David Price Tweets Outrage at the Sorry State of Tampa Attendance, Baseball Fans Divided
David Price, a Cy Young contending pitcher for the team with the best record in the American League, tweeted his displeasure last night at lack of fan support for his Tampa Rays. With the potential to clinch the AL East last night, a meager 12,446 fans showed up at the Trop. Price’s teammate, Evan Longoria, also blasted the fans. We agree wholeheartedly with Price and Longoria. Fans and the media appear divided.
Ken Davidoff, a writer at Newsday, went with the “bad form for millionaires to rip non-millionaires” angle. Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe agreed with Price and said the Rays need a new market. ESPN’s Keith Law went as far to say that 28 other fan bases would have come through with a packed house (Law attempted to make a preemptive strike about those who will blame the economy by citing some stats). A radio yokel in Tampa blasted Price, Longoria and the national media, claiming of all things that the Rays could have clinched Sunday in front of 25,000.
Here’s what we’d ask our 17 readers in lovely Tampa: Did you miss Monday Night Football, How I Met Your Mother, and Gossip Girl all to sit through a Rays-Orioles game? Yeah, yeah, we know about the magical powers of Tivo, but it’s never fun to play catch-up all week (we’re behind on Sunday and Monday night TV because of good NFL games both nights). And with so many good movies out (we’ve seen the Town and Wall Street 2 in consecutive weeks; The Social Network is this weekend), you can easily find yourself a week behind on TV if you don’t divide your time wisely. It’s never fun to go on Facebook and find friends spoiling TV shows you missed because you went to a baseball game.
While we agree with Price and Longoria, the smart move for the thrifty fan would be to save your money for two rounds of playoff tickets, which can be expensive.

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September 28th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
I thought it was an immutable law of the universe that you never miss Gossip Girl.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:18 AM
I would venture that there were more Phillies fans in DC watching them clinch last night than there were in Tampa at their home park for their potential clincher.
Florida does not need 2 MLB teams. I wonder if they even need one.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:18 AM
To be fair, it is that time of the month. Gotta give a pass to Price and Longoria here.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:19 AM
Never heard of How I Met Your Mother, but I’m guessing it’s one of those awful CBS comedies?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:19 AM
I kind of do too, but being someone that’d been going to the Metrodome for years to see baseball, I kind of don’t blame them, because Tropicana is somehow WORSE.
I think this from the previous thread is a great point too:
September 28th, 2010 at 10:19 AM
I don’t get why everyone is up in arms about this. Put the Giants in San Mateo. Put the Twins in Minnetonka. Put the Rangers in Frisco and attendance should blow there too…
September 28th, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:20 AM
TBL, you need to explain why you agree. I don’t understand where these guys are coming from. If they are that concerned with attendance, they should tell the owner to cut prices to tickets he is seeing 0 revenue for anyway.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
You’re right Miami and St. Pete are like RIGHT next to each other.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Maybe if you put them in Anoka or a place somewhat hard to get to like St. Pete is. But I get what you’re saying.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
I wrote about it in the Roundup…law of diminishing returns, it doesn’t work that way, which is why so many minor league ventures fail.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
I was watching the Bears game. Its not like St. Pete is in to Tampa.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:23 AM
nice jab at the other florida team
September 28th, 2010 at 10:23 AM
Put the Rangers in Frisco and attendance should blow there too…
The Rangers are already in bumfuck Arlington. That’s enough of a drive as is.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:23 AM
If the Rays need a new market, don’t the teams below them in attendance figures need a new market as well? I’ll patiently await suggestions for destinations for all of these teams.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:23 AM
One time I went to a Saints game in Tampa, and the Red Sox were in town to play the Rays. I tried to convince the people I was with to go to the Saturday night game. Then we found out where the park was and said “fuck it, let’s go get drunk.”
And, in the “oh by the way” department, isn’t one reason why the Florida teams were created was so that New York fans who moved down South could watch their teams 3 times a year? Are there more Yankees fans than Rays fans because of that and because Tampa is their Spring home?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
I don’t understand why they are getting upset at this now, isn’t this the way attendance has gone at the Trop the last couple years? It will be filled up for the playoff games, nobody wanted to lug out to St. Pete on a Monday.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
If the Rays need a new market, don’t the teams below them in attendance figures need a new market as well? I’ll patiently await suggestions for destinations for all of these teams.
Move the Rays to Pittsburgh after the Pirates are contracted.
/dusts off hands.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
I was going to say that having your owner publicly admit that there is a plant to blow up the team in the off season isn’t the way to win fan loyalty, but IIRC, attendance has always been an issue in Tampa.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
jeezus, why should players care? clearly it’s not affecting their performance. maybe if low attendance eventually affects their pay, but otherwise, stfu
September 28th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
I figured he was talking about Atlanta.
/cheap shot
September 28th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
In the middle of two major cities…
September 28th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
I’m sure baseball does not see a problem and solve the issue by just building another stadium to keep the team in florida that will draw just as few fans as before.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Just seems like another stupid reason for people to get upset.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
You know whats hard to get to? Foxborough.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
good God, TBL. go outside.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Contraction.
Are the Rays making money? Didn’t Deadspin steal some highly confidential team work-product that shows how much each team is making/losing?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:26 AM
If they cant sell tickets then where is their revenue coming from? If there is no revenue then how are they going to pay the players. So it does affect their pay already.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:26 AM
Like Longoria said, I think they peaked during their first playoff run in 08. Attendance was great late in that year.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
should have made this a poll. real curious if it’s a 50/50 split
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
I don’t know how he can say that with certainty. Furthermore I don’t even believe it is true. Take any team without the hardcore following on a Monday during football season when the MLB team is going to make the playoffs for sure and I doubt you get the house packed.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
In the middle of two major cities…
Exactly. It sucks. If they were in downtown Dallas, by the American Airlines Center, attendance would be higher.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
I’ll patiently await suggestions for destinations for all of these teams.
Les Expos de Montreal.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
I saw that Trey. My response was something like this: The issue isn’t ticket revenue, the issue (for the bitching players) is the emptiness of the ballpark. There is a an easy fix for that.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Sunday and Monday night TV
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Well the Pirates are below the Rays in attendance, so try again.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
That’s football. Totally different beast.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
It’s just as stupid as rooting for laundry.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Oh and who the hell would want to go watch The Social Network. Truly, Hollywood is out of ideas.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
they barely outdraw Wash/Balt yet are one of the best teams in the league. does this happen in any NBA/NFL? Good teams draw crowds. why shouldn’t they be able to blast fans? you know I’ll always take candor > silence
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
September 28th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Um, big difference in that one team is very watchable, the other is not. Try again, Lefto.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Fuck they players, they’ll find something else to pbitch about if you fix that…
September 28th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
I guess?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
TV. It’s all about the TV money. I’m sure people were watching the game on TV in between the MNF game. A reason Marlin games have no attendance, why drive out to Miami Gardens when I can watch on TV and do other stuff.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
15th in attendance. Nice assumption though.
You’re gonna contract 1/3 of the league?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
seriously?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
You know where a good place to put a team would be? Montreal.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
Which is exactly the point I was trying to make.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
That made me laugh
Funny you bring them up. Nobody had a worse ballpark at the time, but fans were still willing to see them in droves back in the early 80s and mid 90s.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
They should move the Rays to Mexico,Puerto Rico, or the DR.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
We could make it like the pre-expansion, pre-California era and put half of the teams in New York, Boston, and Philly.
I’m actually serious here. It’s not a cheap shot. They care more about baseball (apparently) and have a more rabid fan base. Let them play the season out there and then barnstorm out in the sticks in the off-season for the rest of us.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
You do know that Cincy is right above them in terms of attendance right?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Using the logic presented in the post, Pittsburgh’s a bad market, doesn’t deserve a team.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Is there honestly another market (in this economy!) that could handle adding a MLB franchise right now?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
It’s nice out, people have too much other shit to do than watch baseball games.
/cowherd
September 28th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
Are many MLB teams utilizing variable pricing strategies for their tickets?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
It’s been proven in all non-football sports, location really matters. The Cavs had attendance problems in the late 80s/early 90s despite very good teams.
The ONLY team that has ever bucked the trend is the Detroit Pistons.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
Build a nice ballpark and people could be more willing to come out, not a whole lot of fun watching a game at that dump I would imagine…the Brewers blow but drew strong crowds nearly all season, it’s a great gameday atmosphere
September 28th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Largest metro areas without a MLB team:
#23 Portland
#25 Sacramento
#27 Orlando
#28 San Antonio
#30 Las Vegas
#31 San Jose
#32 Columbus, OH
#33 Charlotte
#34 Indianapolis
#35 Austin
None of these locations outside of maybe Portland is really that appealing.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Buccaneers?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Pittsburgh really has a shitty situation. That’s a great stadium in a cool spot with a consistently steamy pile of crap on the field.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Um, big difference in that one team is very watchable, the other is not. Try again, Lefto.
Using the logic presented in the post, Pittsburgh’s a bad market, doesn’t deserve a team.
Yeah about my original post, I wasn’t being serious.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
David Fincher could direct a movie about the 2008 Lions and I’d go see it.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Just looked at the Bucs attendance during their good years and bad. When they were good, they packed the house. When they sucked, it was around 80% capacity for the season.
I know football is a different thing, but I was just curious about Tampa sports fans in general.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Here’s my solution: move the Dodgers back to New York, contract the AL down to the Yankees and Red Sox, and the NL down to the Dodgers and Phillies, and let Northeasterners jerk off all over each other.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
That never stopped the NHL, and look how successful they are!
September 28th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Are you kidding me? That sounds awesome!
September 28th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
What about them? They’re in Tampa.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Make it so! Although I’d prefer the 70s Bucs.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
The Noc List?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
I hear you, but Cincy hasn’t been good in awhile. Sometimes it takes a little time for a fan base to catch on. Tampa’s been great for 4+ years, you would think that some of those borderline fans would have gotten caught up in the fever by now.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
Baseball is like a polar bear who wears sunglasses.
/stupid Cowherd analogy #2,659
September 28th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
I posted this on the Roundup, but then the conversation moved here…
This type of pricing has started at times in different places. I think you’ll see it more and more in the next few years for those places that aren’t Yankee Stadium, Wrigley Field, and Fenway…
Tickets for when the home team plays the Yankees hould be higher than tickets against the Royals. Supply and demand.
Tickets for weekends should be higher than those during the week. Supply and demand.
Tickets for summer games should be higher than those during the early spring and early fall. Supply and demand.
The net/net of all of those prices changes could be equal to what you would have charged for straight line pricing or they could be slightly higher/lower.
The same theory exists for years with movie theatres. Matinees are cheaper than at night. Why? It’s daytime. Who wants to see a movie? For some, the price change changed behavior.
The goal is to change the fan behavior and get them to the stadium. That’s a tough sell when the team sucks. So, if they play another lousy team, then the price of that ticket should be lowered based on market value. The reverse is in effect when facing the Yankees or another team that draws well (Giants/Dodgers as a great example).
September 28th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
Yeah, I’m real tired of hearing about “non-existant” Atlanta sports fans.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
I don’t begrudge the man Alien 3. It’s not his fault. He didn’t write the scrod.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Largest metro areas without a MLB team:
Vancouver is a bigger market that most of those places.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
So? It’s not like everyone going to a Phillies game or a Red Sox game or any other major metro lives in the city limits of those areas. Is it really that hard to drive from Tampa to St. Pete? I’ve been across that bridge and I realize traffic sucks but it’s not a far distance.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
By far the best time to see a movie. Especially if you live in a metro area. The freaks, screen yellers and “Shit, homie got it in the eye!” people come out at night.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
And I’ve got no problem with what Longoria and Price said. But it doesn’t really matter – a huge chunk of the Tampa-St. Pete area are transplants who don’t have a fan affiliation with the Rays.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
The Curious Case of Rod Marinelli?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
http://kotaku.com/5649371/nba-elite-11-delayed-nba-jam-to-ship-separately-by-holidays
Looks like the new NBA game by EA Sports is going to suck.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Vancouver is a bigger market that most of those places.
Yes, Bud Selig should ask David Stern about how putting a team in Vancouver worked out. Or perhaps he can just page through his history book and read about the Expos.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Also. The Social Network could be a great movie. Dumb premise, but still a great movie. Bunch of cover judging going on in here.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
80% of Washington DC is transplants yet they show up to watch Stephen Strasburg pitch. The Rays are good. People usually show up to watch a quality product no matter their fan affiliation.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Bucs are God in Tampa but they get blacked out. In Tampas defense the economy down here has affected everything…except me. Im ballin’.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Who plays Joe Cullen? The Wendy’s scene would be incredible.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Give Chris Cooper time to work on the limp and he could pull off Rod Marinelli
September 28th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Even the New Yorker liked it.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
I won’t see Social Network because of the preview using that ridiculous goddamn version of Creep. Also because it’s a Justin Timberlake and Jew Michael Cera movie.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Strasburg hype > anybody on the Rays hype
September 28th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Yes, Bud Selig should ask David Stern about how putting a team in Vancouver worked out. Or perhaps he can just page through his history book and read about the Expos.
Grizzlies vs. Expos is not a fair comparison. Stern himself has admitted that leaving Vancouver was a mistake.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
+ 1 bottle of Ciroc Ultra Premium Vodka. Coconut.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
In Tampa’s defense aren’t they in the worst park in baseball?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
I don’t know what was more disappointing, Alien 3 or Robocop 2.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
The Rays are good. People usually show up to watch a quality product no matter their fan affiliation.
I think the original point of this post, that there is a very high quality product in Tampa (yes I know it’s actually in St. Pete), but people are NOT showing up.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
The Brewers do something like this…they charge more for games against the Cubs and Twins, calling them “Marquee Games.”
September 28th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
You have no soul.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
heard him say about a year ago that going there in the first place was a mistake
September 28th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Robocop 2 had all sorts of weird shit going on. An 11 year-old mowing people down with semi-automatic weapons. A druggie being turned into a giant robotic killing machine. But lots and lots of violence. And no PG-13, franchise-ruining rating.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Grizzlies vs. Expos is not a fair comparison. Stern himself has admitted that leaving Vancouver was a mistake.
Fine, but it’s difficult to argue against the fact that the only city in Canada which has shown it can support teams other than hockey is Toronto.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Link?
And, if true, he only regrets moving them to Memphis, where people only give a shit about murda and rap music.
/Three 6 Mafia fan
September 28th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
There are two major roads in and out. From downtown Tampa to the Trop is 22 miles. The majority of Tampa’s population lives north (carrolwood/temple terrace) and east (Brandon) of there. That puts the population base at about 30 miles away.
Dude, it’s far.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
I’ll see pretty much any movie, regardless of my own preconceptions. Shit can surprise you. Even Michael Bay made The Rock.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Haters gon’ hate.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Robocop 2. Alien 3 is at least entertaining and was alright, Robocop 2 was a big stinking turd. And Robocop 3 was even worse.
/Alien resurrection sucks too
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Irv Kirshner (he of Empire Stikes Back fame) of all people directed it. So frustrating to watch, because it starts out really good with the “Is he a man or machine?” stuff, then it totally gets dropped. The action is brain-smashingly good though.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
fly balls hitting the roof is not good for the game
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Pretty much. Maybe Oakland is worse.
I know. Which is why this is mystifying. If people will show up to watch one guy pitch every five days it makes no sense to not show up to watch a quality team play throughout the season.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
SEriously. The only thing that could possibly draw me to see that movie is that JT’s in it.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
I’ve walked up to the counter for good Braves playoff tickets on more than a few occasions. Atlanta has good football fans, but they have one of the nicest baseball stadiums, great weather, a team that is almost always in the hunt, a fanbase that needed 4 years to run Frenchy out of town and they still struggle with attendance. Their baseball fans really are pretty bad.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Move the Rays to Boise and give them a stadium with blue turf.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Sorry, TBL. There are those of us here who have kids and are basically right now living week to week to pay for them and everything else. Would we love to go to the games, yes. Can we afford it, no? Why is that so difficult to understand? Same thing with the Bucs. Plus, lots of kids here play sports year round, and that costs money.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
heard him say about a year ago that going there in the first place was a mistake
The mistake was hiring Stu Jackson as GM and drafting Reeves/Abdur-Rahim/Daniels/Bibby/Francis/Swift.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Them my kinfolk.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Yea its bad. I refuse to go there unless the Sox are playing or its the Playoffs. They have old people as ushers and you cant curse. Im not interested.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Thread. Won. Next post.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Totally disagree, I thought it a terrible mess. It looked cool at least. Robocop 2 looked cooler though.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Well you see I have a different set of standards when it comes to not being attracted to men.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Aaron Sorkin’s involvement is the only reason that I’ll see this movie.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
tiered pricing. the Magic are adopting it this year.
it’s a good strategy because the consumers (fans) will justify the higher prices based on their own expected value of the product. a game against a more win-y or more rival-y opponent provides more value to the fan and the fan will pay more.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
TBL has the worst taste ever in movies and TV. SC is trying his hardest to be just like him.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
what does whammer, former cleveland cavalier mascot, have to do with this?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
But then they make the Yankees interleague game a “package,” where you also have to buy tickets to games with the Pirates, Nationals, and D-Backs to get the tickets, and that’s where they go too far.
I remember Cincinnati did that a few years ago to Red Sox fans who planned their vacation trip around their schedule and stuck them with crap tickets they couldn’t get rid of.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Not true. Wife is from Vancouver, says the Griz were basically giving tickets away. Basketball is just not popular there.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Fine, but it’s difficult to argue against the fact that the only city in Canada which has shown it can support teams other than hockey is Toronto.
The Raptors have also put a reasonably marketable product on the floor for a couple years. Attendance in Vancouver was good, while the team was awful, and wanted when it was clear that Heisley had no intention of staying there.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Shit just got real.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Trey – It’s 46 miles for my parents to come in to the city and see a Cubs or White Sox game. They make the trip at least 5 times a year. Traffic here is probably worse, too.
If we look at the expansion era teams (Marlins, Rockies, Rays, Diamondbacks) the two teams with major attendance issues are the Marlins and Rays. The Rockies have a good fan base in Denver and I’m assuming here, but I’m pretty confident that the Diamondbacks have a fairly decent one in Phoenix.
Why people don’t attend baseball games in FL is the question.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
You know what movie sucked ass? Alien.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
I’ll buy that for a dollar.
/can’t beat the original
September 28th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Do many people have a real opinion on this? This is some forced shit. Tampa has big tv ratings if that means anything.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Link?
And, if true, he only regrets moving them to Memphis, where people only give a shit about murda and rap music.
He said it on a Simmon’s podcast a year or so age.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
My boyfriend works with Nelly’s first cousin.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
The Mets have been doing this for awhile too. It’s a crying shame when your own product can’t sell itself.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Lol… I smell preening.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Huh?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
by the way, college football has been doing this for years and been rather successful with it.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
I know. Which is why this is mystifying. If people will show up to watch one guy pitch every five days it makes no sense to not show up to watch a quality team play throughout the season
And yet witness the Tropicana emptiness. I don’t buy the downturn in the economy or having a piss poor stadium either. The location of the team is in St. Petersburg and people in Tampa are not interested enough in baseball to make a trek there to see something they can watch on TV.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Trey, please explain.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Compared to Aliens, yeah probably. Objectively on its own? No way.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
The only thing I remember about Robocop 2 was the dude that got turned into a robot whipping out his robothood for his old lady.
Solid movie.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
You guys realize that the Stern quotes saying he regrets leaving and that maybe they shouldn’t have gone there ARE FROM THE SAME FUCKING INTERVIEW right?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Not true. Wife is from Vancouver, says the Griz were basically giving tickets away. Basketball is just not popular there.
I lived there and had tickets – for a team whose best season was 23-59 the fan support was decent.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
I, too, have walked up and bought good tickets before the game. Could it be better? Yes. But drawing nearly 30K per home game isn’t terrible and not nearly as bad as a lot of people make it out to be.
This makes a lot of sense and I believe it to be true. But why is it that Tigers fans show up in droves? Nearly 31K a night at Comerica Park, 75% capacity.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
I didn’t literally mean that. It was a line from this awesome ass song. But for real?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
The Raptors have also put a reasonably marketable product on the floor for a couple years. Attendance in Vancouver was good, while the team was awful, and wanted when it was clear that Heisley had no intention of staying there.
Sorry, Canada had its baseball chance and blew it. You’ll all just have to get behind the Blue Jays.
/back on point.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Drawing a whopping 2,476 more than the Rays, on average. They’re 20th in the league in average attendance.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
One more comment on The Social Network: based on the previews I’ve seen, it’s not a Facebook biopic. It looks like it’s supposed to be Fincher and Sorkin’s metaphor for “Bush Era” greed. Take from that statement what you will.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
lol.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Florida is just a bad pro baseball state, and generally a bad pro sports state as well (aside from the Magic).
But shame on the players for getting mad at the fans – shouldn’t they know they want to watch Dancing with the Stars and Gossip Girl? Those Neanderthals know nothing about culture.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Though to be fair I wouldn’t see a movie just because a hot chick was in it. That’s what pornography is for. Why the fuck would I pay ten bucks just to see someone good looking?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Avoiding Devils Night?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
The White Sox do this. It’s impossible to get tickets for Cubs-Sox or Yankees-White Sox without having to pick up a fucking Royals, Indians or Twins game.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
To be fair to Florida, it’s tough finding transportation to and from the Retirement Centers to the ballpark every night.
/Blue hair’d
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Sorry, Canada had its baseball chance and blew it. You’ll all just have to get behind the Blue Jays.
Fuck Toronto.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
only if you consider your product to be the home team and not the actual game on the field. otherwise, you’d just have intra-squad scrimmages all the time. the product is the game on the field. the home team adds a certain amount of value to the ticket (historic and present success changes this value) and the away team adds another amount of value (rivalry, success, star power of visiting players, etc. increase value).
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Or this one. Fuck you Vevo.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
The Bullets were doing this back in the early 90′s.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
This. Braves fans are terrible.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Fuck Toronto.
+1, that made me laugh.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Yep!
September 28th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Aaand what about when they were good?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Detroit Tigers, right? it’s cause they’re all on welfare and they have extra drug money cash to spend!
/burn
September 28th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
FOR YOU!
Dude, there are about 3 million people within a few miles of Wrigley and US Cellular. AND you have public transportation.
Compare that to St. Pete. 250,000. On a peninsula. TWO major roads in and out.
My comparison to your remark, I drove the hour and half from Orlando a few times a game, does the majority of the Rays fans that make it do that? No…
September 28th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
That’s pretty sweet.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
That’s ~220,000 more people per season. For a team that hasn’t contended since 2008.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
No. This is only true if you believe your own team is not enough of a draw to get asses in the seats.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
I prefer teams that keep the prices the same but give me a bobblehead or t-shirt if I go to the Royals game.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Both ballparks are in the middle of fucking nowhere. That is why.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
You rang?
How’s life at the outpost? Are you still getting sunlight up there?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Joe Robbie stadium is a pain in the ass to get to and in the middle of goddamn nowhere. And a hole.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Three 6 Mafia them my kinfolks
So when I’m, in Memphis, Tennekee
I just might not bring my own cause them N***** there
Let me smoke for free
September 28th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Marlins are fixing that. Tampa can’t. I remember irish linking something that the lease on the Trop goes for another 15 years or something absurd like that.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Both ballparks are in the middle of fucking nowhere. That is why.
that’s not the excuse for the Marlins. It’s just that the fans suck here as much as they do in Tampa
September 28th, 2010 at 10:57 AM
falsetastic. this is archaic thinking and precisely why teams lose money on attendance.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
they play in auburn hills not detroit. cavs used to play in richfield. rays play in st pete. all a good 1/2 hour from the big city.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
How’s life at the outpost? Are you still getting sunlight up there?
Ha, well we are nearing the time of year when it is dark when you get to work and dark when you leave. Thankfully I have a window and there is no snow yet.
/I stand by previous comment re: Toronto
September 28th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
So what your saying is that the area can’t support a baseball team?
September 28th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Also worth noting is that they filled a smaller percentage of their stadium this year than the Rays.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
The Devils’ stadium is in a nice part of town.
September 28th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Joe Robbie stadium is a pain in the ass to get to and in the middle of goddamn nowhere. And a hole.
it a perfect location for the fans in Broward and Palm Beach to get to. They are now moving it to a REAL fucking hole where no one from Broward or Palm Beach will go (extra 30 minute drive in traffic to a worse area of Miami, at night), and the Cubans will come up with excuse #5,341,875 why they won’t attend Marlins games, when they are being played in Little Havana
September 28th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Horseshit. By the Mets raising the prices for Yankees and Phillies games, they are admitting that their own product blows goats.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
It just seems like it is many things. Too many Yankee, Boston fans here. I mean, next to Ray-Jay is a big ass billboard with all the goddamn Yankee championships on it. The Trop sucks, bad location and at least with us and most people I know there is just not the money or time.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
Again… good team vs. bad team. Arizona is putting people in the seats for a team that has been near the bottom of the division and traded away Dan Haren while Brandon Webb has been on the DL.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:01 AM
NDub: New Kanye… a nasty lineup guests on this one.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
I don’t need to see increased ticket prices for premium games to know that the baseball product put forth by the Metropolitans blows goats.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
You know what movie sucked ass? Alien.
this is not right. Alien is just a tremendous ensemble horror movie. You couldn’t get a better cast, and it’s one of the scariest movies ever.
Aliens 2 is a monster movie. Alien is a horror movie.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Baseball games are fun.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
who the fuck is hating on alien?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
Your point was that they have a good fanbase. Bottom third attendance would seem to prove otherwise.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
That’s a good point. Really not fair to compare the two, but I still think Aliens is the better movie. Except for the cutting out of the part where she freaks out about her daughter being dead.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
If I didn’t know any better I’d say the goal of professional sports was to make money…just because the Yankees price their seats with every game being a “marquee” matchup doesn’t mean other teams should be mocked
September 28th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
St. Pete? No. Tampa? Yes.
And is located smack in the middle of a metro population of 2+ million people…not on the outskirts.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Ha. Well my point is that the successful teams making tons of money don’t need to stoop to the level of selling the opposition. It’s pathetic.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
who the fuck is hating on alien?
i’m going to guess some guy that saw 8 ripoffs of it before they saw the original.
Without even imdb-ing, I can name 6 awesome cast members. For fuck’s sake, John Hurt is the guy who gets alien-ed. He played the elephant man.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
It’s cool. I can’t really hate Edmonton too much. The other major city in Alberta is a different story.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
ummmm. no. this is a direct contradiction of pricing principles in marketing. the marketing department is leaving money on the table if they aren’t charging more for Mets-Phillies games than they are for Mets-Natinals games.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
In 2002 the Dbacks were 4th in attendance. In 2003, 8th. Once again, this is about GOOD teams not getting attendance.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
And is located smack in the middle of a metro population of 2+ million people…not on the outskirts.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
I’m sure that the 500 million people who use Facebook have zero interest in it.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
That’s a good point. Really not fair to compare the two, but I still think Aliens is the better movie. Except for the cutting out of the part where she freaks out about her daughter being dead.
I gotta tell you, you’re wrong. Alien is among the finest, most original movies ever made.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
I think Interleague has hurt attendance and perception for the teams who don’t play on the East Coast, California, or don’t have a natural geographical rival. Take the Rangers or Royals, for example. The reality of Interleague is that they lose a bankable series each year with teams like the Yankees and Red Sox, and they get replaced with shit teams. Sure they might get a series with the Cardinals or the Astros, but the Astros aren’t going to draw shit, even in Arlington, when they are in last place.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
It would prove that the Diamondbacks have been struggling. What does bottom third attendance prove about the Rays?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Listen, I’m sorry, I know they made that movie for next to nothing but the alien looks like a guy in gym shorts, it ruins it for me. Face hugger does it’s best to redeem, but the suspense is top fucking notch.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
I’m sure that the 500 million people who use Facebook have zero interest in it.
is there a picture of my son eating a whoopie pie in it? Because that’s all i use facebook for. No, then pass.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
When you’re using this practice it also means your product is probably dying a slow death. Very true in the Mets case.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
The other major city in Alberta is a different story.
This we can agree on. I hope they keep Sutter on a GM for a while longer so he can continue pile driving that team into the ground.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Cheese and rice, can people at least watch the fucking movie first?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
The movie isn’t about using Facebook, you know.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Listen, I’m sorry, I know they made that movie for next to nothing but the alien looks like a guy in gym shorts, it ruins it for me. Face hugger does it’s best to redeem, but the suspense is top fucking notch.
in the future, I’ll value your opinion regarding movies slightly less.
Seriously, Sigourney Weaver, Tom Skeritt, Ian Holm, John Hurt, Yaphet Kotto, Harry Dean Stanton and some random lady. That’s the cast. And a poorly made monster. And it’s terrifying.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
The movie isn’t about using Facebook, you know.
I’ll email you the pictures. The kid just goes to town on a whoopie pie. They should have used them.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:11 AM
So we can use mitigating factors to explain poor attendance in some cases, but not in others. Got it. Still waiting on where you’d move all of these teams with poor attendance.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Ian Holm as the – SPOILER ALERT – android doctor really stole the show. Creepy as hell.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
South Park did an episode about Facebook a few months ago and we all know how out of touch with what interests people they are.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Well, if it’s because they are on the outskirts of town and people don’t want to travel from Tampa, that’s not getting fixed. Good thing we don’t have to care about them next year when they finish 4th in the division after blowing up the team.
People won’t be paying attention to what David Price and Evan Longoria are tweeting then.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
The cast is great, the suspense is great, but once you see the alien, it’s like if Predator had been made with the original predator that was orange, just ridiculous to look at.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
About the marquee game prices: Bill Simmons proved they dont even give a shit about watching the Red Sox. They had more pink hat fans at that dump than Rays fans.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
I was responded to cornholio, but I’m in!
September 28th, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Ha. You know what else I use? Microsoft. Not really interested in seeing a movie about how Bill Gates made bagillions of dollars.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
jesus. Maybe the adults should talk for awhile.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Yeah, the business people can always justify it, but it still pisses off the core consumer. All the sports people are doing that. If I still lived in a baseball market, I’d have finally reached the point where I’d say “eat shit” if they wanted to charge $75 for a $50 ticket to a Yankees game. Yeah, I know some some dickhead non-baseball fan who worships A-Rod might buy the ticket just to say he went, but he’s not the guy they’re gonna come back to to buy the tickets to the Royals game. They’re coming back to me, and if they won’t let me buy the Yankees ticket at full price, I’ll be damned if I buy the Royals ticket at any price.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Damn man, I think the Orioles will make a strong run for 4th place next year
September 28th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
all products are fighting a slow death. it’s called commoditization. in sports, one way to avoid commoditization is to have intense history and emotional attachment attached to your team (Yankees, Cowboys, Fuckeyes, etc.). when you’re the Mets and you’ve been mediocre-to-bad for years, you’re fighting commoditization. one way to reduce losses/increase profits is to price tickets based on expected value to the customer…that means changing ticket prices for different situations, and not just for the location of the seat in the stands.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:15 AM
the Pirates of Silicon Valley is actually a pretty good movie
September 28th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
The cast is great, the suspense is great, but once you see the alien, it’s like if Predator had been made with the original predator that was orange, just ridiculous to look at.
you have to imagine that when you first see the alien, you haven’t seen the predator, nor have you seen ewoks or any of that shit. It’s a shoestring budget middle 70′s horror movie. They didn’t have 100 million to make a cgi monster. They (apparently) had about 80 bucks. And yet, the monster isn’t the horror till the very end. The suspense is the monster.
It’s truly great. I’ve seen it again (10th time) within the past year. Yaphet fucking Kotto, man.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
I demand a movie about Belkin keyboards.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
September 28th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
…which is kinda why they’re pushing for a new stadium in Tampa, and told St. Pete no…
September 28th, 2010 at 11:16 AM
You are one person out of billions who live on this planet.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:17 AM
You know what else nobody cares about? The sorry ass Cubs, and their 5th place finish at a cool 16 games under .500. But they’re seventh in the league in attendance! Conclusion: Cubs fans are retards.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
Oooh burn. So are you.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
You… nevermind. Not even worth my time.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
They made a movie about it already, The Pirates Of Silicone Valley and it was really good. These movies are not just about business deals.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Fair enough, I probably would have liked it better had I not been born in 83.
I watched Aliens again this weekend, still love it. Except the milk coming out of Lance Henrickson at the end.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:20 AM
No one will argue that.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:20 AM
Keep waiting, because I burn strawmen, I don’t respond to them.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
There’s already been a TNT movie about Microsoft. It was called “Pirates of Silicon Valley.” It was about the relationship between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. It’s actually an interesting story, but the movie wasn’t so great.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
But you know what I really want to see, the 9,342,674th movie about shit blowing up everywhere. That would be awesome. Can never go wrong with those. An original, based on real life events movie set in modern times about one of the biggest social phenomenons ever. With a kick ass writer and kick ass director. Yeah, fuck that noise.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
That or it’s a fun place to see a ballgame with a great surrounding neighborhood.
You people are full of piss and vinegar.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
And Cornholio beats me to it.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
hey everyone, did you hear there was a movie called Pirates of Silicon Valley?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Someone again tell me about Pirates of Silicon Valley. Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates and Noah Wyle as Steve Jobs? That sounds fantastically awful. But youre right, maybe Im underestimating the amount of computer geeks out there.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
Which spins around a giant ball of fire, preposterously lucky enough to develop life to this extent, one star out of countless billions…
/looks up, squints, and puts back of hand to forehead
//stares wistfully at the moon
September 28th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
Aliens is pure James Cameron awesomeness. I love how Ebert gave it a somewhat negative review because the relentless action was too much for him.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:23 AM
But you know what I really want to see, the 9,342,674th movie about shit blowing up everywhere.
I too am excited for Transformers 3.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Translation, Wrigley is a shithole full of anal goblins.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
HA!
Just got this tweeted. Heat ticket prices for every game in every seat this year. Variable ticket pricing, which they have used for a while
http://www.miamiheattix.com/november
September 28th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Are you seriously questioning their movie taste when you said you would see a movie strictly because Timberlake was in it?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
CGI and Jerry Bruckheimer destroyed movies. Just because you can show people dodging bullets and jumping into and out of cars going 70 mph doesn’t mean you have to put it your stupid movies.
/get out of my yard
September 28th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
You wanna know what a stupid idea for a movie is Moneyball. A guy sits in his office doing math problems. Fascinating.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:24 AM
I asked in the Roundup if all teams with poor attendance should be moved, you said they should. I asked where the cutoff would be, you danced around it by saying that the Rays are closer to it than not. I then offered a suggestion of moving the bottom ten teams, and nobody has, as of yet, come up with viable plan to move these ten teams to better markets. MikeNYC offered contraction as an option, but didn’t specify how many teams or which ones would be contracted. Let’s try to be solution oriented here. If the Rays need to be moved, where should they go? And, while we’re here, why not move other low attendance teams?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:25 AM
But you know what I really want to see, the 9,342,674th movie about shit blowing up everywhere. That would be awesome. Can never go wrong with those. An original, based on real life events movie set in modern times about one of the biggest social phenomenons ever. With a kick ass writer and kick ass director. Yeah, fuck that noise.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:26 AM
There’s no money to be made on Iraq movies. None.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
Who says you move them anywhere? Why not contract them as baseball should’ve done several years ago? Seriously, if the Rays sent out a press release saying they were courting cities to move to from Tampa today, how many would be interested? Very few, I’d argue. Very few civic leaders would want to rush to their constituents to argue for a tax-increase to build a stadium to bring in an MLB club (Of all sport franchises, baseball is the lowest in the ‘Give a shit’ about having a team or not. Every town with one stoplight at least has a single-A affiliate these days). Further, who wants to bring in an ownership group that has only shown one constant – the constant inability to spend any money.
Take away revenue sharing in baseball and force the Rays, Pirates, Marlins, Padres, etc., to be responsible for their own finances and how many teams would fold tomorrow? At least five and perhaps double digits.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
But youre only one man! Out of billions!
/that movie also sounds incredibly dull
September 28th, 2010 at 11:28 AM
you dont think so? I guess i care too much
September 28th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Why the fuck would anyone want to see Glengarry Glen Ross and watch a real estate brokers? Oh because it’s a good story?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:29 AM
This. So much this. He was so good they made a white Italian homicide shift commander black. That’s pretty damn good. Al Giardella!
September 28th, 2010 at 11:30 AM
Because its motherfucking Al Pacino as fucking Richard Roma. You fairy. You company man.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Almost as mind-numbingly boring as watching a sitcom about waiting for a table at a Chinese restaurant or getting on a subway car.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:32 AM
The pubic is reluctant to see movies about a current war. Green Zone was a failure, Hurt Locker couldn’t get picked up, Kingdom barely broke even, biggest success was probably Body of Lies and it was set in Jordan.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:32 AM
/cues up Dennis Hopper’s history lesson to Christopher Walken in True Romance
September 28th, 2010 at 11:34 AM
You’re gonna contract 1/3 of Major League Baseball teams? Ok. Good luck losing that battle against the most powerful union in sports. I won’t even address your revenue sharing ideas, but I will ask, what should be done with all of the revenue from digital media? You know, the money MLB makes from MLB.tv, the Extra Innings package, the MLB Network, all of that stuff. Where should that money go?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
God, what a great scene. I don’t really like Tony Scott, but he did pretty good with that one.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:37 AM
I think my biggest issue with Social Network is the usage of “THE facebook” in the trailer. My mom calls it that. Sounds awkward. I mean really a corporate espionage story amongst college students is interesting but the cast just seems incredibly irritating. Just cast Jeremy Piven as a college student again.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
God, what a great scene. I don’t really like Tony Scott, but he did pretty good with that one.
the best part of that movie is when you see an unexploded blood bag on the black cop at the end of the final massacre gun fight scene, and it is just right there, and the actor is holding his tummy like he’s been shot, but he’s mainly covering the blood bag, trying to pop it with pressure.
But they couldn’t reshoot it, all the couches were destroyed.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:38 AM
But thats what it was called for years, before it got all popular and the news feed thing started. You had to type in “the” in the web address. Those were the days.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:39 AM
I did?
What I recall saying is I don’t know or care, but if there is one, 22 is alot closer to 30th than first. As if there has to be a cutoff. Just because I didn’t call out your fallacious premise doesn’t mean I didn’t recognize it.
(1) as addressed at least twice previously, where to move the team has nothing to do with the lack of support of the Rays from the fans in the park, and THATS what this discussion was about. (2) None of the other teams you’ve mentioned are vying for the best record in the American League. Even Cincinnati has experienced a recent spike in attendance. You can’t be solution oriented when you’re more interested in proving points by introducing strawmen than you are in debating the facts in front of you.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:40 AM
Yeah I know it just sounds so strange now. I remember the rolling release of it to schools, good times good times.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:43 AM
I think my biggest issue with Social Network is the usage of “THE facebook” in the trailer. My mom calls it that. Sounds awkward
that’s how I feel when I read Duffy’s WC previews
/”France are….’d”
September 28th, 2010 at 11:48 AM
Gay’d?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I’m assuming when you replied “wouldn’t you”, that was a rhetorical question indicating that teams with poor attendance should be relocated.
Well, there has to be a cutoff, or you’re moving every team. So, there is a point below which some teams would get moved, and above which teams would stay. Unless you’re randomly moving teams, which doesn’t make much sense at all.
They’re barely outdrawing the Rays. They’re 21st in average league attendance.
Who’s debating that the Rays have poor attendance? They do. So does Cincinnati and about 8 other teams. The magic bullet to solve this all is what exactly?
September 28th, 2010 at 11:51 AM
I’m not a lawyer, but this seems pretty common sense: To be the most powerful union in the world, you have to have something people give a shit about. Nobody gives a shit about baseball. Therefore, the Union can trump how powerful they are, but if ratings tank, fans quit attending and owners go belly-up, how powerful are you really? Baseball has yet to figure this out, but it’s gonna be really ugly when they do.
As for MLB TV, etc., I’m not an economist and don’t pretend to be one. But you don’t have to be to realize why baseball is failing. It’s the simple fact that the Yankees can spend 200 million because they can afford it, and the Rays can only spend X million. Fans get annoyed with what they perceive to be unfairly written rules. Why spend money to buy season tickets, become fans of David Price and Evan Longoria, only to know they’re gone in a few years because you can’t afford them.
It’s one thing to do things the way the NFL does it, where by and large players aren’t retained because the team doesn’t see the value. Fans can understand that, and place trust in the execs to make the proper decisions. Fans do not understand, nor really should they have to, the whole “we can’t afford it” situation, which occurs so much more in baseball than any other professional sport.
September 28th, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Pay the fans to attend. It worked for WCW. Wait, no it didn’t.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:03 PM
haha that really happened?
September 28th, 2010 at 2:43 PM
Dear dikembemutomballs,
You labor under the misapprehension that baseball isn’t making a fuck ton load of money. They are. Thanks for playing.
Yours Truly, TST