is dumber than Yankee fans
ohno, he wasn;t sporting a salt-and-pepper ‘stache, was he?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:26 PM
@fetch. Wash has been painful to watch all season but somehow it is working. Go Rangers. It is 2 hours past my bedtime.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:27 PM
If Wade Phillips and Jack Del Rio had a contest of “Good coach lives, bad coach dies”, who dies first?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:28 PM
YESSS!!!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:28 PM
Whenever I hear his name all I can think about is him having these huge jerry curls on his baseball card. One of the last great jerry curls in baseball.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Cliff Lee is all kinds of great, why didn’t Philly keep him last year???
October 18th, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Just a great way to end the game. Fuck you Fisher.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:29 PM
Good call.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:30 PM
As long as JAX doesn’t score, I’ll win by 0.34
/still knows no one cares
October 18th, 2010 at 11:30 PM
God I’d love for the Yankees to win this series. At least it’s not 0-3 like it should be
October 18th, 2010 at 11:31 PM
I can’t wait for the 30 for 30 tomorrow. Should be a good one.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:32 PM
HAMILTON!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:32 PM
to be fair I have a Ron Washington sample size of 3 games, but Neftali Feliz (or his agent) should be able to sue Washington and win
October 18th, 2010 at 11:33 PM
Oh for fucks sake. I was tied coming into tonight (they had titans d I had CJ). I’m still down two after that.
/like roeth I know no one cares.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:36 PM
how about the small fact of Ron Washington leading the Rangers to their first playoff series victory? I mean, shit.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:39 PM
how about the small fact of the Rangers front-office leading the Rangers to their first playoff series victory?
i fight for truth justice and, um, i forget
October 18th, 2010 at 11:41 PM
I believe they said they couldn’t afford to sign him with their big contracts already, and coming.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:43 PM
front office? I’ve seen better teams than the Rangers lose in the postseason. Like the Rays, for example…
Why is Ron getting all this hate after a win? Tis’ bullshit.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:44 PM
Oh. So they overpaid Howard instead of keeping Lee?
k.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:44 PM
I just lost my fantasy matchup due to that garbage chris johnson TD. I’m in shock right now. Fuck you Jeff Fisher.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:45 PM
Not. A. Fan.
/subway commercials sucked
October 18th, 2010 at 11:46 PM
I think the fact that they overpaid howard prevented them from signing Lee, but then they found moola for Halliday.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:52 PM
They signed Howard’s extension well after they traded Lee. Come on 8 million for a star on a payroll of 150 million (I’m guessing) and they got crappy prospects in return. If they kept him, they would have gotten 2 compensatory picks. Look at posts 220-235
October 18th, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Why is Ron getting all this hate after a win?
no hate from me, i just think the move to acquire Lee is more important than Washington’s managing
I just lost my fantasy matchup due to that garbage chris johnson TD.
sorry to read that. garbage points are extremely painful. like late meaningless 3s, or iowa state hoops coaches who get back to back technicals leading to the opponent making all the T FTs and blowing someone’s bet.
just a couple random examples
October 18th, 2010 at 11:54 PM
eustachy. drunk muthafucka
October 19th, 2010 at 12:00 AM
oh well. rangers fans, i wrote a piece on Nelson Cruz in 2004 or so, when he was on the A’s low Class A club. if you care, click my name and it shouldbe easy to find
October 19th, 2010 at 12:05 AM
fuck the NFL for changing the rules towards an offensive-only league. they’ve made it almost impossible to play pass defense. any other league would fold under such inept leadership.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:08 AM
they’ve made it almost impossible to play pass defense
even when you root for a team, whether from yer heart or wallet, you feel dirty when you get a PI call that’s ticky-tack. plus the asinine spot-of-the-foul penalty may be the worst consequence in sports
October 19th, 2010 at 12:10 AM
high comedy matt millen trying to push the “non-football pencilpushers making football decisions” argument.
Where exactly is his credibility coming from?
October 19th, 2010 at 12:13 AM
cause of his horrendous bullpen management
October 19th, 2010 at 12:15 AM
It’s ticky-tack, I’ll give you that. But alternative is much worse. If you start giving 10 yard penalty for that kind of play, you can say goodbye to long passes.
I don’t think league putting offense first is the travesty that lot of you guys make it out to be. League is more popular than ever. If I’m running that business, I know my bread and butter comes from offense, so damn right I’ll be biased toward it.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:16 AM
I think the fact that they overpaid howard prevented them from signing Lee, but then they found moola for Halliday.
Everything about this, down to the spelling of Roy Halladay’s name, is factually incorrect.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:18 AM
If you start giving 10 yard penalty for that kind of play, you can say goodbye to long passes.
no, i think 15, but create a 20. for fuck’s sake, the bears got 58 yards on one yesterday. why would it discourage long passes? i hardly think most teams throw those for the likelihood of a PI call. quick strikes, matchups, stretching field to keep D on toes, etc.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Everything about this, down to the spelling of Roy Halladay’s name, is factually incorrect.
i feel the need to C&P that which makes me guffaw
October 19th, 2010 at 12:19 AM
it just bothers the fuck out of me that the NFL gets a pass for shit like this. let’s just take the gloves away from MLB players, reduce the game to five innings and make this thing strictly offensive.
October 19th, 2010 at 12:22 AM
It’s ticky-tack, I’ll give you that. But alternative is much worse. If you start giving 10 yard penalty for that kind of play, you can say goodbye to long passes.
the penalty rewards under-thrown passes, ’nuff said.
October 19th, 2010 at 2:19 AM
So will we get a breakdown from Lisk and or Duffy as to why Monday Night Football has sucked this year?
October 19th, 2010 at 3:47 AM
Everything about this, down to the spelling of Roy Halladay’s name, is factually incorrect.
i feel the need to C&P that which makes me guffaw
Me too.
October 19th, 2010 at 7:44 AM
I always was under the impression CC stood for Cotton Candy, no?
October 19th, 2010 at 7:51 AM
Cookie Crisp
October 19th, 2010 at 8:07 AM
Corpulent Carnivore