A Quarterback Rush Attempt is a Sack Avoided
This post isn’t specifically about Michael Vick, though it is certainly prompted by his return to prominence. One of the things that you must consider when evaluating a quarterback is the percentage of times he takes a sack. Most commentators and members of the main stream media put the blame for sacks on the offensive line. They can certainly have breakdowns that lead to specific sacks, but when we look at larger samples across an entire season, we find that sack rate belongs to a quarterback every bit as much as other measures that we generally ascribe to him, but which are also heavily influenced by teammate contribution and circumstance, such as yards per attempt and interception rate.
Last year about this time, I looked at what quarterback rate stats stayed most consistent when a quarterback changed teams, and conversely, when a team changed quarterbacks mid-season. Sack rate rated among the most consistent when a quarterback switched teams, and among the least consistent when the team switched quarterbacks. This suggests that the quarterback himself, and how quickly he processes information and senses pressure, has a lot to do with the number of sacks he takes.
Which brings us to Michael Vick. If you are going to evaluate Vick’s effectiveness, you do have to account for the sacks that he takes. So far this year, Vick has been sacked 11 times for -71 yards, leading the league in both categories. That rate is roughly in line with his career averages, as in Atlanta, he was sacked roughly 9.8% of the time. That equates to a Sack%+ score of 78 for his career, which means he is about 1.5 standard deviations worse than an average quarterback at taking sacks.
But is he really that bad at taking sacks? We think of Vick as a running quarterback, and credit his runs to the rushing yard totals. The vast majority of his runs when he is playing as the starting quarterback, though (as opposed to in a Wildcat formation) are coming out of passing plays. It is true that by traditional sack rate (which is calculated as sacks divided by pass attempts + sacks), running quarterbacks usually take an above average number of sacks. How much of that, though, is negated by the fact that a rush attempt for a running quarterback is usually a sack avoided?
Whereas a pocket passer who rarely goes past the line of scrimmage will throw the ball away, or will check it down to a back, the running quarterback will break the pocket and try to gain yards himself. If we are going to penalize him for sacks taken when he fails to get back to the line of scrimmage, we must also credit him for sacks avoided when he gets past the line of scrimmage. To try to assess the impact of failing to consider rushing plays as sacks avoided, I looked at all seasons where a quarterback rushed for 400 or more yards in a season since the merger, and looked at their sack rates.
As a group, their traditional sack rate was 8.2%, and that translates to a Sack%+ of 93 (Sack%+, like baseball statistics such as OPS+, normalizes to league average, where a score of 100 is average and 93 is below average). If we include rush attempts for the quarterback in with pass attempts though, that rate drops to 6.9%, which is pretty much league average. Now, not all rush attempts are sacks avoided (you also have kneels, sneaks, and designed draws) but the vast majority for a running quarterback are. It appears, then, that a large part of the difference between running quarterback’s sack rates and others is the failure to consider a rush attempt as a sack avoided.
In Vick’s case, if we are going to praise his highlight runs, we must recognize the negative plays. Conversely, though, we should not chide the negative without considering that the runs are also sacks avoided. [Image via Getty]

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September 29th, 2010 at 5:17 PM
David Carr
September 29th, 2010 at 5:22 PM
If you are crediting sacks avoided, you would have to include the times where QBs avoid pressure and throw it away. Some QBs are much better at that then others.
/Jamarcus was an other.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:23 PM
I just realized my error in reasoning.
/Going to sit out a series.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:23 PM
/Insert Barry Sanders dig here
September 29th, 2010 at 5:30 PM
Jim Brown never rushed for a negative yard in his career. That’s a stat, folks.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:31 PM
I mean, also, the eagles o-line sucks.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:32 PM
All I know is Dwight Freeney leads the league in pressures.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:33 PM
Great shot of QB Eagles up there. Enjoyed me some Randall.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:33 PM
hes been going atm on tackles the past few weeks
September 29th, 2010 at 5:34 PM
Randall was one of my favorites.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:35 PM
This sounds like folklore. Link?
/Would be happy to be proven wrong.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:35 PM
All I know is Dwight Freeney leads the league in pressures.
DeMarcus Ware doesn’t rush the passer every down.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:37 PM
They can certainly have breakdowns that lead to specific sacks, but when we look at larger samples across an entire season, we find that Troy Smith should never have been considered for the Heisman
See! That’s what i was going for yesterday! Ridiculous nothing
September 29th, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Jim Brown never rushed against a D-lineman that was even as big as him
Also a stat
September 29th, 2010 at 5:38 PM
Yeah if thats true, i will have an even greater appreciation for mr brown
September 29th, 2010 at 5:39 PM
Wasn’t saying Freeney’s better. Ware’s the best defensive player in the league and most disruptive. Freeney is second. He can play the run, just most of the time he’s not supposed to. But if you look at the stats, runs around left tackle against the Colts are rarely successful. They’re even doing better against draws now. Their problem is their outside linebackers are terrible.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:39 PM
sounds racist
September 29th, 2010 at 5:40 PM
But let’s cool the jets on the Peppers > Freeney talk.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:40 PM
That’s a cool Jim Brown stat for sure. I’d love to see some Jim Brown highlights on NFL Network in the near future. Maybe even a full game.
NFL Network has quickly become my favorite channel on TV since I stopped paying attention to baseball about a month ago. I love Playbook and Replay.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:41 PM
See if i can find it. Might be bullshit and bias coming from multiple old timers who have told me this. Let me see if i can find anything.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:41 PM
Was a non-Bears fan actually making this argument?
September 29th, 2010 at 5:42 PM
I bet a Carolina Panthers fan made that argument before. Haha! I’m just kidding. There’s no such thing as a Carolina Panthers fan
September 29th, 2010 at 5:42 PM
Try Sound FX. Cool show.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:43 PM
They really need to put one of those black pubey boxes over Baldinger’s finger, though.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:44 PM
I was just giving you the business on your proclamation, since I have very little to say about this Vick post.
I would have preferred to see a list of guys who get sacked at the same rate as vick, runners or not, and then had their yards lost on sacks combined with rushing yards and then combined in some way into YPA to see about efficiency.
This small sample size list of 400 yards in a season QB is tough to work with.
Or just the simple math on Vick for his career by season: Yards per attempt, career, with yards won/lost rushing/sacking added in and each counted as an attempt.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Woodley > ware > peppers > Harrison > Freeney
September 29th, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Escaping the pass rush begins and ends with Jim Druckenmiller.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:46 PM
But its true!
/if we’re talking about blocking kicks…
// James Harrison is #3 behind Ware & Freeney
September 29th, 2010 at 5:46 PM
I saw one when I went home to let my dog out during lunch yesterday. It was Steve Young. Saw the Brett Favre one about 2 weeks ago. Favre’s was hysterical. He talks so much shit to the refs and have probably almost given Mike Holmgren a heart attack no less than 15 different times.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:47 PM
I’m trying to think of recent QB’s most famous for taking sacks. David Carr, obviously. Tim Couch, for sure. Backups pressed into action like Matt Cassel.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:47 PM
There’s that verb tense problem again. I think I’m dyslexic. Or just retarded.
Probably retarded. Going to have to get this looked at.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:48 PM
The guy you beat in the Super Bowl sure loved getting sacked. Big Ben, too.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Rodgers appears to have fixed that little problem, not taking a sack on Monday with that pressure and 45 attempts was an encouraging sign
September 29th, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Also, this is a good post Lisk. We kinda threadjacked it here a bit, but I enjoyed it. It’s unique, thought provoking.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:50 PM
Bulger? Green? Bledsack?
September 29th, 2010 at 5:50 PM
I give him some serious credit. There were at least 3 times he should have been sacked an either ran or scrambled to throw the ball away.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:52 PM
Tim Couch could take one mean sack. I mean he was even cheered dearly when he was injured doing so.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Guy is surprisingly elusive for his size, build, and whiteness to be a pocket passer.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:54 PM
Brunnell? Cutler? Warner? Any Lions QB? Anyone coached by Mike Martz?
September 29th, 2010 at 5:54 PM
I could do an obstacle course quicker than he can avoid a sack
/not anymore
September 29th, 2010 at 5:55 PM
ive been saying this all along about vick. nicely done brah.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:56 PM
I remember Bernie Kosar was made fun of constantly for his immobility, but I don’t know if he took a lot of sacks because of it.
September 29th, 2010 at 5:57 PM
I would love to see something like Dirt suggested: Or just the simple math on Vick for his career by season: Yards per attempt, career, with yards won/lost rushing/sacking added in and each counted as an attempt. Even though it would somehow end up with a modern day Danny White in the top 10 of all time
September 29th, 2010 at 5:58 PM
this post was written by randall cunningham
September 29th, 2010 at 5:58 PM
I heard it. i was there, brah.
September 29th, 2010 at 6:00 PM
NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — Oklahoma has suspended receiver Jaz Reynolds indefinitely after he posted what coach Bob Stoops called “insensitive remarks” on his Twitter page about a gunman who committed suicide on the University of Texas campus.
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September 29th, 2010 at 6:01 PM
No way Jim Brown never lost yards ever. A) It doesn’t pass the smell test, and B) here’s a gamelog where he had 14 carries for 11 yards; no chance none of them were negative.
September 29th, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Don Majkowski was sacked 47 times in his one awesome season. Danny White was sacked 44 times in 1987 despite only appearing in 11 games. Steve Grogan’s best season statwise, he took 45 sacks. Jeff George was sacked 358 times in 131 games.
September 29th, 2010 at 6:02 PM
it’s a stat………. a false one.
September 29th, 2010 at 6:02 PM
Danny White was only in 11 games in ’87? Wasn’t he a strike-breaker?
September 29th, 2010 at 6:03 PM
it’s a stat………. a false one.
Great, then it’s on a level with the stat it was mocking
September 29th, 2010 at 6:05 PM
I have banged 14 chicks hotter than Jessica Alba.
/There’s a stat
//cassino
September 29th, 2010 at 6:07 PM
i have never been seen in the same place as superman
/true stat
September 29th, 2010 at 6:10 PM
Lucasfilm Ltd and Twentieth Century Fox film studio said on Wednesday they will release 3D versions of all six films to theaters starting with “Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace” in 2012.
Fuck George, don’t you have enough money?
September 29th, 2010 at 6:11 PM
Lucasfilm Ltd and Twentieth Century Fox film studio said on Wednesday they will release 3D versions of all six films to theaters starting with “Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace” in 2012.
Fuck George, don’t you have enough money?
I hate the people that will actually pay for this far more than the people profiting off of them.
September 29th, 2010 at 6:12 PM
Who wants a pizza roll?
September 29th, 2010 at 6:15 PM
I’ll go see Return of the Jedi in 3D. Probably Empire Strikes Back too. I’m a huge Star Wars nerd.
September 29th, 2010 at 6:19 PM
the original trio was thirty times better than the new trio. except for Jar Jar. he was the man
September 29th, 2010 at 10:31 PM
I would love to see something like Dirt suggested: Or just the simple math on Vick for his career by season: Yards per attempt, career, with yards won/lost rushing/sacking added in and each counted as an attempt. Even though it would somehow end up with a modern day Danny White in the top 10 of all time
I’ll add this to things to look at in the future.