James Harrison’s Cowardly Helmet Shots Do Not Represent Real Football
The NFL is going to have another Darryl Stingley incident if it does not swiftly disincentive the helmet shots we saw on Sunday. DeSean Jackson may be out for a while after suffering a serious concussion. Brandon Meriweather hit Todd Heap after an incomplete pass by launching himself helmet first at Heap, in what is – at best – a completely reckless act. The story of the day, though, is James Harrison. He knocked both Joshua Cribbs and Mohamed Massaquoiout of the game with head injuries, twice leading with his helmet on vicious hits.
Let me clear one thing out of the way, both of those hits should be considered illegal pursuant to Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8(f), and should have been penalized on the field. I’ve seen reference on some comments that the hit on Cribbs was perfectly legal because he was running. That is not true. You can have unnecessary roughness penalty by leading with the helmet even if it is a runner who is not considered defenseless (forward progress stopped or held up). The rule provides for a penalty “if a player uses any part of his helmet . . . to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.” The rule goes on to say that “although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet or facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention to administering this rule to protect players in virtually defenseless postures . . .” (emphasis mine).
I suppose the term “violently or unnecessarily” is subject to interpretation, though I suspect most unbiased observers would agree that what Harrison did on both hits qualifies. He lowered his arms into his body and clearly went in head first on Cribbs, when he could have wrapped him up with a textbook “real football” tackle instead, and then, with his arms tucked into his body, launched himself at Massaquoi (who does meet the definition of defenseless posture) with his helmet, rather than again using his arms and chest to make a clean hit.
As I often like to do in situations like this where people make claims that what Harrison did was how the game is played, or that we are wussifying the sport when we decry plays like these, I try to look through the archives to search for truth. I have no doubt that people have perpetrated hits like this many times in the past. What I don’t find, though, is any evidence that this was ever considered an accepted and praised part of the game. Soon after helmets (plastic ones with facemasks, not the leather ones) came into play, their use as a weapon was questioned and villified. For example, this article from 1955 asking if the “armor did more harm than good”, or this one from 1961 discussing the rise in player deaths at the high school and college level, mostly from increased head trauma. Interestingly, in light of yesterday’s non-penalties, is this quote from a 1962 piece: “Blame has been put on officials, who have been charged with being lax and permissive . . . ‘failure to call unnecessary roughness penalty leaves the kids with the impression that officials condone it.’”
Those hits were only the beginning, though. After the game, Harrison commented that “[y]ou hate to see anyone down like that, but then you realize he just went to sleep for a little bit and he came out of it and he’s going to be OK,” and later, “[t]hat’s football.” No, it is not football, contrary to what he and his slightly biased head coach might say. Putting his “head across the bow” (as Harrison also stated) should not be an acceptable part of the game.
I am curious to see the league’s response to what happened yesterday. Players respond to incentives, positive and negative, and the incentives in this case need to be sufficiently meaningful to change behavior. I’m in favor of suspension, particularly for repeated acts. My curiousity in how the league views this is not just as someone who writes about the league, but also as someone who has a son who is getting into playing sports. If Commissioner Goodell is serious about enforcing things like the integrity and image of the game, then these types of hits are far more serious for the league’s future than a suspension for an individual player’s off-field behavior. If this style of play is implicitly condoned and not met with swift and strong statements from the sport’s highest levels, I know one dad who will not promote this sport as an option. Players put their health at risk all the time in this game and things happen, but tucking your arms in and leading with the helmet twice to take players out is the opposite of manly; it is cowardly and despicable. [photos via Getty]

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October 18th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
What a moron.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
(stands and applauds)
Mr. Harrison, you sir, are a dirty bastard.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
But its the Steelers! The model organization for football! I’m sure the Rooneys won’t stand for this type of behavior.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Harrison isn’t gonna change. Dude beats his wife, he’s set in his ways.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
Looked clean to me.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
That one has to be the winner of dumbass quote of the year.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Direct quote as is from MMQB:
October 18th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
2nd hit was dirty
October 18th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Another large aspect to this problem is that it’s become not only accepted, but encouraged by football culture at large. There’s a “Jacked Up” segment on Monday Night Countdown, a “Hit Stick” in Madden, and people getting lit up makes endless highlight reels. Hell, there was even a video on here of some 6 year old kid blasting another kid, head down and all.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Great post, I wonder if there’s any long-term risk to the league by way of parents not wanting their kids to play football and thus draining the talent pool to a degree
October 18th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
the fans probably love dirty players since they cheered for someone like big ben.
i loved the CBS shot of women holding up a “We <3 Big Ben" sign. Shows they are DTF.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
It would be hypocritical of me to say that I don’t enjoy the physicality of football. But there is no place for shots like these.
I’m not convinced that a suspension is going to be a major deterrent for some of these guys. Eric Smith (as an example) got suspended for hitting Boldin and yet went helmet on helmet against Welker this year.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Even watch high school football. No one cares about tackling anymore, just about trying to make a big hit.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
$50k fine for the game?
In addition to the obvious (and more important) health concerns, I hate seeing my team do this because when you miss or bounce off the ball carrier, and he runs for an extra 80 yards, you look like an idiot. Head up, wrap up, and bring him down. How hard is that?
It does seem like we are seeing these plays increase so far this year? Coincidence?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
As someone who watches Aaron Rodgers each week I was to understand that hitting guys helmet-to-helmet wasn’t a flag-worthy offense…the Dolphins landed yet another one on him yesterday
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
There will be payback!
/not sure we have anyone on the team who can or will…..boo
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
but if they had written into the rules suspensions that increase in length for each offense it would change the minds of the players a little bit.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Harrison should be suspended.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Doubt it. Youth soccer always boasts big numbers, but no one gives a shit about pro soccer in the states. Not that I’m ever going to have kids or anything, but I couldn’t imagine telling them they couldn’t play football if they wanted to. Parents….how do you handle it?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
hes on the fast track to steelers hof
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Last night’s game was a tackling abortion. Not sure anyone was brought down by the first defender.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
That’s just the roiders at Bergen Catholic.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
I half expected Harrison to climb up to the top rope and give Massaquoi the Chris Benoit diving headbutt. Blatantly ridiculous shot.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
I’m going to say “there is no fucking way in hell you are playing football because I don’t want you to get paralyzed”
October 18th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Also, the Robinson hit on Jackson is a perfect example of the rules not going far enough. Technically, the only thing illegal about that was that Jackson was defenseless, which is about as subjective as it gets. Robinson led with his shoulder, but there was no attempt to wrap him up, only an effort to knock the snot out of him. It got him 15 yards, and might lead to a fine, but that’s not going to change the way he makes that play in the future.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Not sure anyone was brought down by the first defender
Addai, London Fletcher?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
but if they had written into the rules suspensions that increase in length for each offense it would change the minds of the players a little bit.
I can get on board with this. Different sport, but the NHL has tried imposing additional punishment for repeat offenders, it hasn’t seemed to stopped them from offending.
Jersey is onto something above, kids are going to emulate college/pro athletes if they aren’t taught the correct way to tackle.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
This is the funniest thing I will read all week.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
I wonder if there’s any long-term risk to the league by way of parents not wanting their kids to play football and thus draining the talent pool to a degree
Don’t worry. The people who think like that probably don’t produce kids who would be good enough to play in the NFL anyway.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Don’t forget the throat slash.
It would be nice to see officials call more of these penalties and less of some of the cheese dick ones they call in regards to roughing the passer. It might slow the game down, but I think those calls should be reviewable. Some real poor officiating this season.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Well, he’s going to die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. So there’s that.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
It’s easy. My son starts high school next year and there is zero chance he is playing and I’ve told him this already. He’s protested but after seeing the hits yesterday, I think he’s starting to understand why. He can get his fill of contact sports from hockey and wrestling.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Do they still have that? I don’t watch MNC much anymore, but I thought they pulled the segment a couple of years ago specifically for this reason.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Jersey is onto something above, kids are going to emulate college/pro athletes if they aren’t taught the correct way to tackle.
Let’s not let a little thing called fundamentals get in the way!
Blocking & Tackling are the roots
October 18th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
I’m going to say “there is no fucking way in hell you are playing football because I don’t want you to get paralyzed”
This, then he will get dressed up in his hockey equipment.
/just going to cover him in bubble wrap
October 18th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
I just don’t get it. And it’s common sense too. Wrapping up and tackling is more effective then the kill shot. And haven’t any of the guys seen enough videos of people who’s last tackle was also the last time they were on their feet?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
“Head up, wrap up, and bring him down” is not the rule anymore. In some little leagues you MUST use the shoulder. I was taught to put my facemask into the sternum – if the ball-carrier tries to side-step, you’re center.
Now they force the kids to use a shoulder meaning you’re committing your center of gravity to one side or the other of the ball carrier. Also, some kids hear this, try to use the top of their shoulder pad, and end up putting their head down.
I tell my kid facemask to the sternum every time.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
Even my wife screamed toss him out of the game after the Mo-Mass helmet crash.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
Tom Emanski with a football video?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
my dad is the paramedic that transported Marc Buoniconti to the hospital when he was paralyzed in college (playing for the Citadel at ETSU). I was almost 4 and my mom said that day that neither me nor my brothers would ever play football, and we never did.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Great post, I wonder if there’s any long-term risk to the league by way of parents not wanting their kids to play football and thus draining the talent pool to a degree
Good, maybe we can get the heavyweight championship of the world back in the US in 20 years or so…
And while I’m here: James Harrison can join my list of folks who need to catch “The Herp.”
Wait a sec…Rodney HARRISON, James HARRISON, the HARRIS Poll…”Harris” must be Dutch for “raging asshole”*
*=Warning, “Harris” may or may not be Dutch.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Head on a swivel faggy wideouts.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
This is the whole Pittsburgh’s D’s MO. This is not isolated. Watch them enxt week, if a ball carrier is wrapped and there’s even a shred of color showing expect Timmon, harrison or clark to come in and put a hat on him. They’re clearly being coached to ‘gang’ tackle. It’s almost as bad as Baltimore was a few years back. Suspensions need to happen.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
We should just play football in cyborg outfits. I’m picturing Bill Laimbeer’s Combat Basketball.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Looking back, my parents probably shouldn’t have let me play football before at least age 13, when all the shit in your skull is settled. It really is extremely dangerous prior to that. And afterward, obviously.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
tj ward gets a 15k fine for hitting shipley in the endzone a few weeks ago…by that standard mr harrison is looking at least a 30k fine right?
I thought I heard Rodney Harrison say last night is the only way to teach these guys a lesson is to suspend them…doubtful it will happen
October 18th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Head on a swivel faggy wideouts.
Any chance you are on Twitter? I just don’t want to chance missing any more thought provoking commentary from you.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Nice! That was a horrible, horrible game though. Good idea at the time, but not a good game.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
This is the whole Pittsburgh’s D’s MO
agree. roids dont help the cause
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Obligatory
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
My mom saw me play football once in my entire life. I remember making a play, and hearing her yell. She left after the 1st qtr and sent me a text saying “I can’t watch you play. I am happy it is over.”
October 18th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Both of those hits by Harrison were dirty. He should be fined and suspended for at least one game.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
How about Professional ” Kill The Man”?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
As I was leaving this morning, I had Mike & Mike on and Cris Carter was on. While talking about this hit, CC actually said that he’d rather get hit there instead of his midsection, because a midsection hit can cause longer term damage. The sheer stupidity of that as mind-boggling.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Tom Emanski with a football video?
Obligatory
If the phrase, “back-to-back-to-back championships” is not used, I refuse to click….
October 18th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
She left after the 1st qtr and sent me a text saying “I can’t watch you play. I am happy it is over.”
A Text? Jersey are you even old enough to drink?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
If the phrase, “back-to-back-to-back championships” is not used, I refuse to click….
It is. No Fred McGriff though sadly.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
My mom saw me play football once in my entire life. I remember making a play, and hearing her yell. She left after the 1st qtr and sent me a text saying “I can’t watch you play. I am happy it is over.”
Ha. My mom was similar, she watched me play hockey until junior. After the first fight she said she couldn’t watch anymore.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
As tackling has gone down in quality across the league and the rise of “Highlight Reel Hits” has gone up, it’s no surprise dirty hits like Harrison’s are the sought-after prize for most defenders. The defense that “this is real football” is often their only excuse.
Suspend his ass for 2 games. He does it again, then it’s 4. Again, it’s 8. Players respond to negative feedback faster than positive. Missing games and losing your spot to someone else will get their attention in a way a fine never will.
Doubt it. Youth soccer always boasts big numbers, but no one gives a shit about pro soccer in the states. Not that I’m ever going to have kids or anything, but I couldn’t imagine telling them they couldn’t play football if they wanted to.
Kids often go with the cultural flow of their peers. At about 13-15, they begin to focus on the sports that they see played around them — baseball, basketball, football — and branch off towards them.
That said, I love football. But I have serious doubts I’d let any kid of mine play it competitively.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Wow. And this is why you’ll never have to worry about the talent pool being depleted.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
If the phrase, “back-to-back-to-back championships” is not used, I refuse to click
lol
October 18th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
2nd hit was dirty. honestly don’t think the first was. even if he goes in to wrap (which he didn’t), Cribbs was fighting to break a tackle and lowered his head as well.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
I said it last night, and will say it again. Randy Moss summarized it perfectly: What’s 10 grand to me? Until it gets up to real money and/or games off (which would include losing real money) players will not change.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Ha. It was 1999.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Ha. It was 2003. I’m sorry.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
BRADY SMASH
October 18th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
My mom saw me play football once in my entire life. I remember making a play, and hearing her yell. She left after the 1st qtr and sent me a text saying “I can’t watch you play. I am happy it is over.”
Ha. My mom was similar, she watched me play hockey until junior. After the first fight she said she couldn’t watch anymore.
“Momma, put these guns in the ground…I can’t shoot them anymore…”
/Obligatory’d
October 18th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
I did not know what a text message was in 1999
October 18th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
i loved the CBS shot of women holding up a “We <3 Big Ben" sign. Shows they are DTF.
I wonder if folks in Baltimore or Cleveland will be shouting “DOWN TO FUCK! DOWN TO FUCK” when Ben takes the field. Probably not.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
I’m still stunned that Bill Effing Laimbeer got his own basketball game. The modern equivalent would be Doug Mientkiewicz getting his own game.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I meant 2003. Confused the high school and 8th grade.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
this was probably mentioned but neither hit was a penalty which is amazing
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I did not know what a text message was in 1999
I just got my first e-mail address in 1999.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Ha. It was 2003. I’m sorry.
Great, I’ll be the Biden (old dude) to your Obama (young dude). And just to avoid lighting the MikeNYC signal, Cheney was older than Bush II, right?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
2 things: Cris Carter’s right. If you damage his brain how much does that really take away from Cris Carter? Also, Rodney Harrison should be considered an expert in the field of players never learning to tackle cleanly. Dirty mfer
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Game checks. Let’s say Harrison gets fined four game checks. He’s not going head hunting out there for free.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
my mom came to all my games, but never knew where the ball, or me probably, was. in baseball, after i threw a no-no (age 12), she ran onto the field right after the last out, and i stiffed her. i swear i never saw her
she’s from england
October 18th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
my mom came to all my games, but never knew where the ball, or me probably, was. in baseball, after i threw a no-no (age 12), she ran onto the field right after the last out, and i stiffed her. i swear i never saw her
she’s from england
October 18th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
i think the difference is NHL still does employ goons, right? With no other purpose than to lay the big hit it makes sense players will still do it. in football just about any starter on defense is an impact player, at least in the regard that if they miss significant time it will impact the team. i mean, just think if they did 1, 4, 8, 12, and 16 games for offenses. harrion would be missing 5 games in a very important run for the steelers. harrison may not care since people just go to sleep and wake up, but i be the coaching staff would be pissed.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
I did, however, know what a pager was.
/had one
//not a drug dealer
October 18th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
I did not know what a text message was in 1999
I just got my first e-mail address in 1999.
Christ, I’ve got abandoned geocities sites older than some of you…
October 18th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Startacs FTW!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
I did, however, know what a pager was.
/had one
//not a drug dealer
///totally a drug dealer
October 18th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Here’s my question, if Goodell even were to hand out suspensions, can the players appeal?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
im a browns fan and i don’t have any problem with either of harrison’s hits.
this isn’t pussy ass Capri Sun/orange slices/everyone gets a trophy bullshit football, it’s football. you get what you sign up for.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
I did not know what a text message was in 1999
beep me
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Here’s my question, if Goodell even were to hand out suspensions, can the players appeal?
yes
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
i think the difference is NHL still does employ goons, right? With no other purpose than to lay the big hit it makes sense players will still do it.
Some teams still do. But it’s changing, teams (ex. Detroit, Chicago) are starting to realize that having a dummy on your bench that plays 3 minutes a night is a bad strategy and a poor deterrent.
Many of the guys that are defined as ‘fighters’ now are actually reasonably good hockey players. Guys have to be able to contribute without their fists.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Ok. I just, for some reason, don’t remember Rodney appealing suspensions for dirty hits.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Guys have to be able to contribute without their fists.
Strange Brew hockey scene comes to mind
October 18th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Appeals process is probably better than baseball’s. Might be part of it.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
The YMCA does not approve of your statement.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Both my kids played football, the oldest played for two years in college, and the youngest played through high school. With the way the injuries have been increasing in severity over the last decade or two, I have to admit I was relieved when they were done. The oldest one played LB, and was concussed once or twice in high school, and once in college. I hope he has no long term effects, and thank god he never blew out a knee. The youngest one played OL, and has a giant knuckle on his ring finger to show for it. That being said, I don’t know if I would let them play again or not.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
BTW, who do I talk to at NFL headquarters to get the signal for “Horse collar tackle” changed to a ref riding an imaginary stick horse while spanking his own butt?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
i’d like to know how effective it would be. i mean, during the appeal process just show a video of the hit, make a point that it was helmet to helmet contact and it violates a rule in place, how many offenses the player has created, and show it fits with the policy in place. game over.
i’d like to see how many players would win the appeal.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Christ, I’ve got abandoned geocities sites older than some of you…
Not anymore.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Pagers, pay phone is dead.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
I actually kind of agree with this. It’s a violent fucking game and anyone who’s survived the war of attrition that is high school and college ball knows the risks or their profession.
It boils down to a total lack of respect for your fellow professionals. A lot of these guys will hug and pray together after games but will also take any opportunity to maim each other during the game if it presents itself.
It’s actually pretty sick when you really stop and think about it. It’s also wildly entertaining if you don’t think about it too much.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
I wonder if there’s any long-term risk to the league by way of parents not wanting their kids to play football and thus draining the talent pool to a degree
Don’t worry. The people who think like that probably don’t produce kids who would be good enough to play in the NFL anyway.
Do you mean parents that care about their children can’t produce athletic offspring? I’m not holding out myself as some great athlete (far from it), but my son will probably be about 6’4″ and 230 lbs based on his genetics and his age/size charts.
That said, I certainly haven’t seen any chilling effect yet. The best high school programs in my area come from middle to upper middle class areas where I would consider most parents highly educated.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
lol…that’s what immediately came to mind. +1 to you.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
lack of respect for professionals? i kinda see this as the opposite…if everyone had respect for each other, competition goes out the window.
as PROFESSIONALS, i think these kind of hits embody the word…it’s nothing personal, just the risk you run for collecting a paycheck that large for playing a game.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
this isn’t pussy ass Capri Sun/orange slices/everyone gets a trophy bullshit football, it’s football. you get what you sign up for.
your e-peen is mighty and strong
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Yeah. At the end of the day, this. It is a really dumb game to begin with, but I enjoyed playing it. I enjoy watching it.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Game checks. Let’s say Harrison gets fined four game checks. He’s not going head hunting out there for free.
better yet, cap number based fines. Don’t let the bonuses slide.
but my son will probably be about 6′4″ and 230 lbs based on his genetics and his age/size charts.
puny. My boy’s 3 feet 2, and 35 pounds.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
my e-peen realizes it would last all of 5 seconds out there and believes that professional sports isn’t a child’s game. you collect a paycheck, the stakes are raised.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
Won’t lie, I was way too much of a pussy to say this, but it is kind of how I feel.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
Respect? Ever hear what happens at the bottom of a pile?
They get there shots in when they can. Cheap or not.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
*their
October 18th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
I see where you’re coming from but I disagree. I think a healthy level of respect means you keep the objective in mind (execute tackle, stop forward progress) rather than trying to light someone up to make the highlight reel and get a chance to do you little dance.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
so you’d rather harrison just let mo-mass make that catch?
harrison has faught for every little thing he’s gotten in college and the NFL. you really think that he’s just going to turn that off so that someone doesn’t get hurt? you think that’s how you keep making a paycheck in the NFL?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Jersey: you probably didnt see, but Danny Woodhead put a block on a blitzing Ray Lewish yesterday *swoons*
October 18th, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Lewis*
October 18th, 2010 at 11:20 AM
yes, because james harrison is the flashiest, gaudiest, showboatin’-est mofo on the steelers.
if harrison had let up, i would’ve been shocked and let down.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Lewis*
It’s Raytorious now
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
It’s a fine line. Tough, hard, but fair. There’s a reason his name evokes emotions from people.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
I’ve been at the bottom of many piles. I’ve taken eye gouges and nut shots. Never felt the need to go down to that level. I did offer a couple of guys the opportunity to take off their helmets and fight like a man after the fact but I found that people that do shit on the bottom of a pile are rarely willing to take you up on that offer.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Is that really what you people call him?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
fat!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Had no idea soccer baseball was that rough of a sport.
/kidding
October 18th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
that’s his nickname because it’s a HELLUVA lot easier to say/type than mohammed massaquoi.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
It’s what they called him in college too.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
spencer, I’m guessing your view isn’t one shared by Josh Cribbs, Todd Heap, or most of the guys in an NFL locker room.
You think players don’t care about their safety or their long term health? You think they don’t want rules and equipment to protect them?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Wasn’t referring to Harrison specifically. I’m also not saying that I’m going to stop watching football because of this stuff. I already made the point that there is an assumed risk every time these guys step on the field. I’m just pointing out that it’s kind of sick on a human level. As always, sick makes for great theatre.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Respect? Ever hear what happens at the bottom of a pile?
They get there shots in when they can. Cheap or not.
I bit a guy’s finger one time. To be fair he was attempting to inflict a serious fish hook.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Oh fuck you.
I saw him make a couple plays yesterday and I still can’t believe the Jets really cut him and thought no one would pick him up.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
im sure they do. if they feel so strongly about it, they’re more than welcome to ply their trades elsewhere. they don’t HAVE to play in the NFL, do they?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Is that really what you people call him?
it sure as hell isn’t All-Pro
October 18th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
wouldn’t the nflpa have made an issue of it if it were a big deal?
perhaps defensive players have a different view than the todd heaps of the world.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
im sure they do. if they feel so strongly about it, they’re more than welcome to ply their trades elsewhere. they don’t HAVE to play in the NFL, do they?
Judging by some of the Wonderlic scores that leak out, it’s either the NFL or McDonalds.
/sarcasm
//just to be clear
October 18th, 2010 at 11:30 AM
You are on fire Spence. Please, keep preaching.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
my e-peen realizes it would last all of 5 seconds out there and believes that professional sports isn’t a child’s game. you collect a paycheck, the stakes are raised
there are risks to any enterprise we partake. That’s just life.
However, the idea that “this is football” and we’re just supposed to accept dirty actions as part of it is bullshit. And just because it’s a career for these guys doesn’t mean that there are lines that should be ignored.
Chop-blocks, blocks in the back, horse collars. They’re all illegal because they cause serious injuries. So does helmet-to-helmet.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
It’s breaking a rule that’s on record but not enforced…it’s not football, it’s cheap
October 18th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Biggest problem with the NFLPA is that it’s run by current and former NFL football players, and these guys aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. Also, none of the current guys care that Earl Campbell can’t walk, or that some of their colleagues are gonna end up with the brain functionality of Sean Penn in I Am Sam. They just skip merrily along, and hope against hope that it doesn’t happen to them.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
there are dirty actions in any walk of life that’s performed at it’s highest level…be it business, sports, military, politics, law, etc.
astro and field turf cause more injuries than grass, so where’s the outcry to force everyone to play on grass?
/perhaps that’s a reach…PERHAPS
October 18th, 2010 at 11:37 AM
I’m a lot older than most of you. I realize players are bigger, stronger and faster now, but it irritates me to see hits that were once legal become illegal. Maybe I’m just old and stuck in my ways…
October 18th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
“twice leading with his helmet on vicious hits”
What’s he going to lead with his legs? LOL…fyi they don’t wear cups in the NFL.
New rule#1: From now on, before you make a tackle, you have to yell out “Ready or not here I come!!!”
New Rule#2: From now on, you must deploy airbags in you helmet that inflate any time helmets touch each other.
It’s football man…come on. You guys are the morons. I understand that preventing head injuries is necessary for the sake of the players and the NFL, but let’s be realistic. You can’t tell a guy to watch where he places his helmet when he makes a tackle. THAT”S IMPOSSIBLE!! Has anyone of you played football before?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Tatum-Stingley happened how many years ago? Look at what’s been done? Fines and awareness…yay. The penalties should be harsher cuz it’s not going away.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
First hit was fine, second hit he was trying to hurt someone.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:44 AM
I’m a lot older than most of you. I realize players are bigger, stronger and faster now, but it irritates me to see hits that were once legal become illegal. Maybe I’m just old and stuck in my ways…
Please provide a link to when hits leading with a helmet were legal. I’m not saying that some players didn’t get away with it or that it was laxly enforced, but I don’t think spearing, butting, or other forms of driving your head into an opponent have been legal since the facemask helmet was developed.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:46 AM
I really find the pro-concussion, pro-debilitating lifetime injury stance to be weird.
You guys really are advocating that the game should not be changed, even in the smallest of ways, so that people don’t suffer injuries that can destroy their life?
Like I said, I just find that weird. Sorta psycho.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I wanna talk for a second about the Jackson hit. I think the hit should be penalized because he was hitting a defenseless receiver, but how come no one has mentioned that Kolb is the one responsible for getting him killed. He should never have thrown that pass and the way he threw it lead Desean right into that hit. Kolb just about got his receiver killed instead of just KTFO
October 18th, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Coach K: I bet as soon as the ball left Kolb’s fingers his brain yelled out I IMMEDIATELY REGRET THIS DECISION. It was a bad choice, indeed.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:56 AM
From Craig T. in All The Right Moves…” next time, go for the ball!”
October 18th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
but how come no one has mentioned that Kolb is the one responsible for getting him killed. He should never have thrown that pass and the way he threw it lead Desean right into that hit. Kolb just about got his receiver killed instead of just KTFO
Kolb was in the process of getting hit by 2 guys as he was making the pass. Pretty sure he was focused on Jackson and probably didn’t even see the defender.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:02 PM
glass yard dog is now the oldest commenter. jpq was assumed to be
October 18th, 2010 at 12:05 PM
Please provide a link to when hits leading with a helmet were legal. I’m not saying that some players didn’t get away with it or that it was laxly enforced, but I don’t think spearing, butting, or other forms of driving your head into an opponent have been legal since the facemask helmet was developed.
yeah, but they weren’t actively discouraged for a long time either. Helmet to helmet contact has only been termed illegal for a few years. Remember when Romanowski broke a QB’s jaw? That was legal, but everybody was just mad it was in the pre-season.
The NFL has legislated away a lot of stuff, but leading with the head used to be tacitly permissible, and even encouraged. Everybody always got told to hit them with your facemask.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:07 PM
glass yard dog is now the oldest commenter. jpq was assumed to be
cabbage used to be, but he quit. JPQ isn’t really that old. HTown Hacker wants the title, but he’s afraid to say his actual age.
Sounds like GYD is about JPQ’s age, just quicker to make the babies.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:09 PM
I think V4L is older than JPQ
October 18th, 2010 at 12:10 PM
she’s 44, right? Didn’t she say just recently?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
this rule change was made in 1996:Hits with the helmet or to the head by the defender will be flagged as personal fouls and subject to fines. This is being done to protect the offense, particularly the quarterback.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:11 PM
we can test H Town Hacker. Who was the president when you were born?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
As for Kolb, he looked like he was shedding tears when the medical staff first came out to look at DeSean.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
i’m 45. do i win “oldest commenter” award?
my initial comment about the game being “sissified” was not just about helmet-to-helmet stuff. if you look at the rules changes throughout the years you’ll see that a lot of stuff that used to be legal is now illegal. horse collars are just one recent example.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:13 PM
i’ll just man up and let you know i’m 44
and it’s amazing isn’t it that it’s been so long ago that stingley was aparalyzed, given the violence and size and speed imporvements? you;d think at least one other would have happened in almost 30 years. utley doesn;t count
i remember two concussions, one HS, one college.
/what were we typing about?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:14 PM
yikes. LBJ
October 18th, 2010 at 12:15 PM
i’m 45. do i win “oldest commenter” award?
no.
Roastbeast, why doesn’t Utley count? And there have been a few more, including the medical miracle of that Buffalo guy a few years ago. One other Lion one year got his neck broken, a Washington guy got paralyzed, too, I think.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:17 PM
Starting defense, seat at the table.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
Because the game needs more broken legs?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:18 PM
the stupidity of using yer helmet to hit is that it’s just as likely to knock you out. i come down on the side of no matter what you get paid or what you know the risks to be, hurting someone unnecessarily and then gloating is wrong. eye and morality test
you can call pussified all you want, but if there are rules, they need to be followed. spence, yer probably gone, but would eye gouging be ok, if it wasn;t specifically outlawed? spitting? punching? oooh, how bout biting?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
dirt, utley doesn;t count because he wasn;t speared with bad intent
or was he?
the memories, sometimes they come and go
October 18th, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Because the game needs more broken legs?
that was some bullshit. I think Roy Williams broke the legs of at least 4 guys in one season. It had to be made illegal. He was destroying people. That’s not pussifying, that’s a league protecting its players.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
This is the biggest issue of them all, the league has gone to great lengths to keep their quarterbacks from getting injured because it betters the league…how’s about expanding that out to the rest of your workforce?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
The reason Terrell Owens missed the Eagles run to the Super Bowl. Asshole.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:24 PM
dirt, so leading with head rule equals horse collar, yes?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:26 PM
We are pretty damn close. I can always count on jqp for sage advice.
And I’ll be 46 in January. Got the baby machine cranked up right about the time the University of Michigan handed me my degree.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:27 PM
how’s about expanding that out to the rest of your workforce?
they really have. No chop blocks, no 2nd level cut blocks, no blocks below the waist on any open field play, no crackback clips, no 3 yard rule for blocks in the back at all.
I don’t know how you legislate out the brutality. This weekend was a lot of dirty hits (and some were very intentional), but every week there’s nasty shit that’s perfectly legal. It’s hard to fix the ferocity of it.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:28 PM
so leading with head rule equals horse collar, yes?
I dont’ understand the question.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
I mostly stood on the sideline and only played during blowouts, which was every game lol. I got decleated once on a interception and once on a block. During practice I laid a couple of big hits though.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
I dont’ understand the question
you said the horse collar rule was a good one because of broken legs. so the no leading with the head rule is good to protect from broken heads, right?
just clarifying yer stance
October 18th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
so the no leading with the head rule is good to protect from broken heads, right?
definitely. You have to do something. But it’s hard to stop guys from leading with their face, or from making contact facemask to facemask. Spearing hasn’t ever been legal, but it’s now actively discouraged. The trouble is they have to go considerably further.
And there has to be a uniform official standing by to make sure helmets fit prior to games, and penalties assessed for missing mouthpieces or unstrapped chinstraps. And predator hair has to be outlawed, because it ruins a helmet’s worth.
October 18th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Here’s a problem that gets no attention…guys smartly clipping a guy on the head while he’s on the ground. That happens way too much to be a coincidence.
October 18th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
In 10 years NFL players are going to be wearing smaller helmuts that are much thinner, similar to the old leather ones they used to wear except of course much more advanced. That’s the only true way to stop guys from spearing other players.
October 18th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Harrison’s second hit was with his shoulder and not his helmet. The picture above clearly shows that.
If the majority of parents stopped allowing their children to play football, it would have a minimal effect on the product on the field at the professional level.
October 18th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
If you use a thinner helmet, guys will be getting knocked out by any blow to the head. Knees, forearms, routine falls on the ground where the player isnt able to brace himself.
October 18th, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Way late to this and I didn’t read the comments, but:
A) The hit on Cribbs may be vicious, but it was a legal hit. Furthermore, it was not “cowardly”. Its football. It’s unfortunate that Cribbs got hit in the head, but Harrison was coming in the tackle him because he was the ball carry and he was trying to get extra yards.
B) The 2nd hit could be flagged as “defenseless receiver” I guess, but Mo-Mass was bobbling the ball, still trying to make a play. It was not a situation where it was a high throw or one into the ground. Harrison lead with his shoulder pads and the receiver ducked into him. What is the defender supposed to do in this situation? Let him catch it before hitting him? Go for his knees? Allow the receiver to run into him and deliver a blow?
I am all for safety in the game, and if they change the rules to punish all helmet to helmet hits, then great. Its very tragic that these two players got injured and knocked out of the game, but this is football. This is what the NFL has been selling and marketing. It’s not a contact sport, it’s a collision sport full of violence, which the consumer enjoys. Harrison’s hits, though brutal, were in the constructs of the game, and to call them cowardly is just plain wrong. Its what he and every defensive player were taught and encouraged to do since they have been playing.
October 19th, 2010 at 1:20 PM
The NFL has ruled the hit on Cribbs legal.
Looking forward to your correction.
November 2nd, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Boo hoo.. this is football not the girlscouts. Maybe some of you crybabies want the nfl to go to flag football. As far as roethlisberger or harrison are concerned. How many super bowl rings do they have vs. How many do any of you have. Who was the youngest qb to win a super bowl? Who was league defensive mvp 2 years ago and who had the best defensive play in superbowl history. None of you were present in georgia and ben didnt get charged with anything cause he didnt do anything wrong. All that is going on here is the nfl is trying their hardest to interfere with pittsburgh being a champion team. The steelers are the best franchise in the nfl and will fight to defend their players against all this media BS. Poor little babies, did james harrison scare you. Oh it will be ok. Just stick your head back up your butts and get back to being ignorant or whatever it is you anti steeler fans do in your spare time. In the meantime, i will send you all some tissues to help wipe your whining and your tears from your face… GO STEELERS!